Shogun Spa @ Chinatown (No Ads Allowed)

[abang]

I was away from Singapore over the long weekend.

I have not visited Shogun yet but what a mixed bag of opinions.

I trust that Shogun' management is open to constructive criticisms.

I will do the sitrep by the end of this week.

[Guest Jun Xiang]

Was there last night, thought I still like the old sg but anyhow the reno had created somrwhat new area for relax.

But I was very turned off last while at the 2nd floor tv lounge, the whole area is suddenly filled with food cooking smell" the smell of fry food choked up the whole place.

It was the staff doing his cooking.

U can't cook in an aircon room even u msy have a cooker hood. It still smells. Many were turnrd off and left the yv lounge..

Sigh, it's a harzsrd to avoid.

[abang]

I do agree, rancid smell of fried-food lingers longer than any other deodorant.

So it would be best if you have to offer food on your premise, keep it to sandwiches and crackers.

Otherwise, move your food-preparation area to the exterior .. open air....

By the way, this is to Shogun management, do you have the licence to sell food/drinks in your premise?

If not, dont let your competitors report it to the police.

[Guest Guest]

@lovehandle:

He is a woman? what is he exactly..

A cross-dresser?

[Guest Guest]

It's Consumer Rights Basic 101.

You like, be a loyal & regular customer. be merry & $%^&^.

Dun like, go elsewhere lah. one less person fighting for the rooms.

Everybody is happy, no love lost.

Life goes on

[JWesley]

Visited the newly renovated Shogun last weekend.

The place looks newer and neater. They revamped the place and it's now totally different from what it was. They coverted their upper floor to an outdoor patio and most of the rooms are now in the lower floor. They have also done away with their main door.

Personally I don't really like this new place as I prefer the old gloryholes in the dark. They still have those but only more visible and quite indiscrete. Not that I mind but it just takes the thrill out of gloryhole sex....

[lovehandle]

A cross-dresser?

@lovehandle:

He is a woman? what is he exactly..

Erm, he is a mute, a MUTE, goodness...it caught me totally unexpected

I dont look down on them, i just felt very sorry for him

It confirmed once again: All have needs! be it straight or NOT.... (though i already realized this long ago)

[Guest Guest]

Erm, he is a mute, a MUTE, goodness...it caught me totally unexpected

I dont look down on them, i just felt very sorry for him

It confirmed once again: All have needs! be it straight or NOT.... (though i already realized this long ago)

You dun have to feel sorry for them. They are very independent & do come with their friends.

You could see them communicating in sign language. It's good to see them live life to the fullest.

My friend even had fun with a visually handicapped but handsome guy in another sauna.

My friend is goodlooking but was attracted to him as soon as he walked in.

So happy for both of them.

[bigis4me]

Went to check out the New Renovated Shogun

Found the open area nobody was hanging around except the boss and his friends

Upstairs concept nobody seem to know where to hang around

Dark room in the corner now has no step so good change

Downstairs steam room same but hotter

Shower room now inside and too cramp

Formally gloryhole and dark room now cruising area and rooms

Gym (why they waste space for a gym)

Downstairs lazing area now open up ( not sure what they were trying to do)

All of this is just my observation and some may like it and some may not

But sure like to counter guy very polite

[Guest Addicted sucker]

Wow so many disappointment Fr so many customer . Personally I m yet to visit d new Reno shogun but already not looking forward judging Fr all these feedbacks . My guess for d big open space is d boss is cutting corner on air con n reduce on maintaince BUt is So Stupid Of him does he get thru his thick skull wit no brain that he is also cutting down our fun after all it is us who kept his place alive n bustling for so long . He just been v greedy when he saw his business is booming his place will end up like 17 most saunas failure are due to stupidity of d owner refusing to listening to his customer n they deserve what they get when it is closed down Heard recently that Ten Men is also going for Reno hope d owner has some brain better then d stupid shogun boss to include glory hole cubicles Then many shogun customers will go there

[lovehandle]

I wish i m the handsome mute then..

@addicted sucker,erm not to good to call the boss names, he set up more open area is not to save aircon as i said his aircon is always at full blast!

More open space is for relax n chatting n it can be hard to maintained, ants lah insects...

[Guest Cw30]

Singaporean like to complain. Worst when it is an addicted sucker . U r fortunate u hv such venue in sg.

[Guest Bigirl]

How will the crowd or management of shogun react to a guy wearing girls swimsuit in the sauna?

[Guest MrTanner]

Actually I am one of those who dun like the new Shogun. The new place may be cleaner and more cosy but it is just not the right mood for cruising and hook ups.

