Molested / Touched In Public or Private + Profile Of Molester + More men and boys fall prey to molesters but many choose to keep mum(compiled)

[alexchong69]

yes, i agree that too, can work under the table, he may have a giant tool, haha, maybe one day you will love & addicted by his molest

I will continue to hold on for a while until the day I can't stand it anymore I will just quit...

Hope you see this, boss.

[cock brand]

He has been reading this... called me to his room this morning to discuss about work. He sort of hinted

he know about some website talking about him (ya.. he is so direct it scare the shit out of me...)... i pretend I know nothing...

smuck me butt again just before I walk out of his room...

Since you said he is married and has a lover too, unlikely he'll do anything more other than some touching.

My take is, hes not very sure if you are gay and is also wondering if you aware he is.

Perhaps what he is doing is to identify and "reach out"; hes trying to clique with you.

So, go on and clique with him, nothing to lose.

[alexchong69]

Since you said he is married and has a lover too, unlikely he'll do anything more other than some touching.

My take is, hes not very sure if you are gay and is also wondering if you aware he is.

Perhaps what he is doing is to identify and "reach out"; hes trying to clique with you.

So, go on and clique with him, nothing to lose.

I dun think I will open up to him lor. See how far I can take it lor..

[imchaser]

Dear Director,

If you are reading this, forget about Alex. Im willing to let you smack my butt anytime you want, you wont hear any complains from me. Im also willing to serve you and be there when you need a back rub or an executive massage anytime when you are tired from all the meetings. Ill be the first one to show up and the last one to leave just in case you need my attention on certain matters.

Director, i humbly hope that you will consider me and arrange for an interview session by pm me. If you are not hiring, i can volunteer to come and check and fix the wires behind the CPU under your desk.

Your sincerely,

Imchaser

[oralb]

see... one man's meat is another's PLEASURE...

[Guest mexxace]

My dearest director lover,

It all started with one posting in Blowing Wind (BW) by one of my heads of department, Alex. I’m so sorry to cause you all the pain but more importantly please listen to my side of the story before you decided to strip me off my directorship in this blue-chip company that I have built up. I owe what I have today to you.

In case you think I am ungrateful, I will never forget how I work my way up to be among the top directors of your blue-chip companies. The rest of course are just bottom directors who took the wrong steps by working their way down. I earned my position today, dear, by allowing you to smack my ass when I volunteered to be the model for your underwear company. I never complained and you said that my manhood therapy was unrivalled, more so that it was done on your mahogany desktop (of course your shaft did wonder to me too). I was always the last to leave the office because I had to make sure there were no traces of cum in your office in case the other director lover on whom you depended on to get to where you are today) found out.

I knew it was not proper procedure for you to offer me a high post without making me go through an interview. But, I remember clearly you said that the interview was fully completed when I fixed the wires behind the CPU under your desk. In fact, you told HR it was a first class performance ever for a pre-job test. See, I never forget how well you treated and I won’t betray you.

That posting by Alex – my lawyer told me that he has dug his own grave by having it in black and white and making it public in BW forum. I have a strong case to sue him for defamation. With your help, my dear, I am now rich enough to hire the lawyer that was hired by Li Kwan You. Only by suing him will it proves my devotion to you and my innocence.

About the incident in the lift, he was nudging his butt again my modest front. It was crowded and therefore hard to avoid the contact. In fact, it felt like he wanted to get fxxked. Luckily, as what every Director of a good company should be, I exercise restraint. He did not get what he wanted and he started a new topic in BW. That’s typically gay in Singapore.

About the discussion in my room with him, he said in his posting that I complimented him on doing ‘a good job and to keep it up’. Dear, what job was it, is not hard to imagine. You always told me that you will be proud if other guys find me attractive enough to want to do a good ‘job’ to me. So, I let him! And he really did a mind-blowing job even though his mouth was clearly sore from the virtuoso performance. Now, he called it ‘terrified’ in his posting and pretended that it was my ‘advances’ and he shamelessly asked for advice and definitely sympathy in the public.

Like what other gays in the forum said, he should be lucky that I allowed him. If based on the responses in BW, many would be queuing up for a job with me just like many girls would kill to work for Miranda in ‘The devil wears Prada’.

