City Harvest Church Discussion - Kong Hee & Sun Ho (Compiled)

[Guest Guest]

I can't believe there are still people here trying to defend her using the god and chc thing. Dude, to quote from an amazingly written blog:

 

http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/09/19/an-insightful-analysis-to-the-chc-system-part-5/

 

"Assuming that God indeed made the decision to choose Sun Ho as the vehicle for the Crossover, then how much money do you think, God would need to help her to make a breakthrough on the U.S. pop music scene? Considering that God is almighty and can do anything, He would certainly help her through signs and wonders. It does not mean that Sun Ho would not have to work hard to succeed, but God could and would open doors miraculously at critical times. However from what we can observe in Sun Ho’s case, it seems unfortunately that 7 years of trying very hard with 3 different top producers and spending at least SGD 24 millions  were NOT enough to succeed… Shouldn’t that raise some serious questions about whether God was really supporting this project?"

 

"...Pastor Kong Hee and Sun Ho claimed that they had to “sacrifice” their family life in Singapore to obey God’s command. However when we look more closely at the facts, we can observe that Sun Ho was enjoying the “super star” lifestyle, hiring renowned producers and top choreographers, getting large advance bonuses, living in a SGD 28,000 a month luxury mansion in a plush Hollywood district, buying clothes from top fashion designers, being served  by a large entourage of helpers (primarily members from the church) and participating in A-list events with other socialites. In short, she was the main beneficiary of the Crossover project and its fundings. Furthermore Sun Ho brought her family along with her in L.A., giving them the opportunity to enjoy those benefits as well. Finally Pastor Kong Hee himself also moved to the U.S. to be with his family and enjoyed the same luxury socialites lifestyle. He even charged quietly his business class traveling expenses to the Church ($700,000 according to information revealed during the trial). So when a sacrifice comes with so many benefits, we may wonder whether it is still a sacrifice.."

 

Makes sense?

 

Please stop criticising Sun Ho already, she is not the cheat you make her out to be, enough is enough.

[azimuth]

How come their case suddenly silence?

What's is the sentence now?

Court adjourned to a much later date.

[Steve5380]

The house of Satan is burdened with debt. If we assume there are 15,000 dumb fucks still donating evry month, then each of them have to donate $200 a month just to pay the interest, rental and operating cost plus salaries. The church has to start cutting wages and staff to survive. Church has just taken Glory capital Loan to fund Suntec. If CHC wants to redeem the loan, then each dumbass has to contribute $3,000 to keep the church alive. Kong Hee and sun expense alone used to cost each member $300 per month. If all 6 are convicted, they have to pay cost to the State of an equivalent amount of $5 mio at least and restitution of $24 mio back to the church. This is on top of $8 mio legal which has already been collected from dumb supporters and already deposited wthe lawyers. The loan will likely go into default in 6 months and the Church will collapse close to the verdict of Kong Hee. The finances are in bad shape. Kong will not be able to ay the $17 k for the sentosa cove unless the Hanafi can come up with the money every month which i think is tough as he is also in dome kind of tight cashflow. As for Kong hee 's prime apartments I think he is unloading it to the market before the state seize his assets for not being able to pay. Both Sun and kong will not be able to run any church in singapore, they will ave to seek greener pastures in taiwan, malaysia or china. Looks like they might go china to start afresh and con the mainland chinese. 

 

Your characterization as "house of Satan" is so fitting!  I hope you are right and they go broke.  But not before the law catches up with the crooks and puts them in jail.  This should be the purpose of jail,  to separate the scum they are from the rest of society as a protection against their deceptions. 

 

If they are able to seek greener pastures elsewhere, there will be more victims.   It is hard to believe in some divinity when we don't see the ire of a God fall on the Kong Hee and his cronies.

[Blacque]

Exactly, I do strongly believe they are just trying to use evangelism to cover up their dirty deeds. Then again, this is coming from an atheist. Haha

 

In fact, people from all religions have a say in it. 

