Discussion on Muscle Building, Weight Lost, Weight Gain, Gym Workout

[lightsmith32]

What are your training objectives or goals?

 

Strength gain with control .... I try to hit all parts of the muscle i work...

[xydboy]

Strength gain with control .... I try to hit all parts of the muscle i work...

You should start to go to the gym. With so many gyms sprouting out all over the island, with varying cost and equipment plus 24hrs gym, its not very difficult to gain access.

[lightsmith32]

You should start to go to the gym. With so many gyms sprouting out all over the island, with varying cost and equipment plus 24hrs gym, its not very difficult to gain access.

 

[xydboy]

Cause with this limitation of dumbbells at home,there's so much strength you can gain.

[lightsmith32]

Cause with this limitation of dumbbells at home,there's so much strength you can gain.

 

I agree with your statement ... gyms coulf def offer superior equipment ... just that i dont like to work out in a crowd ... i wouldnt be able to focus ...

[Oracle]

I recently tried Casein. Are they suppose to be chalky? Hard to swallow.

[bluerunner]

Usually its all about exercise and diet. Most people just keep doing crunches,etc just for abs, but seriously the core is made of 3 layers, the deep, middle and outer layer, doing these simple abs exercise isn't going to help much in terms of strengthening. Big movements like squats, deadlifts, they would be beneficial in training and activating the core muscles. Doing 1000 crunches isn't going to be helpful. And serious, the amount of times I do crunches in a month can be counted with 1 hand. Still my abs showed =p Apart from which, the diet would also play a role. Try some high intensity exercises plus a balanced diet would be useful.

Thx for replying. Good to know that I'm doing the right thing.

[lightsmith32]

I recently tried Casein. Are they suppose to be chalky? Hard to swallow.

Why not Whey? trying to understand your approach.

[Oracle]

I'm still taking whey. Before and after my workout. I understand that casein is a slow release protein, so I take it before bed time. It's just the taste is chalky, i wonder if casein itself suppose to be like that.

[Guest Guest]

Xydboy.. Usually I will run for 20 mins before doing gym exefcises .So far for chest I always do flat bench and inclined bench press lying down currently can lift each side 12.5 kg. ( usually 4 sets of 8)I also do inclined dumbell can lift 12 kg each side (4 sets of 8). And I do push ups almost every day about 60 to eighty. Chest I do only one week twice as I'm in a ssc gym crowded too.

My triceps and biceps grow faster than my flat chest. As I go to gym almost daily and without fail with do triceps and biceps exercises with machines and barbells. I will also do dips almost every day in the gym.

Thanks as I'm almost 9 months in the gym still learning and observing others.

I have never done flys or squats or deadlifts before too .

Since I do triceps and biceps almost daily plus shoulder press.. I find my shoulders strain at times which affect my working on the flat and inclined bench press .. When I lower the bar can feel the soreness at the shoulders at times.

I just see that my chest is abit tone and when I contract them can see the chest muscles but still like aeroplane landing way.

Pls advice what to do? Thank you .

I consume both whey protein Bef and after workout.

[teatree]

What are the gym exercises good for a runner aside from leg exercises?  Most of the elite runners are not muscle bound, so putting on muscles to the upper body is a hindrance rather than an advantage to the runner. 

[potato]

Nuts are very healthy, and bulk (or big) purchases of raw almonds (unsalted and not roasted) is a best choice.

Mixed nuts are somewhat questionable depending on what the mix is.

Do you just eat raw almonds? or there's further process needed? I've tasted raw almonds (for baking used), it didn't taste well

Baked almonds is not recommended I guess?    I always like the brand which is called "Nature's Wonder" It tastes good  :smokin:

Edited September 11, 2015 by potato

[Steve5380]

You should start to go to the gym. With so many gyms sprouting out all over the island, with varying cost and equipment plus 24hrs gym, its not very difficult to gain access.

