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Isn't that alvin yeo the christian mp that spoke in parliament on behalf of his church their stance against the repeal of 377a? He overcharged susan lim because she overcharged the bruneian royalties? What a convenient excuse. Look how nothing happened to him, and how pap ministers attacking roy ngerng and hhh on the national papers over the heckling inccident diverted attention from this overcharging inccident by a pap lawyer mp.

He overcharged by a million some more. What a greedy and dishonest christian who still can remain an mp in singapore. Where's the integrity?

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He overcharged by a million some more. What a greedy and dishonest christian who still can remain an mp in singapore. Where's the integrity?

 

He "retired" from politics during the last election. But the Edwin Tong still shamelessly went ahead to stand for elections, and continued to fight for the case even now.

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Prosecution and Judge are not suppose to be emotional like you and me and be sway to any how give sentences. I am sure there was some plea bargaining with this fuckers to get them to confess to lessen sentence..etc I am sure they will want to get more to whack them as hard as they can but they can only do so depending on what evident they can get in order to mettle out as big a punishment as they can. So what plea bargain was dealt to get to this point is what we see. I am sure if they have more evident they will... You have to know, those fuckers also have high paying lawyers who are watching what the prosecution and judge do. So both side don't want to over do it too much and end up screwing the whole case.

Are the authority still digging to get others who are still no caught yet I am sure there are. They need to have the right evident to do so.. so far that bitch got off.. for now maybe. I am hoping she will join him one day.. but the law is the law.

My point is that if we are to have commensuration in punishment, then 8 yrs is too short a term. Shi Ming Yi misappropriated $50,000 and was slapped with 6 mths. How is 8 yrs fair? If the judiciary is going to decide that 8 yrs is fair, then expunge Ming Yi's sentence by an appropriate amount of time, and recompense for the miscarriage of punishment. It's the principle of fairness I'm going for. I'm not looking for anything else but that.

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My point is that if we are to have commensuration in punishment, then 8 yrs is too short a term. Shi Ming Yi misappropriated $50,000 and was slapped with 6 mths. How is 8 yrs fair? If the judiciary is going to decide that 8 yrs is fair, then expunge Ming Yi's sentence by an appropriate amount of time, and recompense for the miscarriage of punishment. It's the principle of fairness I'm going for. I'm not looking for anything else but that.

 

There are a lot of differences between the CHC and Ming Yi's case.

Ming Yi, out of good will and favor, gave out an unauthorized loan of $50,000 to his PA and "good friend".

CHC was a major calculated scam involving several senior church members with the intention to use the money to support the singing career of Kong's wife and the amount involved millions of the church's fund.

This is pure cheating.

They were banking on that if Sun Ho's career really takes off (they naively believed that the producers can make her as big as Shakira), money will be earned back from album sales and returned.

Its akin to a bank manager taking out the cash after the bank closes for the weekend and proceed to the casino and even if he made a killing after 2 days and return the cash on Monday, he had still committed a crime.

This is cheating too.

I too agree that the sentence of 8 years for the chief culprit, and also to all the rest, are too short.

Wonder if the prosecution will appeal for heavier punishment and also to include a heavy fine for all and charge Sun Ho too for knowingly spending so much of the ill-gotten money.

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Travel expenditure that ran into the hundreds of thousands.

Hair, make-up and medical costs that hit more than $100,000.

Although City Harvest Church (CHC) founder Kong Hee and his wife Ho Yeow Sun had struck their names off the church payroll in 2005, they had "love gifts" from a few churchgoers, which paid for such expenses.

As a singer, Ms Ho was earning more than $400,000 a year and this came from these gifts.

But the donors who gave the gifts did not know that Ms Ho had earned so much, Kong admitted in court.

The New Paper on Sunday examined court documents and learnt that the couple earned a total of around $1.4 million from 2006 to 2009 from her music artiste salary, royalties and bonuses.

But this money did not come from her artiste management firms, Xtron Productions and Ultimate Assets, as they wanted to reinvest the earnings back into the companies.

Instead, the monies were transferred to Kong and Ms Ho from a fund known as the multi-purpose account (MPA), made up of "love gifts" from church members, Kong said in court.

The MPA, which was set up in 2006 and closed in 2010, is shrouded in secrecy.

Only a handful of church members who were closest to Kong Hee knew of its existence. (See report on facing page.)

Revelations about the MPA were made during court proceedings.

Kong said in court: "For the MPA, it is more for the livelihood of me and Sun... and for other non-music production expenses in the US because we are off the church's salary."

One document showed what the money was spent on in that period - more than $300,000 was spent on travel, more than $100,000 on food and close to $100,000 on hair and make-up.