[bob24246]

anybody knows? News blackout

[Guest guest]

Sun Ho recently.claimed in court that her music touched and impacted Jay Chou, FIR and other taiwanese artistes. So should Jay's wife thank her for the grand church wedding?

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/sun-ho-even-jay-chou-was-touched-my-music

 

This one can read with a laugh...."50% real news"....

http://newnation.sg/2015/05/jay-chou-became-highly-religious-after-sun-ho-inspired-him-with-her-crossover-music/

[Guest Neng Tua Liap]

Sun Ho recently.claimed in court that her music touched and impacted Jay Chou, FIR and other taiwanese artistes. So should Jay's wife thank her for the grand church wedding?

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/sun-ho-even-jay-chou-was-touched-my-music

This one can read with a laugh...."50% real news"....

http://newnation.sg/2015/05/jay-chou-became-highly-religious-after-sun-ho-inspired-him-with-her-crossover-music/

This 50% real news is even funnier

http://newnation.sg/2012/07/sun-hos-china-wine-saved-at-least-two-souls-since-2007/

[Guest Guest]

I can understand if well known HK singer , Sammi Cheng or Tracy Huang to release a gospel album to reach out to a group of listeners but an unknown Sun Ho to use so much money to create such album to create an awareness internationally is beyond most to comprehend !

[Guest Guest]

Sun is a multi-platinum and Billboard-charting international superstar.  

 

She first captured the attention of the United States with her 2003 English-language single, Where Did Love Go, which topped the Billboard Club Play Hit Breakout Charts, beating Madonna and Kelly Clarkson.

 

Over a 3 year period to 2006, her dance singles One With You, Without Love, Ends of the Earth and Gone piled up successively at the top of the Billboard Dance Charts, making her the first Asian singer to top the Billboard Charts.  Her hits have also gained international traction, with airtime on radio in locations such as Los Angeles, Miami and Haiti.

 

She has worked with renowned producers including Wyclef Jean, David Foster, Olivia Newton-John, Danja, Rodney Jerkins, Tony Moran and Chris Cox.  

 

Back in Asia, after working with luminaries such as band FIR, singer Milk, dance maestro Tan Han Jin, lyricist Ma Yufen, the late Taiwanese producer legend Ma Zhaojun and top Singaporean composer Lee Wei-song, she was officially crowned Taiwan's bestselling singer in 2007 (with 4 million albums sold), and in 2008, became the first foreigner to open the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

 

A committed humanitarian, she has also dedicated royalties from the sale of her albums and singles to building schools in China (Henan and Guizhou province).  In 2008, she assisted in the Aceh earthquake relief efforts, and in 2009, she set up a charity fund in Haiti to assist hydrocephalus patients.

 

For more information, please contact Sun at sun@cityharvest.com.sg.

[Guest Lol]

Sun is a multi-platinum and Billboard-charting international superstar.

She first captured the attention of the United States with her 2003 English-language single, Where Did Love Go, which topped the Billboard Club Play Hit Breakout Charts, beating Madonna and Kelly Clarkson.

Over a 3 year period to 2006, her dance singles One With You, Without Love, Ends of the Earth and Gone piled up successively at the top of the Billboard Dance Charts, making her the first Asian singer to top the Billboard Charts. Her hits have also gained international traction, with airtime on radio in locations such as Los Angeles, Miami and Haiti.

She has worked with renowned producers including Wyclef Jean, David Foster, Olivia Newton-John, Danja, Rodney Jerkins, Tony Moran and Chris Cox.

Back in Asia, after working with luminaries such as band FIR, singer Milk, dance maestro Tan Han Jin, lyricist Ma Yufen, the late Taiwanese producer legend Ma Zhaojun and top Singaporean composer Lee Wei-song, she was officially crowned Taiwan's bestselling singer in 2007 (with 4 million albums sold), and in 2008, became the first foreigner to open the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

A committed humanitarian, she has also dedicated royalties from the sale of her albums and singles to building schools in China (Henan and Guizhou province). In 2008, she assisted in the Aceh earthquake relief efforts, and in 2009, she set up a charity fund in Haiti to assist hydrocephalus patients.