 

This is good advice. There can be an extra gain in motivation and discipline by having to go to the gym one is paying for, and once there to do the work and justify the trip.  Also the whole environment of other people working out helps in trying hard and being a bit competitive. 

 

This does not mean that one cannot adequately work out at home if the savings in money and time are important. But one has to resist the temptation to procrastinate and goof off.

[Steve5380]

Do you just eat raw almonds? or there's further process needed? I've tasted raw almonds (for baking used), it didn't taste well

Baked almonds is not recommended I guess?    I always like the brand which is called "Nature's Wonder" It tastes good  :smokin:

 

The benefit of unsalted does not need explanation. About the roasting, it does not make too much difference, with slight advantage if they are not roasted. But I have little idea of what processing is done to the nuts that are not roasted.  The almonds I eat are called "natural", and I don't know how this differs from "raw".

 

In any case,  almonds of all kinds are better than... no almonds.

[Steve5380]

What are the gym exercises good for a runner aside from leg exercises?  Most of the elite runners are not muscle bound, so putting on muscles to the upper body is a hindrance rather than an advantage to the runner. 

 

That would depend on the type of running.  Sprinters, short distance runners need muscle, while the long distance runners need to concentrate in aerobic endurance and be of light weight.  I personally think that it is a pity to give up on a well formed body with good muscles everywhere in order to gain an edge in a particular sport.

[potato]

The benefit of unsalted does not need explanation. About the roasting, it does not make too much difference, with slight advantage if they are not roasted. But I have little idea of what processing is done to the nuts that are not roasted.  The almonds I eat are called "natural", and I don't know how this differs from "raw".

 

In any case,  almonds of all kinds are better than... no almonds.

where do you get them?

[ZealousZeno]

Got to say the abs workout by Jamie Alderton helps for beginners XD, here is a link to share his 8 min workout at home:

 

[Steve5380]

where do you get them?

 

I live in the US, and in several stores I can buy "Blue Diamond" "Whole Natural" Almonds in resealable packs of one pound. 

Every time I make a trip overseas I take one whole pack of these with me to snack.  Almonds are good high-density food.

Only once in a trip to Australia I declared on entrance that I had them,  and they took them away because they don't allow raw almonds to be brought into the country.  Never again will I declare a snack!

[xydboy]

I recently tried Casein. Are they suppose to be chalky? Hard to swallow.

Depends on the brand. The outcome of the mixture depends on a variety of factors.

[xydboy]

Xydboy.. Usually I will run for 20 mins before doing gym exefcises .So far for chest I always do flat bench and inclined bench press lying down currently can lift each side 12.5 kg. ( usually 4 sets of 8)I also do inclined dumbell can lift 12 kg each side (4 sets of 8). And I do push ups almost every day about 60 to eighty. Chest I do only one week twice as I'm in a ssc gym crowded too.

My triceps and biceps grow faster than my flat chest. As I go to gym almost daily and without fail with do triceps and biceps exercises with machines and barbells. I will also do dips almost every day in the gym.

Thanks as I'm almost 9 months in the gym still learning and observing others.

I have never done flys or squats or deadlifts before too .

Since I do triceps and biceps almost daily plus shoulder press.. I find my shoulders strain at times which affect my working on the flat and inclined bench press .. When I lower the bar can feel the soreness at the shoulders at times.

I just see that my chest is abit tone and when I contract them can see the chest muscles but still like aeroplane landing way.

Pls advice what to do? Thank you .

I consume both whey protein Bef and after workout.

Flyes are good exercise for the chest as it depicts true chest movement (horizontal adduction). You have been doing this for 9 months, hope you have been increasing the amount of weights progressively, if not, do try to increase the weights. And yes, do try to do some squats. Dumbbell squats or goblet squats are good start offs. As for the shoulders, maybe you might want to get it checked, it could be some form of impingement. Best to have a medical practitioner to have a look at it. Oh and don't forget to eat more as well. My impression is that you have a weight below 62kg....just guessing =)

[xydboy]

That would depend on the type of running.  Sprinters, short distance runners need muscle, while the long distance runners need to concentrate in aerobic endurance and be of light weight.  I personally think that it is a pity to give up on a well formed body with good muscles everywhere in order to gain an edge in a particular sport.