All these were paid for by around 40 of the couple's closest supporters, whose regular donations contributed nearly $3 million to the fund from 2006 to 2009.

Some of those who gave "love gifts" cut back on tithes to the church while others stopped completely, according to the Commissioner of Charities (COC) inquiry in 2012.

COC found that about $600,000 was purportedly spent by Kong Hee and $3 million by Sun Ho from the MPA between April 2007 and March 2010.

Kong, who had told the media in 2005 his salary was $8,000 a month before he took himself off the payroll that year, also earned an average of US$360,000 (S$500,000) per year from his speaking engagements. He also made money from merchandise sales.

TROUBLE

Globally, love gifts have landed church leaders in trouble over tax evasion and fraud charges.

In Charlotte, US, Reverend Anthony Jinwright and his wife Harriet of the Greater Salem City of God church were jailed in 2009 after their expensive cars and vacations were found to be paid for by "love gifts" from the church.

MPA donor and fellow accused Chew Eng Han accused Kong of being more interested in personal gain than the interests of the church by pointing out discrepancies in the MPA in court. (See report on facing page.)

While most MPA donors have kept silent, The New Paper on Sunday tracked down blogger Lu Jiahui, who claimed to be one.

The mother of three, whose blog is called Mum's The Word, tells TNPS: "The choice was given to us and it was also explained to us where the money would go.

"I made the decision that it was okay, because this is my money and I know where I want it to go. I gave with my free will. No one forced me to do it."

She declines to reveal how much she donated to the MPA over the years, but claims it did not affect her tithes to the church.

Ms Lu decided to write about MPA on her blog to defend her former pastor against Chew's allegations.

"I think I was the only one to come out publicly to say I am an MPA donor. Why? Because if I didn't, people would just be hearing about it from Eng Han."

She explains her decision to donate to the account, knowing that it was meant to pay for Kong's and Sun's living expenses.

Ms Lu says: "Think about this as though you are contributing to your boss' birthday and you can give however much you want. Someone sets up a birthday fund for the office and the money is put in there.

"Eventually, whether the money is spent on the birthday cake or the decorations is besides the point. I just know that I gave the money away as a birthday present, and I trust the person to handle it."

- See more at: http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/kong-hee-and-sun-ho-paid-expenses-account-made-love-gift-donations#sthash.YiRifMS9.dpuf

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There are a lot of differences between the CHC and Ming Yi's case.

Ming Yi, out of good will and favor, gave out an unauthorized loan of $50,000 to his PA and "good friend".

CHC was a major calculated scam involving several senior church members with the intention to use the money to support the singing career of Kong's wife and the amount involved millions of the church's fund.

This is pure cheating.

They were banking on that if Sun Ho's career really takes off (they naively believed that the producers can make her as big as Shakira), money will be earned back from album sales and returned.

Its akin to a bank manager taking out the cash after the bank closes for the weekend and proceed to the casino and even if he made a killing after 2 days and return the cash on Monday, he had still committed a crime.

This is cheating too.

I too agree that the sentence of 8 years for the chief culprit, and also to all the rest, are too short.

Wonder if the prosecution will appeal for heavier punishment and also to include a heavy fine for all and charge Sun Ho too for knowingly spending so much of the ill-gotten money.

 

Wei~~~~~ Don't like that hor.........8 years a lot liao........cannot stay in condo, cannot have gourmet food and expensive wine, cannot drive luxurious car, cannot sleep in air con room, cannot wear branded clothes. shoes and watches, cannot FUCK Sun HOLE......what more do you want from us???!!!

 

 

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(Breaking) Taiwan news - Malaysian-Chinese Christian singer Eric Moo says "Sun_Ho's music career is over".

 

http://ent.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/1491749

When did it take off?

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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no eye see! give up on the local judicial system!

 

everyone just go start a church! no point working! work diligent and hard for decades cannot even buy a decent hdb flats, cheaters can stay at sentosa cove!

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My point is that if we are to have commensuration in punishment, then 8 yrs is too short a term. Shi Ming Yi misappropriated $50,000 and was slapped with 6 mths. How is 8 yrs fair? If the judiciary is going to decide that 8 yrs is fair, then expunge Ming Yi's sentence by an appropriate amount of time, and recompense for the miscarriage of punishment. It's the principle of fairness I'm going for. I'm not looking for anything else but that.

 

People got PAP MP to fight their case mah....so what fairness are you expecting? To get them charged as guilty very tao-cheo already, you still expect "fair" sentence?

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You see how sincere is he.....

 

 

LOL!  LOL! LOL! 

 

Someone should give Kong He the address of this website, this thread,

so he can realize what a laughing stock he has become.