Dear, since it started with BW, I thought it would be appropriate that I made my sincerity to you public in BW. In conclusion, Alex was exaggerating things out proportion – he called it a ‘molest’ which should be called a minor ‘irregularity’ on my part. Never mind, as I said, my lawyer will take care of him. Termination will not remove the anger in me. I will ask HR to pay him the same salary but ask him to just keep on fixing the wires behind the CPU under my desk. This will take immediate effect. This way, I kill two birds with one stone.

My dear, that we are lovers is a public knowledge now – all thanks to Alex. But together we can have the power, fame and wealth to bring more PLUs on their knees. After all, from their BW postings, they can be easily satisfied with gossips and bitching at each other and squabbling over trivial things. You see, what they are good at is oral performances which are very good for our new company as we are expanding into the pink market.

Please keep me as your lover and director, I beg you. I will out-perform Temasek Holdings.

PS: If we you accept me back, which I think you will, we will work on imchaser together. We need young people that age who is bold, visionary and hunger for sex and fun (which is even cheaper!).

[imchaser]

My dearest director lover,

It all started with one posting in Blowing Wind (BW).......

Hey mexxace, u know, its funny when i first did it, but then when u did what i did, its just get confusing, I think u got mix up with who an who in this office relationship.

Edited August 19, 2009 by imchaser

[Guest mexxace]

Hey mexxace, u know, its funny when i first did it, but then when u did what i did, its just get confusing, I think u got mix up with who an who in this office relationship.

Not at all. Not at all. You cannot follow my story. Remember Alex said the Director has another lover who is also a gay director? Let's differentiate him by calling him 'director' with a small 'd'. The Director who 'molests' and whom you wrote to is 'Director' with a capital 'D'. My story is simply 'D' wrote an open letter in BW to 'd'. 'd' is of course more powerful who elevated 'D' to where he is today.

Well, many are readers but not many are GOOD readers. I understand my entry was too long and many gay readers here don't have the patience to plough through it because like all gays, we like quickies, don't we?

[Guest cute-horny]

Well, many are readers but not many are GOOD readers. I understand my entry was too long and many gay readers here don't have the patience to plough through it because like all gays, we like quickies, don't we?

[AsianSon05]

Dear Director,

If you are reading this, forget about Alex. Im willing to let you smack my butt anytime you want, you wont hear any complains from me. Im also willing to serve you and be there when you need a back rub or an executive massage anytime when you are tired from all the meetings. Ill be the first one to show up and the last one to leave just in case you need my attention on certain matters.

Director, i humbly hope that you will consider me and arrange for an interview session by pm me. If you are not hiring, i can volunteer to come and check and fix the wires behind the CPU under your desk.

Your sincerely,

Imchaser

Very ingenious, Imchaser...Hahahaha. :clap: Had me in stitches. Hmm, on a serious note.. wonder if really the Director is a guest here reading all our postings about his mini "scandal"?! If so... dear Mr. Director, of Mr. Alex's company, if you area mature late 40's silver daddy type, PLS PM or email me at this personal address : y33boon83@yahoo.com .It would be our little "office" tryst! Hehe :whistle:

[cock brand]

Someone showed me Alex's Director & director in last year's Fancy Dress D&D

We fully understand your predicament :smokin:

Imchaser, you're still keen? :whistle:

[Guest mexxace]

MEMORANDUM

Date: 20 Aug 2009

To: All employees of BottomMen Holding Co.

From: Director designate, Versatile Runway Inc

It is with much pleasure that I announce the formation of Versatile Runway Inc as from 30 August 2009. The mission of this new dynamic company is to cater to the increasing needs of the gay community for more versatile sex partners since most of the existing tops will soon join the rank of the senior community and thus not able to achieve consistent peak performance or not perform at all. The only way for them to remain desirable is to become versatile, hence Versatile Runway.

Our strategic direction is to capture the growth of this pink dollar market so as to provide a good return for our gay shareholders.

As employees, you should contribute and benefit by helping to headhunt suitable employees for Versatile Runway. Through our thorough market survey, we find the following examples well-suited for our employment (we withhold their real names to avoid defamation suit):

• Alax : Director, Publicity (probation period: indefinite)

• Cute-horney: Manager, extreme pleasure (probation period: 2 minutes)

• tkoong: Manager, HR (probation period: 3 months)

• Kockbrand: Head, Counselling or Assistant head, Marketing(probation: depends on meeting sale or counselling targets)

• Asianson055: Manager, re-hiring of retired men (probation period: up to retirement age of 62)

• imchasing: Designer, runway (probation period: one day, another day you might be out)

If the applicants recommended by you are successful, you will get to choose any versatile gays on our runway whose job is to provide nothing less of total satisfaction for our customers, shareholders and Directors.