For more information, please contact Sun at sun@cityharvest.com.sg.

[Guest Guest]

Sun is a multi-platinum and Billboard-charting international superstar.

She first captured the attention of the United States with her 2003 English-language single, Where Did Love Go, which topped the Billboard Club Play Hit Breakout Charts, beating Madonna and Kelly Clarkson.

Over a 3 year period to 2006, her dance singles One With You, Without Love, Ends of the Earth and Gone piled up successively at the top of the Billboard Dance Charts, making her the first Asian singer to top the Billboard Charts. Her hits have also gained international traction, with airtime on radio in locations such as Los Angeles, Miami and Haiti.

She has worked with renowned producers including Wyclef Jean, David Foster, Olivia Newton-John, Danja, Rodney Jerkins, Tony Moran and Chris Cox.

Back in Asia, after working with luminaries such as band FIR, singer Milk, dance maestro Tan Han Jin, lyricist Ma Yufen, the late Taiwanese producer legend Ma Zhaojun and top Singaporean composer Lee Wei-song, she was officially crowned Taiwan's bestselling singer in 2007 (with 4 million albums sold), and in 2008, became the first foreigner to open the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

A committed humanitarian, she has also dedicated royalties from the sale of her albums and singles to building schools in China (Henan and Guizhou province). In 2008, she assisted in the Aceh earthquake relief efforts, and in 2009, she set up a charity fund in Haiti to assist hydrocephalus patients.

For more information, please contact Sun at sun@cityharvest.com.sg.

If I contribute lots of money for their charity cause or just lots of money , I can work with any of these artist too these days !

[Guest Guest]

If I contribute lots of money for their charity cause or just lots of money , I can work with any of these artist too these days !

Talk is cheap, in fact talking is free LOL.

Do first then say hor.

[Guest Guest]

Cheat. Corruption. Real ethical actions more important than just mere talk and mere worship.

[Guest guest]

If I contribute lots of money for their charity cause or just lots of money , I can work with any of these artist too these days !

You can do MORE!!!!!

[Guest Guest]

Cheat. Corruption. Real ethical actions more important than just mere talk and mere worship.

 

She's not been charged or convicted.  Remember, under Singapore law, you are innocent until proven guilty.  So what's with all these unwarranted namecalling of Sun Ho?

[Guest Guest]

Talk is cheap, in fact talking is free LOL.

Do first then say hor.

Sun Ho did already , you think the artistes she worked with know or care who she is ?!

[Anderson]

She's not been charged or convicted.  Remember, under Singapore law, you are innocent until proven guilty.  So what's with all these unwarranted namecalling of Sun Ho?

 

She is really innocent because her intelligence is only about a 4 years old child, the most 5.

In court, she said she don't know actually many of her albums were sold, don't know how her expensive singing career was being bankrolled, don't know who paid for the bunglow she stayed, don't know, don't know, don't know............

Maybe she thought every night after her prayer, money just filled into her bags and lots of it.

Her biggest regret probably was missing some prayers because so busy, otherwise even more money.

[Guest Guest]

She is really innocent because her intelligence is only about a 4 years old child, the most 5.

In court, she said she don't know actually many of her albums were sold, don't know how her expensive singing career was being bankrolled, don't know who paid for the bunglow she stayed, don't know, don't know, don't know............

Maybe she thought every night after her prayer, money just filled into her bags and lots of it.

Her biggest regret probably was missing some prayers because so busy, otherwise even more money.

Lol!!

[Guest SUN]

Sun is a multi-platinum and Billboard-charting international superstar.

She first captured the attention of the United States with her 2003 English-language single, Where Did Love Go, which topped the Billboard Club Play Hit Breakout Charts, beating Madonna and Kelly Clarkson.

