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Steve5380 · December 18, 2020

13 minutes ago, Guest first gay? said:

He is not yet there, due to the requirement for Senate confirmation, but you should have written the first "openly gay" Cabinet Member...

I guess, there had been gay or bi Federal Government/ Cabinet Members before... 😁

You are right. "Openly gay" would be the correct way.

Although we know perfectly well that there are and have been gays in any position that a human being can occupy.

Maybe I was influenced by much of the media who acts like gays are a recent invention...

December 18, 2020

here you permanent brawl birds Guest Guest n Steve: Some food for more fights:🤪

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https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/12/17/jim-hormel-buttigieg-not-grenell-will-be-the-first-out-lgbtq-cabinet-official/

Jim Hormel: Buttigieg, not Grenell, will be the first out LGBTQ Cabinet official

In the aftermath of President-elect Joe Biden nominating Pete Buttigieg as secretary of transportation, the left and right are at each other’s throats over whether Biden’s pick will be the first openly gay Cabinet official, or if that distinction belongs to former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell — but one appointee who achieved a historic first for the LGBTQ community says the honor falls to Buttigieg.

Former U.S. Ambassador to Luxembourg Jim Hormel, who became the first openly gay U.S. ambassador in 1999 after President Bill Clinton gave him the job through a recess appointment, downplayed Grenell on Thursday and said the real achievement “as the first openly LGBTQ member of the presidential Cabinet” goes to Buttigieg.

“Pete Buttigieg will be nominated as secretary of transportation, subject to confirmation by the Senate,” Hormel said. “Following his approval he will serve with full authority at the will of the president. He will be the first official openly LGBT member of the Cabinet. His appointment, if approved, will be a milestone.”

Hormel, now 87 and responding to an inquiry from the Washington Blade via email, said the basis for rejecting Grenell’s appointment as a first for the LGBTQ community rests with the word “acting” in the Trump appointee’s title.

“The president may appoint an individual to be temporary ‘acting’ head of an agency, bureau or department,” Hormel said. “That appointee can serve in that capacity for a limited period of time without being confirmed by the Senate. Trump has used ‘acting’ appointments time and again, thus avoiding Senate inquiries and investigations.”

Like Grenell, Hormel never won Senate confirmation for his presidential appointment. Conservative senators, including the late Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) and former Sen. John Ashcroft (R-Mo.), refused to allow the Senate to confirm Hormel explicitly on the basis of his being gay. Clinton had to short-circuit the process, using his presidential powers to grant Hormel a recess appointment.

But Hormel at least sought Senate approval for his role. Grenell neither sought nor obtained confirmation as acting director of national intelligence, although he had won confirmation for his concurrent role as U.S. ambassador to Germany.

Even though Hormel and Grenell had similarities in not obtaining Senate confirmation, Hormel said his “situation differed in two ways.”

“First, the hierarchy within the State Department is unique,” Hormel explained. “In the absence of an ambassador there is a charge‘ d’affaires who assumes the duties of ambassador. There is no ‘acting’ position per se. Secondly, in my case, I went through the process of confirmation, but the Senate was prevented from voting. The president then made a recess appointment, and I went to my post fully accredited.”

Grenell, who didn’t respond to a request for comment for this article, has largely stayed away from the fray on social media on who gets to be called the first openly gay Cabinet member.

However, Grenell upon leaving his post as acting DNI this year posted on Instagram that Trump gave him his chair from the Cabinet room and told him being the first openly gay Cabinet official was a “big deal.”

Grenell also said during the election in a video that he was the “first openly gay Cabinet member,” which he said demonstrates Trump is “the most pro-gay” president ever despite the anti-LGBTQ record the administration has built. (The Log Cabin video, though widely seen, was also criticized for inaccuracies and taking facts and quotes out of context.

During the Biden team’s announcement on Wednesday, Buttigieg was careful in his language about the milestone he was setting out to achieve and said his nomination marked “the first time an American president has ever sent an openly LGBTQ cabinet nominee to the Senate for confirmation.”

But Buttigieg also recognized he was following in the footsteps of LGBTQ pioneers, explicitly recognizing Hormel’s achievement.

“I can remember watching the news, 17 years old and seeing a story about an appointee of President Clinton, named to be an ambassador, attacked and ultimately denied a vote in the Senate, because he was gay — ultimately able to serve only by a recess appointment,” Buttigieg said.

Buttigieg, who made history as a gay Democratic candidate in the 2020 primary said at the time his career aspiration was to become an airline pilot and “was a long way from coming out, even to myself,” but gained knowledge from Hormel’s story.

“I learned about some of the limits that exist in this country when it comes to who is allowed to belong, and just as important, I saw how those limits could be challenged,” Buttigieg said. “So, two decades later, I can’t help but think of a 17-year-old who might be watching right now, someone who wonders whether and where they belong in the world, or even in their own family, and I’m thinking about the message today’s announcement is sending to them.”

Hormel, in the email to the Blade the day after Buttigieg praised him, was able to return the favor by offering support.

“I enthusiastically support the nomination of Pete Buttigieg as secretary of transportation and will acknowledge him as the first openly LGBTQ member of the presidential Cabinet,” Hormel said.

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Addendum Note

Grenell was the worst US Ambassador to Germany ever and shun for being invited to public events or official functions (The worst that can happen in diplomacy).

But, I hope he enjoyed the gay scene in Berlin.

At least he did not need to climb down the pipes of a building to escape police officers....

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Richard Grenell: An American Ambassador Leaves Berlin

Foreign Policy June 9, 2020

Stephen F. Szabo

Senior Fellow

The American Institute for Contemporary German Studies
1776 Massachusetts Avenue NW, Suite 600, Washington, DC 20036

In 1959, Eugene Burdick and William Lederer published a best-selling novel, The Ugly American. It was a searing critique of the American professional diplomatic corps and the lack of cultural knowledge and sensitivity of American officials serving in a southeast Asian country. A recent review described the central argument:

The book depicts the rampant arrogance and ineptitude Burdick and Lederer witnessed in the American diplomatic corps in recent years. They criticized American envoys for their unwillingness to learn their new environs, their insistence on knowing what was best for locals without ever speaking a word to them, or for busying themselves with galas or entertaining American officials on visits. “What we have written is not just an angry dream,” the authors wrote in the introduction, “but rather the rendering of fact into fiction” based on the real diplomats they encountered.

The book so impressed then-senator John F. Kennedy that he sent copies to all the members of the U.S. Senate and it proved to be the inspiration for the Peace Corps.

Today the American diplomatic corps is no longer guilty of cultural ignorance of the countries in which they serve; in contrast, they are trained in the nation’s language, history, culture, and politics for over a year before their posting. This is certainly the case for the U.S. Embassy Berlin, in which the best and brightest of the U.S. Foreign Service are posted. With the beginning of the Cold War, the U.S. sent some of its most experienced people to serve as ambassadors and top officials to Germany, people with backgrounds in foreign affairs, business, law, and the military like John McCloy, Kenneth Rush, Vernon Walters, Richard Burt, Robert Kimmitt, and Richard Holbrooke, along with State Department Germany hands like Martin Hillenbrand, John Kornblum, and J.D. Bindenagel.

The problem today is not with the Foreign Service, but with the system of political appointees who are given plum postings on the basis of campaign donations rather than deep policy or regional expertise. The Trump administration has hit a new high in this regard, with 45 percent of its ambassadorial appointments going to political appointees. This compares to 30 percent in the Obama administration and 32 percent under George W. Bush, figures which were already too high. Almost all U.S. embassies in Europe are headed by political appointees. The average contribution to the Trump campaign by politically-appointed ambassadors was $189,448. This compares to $12,916 in the Reagan administration. The following chart shows trends in campaign contributions by career and political appointees.

Nominee Contributions Since 1980 via Lawfare

A recent comprehensive comparison of political versus career appointees found the following:

First, since 1980, the average political nominee has been materially less qualified than the average career nominee under a number of standard measures, including language ability, knowledge of the receiving state and its region, and experience in U.S. foreign policy and organizational leadership.

Take, for instance, the issue of language. The certificates suggest that while 66 percent of career nominees possessed a degree of prior aptitude in the receiving state’s principal language, the same was true of only 56 percent of political nominees. […] Upon excluding ambassadorships to English-speaking states, the gap was even larger (56 percent versus 28 percent). In short, a sizable portion of nominees have been completely unable to communicate in the most relevant foreign tongue—and this is particularly true of those who come from outside the foreign service.