Please join me in congratulating BottomMen Holding Co and Versatile Runway Inc for this visionary venture for which ‘breakthrough’ aptly describes its arrival.

Thank you.

[imchaser]

Dear my dear Mr. Director,

First of all, on behalf of the fakers and jokers in this thread that either mocking or posing sir and wrote silly stuff, i appologize on behalf of them.

Director, its been 4 days since i posted u a message in this thread. I know u r a very busy and successful businesman and need to attend alots of meetings and functions, but i really do hope that u will spend like 5 minutes to give me a reply. Ive been checking my pm so frequently every day hoping that ill receive a message from u but everytime i log in i get nothing. This has been affecting my performance and as well as my sleep a little. But im not telling u all these to give u the pressure, sir. It just prooves that i treat matters seriously and this shall be my major skills that every good employee shall have. Sir, u wont regret if u decide to hire me, i assure u.

As to show my sincererity to work under u, i had rejected a few offers from major company, cos i believe theres no one in the world that fits and can be my perfect boss than u sir. And for my added skills to an already impressive resume, ive taken up a massage lesson which they specializes in "Executive massage" techniques, fits for giving busy and tired Directors and Ceos in the comfort of their office room, just perfect for u , sir. And if this helps on your consideration, i will not expect any year end bonuses, all i need and want is to serve u and some butt smacking morale boosting encouragement once a while.

I hope my second open letter for u this time will get a reply from u, sir. I shall wait patiently to receive the overdue reply from u...

Your slave favorite future employee,

Imchaser

[Guest mexxace]

Versatile Runway Inc.

‘We work both ways to serve you better’69, Thousand Men Street

Singapore 696969

22 August 2009

To: imchaser, Senior member, Blowing Wind

From: Director, Versatile Runway Inc

Thank you for open letter today which prompted this quick reply. It is most gratifying to learn of your persistence in pursuing your interest to join our company – something we value in our employees. I do believe such persistence is a reflection of your manhood based on our industry experience.

As you are aware, I am extremely busy running Versatile Runway Inc alone right now as we are only starting to recruit. As the Directors from our subsidiaries have very good physical relationship with senior officers from the Ministry of Promiscuity, we ran a quick security check on you and found one very impressive thing about your background – you have a total of 708 postings to date in BW. This means you are the kind of employees we want to hire. Your added strength is that we suspected you posted in BW even during office hours – we need dedicated employees like you who keep constant touch (pun intended) with our potential clients.

However, imchaser, you did not indicate in your letter which company you wish to apply to and I assume that it is Versatile Runway because you seemed more interested in me. But, I need to caution you. If you join our holding company, BottomMen, you will be very handsomely paid. But, if you choose to join my company, Versatile Runway, (which I hope you do), we may not be able to pay well because generally, versatiles are not valued as much as pure tops or bottoms. The reason is versatiles are neither here nor there. Their market value and employability is therefore lower. In fact, we need to send them to join the government workskills upgrading schemes.

Now if you do a profile check on our company, you will know that it is important for you to tell us your vital statistics other than your personal particulars and work history although we took note of your very impressive resume. The statistics you need to provide are: the length of your anus (sorry, rectum), the pulsating power of your penis, the roundness of your tits and when hard, the maximum diameter each will dilate. There are more. We need you to go through a physical test to be conducted by me personally. Our customers are very demanding but they are willing to pay for quality.

Last but not least, we hope you are seeing someone now or are attached or intend to attach. Our company emphasizes family value (as we follow the present government) in order to get their subsidy. A happily married man (or woman in our case) is more productive than one who sleeps around because they always end up spending a lot of their time and energy starting new topics in BW and/or bitch at each other at the forum there.

Judging by your two letters in BW to me, I can feel that you are genuine about joining our company. But I am only using my cock to think and not my brain. Nevertheless, I would love to have you in my team. However, I still need to inform HR to set up a job interview –the proper procedure. Otherwise, the busybodies and those nothings-better-to-do in BW will start new topics. I hope you understand.