 

But probably he is so thick-skinned by now that it won't make him any difference...

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Mpa purpose was made known to donor lu jiahui? No proof no talk! Claim no salary but still received moolah in the form of "love gifts", yet kept it a secret because her exorbitant artiste fees were drawn from there. Like that also can!!!!!!!!! So much secrets and bald-faced lies.

So. Sneaky.

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Closed one eye towards those who withheld tithes to donate to mpa. So..... That's where those church money went. So sneaky! Tsk tsk tsk.... Siphoning church funds through such creative methods. Artiste management company reinvested paltry album revenues back into her non-existent career so that she can claim fatter "royalties" and "artiste fees" from mpa. Lies lies lies!!!!!

Next time i hear the word christian, i will have the word "liars" flash across my mind. Thanks so much sun and kong!

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Now the focus has switched to former fund manager Chew Eng Han vs CHC...the latter is suing him for the losses while he revealed all the dirts.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/chew-eng-han-it-seems-like-ive-got-so-many-enemies

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/former-city-harvest-fund-manager-chew-eng-han-i-hardly-have-anything-now

And chc is accusing the papers of sensationalising the above issue. One point is chew claimed chc is unlicensed moneylender.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/city-harvest-church-says/2284690.html

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Next time i hear the word christian, i will have the word "liars" flash across my mind. Thanks so much sun and kong!

 

This is the great gift Sun and Kong Hee made to society.

They unveiled the large nature of Christianity that churches try to keep hidden.

THEY LET THE TRUTH TO COME OUT!

Don't they deserve something for that?

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Many christians are consummate liars. To appear moral, holy and noble, they act and put up lots of fronts and appearances. Many are superficial and shallow in their actual thinking and display the most extreme forms of hypocrisy humanly possible, more so than any other religion of this world!

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Wrong song ! In this 80's - 天龍八部 series , the female lead - 阿朱 sacrificed herself to die for her father in her boyfriend's arm !

 

may be she is 马夫人 instead?

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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see my super power!

哇!城市丰收教会所召开的“舞林大会”场面真是声势浩大,阵容真是空前绝后,所引来的各路英雄好汉都齐聚于一堂!

可中间却冒出了个梅超风!不,是东方不败!咋看又像是灭绝师太,却怎么摆了个小龙女的泊思呢?真是纳闷。。。

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So funny, I like this video clip!

 

Steve, I think you missed the fun because of the Chinese cultural gap.  This video clip was deliberately filled in in its 10th second onward with the theme song (in Cantonese) from the Hong Kong martial arts tv series "Demi-Gods & Semi-Gods" where martial arts experts can transfer energy from one to another person through his palm.  It's a satire on CHC actually.  May the Force be with you.  LOL!

 

Thank you Nightingale for the clarification.

I already recognized that the video is a satire by the way it shows the incredibly idiotic acts of these people

that on first sight could give the impression of being serious educated persons.

 

It turns out that they are seriously educated in deception and misrepresentation.

When this is done honestly, it is called "acting".

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Someone wrote in to Today newspaper voices section...hoping the Commissioner of Charities will look into recovering their donations from CHC esp for former members and organisations...since its now clear the money has been misused. Wonder anything will be done or not....

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heard earlier time Kong hee only eat  biskuits  to save money for the church.Poor  thing . u people have pity on him pls donate generously.Blame the church members for not donating enough.

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heard earlier time Kong hee only eat  biskuits  to save money for the church.Poor  thing . u people have pity on him pls donate generously.Blame the church members for not donating enough.

 

LOL!  Why he needs to eat biscuits? The love of the Lord should feed him for free.

He will be so fortunate in jail to be able to sacrifice himself with the food they will give him there, so that he will gain more merit in the eyes of the Lord.

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heard earlier time Kong hee only eat biskuits to save money for the church.Poor thing . u people have pity on him pls donate generously.Blame the church members for not donating enough.

You got it all Wrong! Kong Hee eat abalone using the donation money. The one who eat biscuits is --- his church member who donated all his salary and had to go to church early to eat "free" biscuits to save money.
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So funny, I like this video clip!

Steve, I think you missed the fun because of the Chinese cultural gap. This video clip was deliberately filled in in its 10th second onward with the theme song (in Cantonese) from the Hong Kong martial arts tv series "Demi-Gods & Semi-Gods" where martial arts experts can transfer energy from one to another person through his palm. It's a satire on CHC actually. May the Force be with you. LOL!

That's why these TVB period dramas are timeless and never out of date ! I guess these people do not bother to watch and learn from it !

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No, it is wrong to assume he does "not bother". He is an angmoh living far far away from our country & can't understand Chinese. And not everyone is expected to be interested in watching TVB or period dramas.