Richard Grenell, who announced his resignation as ambassador on June 2, did not get his job through financial contributions, but rather through his work as a media personality and organizer for numerous conservative groups and politicians, most notably as a media assistant for John Bolton during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and as a commentator on Fox News. Unlike his Western and Russian counterparts, but like most of his predecessors, he did not speak German but was adept at the uses of new media. He saw his role as ambassador as one articulating an unabashed Trumpian view of the world. He told Breitbart News in a 2018 interview at his Berlin residence, “I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left.”

He did not see himself as a diplomat and has received praise from the right for his advocacy of this worldview: “He’s probably done more television spots than most of our other ambassadors talking back to us about why the president is acting the way he is in Europe and Germany,” said Kiron Skinner, an associate professor of international relations at Carnegie Mellon University and a Fox contributor who served as Director of Policy Planning at the State Department in 2018-19. “I think it’s been very helpful to both sides of the Atlantic.”

The main advantage of a political appointee is that she or he may have the president’s ear and can bring attention to issues in the relationship which the White House can miss. As a former U.S. Ambassador to Germany, John Kornblum,[1] put it:

Rather than grumbling about the different tone of Ambassador Grenell’s statements, it would be better to take advantage of the chance to talk with someone who is not afraid to reflect the President’s views and who has access to his senior assistants. Whether one likes what the Ambassador says or not, he can be an important interpreter between Germany and a President who seems bored with most diplomatic duties.

This was the case with such former political appointee ambassadors as Richard Holbrooke or Robert Kimmitt, whose direct line to the White House was valued by German policymakers. Past American envoys like Vernon Walters, Richard Burt, Holbrooke, and Kornblum have hardly been shrinking violets and challenged the conventional wisdom in Germany. As Henry Nau, has observed, there is a case for Trump’s foreign policy, especially regarding Europe. In Nau’s words,

Overall, Trump’s nationalist/realist policies may be just what the doctor prescribed to sustain the global world order. I say that as an internationalist who would prefer a more value-oriented and less crude approach. Previous presidents talked about sharing burdens and rebalancing trade, yet did little to achieve them. Their internationalist approach reassured allies, and those allies, feeling no pressure, continued to free ride on America’s leadership. Any real change required a root and branch approach. Trump ripped up the ironclad American commitment to global security and world trade—or at least convincingly threatened to do so—and allies and trading partners began paying attention. Now, in a way, the future of globalism depends more on what they do than on what the United States does. After seventy-five years under American tutelage, they will either accept equal global responsibilities in both security and trade, or nationalism will pull them and the United States “back to the future.”

Richard Grenell made this case in a Germany that had been sleepwalking for many years under the cautious leadership of Angela Merkel and a tired Grand Coalition government. Trump’s and Grenell’s frustrations with Germany were shared by the Obama administration as well, and Nau has a point that the less confrontational style of the Obama years and the president’s close relationship with Angela Merkel did not change anything in German policy—although Obama was clearly frustrated with what he saw as European freeriding.

And just because a person is seen as obnoxious does not mean that she or he is always wrong. Grenell had valid critiques to make about such issues as the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia, and the state of German defense. He was right to raise concerns about Chancellor Merkel’s willingness to allow Huawei to participate in Germany’s 5G network.

Yet he leaves Berlin with the American position in Germany far weaker than he found it. A recent poll supported by the Körber Stiftung shows that 37 percent of Germans found it more important to cooperate with the U.S. while 36 percent preferred working more closely with China. As recently as September 2019, Germans prioritized relations with the U.S. over those with China by a 50-24 margin.

Only 10 percent felt that the U.S. is Germany’s most important partner and only about one-third believed that German-American relations were good compared to two-thirds who believed they were bad. The coronavirus has resulted in the deterioration of the American image for 73 percent of Germans polled compared to 36 percent whose view of China has deteriorated.

Trump more than Grenell is responsible for this decline, but clearly Grenell’s take-no-prisoners approach has alienated the political class in Berlin and the broader attentive public. His openly stated purpose of empowering right-wing forces in Europe clearly crossed the line of what is permissible and wise for diplomats to do, especially in a country with Germany’s past with the extreme right and the current rise of the Alternative for Germany (AfD). A number of political leaders called for his recall at various times and he is clearly persona non grata to the chancellor.

A key role of any ambassador is to find ways to make a case for his government’s policies with key decision-makers in the host country. In contrast, Grenell’s only concern was to please his president and in doing so, made it more difficult for Germany to do what the U.S. wants. Any call for increased defense spending is resisted with the rationale that “we won’t do it if Trump is for it.” The same holds on China policy, the new fulcrum for the German-American relationship. Grenell’s open opposition to Huawei has made it more difficult for those Germans, including the security and intelligence services, to oppose Huawei’s growing role in Germany. On Nord Stream 2, American reservations are well founded but the rationale of the Trump administration to block the project is seen in Berlin as based more on the desire to sell American LNG to Germany rather than on sound strategic concern regarding Russian influence. Germany today is not the semi-sovereign West Germany that was totally dependent on the U.S. for its security, a nation trying to recover its self-confidence and looking to America as an ersatz Vaterland or model to emulate. This is no longer the case and a bullying style only sets off the desire for a more independent policy.

Grenell also failed in one of the most critical roles of an ambassador: that of conveying the views and interests of the country in which he is serving. He was a one-way megaphone who did not try to make the case in Washington for a major American ally. Contrast this to the smooth functioning of the two governments during the diplomacy of German unification led by James Baker’s State Department. The American image in Germany has never been as high as it was then. When the relationship hit a low during the Iraq war, diplomats did their job. As one former American official who was involved in German-American relations during German unification and the Iraq war told me:

There are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable and Grenell failed on this. I know plenty of U.S. FSOs who had to represent the USG’s Iraq policies (during GW Bush) who hated doing it but did it responsibly and avoided unnecessary criticisms of Germany when it didn’t approve of the invasion. This was done to limit damage when the Cheney/Rumsfeld crowd was very angry at Germany. Those diplomats earned their salaries in the face of tough disagreements without breaking the bonds of trust among diplomats, soldiers, and spies. I wonder if there’s as much trust among the professionals in both foreign services now.

Richard Grenell’s exit will not make things miraculously improve. Grenell in a parting tweet stated, “You make a big mistake if you think the American pressure is off. You don’t know Americans.” This has been followed up by his parting gift , the announcement of the unilateral withdrawal of 9,500 American military personnel from Germany, about one-quarter of the total stationed there. The leadership of the U.S. diplomatic mission falls to Charge d’Affaires Robin Quinville, a Foreign Service Officer who is fluent in German and a diplomat with extensive German and European experience. She may have the same brief as her predecessor but will be taken seriously by her German counterparts. She will deliver the message in a professional manner but will lack the connection to the Trump administration’s inner circle. She will be in damage control mode, but that is the best that can be hoped for prior to the American election.

Yet the damage has been substantial and a swift recovery is unlikely.

upshot · December 18, 2020

The myopic simpleton mentality who go goo-goo-ga-ga just because its a GAY man. That's all that matter... screw the fact this Pete is FIRST AND FOREMOST another bloody manipulating ambition politician WHO HAPPEN TO BE GAY. But hey, the moronic spotlight should be on that he is GAY.. he is all good. God's gift of goodness. Be damn if this simpleton actually follow or track his career all this time to see if he is actually a good person or even competent or pretending. He is Gay. So he's good. Playing the Gay card all the way to the White House.

Biden Taps MAYOR PETE For Transportation After Mocking Lack Of Experience During Campaign
https://youtu.be/ZO5C4F2KEFo

Pete Buttigieg REWARDED For Fulfilling Mission During Primary!
https://youtu.be/VKSi1g93qGU

https://www.alternet.org/2020/02/pete-buttigieg-is-a-wall-street-democrat-beholden-to-corporate-interests/

Edited December 18, 2020 by upshot

December 18, 2020

I am really keen to see what this Pete Buttigieg has to say about getting conferred such a debatable and dubious honor of being the first gay whatever and whatever. Will he so happily and shamelessly accept that acknowledgement which will just show his lack of honor? If he does, he will just be showing us all how lacking integrity the entire Cabinet is going to be, just like how Biden has supposedly won the election.

Or will he openly acknowledge that he is not the first, which will give his supporters a tight slap across all their faces? Hmmmmm.....

How will he react?

December 18, 2020

15 minutes ago, upshot said:

Biden Taps MAYOR PETE For Transportation After Mocking Lack Of Experience During Campaign
https://youtu.be/ZO5C4F2KEFo

Lack experience still can become Sec of Transport? Lol.... And I thought such things only happen in third world "democracy" like Singapore. How the mighty have fallen....hahahahaha.