Looking forward to see you at the interview soon. Remember to bring quality lube and clean every orifices of your body for the physical test.

Yours sincerely,

Director

[Bimarriedtampchn]

Just now in a packed bus, I was molested by a china guy. It was so packed that the back of his palm was against my crotch. then people started pushing and his palms was then against my crotch liao. I could not endure and i got hard. I think he felt my hardness and started pressing against my crotch harder. I think he thought that since i "didnt know" that he was pressing against my crotch, he even squeezed a bit. i pretend not to notice and continued to let him squeeze. Wah liao, it felt shiok to be touched under such circumstance. Anyone had similar experience?

[Guest boy2man]

Yup, I had a similar experience recently, in the MRT as well. In the train from Raffles Place to Bugis and was squeezed body to body facing with this well-dressed and built exec guy around 30+. We were doing a bit of rubba-rubba against each other and trying to make sure no one could notice. Haha

[Guest Agnes]

Just now in a packed bus, I was molested by a china guy. It was so packed that the back of his palm was against my crotch. then people started pushing and his palms was then against my crotch liao. I could not endure and i got hard. I think he felt my hardness and started pressing against my crotch harder. I think he thought that since i "didnt know" that he was pressing against my crotch, he even squeezed a bit. i pretend not to notice and continued to let him squeeze. Wah liao, it felt shiok to be touched under such circumstance. Anyone had similar experience?

No big deal...

[Guest Guest]

what no big deal?

Experiences like this when you least expect and out in the public are the most kinky.

Bet TS kept thinking about it even after alighting from the bus.

[sohorny]

anyone tried to molest guys on public transports?

Edited April 21, 2010 by sohorny

[Guest guidelines deeply]

Just now in a packed bus, I was molested by a china guy. It was so packed that the back of his palm was against my crotch. then people started pushing and his palms was then against my crotch liao. I could not endure and i got hard. I think he felt my hardness and started pressing against my crotch harder. I think he thought that since i "didnt know" that he was pressing against my crotch, he even squeezed a bit. i pretend not to notice and continued to let him squeeze. Wah liao, it felt shiok to be touched under such circumstance. Anyone had similar experience?

Bet your underwear and trousers also get wet from the shiokness.

Lucky you didn't shoot, otherwise neighbouring people also can smell.

[Guest boy2man]

Bet your underwear and trousers also get wet from the shiokness.

Lucky you didn't shoot, otherwise neighbouring people also can smell.

How do you know he didn't shoot? Ha...

[recklessbootlegger]

Yup Happened a few times to me. On bus and on train. If the guy is cute ok... if not.. umm...

Most recent was from MRT from Orchard to Bishan. Same thing, packed and the guy's hand was at my crotch. I enjoyed the ride la, I am sure he did too.

[Guest Guest]

anyone tried to molest guys on public transports?

Aiyo how do you expect people to answer.

Should say accidentally touch, and must be careful, later people dun like go report you then jialat liao.

[Guest Guest]

For me, I have no complaint about molested by a cute hot dude.

[Guest Nice Encounter]

I have a similar encounter too in mrt:

I was boarding the MRT from Raffles Place back to Redhill after work last week. As it is peak hr, there was a surge of passengers boarding the train. I was naturally being pushed in. When i was in the train, i was standing right behind this fit looking chinese exec with a tight working pants. He is well-groomed and was carrying his brief case. My crotch was hard pressed against his tight bum as the train was crowded. I m not sure if he realised that i got a hard-on as the train moved and the train jerk at times, thus enabling my crotch to rub against his tigh canal between his bums. I got so hard on and i think he felt it. but he did not show any protest. maybe he was also enjoying it. When i alighted in redhill, i walked past him and he gave me a smily look. nice train ride.

For me, I have no complaint about molested by a cute hot dude.

[Guest guest]

there was once after work , the train was not so packed actually , i saw a cute uncle （late 40s )who looked like ( 许关文 ） and he noticed that i was looking at him. habbitually, i put my hand in my pocket and was resting against the side wall of the 1st seat and closed my eyes to rest ; then i felt something was pressing against my hand that was put in the pocket . i opened my eyes slowly, and it was the uncle's 'didi'' against mine...he winked at me and i just smiled back. he became more daring and pressed against my hand and i griped his..cool , he was hard then...the mrt has started to get packed hence no one was noticing it. then i have small talk with him and well, he came to my house and we just jo tog...he asked for my hp but somehow i was not attentive and i gave him a wrong number .... we never see each other again ... to me it was a strange encounter ...