I would say yes, it would depend on the type of running, but long distance runners would need to head down to the gym as well, focusing more of the muscular endurance. All sports would still need to head to the gym to condition themselves, if it weren't for the sport, do it for the prevention of injury. But the nature of the strength and conditioning program would differ greatly, with sprinters focusing on plyometrics and muscular strength, while long distance runners would focus more of endurance and general conditioning programs to strengthen the hamstrings/quadriceps to reduce risk of developing strains and to ensure optimal running economy and development of speed.

[xydboy]

What are the gym exercises good for a runner aside from leg exercises?  Most of the elite runners are not muscle bound, so putting on muscles to the upper body is a hindrance rather than an advantage to the runner. 

In fact for runners, not just for legs, but also core muscles would be beneficial for the arms swing, which helps to develop cadence. The obliques, abs, etc, would be good as it would influence the overall posture and position when you run for long duration especially for long distance runner (i presume you are talking more from a long distance runner perspective).

[mingthemonkey]

awesome abs exercise.

[Guest]

I would say yes, it would depend on the type of running, but long distance runners would need to head down to the gym as well, focusing more of the muscular endurance. All sports would still need to head to the gym to condition themselves, if it weren't for the sport, do it for the prevention of injury. But the nature of the strength and conditioning program would differ greatly, with sprinters focusing on plyometrics and muscular strength, while long distance runners would focus more of endurance and general conditioning programs to strengthen the hamstrings/quadriceps to reduce risk of developing strains and to ensure optimal running economy and development of speed.

Need to learn about muscular endurance, will try to google them.  Just incase I could not find much mind giving a little bit more detail.  Thank You.

[Guest Guest]

Xydboy thanks .

Yes I have increased my weights progressively.

I am 73 kg. I should try flyes and dumbell squats then:)

[xydboy]

Need to learn about muscular endurance, will try to google them.  Just incase I could not find much mind giving a little bit more detail.  Thank You.

Something which long distance runners can do is to do things like hip sled push/run training for development of speed, barbell squats with jump would also help in training the calves to propel the body forward, hamstrings exercises specifically can try leg curls. Work on all aspects of the legs. Even hip thrust is good to help because the gluts are after all the most powerful leg extensors. Lots more other exercises can be found online but I'm more than willing to help you out if need be (just that I don't come here often).

[lightsmith32]

You are a gd man bro xydboy

[xydboy]

You are a gd man bro xydboy

Thanks for the compliments. I eat shit and breathe these stuff everyday, and I'm just doing my best to spread this knowledge out and educate people. Strong believer that nobody should be denied the rights to be educated in these aspect and to keep themselves fit.

[speedoluver]

need some guidance. my weight is 59kg and height is 173cm. How should i eat to gain weight and not have a tummy. My target weight is 65kg. I was also told to avoid cardio workout if i want to put on weight.

[potato]

I have the same problem as you.

[Guest Guest]

need some guidance. my weight is 59kg and height is 173cm. How should i eat to gain weight and not have a tummy. My target weight is 65kg. I was also told to avoid cardio workout if i want to put on weight.

 

As long as you gain muscles, you gain weight.  So just focus on muscle training exercises along with the right protein supplement.  There is no special diet for gaining weight per se.

[Steve5380]

As long as you gain muscles, you gain weight.  So just focus on muscle training exercises along with the right protein supplement.  There is no special diet for gaining weight per se.

 

Sounds reasonable. We cannot gain in height. So to gain weight something else than the skeleton needs to get bigger. We cannot make our organs grow.