December 18, 2020

Here's a photo of Richard Grenell with President Trump.

Below is with his partner.

upshot · December 18, 2020

2 hours ago, Guest FirstGayCabinet said:

Here's a photo of Richard Grenell with President Trump.

Below is with his partner.

Trump's side has a number of LGBTQ staffers but the news media censor so much you almost never hear it and lazy people who do not try to find them and listen to left wing bias come to a local site to give only their bias side and win our approval for their left wing Dem narrative.. is hoping very hard, we are too lazy to dig. The level of censorship you get in social media for the last decade is so far left dominated, if you are not digging hard, you never get the balance or whole story on anything. Politics is dirty but when on side sweep theirs under a controlled media platform and only show you the other side. There is much to be worry not just for us centralist, moderate left or right. If they can hid this today, what will they do tomorrow even if we are support the left today. What if there is a left wing politician we hate and want to vote him out.. problems is you have no means to do it . I don't give a fuck who gets the position so long he does it well.. and if he or she does it well but is also happens to be a LGBTQ... I am MORE than fine about it. ANYTHING else is suspect to me now thanks to the left wing DEM. A black guy is given a role or job, I have to think, did he earn it or given as a token? If a gay man got an award or promotion, was it due to his gay card or was he good? Hope fair is that? And on top of that... media is left wing DEM owned about 95% and many almost daily censor or refuse to publish the whole truth to let the mass decide. What they do is, always make their side seem good, distract you with a diversity message or image or simply shout you down, not talk about it or make edited cuts to distort. Look how they cover Hunter Biden's notebook caper. Many examples of this. If there is smoke, there is fire. Simple as that. They fight so hard to protect the left beyond anything till even if they did wrong and terrible things, they are never picked up on and report to protect their reputation at all cost. I like to call it out for what it is. I am not right or left. Even if someone save my life and next day I caught him doing an evil thing, I would still criticize him. That is fair and balance. You call it for what it is not for what you think might damage your 'team'. That is why I seldom like to get into the topic thread and just share my views on my own thread line. So many read shallow stuff, fashionable Trump bashing, no idea how a Political system work in the USA, use feeling over fact and biases not well checked to promote themselves as 'I am a good guy" stances. Pure rubbish virtue signally.

Okie.. my rant. I have a right to it but I will not say more to it. You can all have your say. This is what Freedom of Speech is about. Sad to say the left wing DEM has damages that to hell these day. And if people think this has no far reaching effect to reach our shore? You are mistaken. It is taking hold.. if not why you have angmo come here to spread all this bias stuff but never balance account? I ban his msgs to me for a reason. Not saying he is a bad person but his view are skewed when it come to his politics.

BTW, in my own update status feed, I have shared REP GAYS who are doing a lot of good govt work for gays and others rights. So ya. there are a lot of gay folk in the Republican too. To say all are good, I am not but to say there are none? Only the left wing and their useful idiots will have you think that.

Edited December 18, 2020 by upshot

December 18, 2020

But the media makes a difference due to the fact that the secretary of transportation requires Senate approval but the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) does not require the approval of the Senate. Hence, he is just a second tier officer.

the latter is just appointed by the President without the requirement for any Senate review and approval.

December 18, 2020

I wouldn't wonder if Grenell was only appointed to the office at DNI by Trump to get him a fat government pension

His term was as Acting Director from February 20, 2020 – May 26, 2020 ...😁

Steve5380 · December 18, 2020

9 hours ago, Guest first gay? said:

Addendum Note

Grenell was the worst US Ambassador to Germany ever and shun for being invited to public events or official functions (The worst that can happen in diplomacy).

But, I hope he enjoyed the gay scene in Berlin.

At least he did not need to climb down the pipes of a building to escape police officers....

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Richard Grenell’s exit will not make things miraculously improve. Grenell in a parting tweet stated, “You make a big mistake if you think the American pressure is off. You don’t know Americans.” This has been followed up by his parting gift , the announcement of the unilateral withdrawal of 9,500 American military personnel from Germany, about one-quarter of the total stationed there. The leadership of the U.S. diplomatic mission falls to Charge d’Affaires Robin Quinville, a Foreign Service Officer who is fluent in German and a diplomat with extensive German and European experience. She may have the same brief as her predecessor but will be taken seriously by her German counterparts. She will deliver the message in a professional manner but will lack the connection to the Trump administration’s inner circle. She will be in damage control mode, but that is the best that can be hoped for prior to the American election.

Thanks for the chuckle I got reading your 'Addendum'.

And for making me aware of the doings of this Grenell in Germany.

Steve5380 · December 18, 2020

8 hours ago, upshot said:

The myopic simpleton mentality who go goo-goo-ga-ga just because its a GAY man. That's all that matter... screw the fact this Pete is FIRST AND FOREMOST another bloody manipulating ambition politician WHO HAPPEN TO BE GAY. But hey, the moronic spotlight should be on that he is GAY.. he is all good. God's gift of goodness. Be damn if this simpleton actually follow or track his career all this time to see if he is actually a good person or even competent or pretending. He is Gay. So he's good. Playing the Gay card all the way to the White House.

Biden Taps MAYOR PETE For Transportation After Mocking Lack Of Experience During Campaign.

I got another chuckle out of this post.

Could this be a display of TOTAL ENVY for a person who, gay like he is, has been blessed with superior intelligence and success, something that this poster is not at par but would so much desire? "Bloody manipulating ambition politician"? Strange... @upshot never said this of Donald Trump!

And he questions if Buttigieg is competent. Has he shown any? He forgets that Pete was reelected by big majority AFTER he came out in a conservative town. They must not have done this because of his being gay.... We are all born with Lack of Experience. Buttigieg was not born with experience as Major, but he did quite well because... he is smart and a fast learner.

I think that Buttigieg is sincere in his two desires

- To do a great work for the American people

- To become a first class role model for us gays and all LGBTQs.

Listening to his speech in the last days about his appointment, I thought that he could have left out the mentioning of his marriage to "Chasten" at the La Guardia airport. But I suspect that he wants to remark on the issue that he is GAY. This may discourage those GOP senators who may vote him down in his confirmation and instill in them a fear of being politically incorrect in today's world, that is quite different from the days when they voted down Jim Hornel.

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Edited December 18, 2020 by Steve5380

Steve5380 · December 18, 2020

5 hours ago, upshot said:

Trump's side has a number of LGBTQ staffers but the news media censor so much you almost never hear it and lazy people who do not try to find them and listen to left wing bias come to a local site to give only their bias side and win our approval for their left wing Dem narrative.. is hoping very hard, we are too lazy to dig.

... blah, blah, blah...

BTW, in my own update status feed, I have shared REP GAYS who are doing a lot of good govt work for gays and others rights. So ya. there are a lot of gay folk in the Republican too. To say all are good, I am not but to say there are none? Only the left wing and their useful idiots will have you think that.

If we never heard of LGBTQ staffers in Trump's administration, this is not because of the censorship of the media, but because conservative republicans, the GOP as a whole, are afraid of gays and will try to hide them as much as possible.

While the Democrats, useful idiots or not, as soon as they discover a gay like Pete among them, they shine their lights on him, announce to the four corners of the world that they have a gay in their midst, and promote him to a high position in government.

December 18, 2020

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

soon as they discover a gay like Pete among them, they shine their lights on him, announce to the four corners of the world that they have a gay in their midst, and promote him to a high position in government.

It won't be impactful unless he becomes a first gay president of America. Otherwise , the world will not revolve around this forgettable gay guy in the new block and his appointment is easily replaceable and not permanent. There are more important gay people around the world holding authority and leadership role more than any gay in America politics. Looks at Canada, nobody made a hoo haa about how their PM went all out to support the gay community by visiting gay bar and march in the gay pride parade. America is way behind their northern neighbour and you felt proud about the little crumb drop from biden's office ? We thought your expectation was high but turn out to be a dissapointment.

Steve5380 · December 18, 2020

3 minutes ago, Guest High standard said:

It won't be impactful unless he becomes a first gay president of America. Otherwise , the world will not revolve around this forgettable gay guy in the new block and his appointment is easily replaceable and not permanent. There are more important gay people around the world holding authority and leadership role more than any gay in America politics. Looks at Canada, nobody made a hoo haa about how their PM went all out to support the gay community by visiting gay bar and march in the gay pride parade. America is way behind their northern neighbour and you felt proud about the little crumb drop from biden's office ? We thought your expectation was high but turn out to be a dissapointment.