Anyway, i was told by a friend of Vincent the boss that this final design layout was not what he had in mind. To renew his sauna licence, he had to obtain the Fire safety certificate. And regulations state that layout of the rooms must provide easy escape access when there is a fire. Hence the maze upstairs was torn down and became a open space. Hence the new layout downstairs where everything is open.

The opening of the new Shogun was delayed cos Vincent had to submit his design layout several times. Each time he submit the forms, he has to pay the architect n Scdf thousands of dollars.

In fact, cos of this fire safety thing n renovations, he had to borrow quite a lot of money from the bank.

Vincent had also tried to look else where for a new location but cannot find any better place.

So instead of blaming Shogun, Blame the Scdf n the Fire safety code!

Anyway, I believe that Ten men is undergoing a similar fate. I think that maybe after their renovations, the maze there may be gone too.

PS. I do not work for Shogun or own any shares of the business.

[abang]

Better be safe than Sorry.

I have yet to visit the newly renovated space yet.

FSB rules and regulations

I deal with Fire Safety Bureau in the course of my work and yes, they have very strict guidelines.

The corridors leading to the Fire Escape Exit must be at least 1.2 m.

The previous design was less than 60 cm and had to go.

SCDF/FSB look beyond the design but also into the building materials used.

Nowadays, there is even this Risk Management checks to ensure minimal chance of accident.

I dont have a share of this business.

However after reading about the financial hardship and capital investment by the Shogun management,

please lend our support and patronise the place.

[bigis4me]

From what i have read on shogun financial situation and what they are trying to do the best thing is for all of us to support our fellow people and just do with what we have or can have as they have restrictions too.

[Guest Guest]

If Shogun need additional funds, they can go for a IPO

[Guest Cancan]

Went on Sat noon for the first time

Got good younger bath for my cock and balls

Wonderful experiance as it is my first time

Try other two people

But no condemns avaliable so cannot do much

Search for Glory holes as I heard a lot, but could not find it

I will go again this week

[Guest Humble]

Sorry it is tounge both

Not younger bath

Went on Sat noon for the first time

Got good younger bath for my cock and balls

Wonderful experiance as it is my first time

Try other two people

But no condemns avaliable so cannot do much

Search for Glory holes as I heard a lot, but could not find it

I will go again this week

[free2play]

Seems I'm the only one disappointed with the changes.

Upstairs

The first thing i noticed on the way upstairs was the newly varnished and clean steps, then I was blinded by the bright lights at the top step and almost fell trying to make my way up there. I used to love the upstairs cruising areas. All the twists and turns and cosy rooms and spaces to have a great grope with someone. What's the outdoor area for? Today I managed to see no more than 3 people at a time out there and they were smoking so it turned me off being there.

To get to the dark room you have to walk past those people watching tv and disturb them. Not ideal for me. And a small dead end cruising area with a few rooms where there was no-one each time I went there to check it out.

The out door showers are a nice improvement on the old showers though.

The bar - just a way to make more money out of customers. Oh yeah......who has pockets to carry money upstairs with them??? Also the bar is right in front of the tv......poor planning.

Downstairs

Nice showers and like the shower heads with lights. Toilet area is good but putting urinals there encourages people with poor aim to splash all over the floor where people walk by to go to the steam room.

Gym room was far too cold, as was all of downstairs. It was the main reason my friend and I left. Far too cold.

The downstairs cruising area felt like a catwalk or an airport runway! So open and not much chance for privacy. Just one straight line. It needs some twists and turns for a more intimate feel.

And the biggest disappointment - the glory holes. What kind of idiot puts glory holes in a wall that's 4 inches (10cm) thick? Common sense tells you that the average Singaporean c**k isn't much longer than that, so a hole that size in a wall so thick will leave a lot of guys feeling very red faced. Also, the glory holes cubicles have no sense of privacy about them. I felt that there were many guys there wanting to use them but embarrassed to because the cubicles are now in such an exposed area of the whole sauna. Before the arrangement was quite anonymous. many guys are embarrassed to have others know that they like to suck c**k. And the lighting......way too bright! It needs to be much more subtle.

I can see how many guys would be pleased with the renovation as it does look great and everything is clean and fresh. I just think that it's change in the wrong direction for many of the customers. Lots of money spent on great cosmetic and hygienic improvements, but so little thought into design and the practicalities. The entry fee at $12 is still very reasonable.

Two thumbs up for the quality of the renovation, but two thumbs down for the new design and the facilities. Sorry Shogun, but you've lost me as a customer.

I know that my opinion is different to that of many others, but it is just that, my opinion. Please feel free to disagree with me. I'm open minded and always willing to listen to any criticism. Thanks for reading.