 

If we have a good diet and we start to eat some more to gain weight but this does not happen, this means that we are at the right weight for our body type, and we should accept it.

 

But if for some reason we have a strong desire to be bigger, there are two ways:  grow in fat, or grow in muscle and its connective tissues.

 

To grow in muscle (the desirable alternative) is to do heavy weight training and eat more of the healthy diet, with increased protein consumption.

 

To grow in fat, we need to change our eating to what the people eat who are obese and desperate to lose weight.

 

One question remains:  why this strong desire to gain weight?

 

Is it to become more attractive?  This is a valid reason and some muscles can embellish a very skinny body. But if this goes very far, many of us find big muscles ugly.

Is it to overcome insecurity?  If we are skinny we can feel intimidated by those big and strong.  A good remedy is to learn a martial art (which is exercise in itself).

[lightsmith32]

need some guidance. my weight is 59kg and height is 173cm. How should i eat to gain weight and not have a tummy. My target weight is 65kg. I was also told to avoid cardio workout if i want to put on weight.

If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose. So use ur age and height weight to determine your basal metabolic rate or normal burning rate. if u wanna gain weight eat 500 cals above that.

how and where u gain mass cannot be controlled. the body does what the body will. fat and muscle gain when bulking is inevitable. what u can control however is to eat clean and whole foods to minimise fat gain and promote muscle gain.

Minimise your cardio and do more anabolic based exercise. cardio is still an important part of overall physical fitness and should never be abandoned.

Remember this saying .. size is nothing without strength. Power is nothing without control.

Hope it helps

[speedoluver]

 

 

Yes to both your questions. To look better, be more confident and stay healthy. not aiming for big muscles cos too big is scary.

[speedoluver]

 

 

how do you measure basal metabolic rate? I used the analyzer in FF, i saw 1419kcal. is that what you are refering to? it also points to 65.8kg as my ideal weight.

[lightsmith32]

how do you measure basal metabolic rate? I used the analyzer in FF, i saw 1419kcal. is that what you are refering to? it also points to 65.8kg as my ideal weight.

 

Ofcoz the best way is to use those machines or lab tests ..but those are extreme .... i use this .. just a loose guide ... http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

[Steve5380]

If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose. So use ur age and height weight to determine your basal metabolic rate or normal burning rate. if u wanna gain weight eat 500 cals above that.

 

Hmmm... this sounds so nice and simple,  but it is more complicated than that. 

 

The balance between 'eat' and 'burn' forgets about what comes out the tail end...  unless you never poop.

Earlier in the thread I had some discussions about this with Xydboy, and the conclusion was that calorie counting is not very practical.

[lightsmith32]

Hmmm... this sounds so nice and simple, but it is more complicated than that.

The balance between 'eat' and 'burn' forgets about what comes out the tail end... unless you never poop.

Earlier in the thread I had some discussions about this with Xydboy, and the conclusion was that calorie counting is not very practical.

simple is gd. the whole point was diet is key. why complicate things for normal humans? people in the close single digit body fat might ofcoz find this too simple and require a more expert method?

[xydboy]

Ofcoz the best way is to use those machines or lab tests ..but those are extreme .... i use this .. just a loose guide ... http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

I would take this with a pinch of salt, especially when it comes to calculation using height, weight, age and gender. This site is most probably using the traditional Harris Benedict's equation. Reason why I would take it with a pinch of salt is 2 65kg males, one with more lean body mass vs the other filled with fat mass, don't tell me they both burn the same amount of calories. Hence if I were to pick, I would use the calculation based on the lean body mass, and that's what most equipment use in their algorithm (Using Katch-McArdle Formula to derive resting daily energy expenditure).

[xydboy]

If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose. So use ur age and height weight to determine your basal metabolic rate or normal burning rate. if u wanna gain weight eat 500 cals above that.

how and where u gain mass cannot be controlled. the body does what the body will. fat and muscle gain when bulking is inevitable. what u can control however is to eat clean and whole foods to minimise fat gain and promote muscle gain.