You have to forgive me, but being such an insignificant gay person, any fellow gay that becomes a role model impresses me. Like an individual who got a Rhodes Scholarship, speaks 6 languages, is an Afghanistan veteran, and managed to be a high finalist in a campaign for candidate to president of the US. Ah... and is successfully married to his partner.

upshot · December 19, 2020

December 19, 2020

18 hours ago, lookseelooksee said:

Hold your horses, Joe Biden is not president yet. Donald Trump hasn't conceded and might yet emerge victorious. The Trump administration is still making policy decisions as if Trump is sailing to a second term.

yeah, Trump is sailing to Alcatraz...

Guess whe he trying to collect as much money as possible on his "rigged" election campaign...

Steve5380 · December 19, 2020

13 minutes ago, Guest alcatraz said:

yeah, Trump is sailing to Alcatraz...

Guess whe he trying to collect as much money as possible on his "rigged" election campaign...

Hopefully they don't reopen Alcatraz for him. This would be expensive. He deserves to be thrown into a regular jail, with all the other inmates, who will love him.

That ridiculous video above by this dumb ANDREW "senior political analyst" tries to seed crap with a common issue: what is worth more, experience or intelligence.

There is only one answer: IT DEPENDS. In the case of Buttigieg, he learned to administrate his small town as mayor pretty fast. And the experience as mayor is surely a very comprehensive one. More than the one as vice-president. Leaving aside his gayness, his curriculum vitae is quite impressive. He does not need to be a truck driver, an airline pilot, an Uber driver to know about transportation. I think BIden made an excellent choice.

December 19, 2020

As the mayor of a mid-sized city with a robust public transit system, Buttigieg should already know quite a bit about transportation issues, or else he was not doing his job properly. Furthermore, during the primaries, he unveiled a trillion dollar plan to improve US transportation and infrastructure, a plan that Biden surely must have noticed, and now wants to incorporate into his upcoming administration. Many transportation organizations also praised Biden's selection of Buttigieg based on their interactions with him while he was mayor of South Bend.

Buttigieg does not need to have experience as an engineer to be Secretary of Transportation. What he needs is the ability to be a good manager, learn what he needs to know very quickly (the fact that he speaks eight languages suggests he can do so easily), and be able to manage people and projects. As a former military intelligence officer, as well as city mayor, he should have no problem. The critics whining that "he has no transportation experience" are hypocrites. Ben Carson had no housing experience and Rex Tillerson had no diplomatic experience.

One more thing, Steve and Supportive Guests, you can praise Buttigieg without putting down Obama, who at this point is the best President the US had in the last 67 years, meaning since JFK was assassinated. His accomplishment as the country's first non-white President was important, and he restored American respect which was squandered by Bush Junior's war for oil, while also implementing important health care, fair pay, consumer protection, marriage equality, clean power, and immigration reforms among other things, despite 95% GOP obstruction.

upshot · December 19, 2020

Mayor Pete is Biden's Unqualified Transportation Secretary Choice!
https://youtu.be/ZyHTRutOy-Q

December 20, 2020

5 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

That ridiculous video above by this dumb ANDREW "senior political analyst" tries to seed crap with a common issue: what is worth more, experience or intelligence.

There is only one answer: IT DEPENDS. In the case of Buttigieg, he learned to administrate his small town as mayor pretty fast. And the experience as mayor is surely a very comprehensive one. More than the one as vice-president. Leaving aside his gayness, his curriculum vitae is quite impressive. He does not need to be a truck driver, an airline pilot, an Uber driver to know about transportation. I think BIden made an excellent choice.

Steve5380 · December 20, 2020

19 hours ago, upshot said:

https://youtu.be/ZyHTRutOy-Q

Good God, this video beats the best in misinformation, stupidity with pretenses to be comical, plus a couple of lies thrown in.

I watched the whole thing, but... EUREKA, I found one thing missing.

Not a single snide comment, mentioning that Pete is GAY.

This means that society has progressed so much that gay bashing in US politics has become.... POLITICALLY INCORRECT! :thumb:

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Edited December 20, 2020 by Steve5380

December 20, 2020

At 7.22, the host actually showed a clip from Byeden's campaign mocking Pete Buttitchy as a lightweight leader during their presidential primary election. Notice how his campaign used words like "colourful" & "decorative" to suggest his "style over substance" approach to problem solving was probably due to his sexual orientation.

December 25, 2020

This thread is ridiculous. I bet 99% of the people complaining about Pete Buttigieg don't even know the name of Trump's current Transportation Secretary without looking it up. As a matter of fact, I bet they can't name any US Transportation Secretary in the history of the country without looking it up, with the slightly possible exception of Elaine Chao holding the job under Bush Junior, and in her case, it would only be because she's Asian American, married to Senate Leader Moscow Mitch, and currently plundering as much money for her ultrarich shipping family as possible while "serving" Trump's Labor Secretary. I never imagined the day such vitriol would be spewed by gays against another gay being nominated for a down the totem pole job like Transportation Secretary. Perfect example of crabs in a bucket. As long as Buttigieg can manage the department efficiently, help improve transportation systems in the US, and explain the Biden Administration's policies clearly on hostile networks like Fox News, he will do a perfectly fine job.

December 26, 2020

5 hours ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

This thread is ridiculous. I bet 99% of the people complaining about Pete Buttigieg don't even know the name of Trump's current Transportation Secretary without looking it up. As a matter of fact, I bet they can't name any US Transportation Secretary in the history of the country without looking it up,

Oh puliz ..... let us know, without looking up, who are the Secretaries of Treasury, Defense, Interior, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, Education, Veteran Affairs under Trump's presidency. Can't do that? Then don't come here and act as if you are damned smarter than anyone else here.

5 hours ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

As long as Buttigieg can manage the department efficiently, help improve transportation systems in the US, and explain the Biden Administration's policies clearly on hostile networks like Fox News, he will do a perfectly fine job.

Has he done any of that? No, and yet everyone is telling us how great he is, just because he is GAY? How would you know if he won't also be "plundering as much money" for his family as possible while "serving" as Biden's Secretary. The only thing he has done was to steal the limelight from the really first true gay cabinet member Richard Grenell who was acting as the Director of National Intelligence. You are a perfect example of a crony trying to suck up to people getting into positions of power.

December 26, 2020

I wonder how much experience one of the previous

Sec of Trans had -- Elaine Chao (Bitchy McConn's wife) ?

December 26, 2020

1 hour ago, Guest Golden said:

I wonder how much experience one of the previous

Sec of Trans had -- Elaine Chao (Bitchy McConn's wife) ?

She was working in that department all the way 1986 during Ronald Reagen's time.

December 28, 2020

On 12/25/2020 at 10:57 PM, Guest Guest said:

Oh puliz ..... let us know, without looking up, who are the Secretaries of Treasury, Defense, Interior, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, Education, Veteran Affairs under Trump's presidency. Can't do that? Then don't come here and act as if you are damned smarter than anyone else here.

Has he done any of that? No, and yet everyone is telling us how great he is, just because he is GAY? How would you know if he won't also be "plundering as much money" for his family as possible while "serving" as Biden's Secretary. The only thing he has done was to steal the limelight from the really first true gay cabinet member Richard Grenell who was acting as the Director of National Intelligence. You are a perfect example of a crony trying to suck up to people getting into positions of power.

You apparently don't read very well, or you would see from my past posts that I know more about the US government than the vast majority of viewers here, if not all of them. For the record, and without researching them, here are those Trump Cabinet members off the top of my head ...

Treasury -- Corrupt former banker Mnuchin who should actually be in jail for his role in profiting off the 2008 financial crisis ...

Defense -- Acting flunky Miller who replaced Esper after the election over his refusal to commit to helping Trump stage a coup ...

Interior -- I don't know the new guy's name but he replaced corrupt scoundrel Zinke who tried to sell national park land to polluters ...

Commerce -- Corrupt former banker Ross who spent decades laundering money for Russian mobsters through Cyprus banks ...

Labor -- Son of former Supreme Court associate justice Scalia who replaced Acosta who left over his links to Trump's pedo pal Epstein ...

HHS -- Corrupt former drug manufacturer Azar who replaced corrupt former doctor turned congressman Price who loved raising drug prices ...

HUD -- Former brain surgeon Carson whose only experience with housing seems to be the fact that his family lives in a house ...

Energy -- Former governor Perry who was a tool for Big Oil while running Texas and wanted to eliminate the Energy Department in 2012 ...

Education -- Corrupt billionaire's daughter and Amway chairman's wife De Vos who has spent her career pushing to destroy public schools ...

Veterans Affairs -- I don't know the new guy's name but he has done next to nothing to improve health care for US military veterans ...