Not referring to him but the many of them with hands up supporting those leaders just like in the series !

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After spending so much money to produce those songs in the US and moth-ball them is such a waste and worse all accused will be facing long jail terms.

Perhaps Kong and gang should compile all the songs like China Wine etc into an album and sell to the public and church members.

After all, those faithful members will certainly buy at least 5 copies each while during each church session, Sun Ho can perform on stage her international famous hit song China Wine to promote sales further.

This time, she should wear even skimpier dresses for better effect and will result in even better sales.

Like that, the album will sure hit platinum status, another super achievement for Sun Ho!

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SINGAPORE - The Prosecution has filed notices of appeal against the sentences imposed on Kong Hee and five others in City Harvest trial. In an appeal filed today, the Attorney-General Chambers said in a statement on Friday that the sentences imposed are 'manifestly inadequate, in all the circumstances of the case'.

Not in reply to the above....but earlier on, some possible appeals :

Former church investment committee member Chew Eng Han received six years' jail, but he has told the court that he will appeal.

In a Facebook post later that day of his sentencing, Kong said he was "saddened" by the length of the sentence.

"I am presently studying the judgement and sentence carefully with my lawyers, and will make a meaningful decision whether to appeal in due course," he said.

 

 

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The prosecutors are right, the sentences imposed were indeed "manifestly inadequate".

The accused should be given the maximum sentences proposed by them and I hope the will win the appeal, even better if the appeal court increase the punishment for all the accused.

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All the six decided to appeal...wow...expect more court time and lawyer fees (maybe more donations).

Kong hee's bail is increased...he is going overseas.

"The State Courts will serve court record of proceedings to all parties on Jan 4, after which they have 14 days to file a petition of appeal...."

So no one going in jail on 11 jan...

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/city-harvest-trial-kong-hee-and-other-church-leaders-file-notices-of-appeal

And read here...in his recent talk...he seems to compare his case to Apostle Paul...about appealing n stuff.

http://mothership.sg/2015/11/kong-hee-to-appeal-against-city-harvest-case-curiously-uses-important-christian-figure-and-martyr-as-an-inspiration/

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All the six decided to appeal...wow...expect more court time and lawyer fees (maybe more donations).

Kong hee's bail is increased...he is going overseas.

"The State Courts will serve court record of proceedings to all parties on Jan 4, after which they have 14 days to file a petition of appeal...."

So no one going in jail on 11 jan...

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/city-harvest-trial-kong-hee-and-other-church-leaders-file-notices-of-appeal

And read here...in his recent talk...he seems to compare his case to Apostle Paul...about appealing n stuff.

http://mothership.sg/2015/11/kong-hee-to-appeal-against-city-harvest-case-curiously-uses-important-christian-figure-and-martyr-as-an-inspiration/

 

My relatives have jointly and formally formed agroup of elite lawyer to help appeal and fight for them, even to the extend of engaging Queens' Council in the ligatation process.

I personally had a heated argument over their support, but its like 1 versus 30 over relatives in Singapore and Indonesia, cos they were deeprooted to CHC.

 

My parents have not re-will and assured that they will selling all properties, if need to help fund the ligitation costs.

 

Sighed.... !!!

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My relatives have jointly and formally formed agroup of elite lawyer to help appeal and fight for them, even to the extend of engaging Queens' Council in the ligatation process.

I personally had a heated argument over their support, but its like 1 versus 30 over relatives in Singapore and Indonesia, cos they were deeprooted to CHC.

 

My parents have not re-will and assured that they will selling all properties, if need to help fund the ligitation costs.

 

Sighed.... !!!

 

 

what I meant is repealing process with the best Elite Lawyers, they will be hiring.

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i'm starting my own church. please donate to me  GOD! i need to move into sentosa cove to be nearer to GOD! i will start my singing career in american trying to engage top producers to bring christainity oversea! i'll party and fuck around in the clubs there to mingle like one of the hollywood people... while i'm there, i need to rent/stay in the biggest most luscious hollywood hill mansion, please donate so my crossover project will work! i need your money support! 

 

my church is called C$TY HARVESTING CHURCH! 

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i'm starting my own church. please donate to me  GOD! i need to move into sentosa cove to be nearer to GOD! i will start my singing career in american trying to engage top producers to bring christainity oversea! i'll party and fuck around in the clubs there to mingle like one of the hollywood people... while i'm there, i need to rent/stay in the biggest most luscious hollywood hill mansion, please donate so my crossover project will work! i need your money support! 

 

my church is called C$TY HARVESTING CHURCH! 

 

一二三四五六七,你好!!!

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