Minimise your cardio and do more anabolic based exercise. cardio is still an important part of overall physical fitness and should never be abandoned.

Remember this saying .. size is nothing without strength. Power is nothing without control.

Hope it helps

If you have the chance to grab whole of this article (link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118387658.ch32/summary), do have a read. And to quote the summary of this article," Body weight is an intricate balance between energy intake (calories consumed) and energy expenditure (calories burned). Energy expenditure is comprised of resting metabolic rate, diet-induced thermogenesis and activity thermogenesis components. This chapter reviews the methods by which energy expenditure can be measured in humans and the physiologic and molecular mechanisms linking energy metabolism with excess weight gain."

[Steve5380]

simple is gd. the whole point was diet is key. why complicate things for normal humans? people in the close single digit body fat might ofcoz find this too simple and require a more expert method?

 

No. You wrote: "If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose."

 

And I wrote "this sounds so nice and simple but it is more complicated than that"  to get around saying that it is WRONG.  For all humans.

 

People are mislead into this idea that the ingested calories that are not burned will stay in the body as fat and other tissues.  So they get obsessed with counting calories to monitor the quantity of food they eat and don't pay so much attention to the type of foods they eat and how they eat them.

 

We always eat more than what we burn.  We have a regulating mechanism that absorbs the nutrients our body needs and the rest goes out. There is no need to do precise calorie counting as long as our diet is healthy.  But this regulating mechanism can be forced by ingesting food in unusual ways, like bulking up in a cycle of heavy lifting,  or going hungry in an intent to lose weight. 

[Steve5380]

If you have the chance to grab whole of this article (link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118387658.ch32/summary), do have a read. And to quote the summary of this article," Body weight is an intricate balance between energy intake (calories consumed) and energy expenditure (calories burned). Energy expenditure is comprised of resting metabolic rate, diet-induced thermogenesis and activity thermogenesis components. This chapter reviews the methods by which energy expenditure can be measured in humans and the physiologic and molecular mechanisms linking energy metabolism with excess weight gain."

 

So here you have a way for people who are not normal and like complication, like professional body builders, who also happen to have dictionaries to look up the complicated terms and who don't... er... poop calories.

[xydboy]

So here you have a way for people who are not normal and like complication, like professional body builders, who also happen to have dictionaries to look up the complicated terms and who don't... er... poop calories.

Have no idea what you are trying to convey, mind elaborating? *scratch head*

[xydboy]

No. You wrote: "If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose."

 

And I wrote "this sounds so nice and simple but it is more complicated than that"  to get around saying that it is WRONG.  For all humans.

 

People are mislead into this idea that the ingested calories that are not burned will stay in the body as fat and other tissues.  So they get obsessed with counting calories to monitor the quantity of food they eat and don't pay so much attention to the type of foods they eat and how they eat them.

 

We always eat more than what we burn.  We have a regulating mechanism that absorbs the nutrients our body needs and the rest goes out. There is no need to do precise calorie counting as long as our diet is healthy.  But this regulating mechanism can be forced by ingesting food in unusual ways, like bulking up in a cycle of heavy lifting,  or going hungry in an intent to lose weight. 

Just to clarify some of the terms and points raised by both parties.

 

1)   First law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed from one form to another but cannot be created or destroyed. Formulated in terms of energy: rate of change in body (energy stored) = difference in energy intake and energy expanded.

 

2)   Energy intake or metabolized energy primarily consist of chemical energy from the food and fluids we consumed. It includes the 3 major macronutrients: carbs, protein and fat. Net absorption of major macronutient groups is variable and incomplete. Fecal losses account for ~2-10% of gross energy metabolized energy. The variability in absorptive efficiency also depends on many other factors such as gut flora (~150kcal), food preparation and diet composition. Individual differences observed for metabolise energy.