Over a 3 year period to 2006, her dance singles One With You, Without Love, Ends of the Earth and Gone piled up successively at the top of the Billboard Dance Charts, making her the first Asian singer to top the Billboard Charts. Her hits have also gained international traction, with airtime on radio in locations such as Los Angeles, Miami and Haiti.

She has worked with renowned producers including Wyclef Jean, David Foster, Olivia Newton-John, Danja, Rodney Jerkins, Tony Moran and Chris Cox.

Back in Asia, after working with luminaries such as band FIR, singer Milk, dance maestro Tan Han Jin, lyricist Ma Yufen, the late Taiwanese producer legend Ma Zhaojun and top Singaporean composer Lee Wei-song, she was officially crowned Taiwan's bestselling singer in 2007 (with 4 million albums sold), and in 2008, became the first foreigner to open the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

A committed humanitarian, she has also dedicated royalties from the sale of her albums and singles to building schools in China (Henan and Guizhou province). In 2008, she assisted in the Aceh earthquake relief efforts, and in 2009, she set up a charity fund in Haiti to assist hydrocephalus patients.

For more information, please contact Sun at sun@cityharvest.com.sg.

何耀珊是华人之光，勇闯好莱坞，荣登美国告示牌排行榜!

[Guest Guest]

She is really innocent because her intelligence is only about a 4 years old child, the most 5.

In court, she said she don't know actually many of her albums were sold, don't know how her expensive singing career was being bankrolled, don't know who paid for the bunglow she stayed, don't know, don't know, don't know............

Maybe she thought every night after her prayer, money just filled into her bags and lots of it.

Her biggest regret probably was missing some prayers because so busy, otherwise even more money.

She thinks like most people does , that God will not punish ! Think and think real hard again !!

[Guest Guest]

何耀珊是华人之光，勇闯好莱坞，荣登美国告示牌排行榜!

用钱砸来买一个虚名，果然如今"世界闻名", 大家都知道她是如何红到国外，如今真的是响叮当。

[Guest Guest]

用钱砸来买一个虚名，果然如今"世界闻名", 大家都知道她是如何红到国外，如今真的是响叮当。

 

Hey don't insult Sun, she has some groovy dance tracks out there

 

[Guest Tin]

So cheap she is! Both the couple can do what she want, but please don't quote the name of God! This is a terrible sins!

[Guest Guest]

Back when I was serving ns, a camp mate from her church told me about her, saying she is gonna become a superstar, as the church had plans to promote her into one. Insisted I listen to her singing in church service recording. Kept saying her voice is great. I thought she sounded insincere like a phoney, and her voice lacked punch and character. Nowhere near a good diva, but the way he promoted her to me was like she is gonna become the next Stefanie sun or a-Mei. Inside, I was thinking "wait long long". True enough, she turned out to be this major scam artiste. My gut feeling was right. That camp mate of mine behaved very soft and gayish in camp, and he had a girl friend. So typical. Well well well... 'nuff said.

[Guest MOON]

Back when I was serving ns, a camp mate from her church told me about her, saying she is gonna become a superstar, as the church had plans to promote her into one. Insisted I listen to her singing in church service recording. Kept saying her voice is great. I thought she sounded insincere like a phoney, and her voice lacked punch and character. Nowhere near a good diva, but the way he promoted her to me was like she is gonna become the next Stefanie sun or a-Mei. Inside, I was thinking "wait long long". True enough, she turned out to be this major scam artiste. My gut feeling was right. That camp mate of mine behaved very soft and gayish in camp, and he had a girl friend. So typical. Well well well... 'nuff said.

[Guest MOON]

So cheap she is! Both the couple can do what she want, but please don't quote the name of God! This is a terrible sins!