As for Buttigieg, how could he have done the functions of the Transportation Secretary job when he is not in office yet? The simple fact is that having already served as the mayor of a mid-sized city makes him more qualified than 100% of the sleazy criminals sitting in Trump's Cabinet.

Steve5380 · December 28, 2020

10 hours ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

You apparently don't read very well, or you would see from my past posts that I know more about the US government than the vast majority of viewers here, if not all of them. For the record, and without researching them, here are those Trump Cabinet members off the top of my head ...

Treasury -- Corrupt former banker Mnuchin who should actually be in jail for his role in profiting off the 2008 financial crisis ...

Defense -- Acting flunky Miller who replaced Esper after the election over his refusal to commit to helping Trump stage a coup ...

Interior -- I don't know the new guy's name but he replaced corrupt scoundrel Zinke who tried to sell national park land to polluters ...

Commerce -- Corrupt former banker Ross who spent decades laundering money for Russian mobsters through Cyprus banks ...

Labor -- Son of former Supreme Court associate justice Scalia who replaced Acosta who left over his links to Trump's pedo pal Epstein ...

HHS -- Corrupt former drug manufacturer Azar who replaced corrupt former doctor turned congressman Price who loved raising drug prices ...

HUD -- Former brain surgeon Carson whose only experience with housing seems to be the fact that his family lives in a house ...

Energy -- Former governor Perry who was a tool for Big Oil while running Texas and wanted to eliminate the Energy Department in 2012 ...

Education -- Corrupt billionaire's daughter and Amway chairman's wife De Vos who has spent her career pushing to destroy public schools ...

Veterans Affairs -- I don't know the new guy's name but he has done next to nothing to improve health care for US military veterans ...

As for Buttigieg, how could he have done the functions of the Transportation Secretary job when he is not in office yet? The simple fact is that having already served as the mayor of a mid-sized city makes him more qualified than 100% of the sleazy criminals sitting in Trump's Cabinet.

LOL! LOL!

Ten positions, ten names, and not a single decent person who any decent employer would give a job of responsibility.

Is this a gay forum, or a forum of homophobes who launched against Buttigieg because he revealed that he is gay?

There is another possibility: a bunch of trolls who sharpen their teeth disrupting any thread that is positive!

January 3, 2021

On 12/28/2020 at 11:20 AM, Steve5380 said:

LOL! LOL! Ten positions, ten names, and not a single decent person who any decent employer would give a job of responsibility. Is this a gay forum, or a forum of homophobes who launched against Buttigieg because he revealed that he is gay? There is another possibility: a bunch of trolls who sharpen their teeth disrupting any thread that is positive!

Besides that, my original point was that nobody who doesn't follow politics would know the names of many Cabinet members anyway besides maybe State, Defense, and Treasury, since they are the only people from that group in the news a lot (regardless of the administration). So with that in mind, why are they spending so much time and effort attacking Buttigieg, who will be running the Transportation Department? It is an important job, of course, but it is nowhere near the top of the Cabinet.

I bet none of those people smearing Buttigieg have any idea, without looking it up, which Singaporean politician is responsible to oversee, for example, SBS or SMRT. As a matter of fact, I would also wager that they can't name any members of LHL's Cabinet besides Lawrence, Josephine, and Vivian, and only because those three usually end up in the news for saying something that passes for "shocking" over here. So much outrage aimed at dragging down a gay man trying to do good work. Gross!

January 3, 2021

On 12/28/2020 at 1:15 PM, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

HUD -- Former brain surgeon Carson whose only experience with housing seems to be the fact that his family lives in a house ...

House or Mansion?

January 3, 2021

On 12/28/2020 at 1:15 PM, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

For the record, and without researching them, here are those Trump Cabinet members off the top of my head ...

A response after 2 days and "off the top of your head" and "without researching them"...? Yeah, right .... we believe you!

6 hours ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

So much outrage aimed at dragging down a gay man trying to do good work.

Good work? What work? Paving the streets? You so apparently has no clue how this thread started, did you? So far, the only "good work" he has done was to silently accept the "honor" of being the first gay Cabinet member when he is not. Besides, it is Joe Biden himself who was laughing at Buttigieg for his lack of experience.

Steve5380 · January 5, 2021

On 1/3/2021 at 5:34 PM, Guest Guest said:

A response after 2 days and "off the top of your head" and "without researching them"...? Yeah, right .... we believe you!

Good work? What work? Paving the streets? You so apparently has no clue how this thread started, did you? So far, the only "good work" he has done was to silently accept the "honor" of being the first gay Cabinet member when he is not. Besides, it is Joe Biden himself who was laughing at Buttigieg for his lack of experience.

Who do you think would be better at filling in pot holes? You or Buttigieg?

January 5, 2021

34 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

Who do you think would be better at filling in pot holes? You or Buttigieg?

Since you put it that way, if all that the Secretary of Transport need to do is to fill in potholes, then even a road worker can do a better job than Buttigieg.

Steve5380 · January 5, 2021

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Since you put it that way, if all that the Secretary of Transport need to do is to fill in potholes, then even a road worker can do a better job than Buttigieg.

I doubt it. Buttigieg can fill pot holes in 6 languages!

January 5, 2021

23 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Since you put it that way, if all that the Secretary of Transport need to do is to fill in potholes, then even a road worker can do a better job than Buttigieg.

I doubt it. Buttigieg can fill pot holes in 6 languages!

Let me just quote this for posterity in case anybody edit this big joke of a response in the future.

Steve5380 · January 12, 2021

On 1/4/2021 at 10:19 PM, Guest Guest said:

Let me just quote this for posterity in case anybody edit this big joke of a response in the future.

A big joke of a response is the most civil answer one can give to an absolutely stupid post. I am confident that Buttigieg can fill potholes better than you. He is smart enough to find a way of doing it that beats your use of a shovel and a pot with tar.

January 12, 2021

Donald trump is a sexy man. So youthful and good skin for his age. He is a dilf! I like his mannerisms and his attitude.

January 13, 2021

I think this question has been posted before -- but I will ask it for myself now -- does Blowing Wind really need 3 different threads on the US Election, Transition, and Failed Coup? While the topic is important from a world perspective, I feel it is overkill to have so many threads on the same topic on a Singapore message board, and this also gives the trolls multiple places to spread their poison. Right now there are three threads.

- The First Openly Gay Cabinet Member Of The United States

- It Is Official: The US Will Have Again A Decent President

- Transition Begins In The USA To A New Era

I believe one of our moderators (@Bern, @G_M, @HendryTan, etc.) should merge all three topics into one combined thread with a name such as US Politics: Trump Loses Election / Gay Ex-Mayor Buttigieg Named To Cabinet / Mob Riot / Impeachment 2.0 / Biden Era Begins (Compiled). Steve5380 and others also need to be explicitly warned to confine all of their bickering about US politics to the compiled thread.

Steve5380 · January 13, 2021

1 hour ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

I think this question has been posted before -- but I will ask it for myself now -- does Blowing Wind really need 3 different threads on the US Election, Transition, and Failed Coup? While the topic is important from a world perspective, I feel it is overkill to have so many threads on the same topic on a Singapore message board, and this also gives the trolls multiple places to spread their poison. Right now there are three threads.

- The First Openly Gay Cabinet Member Of The United States

- It Is Official: The US Will Have Again A Decent President

- Transition Begins In The USA To A New Era

I believe one of our moderators (@Bern, @G_M, @HendryTan, etc.) should merge all three topics into one combined thread with a name such as US Politics: Trump Loses Election / Gay Ex-Mayor Buttigieg Named To Cabinet / Mob Riot / Impeachment 2.0 / Biden Era Begins (Compiled). Steve5380 and others also need to be explicitly warned to confine all of their bickering about US politics to the compiled thread.

Is there any particular reason that the existence of three threads instead of one disturbs you? There are so many topics that are addressed by many threads that could be consolidated. THREE threads in this forum is not a superabundance. This one about Buttigieg was started as an example of a GAY outstanding person, and this justifies its own existence.

Could you please be so considerate to ignore the threads I started if you don't like them? Thank you.

January 16, 2021

On 1/13/2021 at 6:52 PM, Steve5380 said:

Is there any particular reason that the existence of three threads instead of one disturbs you? There are so many topics that are addressed by many threads that could be consolidated. THREE threads in this forum is not a superabundance. This one about Buttigieg was started as an example of a GAY outstanding person, and this justifies its own existence. Could you please be so considerate to ignore the threads I started if you don't like them? Thank you.