[Bimarriedtampchn]

there was once after work , the train was not so packed actually , i saw a cute uncle （late 40s )who looked like ( 许关文 ） and he noticed that i was looking at him. habbitually, i put my hand in my pocket and was resting against the side wall of the 1st seat and closed my eyes to rest ; then i felt something was pressing against my hand that was put in the pocket . i opened my eyes slowly, and it was the uncle's 'didi'' against mine...he winked at me and i just smiled back. he became more daring and pressed against my hand and i griped his..cool , he was hard then...the mrt has started to get packed hence no one was noticing it. then i have small talk with him and well, he came to my house and we just jo tog...he asked for my hp but somehow i was not attentive and i gave him a wrong number .... we never see each other again ... to me it was a strange encounter ...

Haha, nice encounter. Can i know how you all strategically placed yourself or walk into the train so that you get molested by the right or cute or handsome or muscular fit guys strategically? It all so happened that the people who molested you are people you guys like. Soooo good. Yearning to get molested again though. Anyone can teach how to place myself strategically so that i become an opportunity for guys to molest me in the train/bus? Haha....

[Tachyons]

Yah loh ... I also want to learn how to be molested ... Maybe I not cute enough ....

[Guest schn]

the closest experience i had was many years ago (can't even remember when), i was on the mrt holding to one of the poles, then this guy shorter than me, he keep moving closer and closer to me such that his arm gently pressed on my crotch.. although it was not so crowded then. and don't know is it due to instinct of NOT wanting to be molested, i stare at him angrily and he moved away.

now that i think of it, i wish i had the courage to continue to be molested like that.

[imchaser]

Me myself have been violated a few times in a pack train, in front and behind, but not gonna elaborate further.

But as a molester, its easy to recognize your prey. Your radar and eye contact should tell whether the other guy is gay or not, so just stick to him when going in a sandwich pack train and after a few "accidental" touching and grinding, one can tell whether the guy allowed himself to be violated or not. If he allows u, he wont bulge even a bit.

My personal favorite would be my hand placed on my sling bag, and pressing the butt cheek of the guy in front with the back of my palm.

[tyan]

How I wish I have this kind of encounter. But unfortunately, I always take the bus from the 1st stop (harbourfront). Never will I have a chance to stand cos I always managed to catch a seat and all the way to Sengkang. For bus, i seldom need to take too.

[Guest grabmybulge]

i got similar experience also.

that time i was in mrt in the morning, from aljunied to cityhall.

it was packed.

i always saw this sporty guy who took the the train almost at the same timing as me.

he saw me a few times and i guess he recognised me always there to take mrt too.

so one time, we entered the same train door.

yeah it was already packed. i went in first and he was infront of me, backfacing me.

that time he was wearing a muscle tee. i could scrutinise his built quite well.

yeah he was hot, with a well built physique. and i got hardon.

his hands were holding his sling bag behind, just in front of my crotch. and i always wear tight fitting pants.

so he felt my bulge la. i din try to move away as i quite enjoyed him rubbing his hands against my bulge. haha

[just_me22]

i got similar experience also.

that time i was in mrt in the morning, from aljunied to cityhall.

it was packed.

i always saw this sporty guy who took the the train almost at the same timing as me.

he saw me a few times and i guess he recognised me always there to take mrt too.

so one time, we entered the same train door.

yeah it was already packed. i went in first and he was infront of me, backfacing me.

that time he was wearing a muscle tee. i could scrutinise his built quite well.

yeah he was hot, with a well built physique. and i got hardon.

his hands were holding his sling bag behind, just in front of my crotch. and i always wear tight fitting pants.

so he felt my bulge la. i din try to move away as i quite enjoyed him rubbing his hands against my bulge. haha

wow.. hot experience!

[snowball]

if you enjoy it, it no longer consider " Molested " right? :twisted:

[Guest surelyugessian]

all the "target" mentioned here seem to be youngish types.

any exp. about molesting ah pek?

a lot of times, trains going towards kranji station on friday evenings are jammed full of chubby fat ah peks.