[Guest Guest]

Back when I was serving ns, a camp mate from her church told me about her, saying she is gonna become a superstar, as the church had plans to promote her into one. Insisted I listen to her singing in church service recording. Kept saying her voice is great. I thought she sounded insincere like a phoney, and her voice lacked punch and character. Nowhere near a good diva, but the way he promoted her to me was like she is gonna become the next Stefanie sun or a-Mei. Inside, I was thinking "wait long long". True enough, she turned out to be this major scam artiste. My gut feeling was right. That camp mate of mine behaved very soft and gayish in camp, and he had a girl friend. So typical. Well well well... 'nuff said.

Hey! If you have nothing good to say about Sun, you should keep your negative comments to yourself. Don't spread false rumours.

[Guest Tomm]

You are entitled to our own opinions. We have our likes and dislikes as human beings. It is obvious whether it is right or wrong regarding the organisation and the couple's actions. Sometimes we side certain faction just for glory and ego boost.

[fab]

Become the next yanzi or amei? Lol.

Dont forget she is older than them. Moreover she's very aunty when she started out.

Back when I was serving ns, a camp mate from her church told me about her, saying she is gonna become a superstar, as the church had plans to promote her into one. Insisted I listen to her singing in church service recording. Kept saying her voice is great. I thought she sounded insincere like a phoney, and her voice lacked punch and character. Nowhere near a good diva, but the way he promoted her to me was like she is gonna become the next Stefanie sun or a-Mei. Inside, I was thinking "wait long long". True enough, she turned out to be this major scam artiste. My gut feeling was right. That camp mate of mine behaved very soft and gayish in camp, and he had a girl friend. So typical. Well well well... 'nuff said.

[Guest Guest]

Become the next yanzi or amei? Lol.

Dont forget she is older than them. Moreover she's very aunty when she started out.

A lot of aunties and uncle worship Kong and Sun because of their well spoken English , instead of the true God ....don't offend them ok ...,it was mentioned in the bible ...to be aware !

[Guest Guest]

The house of Satan is burdened with debt. If we assume there are 15,000 dumb fucks still donating evry month, then each of them have to donate $200 a month just to pay the interest, rental and operating cost plus salaries. The church has to start cutting wages and staff to survive. Church has just taken Glory capital Loan to fund Suntec. If CHC wants to redeem the loan, then each dumbass has to contribute $3,000 to keep the church alive. Kong Hee and sun expense alone used to cost each member $300 per month. If all 6 are convicted, they have to pay cost to the State of an equivalent amount of $5 mio at least and restitution of $24 mio back to the church. This is on top of $8 mio legal which has already been collected from dumb supporters and already deposited wthe lawyers. The loan will likely go into default in 6 months and the Church will collapse close to the verdict of Kong Hee. The finances are in bad shape. Kong will not be able to ay the $17 k for the sentosa cove unless the Hanafi can come up with the money every month which i think is tough as he is also in dome kind of tight cashflow. As for Kong hee 's prime apartments I think he is unloading it to the market before the state seize his assets for not being able to pay. Both Sun and kong will not be able to run any church in singapore, they will ave to seek greener pastures in taiwan, malaysia or china. Looks like they might go china to start afresh and con the mainland chinese.

The filthy rich will want to have them ! But is staying and owning luxury penthouse following Jesus way ?! Which bible are they teaching ?!

[Guest Guest]

She is a Billboard superstar and an international artiste!

[Mando]

She is a Billboard superstar and an international artiste!

She and her team pave that possibility by channelling millions of church funds; not through her sheer talent.

[Guest Guest]

Her singing is at most average. The way she sings is really pedestrian, sounds like no real feeling is put into it but yet comes across as trying too hard to emote at the same time. Very frustrating and quite painful to hear her sing. She is better at trying to be and look glamorous! An empty shell...

[Guest Guest]

Hi, when will the verdict of this case be out? What do you guys think the verdict will be? Will they be let off scot-free or be punished (how heavily?) Who do you think will get it most severely?

[mith]

this case will not be the last!

 

religion is sacred! throughout history, people had done so much evil in the name of religion!