You just don't get it. After what happened in your country last week -- a deadly insurrection against your government incited by the so-called leader of that same government -- you and many other Americans still don't understand the radicalizing impact of right wing propaganda. By creating multiple threads related to the same topic, The US Election & Its Aftermath, you are giving multiple opportunities to right wing propagandists and malicious trolls to spread their poison on our Singaporean website. That is unacceptable.

I know the US is an important country, and it's good to be able to discuss the political situation there, but Blowing Winds does not need three different threads for that purpose. Look at how many times the right wing propagandists and malicious trolls have brought up the same poisonous arguments in all three threads. Each mention of those insipid ideas is another opportunity to radicalize innocent Singaporean minds and turn our fellow citizens into water carriers for Trumpist White Supremacy. We can't let that happen.

The fact that formerly reasonable posters have been brainwashed to hate a gay man like Pete Buttigieg simply because he is not a Republican is ridiculous. Ditto for their new dislike of a half-Indian woman such as Kamala Harris. They seriously don't realize that if they were Americans, Donald Trump and 90% of the Republican Party would deport them if possible, or otherwise kill them if they thought it was possible to get away with it. Yet they are on Blowing Wind spreading Trumpist poison and perpetuating his lies with glee.

Houston police officer Tham Dinh Pham, who is obviously Vietnamese-American, was somehow radicalized over the years, decided to travel to Washington to take part in the Trump coup attempt, and is now whining that he's losing his $90,000 per year job and begging the public to give his family privacy. Then there is "Stop The Steal" co-organizer Ali Alexander, an Indian-American who spoke at Trump's incitement rally, and is bragging about helping organize the insurrection with three Republican members of Congress.

Just as the minds of those two Americans of Asian descent were radicalized by right wing propaganda, so have the minds of several Singaporean posters on Blowing Wind, and your multiple threads mean this website contains three times as many opportunities for further radicalization, now only now, but for as long as this website exists and its contents are publicly searchable. That is dangerous and needs to be minimized, which is why I would like @Bern, @G_M, @HendryTan, etc. to merge these three threads.

Social media sites like Twitter finally shut down Trump because it became obvious that his ideas had inflamed the public and injected toxic lies into people's minds. They had to finally take responsibility -- even though it was too late -- and try to make amends for helping him perpetuate his poison. By leaving multiple threads on The US Election & Its Aftermath intact, Blowing Wind is also indirectly helping spread Trump's radicalizing lies, because the malicious trolls are repeating those falsehoods again and again and again.

Look at how many times you and Singalion and others have debunked the Dominion lies. Yet they keep ignoring your answers and simply repeating the same question again. The right wing propagandists and malicious trolls can't be reasoned with like normal people, because they aren't even reading your answers, as their only intent is to spread more toxic lies and inject them into the public record. The more threads there are on election related topics, the more opportunities they have to lie, so please stop indulging their mission.

I don't mean to imply that you want to do harm by posting so many threads. But it seems that you don't understand how the right wing propagandists and malicious trolls are using your multiple threads on The US Election & Its Aftermath to further their goal -- radicalizing Singaporean minds to the cause of carrying water for Trumpist White Supremacy and fomenting hatred towards the liberal and progressive half of the US population -- so I once again call upon our moderators to merge the threads and reduce their opportunities.

January 16, 2021

On 1/3/2021 at 3:57 PM, Guest livelife said:

House or Mansion?

Carson is rich enough to own a couple of each. Either way, he's a former brain surgeon, not a public housing expert. I would almost completely trust him if I needed life saving brain surgery, although working for Trump makes me wonder if he inhaled too much anesthesia over the years, but I prefer a housing expert to create public housing policies.

On 1/3/2021 at 7:34 PM, Guest Guest said:

A response after 2 days and "off the top of your head" and "without researching them"... ? Yeah, right .... we believe you! Good work? What work? Paving the streets? You so apparently has no clue how this thread started, did you? So far, the only "good work" he has done was to silently accept the "honor" of being the first gay Cabinet member when he is not. Besides, it is Joe Biden himself who was laughing at Buttigieg for his lack of experience.

Unlike you, I actually have a professional career, family members, and personal life, so spending every spare minute dealing with your pathetic trolling on on Blowing Wind is not and never will be part of my daily routine. I chat here if the mood strikes but otherwise I have a completely fulfilling life. As for Buttigieg, he has a bright future, and you do not.

Steve5380 · January 16, 2021

8 hours ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

You just don't get it. After what happened in your country last week -- a deadly insurrection against your government incited by the so-called leader of that same government -- you and many other Americans still don't understand the radicalizing impact of right wing propaganda. By creating multiple threads related to the same topic, The US Election & Its Aftermath, you are giving multiple opportunities to right wing propagandists and malicious trolls to spread their poison on our Singaporean website. That is unacceptable.

I know the US is an important country, and it's good to be able to discuss the political situation there, but Blowing Winds does not need three different threads for that purpose. Look at how many times the right wing propagandists and malicious trolls have brought up the same poisonous arguments in all three threads. Each mention of those insipid ideas is another opportunity to radicalize innocent Singaporean minds and turn our fellow citizens into water carriers for Trumpist White Supremacy. We can't let that happen.

The fact that formerly reasonable posters have been brainwashed to hate a gay man like Pete Buttigieg simply because he is not a Republican is ridiculous. Ditto for their new dislike of a half-Indian woman such as Kamala Harris. They seriously don't realize that if they were Americans, Donald Trump and 90% of the Republican Party would deport them if possible, or otherwise kill them if they thought it was possible to get away with it. Yet they are on Blowing Wind spreading Trumpist poison and perpetuating his lies with glee.

Houston police officer Tham Dinh Pham, who is obviously Vietnamese-American, was somehow radicalized over the years, decided to travel to Washington to take part in the Trump coup attempt, and is now whining that he's losing his $90,000 per year job and begging the public to give his family privacy. Then there is "Stop The Steal" co-organizer Ali Alexander, an Indian-American who spoke at Trump's incitement rally, and is bragging about helping organize the insurrection with three Republican members of Congress.

Just as the minds of those two Americans of Asian descent were radicalized by right wing propaganda, so have the minds of several Singaporean posters on Blowing Wind, and your multiple threads mean this website contains three times as many opportunities for further radicalization, now only now, but for as long as this website exists and its contents are publicly searchable. That is dangerous and needs to be minimized, which is why I would like @Bern, @G_M, @HendryTan, etc. to merge these three threads.

Social media sites like Twitter finally shut down Trump because it became obvious that his ideas had inflamed the public and injected toxic lies into people's minds. They had to finally take responsibility -- even though it was too late -- and try to make amends for helping him perpetuate his poison. By leaving multiple threads on The US Election & Its Aftermath intact, Blowing Wind is also indirectly helping spread Trump's radicalizing lies, because the malicious trolls are repeating those falsehoods again and again and again.

Look at how many times you and Singalion and others have debunked the Dominion lies. Yet they keep ignoring your answers and simply repeating the same question again. The right wing propagandists and malicious trolls can't be reasoned with like normal people, because they aren't even reading your answers, as their only intent is to spread more toxic lies and inject them into the public record. The more threads there are on election related topics, the more opportunities they have to lie, so please stop indulging their mission.

I don't mean to imply that you want to do harm by posting so many threads. But it seems that you don't understand how the right wing propagandists and malicious trolls are using your multiple threads on The US Election & Its Aftermath to further their goal -- radicalizing Singaporean minds to the cause of carrying water for Trumpist White Supremacy and fomenting hatred towards the liberal and progressive half of the US population -- so I once again call upon our moderators to merge the threads and reduce their opportunities.

Dear Loquacious Laminator,

You just don't get it. There might be just one member who has fallen for the right-wing propaganda. All the other guests who fill the threads with pro-Trump crap know perfectly well what is true and what is false but see an opportunity to provoke the reasonable posters with their falsities and create controversy. But you can also see that there is a good group of reasonable members who hit them over the head with real facts, like @singalion, @Nightingale, myself, and a few others. We keep them at bay, and there is even something positive in refuting their lies, which exposes the issues, something educative in a way. The more these guest trolls keep posting lies, the more opportunities they give us to debunk them.

I believe that the mentalities of Singaporean gays reject the Trumpist White Supremacy crap, the same as they reject the 377A. We often read about their longing for a more liberal and progressive government for themselves.

I started this thread, different from the other two, with the purpose to bring awareness to a successful GAY, I repeat, a GAY who outed himself and even got married to his beloved partner, and who instead of being scolded and put down and bashed by his society, he was reelected as Mayor and later run a very successful campaign for candidate to the presidency of the United States. And now, he has been chosen to become a member of the new cabinet of the next President Joe Biden. This distinction falls only to an infinitesimal proportion of straights, and he is GAY. Role models like Buttigieg don't come along every day. His persona should give us pause and reflect that this gifted individual, who is also ONE OF US, will be in nearly daily contact and have the ear of the most powerful individual in the world, President Biden. This should totally rebuke the myth that we gays are inferior in any way, and blow it out of existence!