 

3)   Commonly used energy densities for carbs (4kcal), protein (4kcal), and fat (9kcal) represent population averages for metabolisable energy, which is the amount of fuel available for cells to conduct biological activities.

 

4)   Rate of whole body energy expenditure or energy expanded varies within a 24hr period and across life span. It reflects fuels metabolized for growth, body maintenance needs, physical activity, pregnancy, etc. The other components or terms used in this “big umbrella” are REE, TEF and AEE.

 

5)   Energy stored reflects net changes in the body mass of carbs, protein, and fat. Carbs mainly stored in the form of intracellular glycogen in skeletal muscle and liver. Body protein takes many specific forms, while lipds are stored in the form of triglyceride. Any imbalance between the intake and utilization of these macronutients will lead to an alteration on body composition. Long term stability of body weight is often considered a marker of net stored energy, or energy balance.

 

6)   The components of the energy balance equation changes over time. Even during a 24hr period, the energy balance will change and vary according to daily eating and activity patterns

 

7)   “Although it is clear that metabolized energy and energy expanded are part of a biologically regulated system, the exact nature of how this system works in humans has not been fully established. Two different system designs have been generally discussed, a “set point” and a “settling point.” The idea of a set point is borrowed from the field of engineering in which feedback control systems are designed to regulate a particular variable to match a specified target. In contrast, a settling point has traditionally been used to describe a system without active feedback control of food intake and energy expenditure. Models that do not directly specify a set-point value but that include active feedback control have also been called settling-point models. These 2 systems do, in fact, overlap, and there are insufficient data to decide whether one or both are valid. What is clear, however, is that perturbations in the components of energy intake or expenditure result in compensatory changes in these components. These include passive compensatory changes such as an increase in energy expenditure with an increase in body size and active compensation such as changes in food intake after exercise.”

 

8)   Food intake is variable and it varies according to other factors such as how we feel in a day. However, the variation in total caloric intake summed across all meals over a day is far less variable, suggesting a meal-to-meal compensation of intake. “Energy expenditure rarely shows the same degree of variation across days. Hence, we are almost perpetually in energy imbalance on the time scale of hours or days. When a given day's intake and expenditure are plotted against each other, there is little association. It is only when they are averaged over much longer periods (weeks) that there begins to be a balance struck between intake and expenditure “.

 

9)   So what about low amounts of physical activity and weight gain? Study conducted by Levine et. al. (1999) conducted a study by feeding 16 sedentary individuals an extra 1000kcal/day for 8 weeks and measuring free-living activity and changes in body weight. It was reported that despite no changes in voluntary physical activity or energy wastage through fecal losses, fat gain varied more than 10-fold among individuals, ranging from 0.36-4.23kg, and inversely related to the increase in total energy expenditure. Changes in RMR and thermic effect of food was small, and the fat gain with overfeeding was attribute to changes in spontaneous physical activity (eg. Exercises). Hence through the relationship established, it is clear that physical activity would play a major role in weight regulation.

 

References used:

Hall, K. D., Heymsfield, S. B., Kemnitz, J. W., Klien, S., Scholler, D. A.,  & Speakman, J. R. (2012) Energy balance and its components: implications for body weight regulation. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 95 (4), 989-994. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3302369/)

 

Galgani, J., & Ravussin, E. (2010) Energy metabolism, fuel selection and body weight regulation. International Journa of Obesity, 32(7), 109-119.

 

Levine, J. A., Eberhardt, N. L., & Jensen, M. D. (1999) Role of nonexercise activity thermogenesis in resistance to fat gain in humans. Sciemce, 283 (5399), 212-214.

 

I cite more of the first article, and it was provided by a consensus panel with researchers and expertise in energy metabolism, weight management and physical activity.

Edited September 17, 2015 by xydboy

[lightsmith32]

waa u all very cheem. I count calories so I have see an average of how much I eat a week and adjust the quantity across the week.

it's simple and sustainable and allowsme to enjoy food and workout.