[mith]

i went to a temple recently - what i saw really sadden me. monks having $1000 smartphone, and busy themselves with whatever content on their ipad, while the temple was having big budget celebration of some event.

 

don't even need to investigate! since nothing is free in this world, who paid for all these luxurious item and net working event?

 

btw, isn't monkhood suppose to reside away from the colourful sinful outside world?

[mith]

as for the CHC case :

 

their defend for sun ho venturing into the US pop scene to spread christianity thus need to spend all those millions of church money! that is just preposterous! anyone with half-a-brain won't believe it!

[Guest lol]

i went to a temple recently - what i saw really sadden me. monks having $1000 smartphone, and busy themselves with whatever content on their ipad, while the temple was having big budget celebration of some event.

don't even need to investigate! since nothing is free in this world, who paid for all these luxurious item and net working event?

btw, isn't monkhood suppose to reside away from the colourful sinful outside world?

monks are humans, they have every right to use the latest phone. don't be silly.

I am ok with having faith but when people get way too infatuated with their god, claiming that everything is god's way, but still lustint after money is nothing but a joke.

[mith]

monks are humans, they have every right to use the latest phone. don't be silly.

I am ok with having faith but when people get way too infatuated with their god, claiming that everything is god's way, but still lustint after money is nothing but a joke.

 

u miss the point here, my fren. not about human rights, not about a phone. it's the essense of monkhood!

 

and also not discussing about faith! it's the act of missappropriating donated-fund.

[Guest Wrong Equation]

u miss the point here, my fren. not about human rights, not about a phone. it's the essense of monkhood!

 

and also not discussing about faith! it's the act of missappropriating donated-fund.

 

Sounds like you are pretty sure the phone, the ipad and whatever material things these monks are having bought from donated fund.  Can it be possible that these material items are bought and donated by people and given to these monks?

 

Sound like that you heard these monks, during the meditation or "gospel", telling the followers to compulsorily give "tithe" just so that the monks can be materially rich?

[Guest Goose pimple]

as for the CHC case :

 

their defend for sun ho venturing into the US pop scene to spread christianity thus need to spend all those millions of church money!

I couldn't find any gospel message in her song "China Wine".

[Guest guest]

The verdict will be out on 21 Oct 2015....next wed.

[Guest Guest]

The verdict will be out on 21 Oct 2015....next wed.

The soap opera started in 2010 when the investigation started, they were brought to court in 2012, now coming October 2015, is this drama really coming to a final episode????? 夜市人生早已播完，这闹剧还没收摊。

[mith]

Sounds like you are pretty sure the phone, the ipad and whatever material things these monks are having bought from donated fund.  Can it be possible that these material items are bought and donated by people and given to these monks?

 

Sound like that you heard these monks, during the meditation or "gospel", telling the followers to compulsorily give "tithe" just so that the monks can be materially rich?

 

another one who doesn't get it? you said so yourself, these are material things! what is the essence of monkhood? material things are not suppose to be even in their life once announced to monkhood! so we don't even need to discuss how these material things are acquired and/or donated!

 

get it!

Edited October 17, 2015 by mith

[Guest 30%]

The soap opera started in 2010 when the investigation started, they were brought to court in 2012, now coming October 2015, is this drama really coming to a final episode????? 夜市人生早已播完，这闹剧还没收摊。

It should, because election just over, govt is not afraid now.

[Guest Guest]

lol. Dance music and homophobia are two things I don't associate with each other.

[Guest Guest]

Stop defaming Sun!

[Guest guest3]

cant wait for sun ho to go to jail whoop whoop.

[Guest guest]

According to the news article dated mid sep....140 days trial over 2 yrs plus....6 CHC leaders (including Kong Hee, but not Sun Ho)....misuse of S$24m of church fund to finance Sun's career and another S$26.6m to cover up...through sham investments...so is it like 50m?

 

Well, it might not be the end....if there are appeals.