I don't spare any opportunity in this forum to come out and promote GAYS, the same as I take any opportunity to condemn anti-gays, even if this sometimes gets me in trouble for criticizing religion, which I now am careful to avoid. I won't stop with these actions until sexual orientation becomes a NON-ISSUE.

51 minutes ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

Unlike you, I actually have a professional career, family members, and personal life, so spending every spare minute dealing with your pathetic trolling on on Blowing Wind is not and never will be part of my daily routine. I chat here if the mood strikes but otherwise I have a completely fulfilling life. As for Buttigieg, he has a bright future, and you do not.

You have a good mentality, you should post as a member. And you exposed what has the highest probability to be the reason "Guest Guest" is what he is: he feels like a loser, and wants everyone else to be a loser too. What a misdirection of his energies, he should put them to good use by overcoming his feelings of loser!

.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Steve5380

January 16, 2021

9 hours ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

The fact that formerly reasonable posters have been brainwashed to hate a gay man like Pete Buttigieg simply because he is not a Republican is ridiculous. Ditto for their new dislike of a half-Indian woman such as Kamala Harris. They seriously don't realize that if they were Americans, Donald Trump and 90% of the Republican Party would deport them if possible, or otherwise kill them if they thought it was possible to get away with it. Yet they are on Blowing Wind spreading Trumpist poison and perpetuating his lies with glee.

To say that Donald Trump and 90% of the Republican Party would deport or kill posters completely show the irony of what Larry Laminator is trying to warn us against about; “Look at how many times the right wing propagandists and malicious trolls have brought up the same poisonous arguments in all three threads. Each mention of those insipid ideas is another opportunity to radicalize innocent Singaporean minds and turn our fellow citizens into water carriers for Trumpist White Supremacy. We can't let that happen.”

Trump is about law and order. Since when did he remotely encourage ex-judicial killings? To say Trump and most Republicans without evidence will kill non-whites Americans is preciously we need posters to step in and correct the misinformation about Trump and his administration. He has achieved the highest employment for African Americans in nearly 50years. He got the highest votes among non-Whites in 60 years among Republican presidents.

Ironically the hate is all too obvious here for Trump.

Nobody is trying to radicalise anyone anywhere. It is to present a side of story or issue that has been gaslighted by mainstream media and social media.

January 16, 2021

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

You have a good mentality, you should post as a member. And you exposed what has the highest probability to be the reason "Guest Guest" is what he is: he feels like a loser, and wants everyone else to be a loser too. What a misdirection of his energies, he should put them to good use by overcoming his feelings of loser!

Thanks for the compliment, but to be honest, I think Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator has a point. Even if this thread on Pete Buttigieg remains separate, it might be better for a moderator to combine the other two threads, to reduce the number of locations for the brainwashed people and malicious trolls, as he wrote, to poison the atmosphere.

It is not just one member who has fallen for the right wing propaganda by the way. Upshot, LookseeLooksee, and FattChoy have all made comments showing themselves to be full-on supporters of Trump and his gang of racists who want to take America (and the world) back to a supposedly (but not really) white supremacist past again. Then there is LonelyGlobe who hates the PRC so much that he still believes Trump is "standing up to" the PRC, even after being shown multiple articles proving that Trump was falsely claiming to fight the PRC, while actually making money from the PRC (on top of implementing tariffs that actually hurt American farmers and manufacturers but helped the PRC).

Please don't be so defensive of your threads, simply because you created them, that you fail to see the forest for the trees. Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator is correct, in my opinion, that the trolls you seem to love arguing with are using those arguments to spread more lies onto the internet and further increase Asian pro-Trumpian radicalization.

January 16, 2021

13 minutes ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

Then there is LonelyGlobe who hates the PRC so much that he still believes Trump is "standing up to" the PRC, even after being shown multiple articles proving that Trump was falsely claiming to fight the PRC, while actually making money from the PRC (on top of implementing tariffs that actually hurt American farmers and manufacturers but helped the PRC).

Hunter Biden is the one who is making money off China. Investigations are ongoing on Hunter and the Biden family with regards to how Hunter is about to get billion of investment from China state-linked companies with no experience. This was when Joe Biden was a VP back then.

Trump administration just kicked out 3 China state-linked telcos from US stock exchanges. Trump administration also prosecuted an executive of Zoom who shut off zoom calls of people discussing Tiananmen issues last year. He slapped tariffs on China products and brought back jobs.

January 16, 2021

AP Exclusive: Kushners Tap China’s $24B ‘Golden Visa’ Market
By NOMAAN MERCHANT | May 16, 2017

BEIJING (AP) — When the sister of President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner promoted investment in her family’s new skyscraper from a Beijing hotel ballroom stage earlier this month, she was pitching a controversial American visa program that’s proven irresistible to tens of thousands of Chinese.

More than 100,000 Chinese have poured at least $24 billion in the last decade into “golden visa” programs across the world that offer residence in exchange for investment, an Associated Press analysis has found. Nowhere is Chinese demand greater than in the United States, which has taken in at least $7.7 billion and issued more than 40,000 visas to Chinese investors and their families in the past decade, the AP found.

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Meyer, Kushner’s sister, appeared this month at events in Beijing and Shanghai to promote One Journal Square, a New Jersey tower project planned by the Kushner family that would be partially funded through EB-5 investment. The presentation included a photo of Trump and vague promises that the project had “government support” and was “founded by celebrity developers.” The company later apologized for any implication that her brother was supporting the project, and Meyer pulled out of a presentation to Chinese investors scheduled for this past weekend.

Trump’s name already appears on another New Jersey residential tower, Trump Bay Street, built with the help of EB-5 funding. And one month before the November election, an ad appeared on a Chinese website catering to foreigners seeking a “white American to join our team” for a new project: “A 200 million dollar hotel developed by The Trump Organization in Austin.” A brochure posted online described Trump as the “king of real estate” and included a photo of him giving a speech.

[Read the full article at Associated Press.]

Trump’s Father’s Day Gift: Chinese Cologne And A Coffin | Editorial
Posted Jun 02, 2018 | Updated Jan 30, 2019

Big news for Chinese consumers: The good folks of Zhengzhou can now purchase baby blankets, wallpaper, perfume, furniture, and coffins (seriously) with Ivanka Trump's beaming visage adorning the label.

The First Daughter can reach into the world's fastest growing market because China issued her fashion brand seven new trademarks last month, which is customary in our Trumpocracy, where one can profit from a business while acting as White House advisor on economic empowerment.

And in an extraordinary coincidence, President Trump announced six days later that a struggling Chinese telecom cited as a cybersecurity threat will have sanctions lifted so it can peddle its cell phones in the U.S. again, even after the Pentagon dumped its supply after learning they were surveillance-capable.

Tech giant ZTE, which is part of Xi Jinping's global vision to dominate the industry, was given a foothold in our market despite violating sanctions by selling goods with American-made parts to Iran and North Korea.

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She doesn't even have to answer for it. During a conference call with reporters about White House Sports and Fitness Day, the subject of her China trademarks was met with instant silence. That was followed by a press aide's announcement that Ms. Trump had bailed out of the call to attend another appointment.

This might be less suspicious if Trump and his offspring fully divested their business interests before taking office.

It might also be less suspicious if he didn't hire family members.

When his daughter joined the staff 14 months ago, the White House issued a spit-take inducer that read, "Ivanka's service as an unpaid employee furthers our commitment to ethics, transparency, and compliance and affords to lead initiatives driving real policy benefits for the American public."

All those benefits, all this winning. Enjoy your ZTE phone.

[Read the full editorial at New Jersey Advance Media.]

Surprise! Trump Has Been Hiding His Secret Bank Account In China
After literally years of claims that Joe Biden has some hidden cash connection with China, the latest installment of The New York Times examination of Trump’s taxes, shows that Trump has an account at an unspecified bank, holding an unknown amount of money, somewhere in China.
By Mark Sumner | 10/21/20 | 6:45 AM

Everywhere he goes, Donald Trump should bring a screen. Because there’s no one better at projecting. After literally years of claims that Joe Biden has some hidden cash connection with China, the latest installment of The New York Times examination of Trump’s taxes, shows that Trump has an account at an unspecified bank, holding an unknown amount of money, somewhere in China.