I personally used calories in ands out to drop my body fat as I am a layman and wanted to share the perspective here.

I'm not sure how how to account for how much the body burns and what not or go into counting macros and etc. for me not sustainable.

[lightsmith32]

thank u Steve and xdboy bros .. I'll think on ur comments

[Choco]

No. You wrote: "If u eat more than u burn u gain .. vice versa and you lose."

And I wrote "this sounds so nice and simple but it is more complicated than that" to get around saying that it is WRONG. For all humans.

People are mislead into this idea that the ingested calories that are not burned will stay in the body as fat and other tissues. So they get obsessed with counting calories to monitor the quantity of food they eat and don't pay so much attention to the type of foods they eat and how they eat them.

We always eat more than what we burn. We have a regulating mechanism that absorbs the nutrients our body needs and the rest goes out. There is no need to do precise calorie counting as long as our diet is healthy. But this regulating mechanism can be forced by ingesting food in unusual ways, like bulking up in a cycle of heavy lifting, or going hungry in an intent to lose weight.

Ok. This got my interest. I'm a believer in iifym lifestyle and dieting. Personally,i feel that it works for me in terms of results. So your diet basically comprise of the 'right' food?

[xydboy]

waa u all very cheem. I count calories so I have see an average of how much I eat a week and adjust the quantity across the week.

it's simple and sustainable and allowsme to enjoy food and workout.

I personally used calories in ands out to drop my body fat as I am a layman and wanted to share the perspective here.

I'm not sure how how to account for how much the body burns and what not or go into counting macros and etc. for me not sustainable.

No worries, i share your sentiments =)

[Steve5380]

Ok. This got my interest. I'm a believer in iifym lifestyle and dieting. Personally,i feel that it works for me in terms of results. So your diet basically comprise of the 'right' food?

 

Same here. I have been actively exercising and being careful with food for as long as I can remember.  After a childhood unhappy with my slim and weak body I started to exercise as soon as I overcame my shyness and got the courage to do it.   I progressed extremely slow, but over decades I got a good muscular body that gets me plenty of compliments at middle-age (money cannot buy such satisfaction).  For the last decade I am enjoying my most practical diet:  I am able to like food not for its taste but for how healthy it is according to reliable information.  So I never crave food that "I should not eat".  But I indulge in small amounts of food that some say it is harmful like chocolate ice cream  (hmmm...) that I tolerate perfectly well.  I never count calories and I forgot how much calories there are in the full-fat ice cream I enjoy.  I eat regularly (5 times a day) and I never get hungry.  Since I can remember my weight never fluctuates by more than one or two pounds. (This makes me look like a bump,  because I use my clothes I like until they become rugs because they always stay the same size...)  Somehow I learned to feel when the quantity of good food I eat is adequate, but if I eat more or less my weight still stays the same. 

[Steve5380]

thank u Steve and xdboy bros .. I'll think on ur comments

 

Thank you.  I went into some detail because I read that you are "very much into all things science and work in the RND space". 

 

This is why I argued around a "principle of conservation of energy"  where "calories" are the units of energy.

 

And I am tempted to call on your scientific mind with the fact of the "principle of conservation of mass":

 

One could argue that there should be a delicate balance between the liquids we ingest and the liquids we lose due to sweat, evaporation and if we drink more than what we sweat,evaporate we fill up with edema and if we drink less we dry out.  However, this forgets about a very important organ that precisely regulates the amount of fluid in the body: the kidney.  The kidneys work nearly constantly removing excess liquid from our bodies.  This allows us to drink incredible amounts of clear liquids without problems, and the density of our blood remains closely regulated.

 

Why should there not be a similar mechanism to regulate the mass of our body, with the digestive system constantly removing excess of mass (or calories) to keep us at the optimum size?

Edited September 17, 2015 by Steve5380