[Bimarriedtampchn]

Anyone got molested recently? I heard abt a guy molesting ppl during the crowded expo fairs. Not sure if he is boasting. Cos, IT fairs not so crowded that he can actually do that. ANyone had similar experience?

[imran]

Anyone got molested recently? I heard abt a guy molesting ppl during the crowded expo fairs. Not sure if he is boasting. Cos, IT fairs not so crowded that he can actually do that. ANyone had similar experience?

u kena molest ah? by ah pek? i wanna b victim by young pple..he

[Guest Guest]

Anyone got molested recently? I heard abt a guy molesting ppl during the crowded expo fairs. Not sure if he is boasting. Cos, IT fairs not so crowded that he can actually do that. ANyone had similar experience?

Oh if you are talking about those IT fairs held in suntec or expo, actually can le. Its so crowded at times, you are literally sandwiched between people. Sometimes no choice, you accidentally touch people. And most of the time they dun even know who touch them.

[snowball]

even the train & bus not packed, you can get molested too, esp double decker bus, have the habit taking a " nap " during the journey, so some may pretend to sit beside you even upper deck many empty seats, they will waiting the chance to feel you & pamper your " little brother" .

[Bimarriedtampchn]

even the train & bus not packed, you can get molested too, esp double decker bus, have the habit taking a " nap " during the journey, so some may pretend to sit beside you even upper deck many empty seats, they will waiting the chance to feel you & pamper your " little brother" .

How is it possible? you mean the molester pretend to take a nap then molest your little brother? or you the molester sit next to a guy who is napping and while he is sleeping, touch his little brother? Molester so daring? Is against the law.

[ten]

How is it possible? you mean the molester pretend to take a nap then molest your little brother? or you the molester sit next to a guy who is napping and while he is sleeping, touch his little brother? Molester so daring? Is against the law.

Is possible. I have personally experience that. I took a bus from the interchange and got on to the upper deck. I was all alone on the upper deck until the bus reached it's first stop, a man got up to the upper deck and chose to sit next to me given the fact that all other seats are empty. I closed my eyes trying to sleep and maybe he thought I am asleep; I can felt he slowly touching my thigh with his fingers. Maybe he sees I no response and he became more daring and rest his palm on my thigh. I then opened my eye and he retreat his hands and gave me a smile. Then he strike a conversation with me and even invite me to his house, I rejected him as he wasn't my type and a while later he alighted.

[sfguy123]

well i wouldn't say i was molested on a bus or train, but i did get a great bj on the bart train here in sf,ca.. there known to be last ride action where the bus is on it's last run for the even 12am... from the east bay to san francisco stop it's about 12 stops to downtown 15 to my area of town so at 10:00pm i took the train all the out to the last stop in the east bay got off and sat and waited for the train to turn around to go back to san francisco, there was another older gentlemen waiting also as we boarded the train he gave me a BIG smile and grabbed his crotch... so we sat next to each and talked alittle then he unzipped my jeans and blew me, it was nice and wet but i only lasted 20mins before i blew my fat load that he glup down... this was when i was in college and not many people take bart that late at night...

[hardened1978]

[Frey]

Haha, nice encounter. Can i know how you all strategically placed yourself or walk into the train so that you get molested by the right or cute or handsome or muscular fit guys strategically? It all so happened that the people who molested you are people you guys like. Soooo good. Yearning to get molested again though. Anyone can teach how to place myself strategically so that i become an opportunity for guys to molest me in the train/bus? Haha....

This FTW.

I've never had one myself.

[Guest poool]

anybodi kana molested incamp?? or u knew/heard ppl molest other ppl??

[handsomechub]

im the molester in the camp..wannna hear the stories?

[Guest hmmm]

i think i'd rather not talk about camp stuff. for the sake of our gay brothers who are serving the nation, let's not make their lives any worst or break their rice bowl...

[CamperBoy]

i think i'd rather not talk about camp stuff. for the sake of our gay brothers who are serving the nation, let's not make their lives any worst or break their rice bowl...

And how would the sharing "break their rice bowl"...?

[Guest DreaMer]

I think sharing is ok as long as we dun reveal names and appt....no one will know....best dun sae camp....

[GachiMuchi]

Dear fellow BWers,

Please do contribute stories but please do not reveal too much details when it comes to actual person/s because we never know who will be reading the topic as this is a public forum.