The secret Chinese bank account is controlled through one of Trump’s business subsidiaries, Trump International Hotels Management, and did not appear on the public documents Trump filed with claims that they explain everything anyone wanted to know without revealing his taxes. But since Donald Trump owns 100% of the Trump Organization, all of these accounts should have been on his public financial disclosures. It’s not.

The Times research suggests that Trump has three unreported accounts. One in the U.K., another in Ireland, and the third in China. The British and Irish accounts are apparently used to control funds related to his golf courses there. Which may be true, but doesn’t explain why he did not report these accounts on a form that is supposed to list all his foreign assets. It also doesn’t explain why Trump has an account in China where, supposedly, he has no properties.

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Back in April, Vanity Fair reported that Trump owed “tens of millions” to the Bank of China over a deal in New York City. However, it turned out that loan had already been shuffled to another bank. However, what wasn’t in error was that the Trump Organization had contracted with Chinese state-owned construction firms that were — and are — building new Trump properties in the U.A.E.

Where is Trump’s Chinese bank account? Why does he have an account there, but not in countries like Indonesia and the U.A.E. where he’s engaged in active deals? And did Trump actually pay more taxes in China than in the United States?

That one of the candidates would turn out to have a secret China connection, and that the candidate would not be Joe Biden, seems absolutely predictable. Now, someone needs to bring Trump some coffee. Apparently he’s feeling “sleepy” all the time.

[Read the full article at Crooks & Liars.]

China and Russia could exploit chaos in the U.S. after Capitol riot, says a national security expert
PUBLISHED FRI, JAN 8, 2021 | 3:33 AM EST | Yen Nee Lee | @YENNEE_LEE

China and Russia could exploit the chaos that erupted in the U.S. after rioters stormed the halls of Congress on Wednesday, according to one expert.

“Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin will be delighted with the chaos unfolding in the United States right now and will be tempted to take advantage of the situation,” said Emeritus Professor Paul Dibb, a national security expert at the Australian National University, in a Thursday note referring to the leaders of China and Russia, respectively.

Supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, forcing Congress to delay the process of confirming Joe Biden as the next U.S. president.

The U.S. has had tense relationships with the two authoritarian states, which some experts said are challenging American leadership on the global stage.

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Max Baucus — U.S. ambassador to China from 2014 to 2017 — said he’s concerned “if the Chinese government is gonna make a lot of propaganda” of the U.S. Capitol riots.

“Not just China, it’s other countries. It’s terrible,” Baucus, former Democratic senator from Montana, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Asia” on Thursday.

China has sought to point out the discrepancy in the way the U.S. framed the riots on Capitol Hill and drew parallels with the protests in Hong Kong that also turned violent and saw mobs vandalize the legislative building in the Chinese city in 2019.

Chinese state-backed tabloid Global Times released a cartoon strip on Twitter depicting Uncle Sam — a common personification of the U.S. — describing the Hong Kong protests as “beautiful sights,” but shouting “shoot the thugs!” when riots broke out in Washington D.C.

[Read the full article at CNBC.]

January 16, 2021

II. INTRODUCTION
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (HSGAC) and the Senate Committee on Finance undertook this investigation into potential conflicts of interest, and the involvement of the Biden family in foreign business ventures while Joe Biden was vice president, following allegations that the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy could have been affected by Hunter Biden’s position on the board of Burisma, and that family members may have improperly sought to benefit from their relationship with the vice president.

The first letter written regarding potential conflicts of interest was sent by Chairman Grassley on Aug. 14, 2019, relating to the Henniges transaction.3 That was an Obama-era Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved transaction which gave control over Henniges, an American maker of anti-vibration technologies with military applications, to a Chinese government-owned aviation company and a China-based investment firm with established ties to the communist Chinese government. One of the companies involved in the Henniges transaction was a billion-dollar private investment fund called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR). BHR was reportedly formed in November 2013 by a merger between the Chinese government-linked firm Bohai Capital and a U.S. company named Rosemont Seneca Partners. Rosemont Seneca Partners was reportedly formed in 2009 by Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, by Chris Heinz, the stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry, and by others.4

The direct involvement of Hunter Biden and Heinz in the acquisition of Henniges by the Chinese government creates a potential conflict of interest. Both are directly related to high- ranking Obama administration officials. The Department of State, then under Mr. Kerry’s leadership, is also a CFIUS member and played a direct role in the decision to approve the Henniges transaction. The appearance of a potential conflict of interest in this case was particularly troubling given Hunter Biden’s history of investing in and collaborating with Chinese companies, including at least one that clearly poses significant national security concerns. This history with China precedes and follows the 2015 Henniges transaction. This report will discuss Hunter Biden’s and Devon Archer’s corporate entities and their links to the communist Chinese government in more detail.

(From an actual report prepared by U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and U.S. Senate Committee on Finance Majority Staff Report. Full report below in link below

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

Steve5380 · January 17, 2021

On 1/13/2021 at 3:10 PM, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

- The First Openly Gay Cabinet Member Of The United States

- It Is Official: The US Will Have Again A Decent President

- Transition Begins In The USA To A New Era

I believe one of our moderators (@Bern, @G_M, @HendryTan, etc.) should merge all three topics into one combined thread with a name such as US Politics: Trump Loses Election / Gay Ex-Mayor Buttigieg Named To Cabinet / Mob Riot / Impeachment 2.0 / Biden Era Begins (Compiled). Steve5380 and others also need to be explicitly warned to confine all of their bickering about US politics to the compiled thread.

I have explained why this thread about Pete Buttigieg is not linked to the other two.

The second thread in your list, "it is official: the US will...", had done its function and is being forgotten, without any posting since last year. It could be closed.

The third one, "Transition begins in the USA to a new era" is where people should discuss about the current political climate in America and don't have anything to say about Buttigieg.

And the last sentence in your post, marked in read, is an abject put-down of people who have DISCUSSIONS about politics. To call that a "bickering" reveals your mistaken feeling of superiority, like your posts are above "bickering" but the ones of others are not. The irony is that you wield this superiority while posting like a coward guest. :angry:

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Edited January 17, 2021 by Steve5380

Steve5380 · January 17, 2021

9 hours ago, Guest Meanly Preacher said:

Thanks for the compliment, but to be honest, I think Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator has a point. Even if this thread on Pete Buttigieg remains separate, it might be better for a moderator to combine the other two threads, to reduce the number of locations for the brainwashed people and malicious trolls, as he wrote, to poison the atmosphere.

Please don't be so defensive of your threads, simply because you created them, that you fail to see the forest for the trees. Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator is correct, in my opinion, that the trolls you seem to love arguing with are using those arguments to spread more lies onto the internet and further increase Asian pro-Trumpian radicalization.

I will take off several points from my compliment because I see that you don't do what you preach. All your latest posts here had nothing to do with Buttigieg, so they are in the wrong thread and... why are you posting a bunch of material that can poison the atmosphere by revealing MORE misdeeds by the abominable white supremacists that reveal them as smart deceivers and exploiters of privileged opportunities?

And I fail to see the forest for the trees? a forest of THREE trees? There are so many dumb threads around. Why don't you advocate to consolidating these? Consolidation should not be done at the cost of specificity. Otherwise BW should have a single thread, and we are left with the work of fishing out of this one enormous thread whatever we find of interest?

January 17, 2021

Until right now, people are still thinking that the entire issues that the detractors of Joe Biden and/or Pete Buttigieg is all about individual human beings.

They think people are against Joe Biden because his opponent, Donald Trump, was a "good" person, and people are against Pete Buttigieg because he is "gay" or whatever. However, there has already been multiple posts stating that the issues are much bigger than their individual personalities. Their individual character and personalities are actually irrelevant microscopic details in the much bigger universal scheme of things. It doesn't even matter if Donald Trump is "good" or "bad"; And it doesn't matter if Pete Buttigieg is "gay" or "straight".

The issue about Trump was how the election was believed to be fraudulently conducted, and there are sufficient evidence for investigations to be conducted, regardless how people try their best to undermine those evidences that had been put forward. For that fact, it makes the people who tries to persecute Donald Trump for exposing such election fraud to be a bigger demon than who he actually is. So, between the huge coverup of the election fraud and him, who is the bigger demon who should be persecuted?

Similarly for Pete Buttigieg, the case is not about him being the first openly gay person in any Cabinet or not, and neither is it about him being a Republican nor a Democrat. It is about him accepting this dubious honor that he is one, when there was already a previous acknowledgement of someone else being a cabinet-level gay personality.

Seriously, why are people focusing on the microscopic details of a person's individuality, rather than seeing the failure of the bigger picture.

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