Went to Shogun yesterday & now I understand how many people don't like the way it is now.

The gist of it is that Shogun isn't very conducive for cruising. thick.white gave a very good review (see above). I still prefer TMC and I hope that TMC won't change its lay-out drastically now that it's undergoing renovation.

[abang]

If Shogun need additional funds, they can go for a IPO

This is the most naive idea given to boost the financial status of Shogun.

Shogun has yet to get sufficient credentials to, even, apply for IPO.

Correct me if I err here, but Shogun does not has a GST certificate.

This is NOT an advert.

After hearing so much, I will do my own "market research" this weekend.

The "permanent" fixtures cannot be changed but perhaps the addition of "temporary" structures (such as screens, curtains, 屏风) can enthuse fellow patrons to cruise more.

Let me see for myself.

[Guest Kay Kiang]

Who died and made you Board of Directors on Shogun's management?

This is the most naive idea given to boost the financial status of Shogun.

Shogun has yet to get sufficient credentials to, even, apply for IPO.

Correct me if I err here, but Shogun does not has a GST certificate.

This is NOT an advert.

After hearing so much, I will do my own "market research" this weekend.

The "permanent" fixtures cannot be changed but perhaps the addition of "temporary" structures (such as screens, curtains, 屏风) can enthuse fellow patrons to cruise more.

Let me see for myself.

[abang]

I made the "maiden" trip to Shogun.

Yes, the renovation had reduced the "useful" area of the sauna.

Like many of the disappointed patrons, I found the upper level poorly and wrongly utilised.

I managed to have a chat with Vincent and he confirmed the restrictions and constraints.

The place is supposed to run as a HEALTH club and that's explain the sudden inclusion of the few gym machines.

The building is gazetted as a heritage area and as such, there was a limitation on "constructed, permanent fixtures."

I was also informed that the snack bar counter and TV will be moving outdoors within a fortnight.

That ends the chapter of odour and noise.

Concerning the reduction of rooms, he lamented that his original idea of more rooms was rejected by SCDF.

Even the mattress in the 2 TV areas are mounted on movable boxes as "permanent" fixtures were disapproved.

Overall, I am joining the group who dislike the new layout.

The shower area is horribly small - the installation of urinals and the extra 2 shower heads leading to the steam room

looks redundant as the former shower area will soon be converted to urinals.

The open area upstairs will be strategically covered by the end of the month.

Perhaps, by then, we could have nude tanning there.

This is my overall assessment:

Layout - 4/10

Willingness to move things around - 7/10

Earnestness of staff service - 8.5/10

Go there because of the clients, be it matured or chubby.

Shogun management, touch up the outdoor area as there is potential to develop the space.

Make us like your place and return to it repeatedly.

[abang]

Who died and made you Board of Directors on Shogun's management?

No one except all the distractors and complaint kings/queens.

This is an open forum for constructive solutions to businesses.

Be more knowledgeable before making such baseless "Who died" accusations and assumptions!

[Gayslut]

Anyone care to report on Shogun's crowd as of now?

http://memoirsofagayslut.blogspot.sg/

[Guest Guest]

No one except all the distractors and complaint kings/queens.

This is an open forum for constructive solutions to businesses.

Be more knowledgeable before making such baseless "Who died" accusations and assumptions!

Abang, obviously one does not know it's bad luck to curse others during the 7th mth.

Bless your kind heart.

[lovehandle]

The boss is kind for sure , and being very considerate

He always walked around and checked things out

He placed a "screen" at the outdoor area, so that the BRIGHT and powerfully-lit exit sign will not "blind" the sleepers ..

[Guest Guest]

Was there last week, came across some china factory workers sleeping overnight at shogun. Shouldn't shogun disallowed their entry.

They're not there to play but sleeping. Some even sleep with their uniform and pyjamas.

They shouldn't come and occupy the tv hall at level 2 now that the place is so small now.

[tyan]

The price has increased. Is it worth it?

[Guest Guest]

It's damn packed right now at shogun. quite a no. of G-men - cute, hunk, chub & muscular. rms are full. No standing space & a bit too crowdwd for my own comfort

[lovehandle]

Was there last week, came across some china factory workers sleeping overnight at shogun. Shouldn't shogun disallowed their entry.

They're not there to play but sleeping. Some even sleep with their uniform and pyjamas.

They shouldn't come and occupy the tv hall at level 2 now that the place is so small now.

Is this true? Maybe one off! All foreign workers in spore has home/accomodation be it how lousy it may be

[Guest Guest]

Is this true? Maybe one off! All foreign workers in spore has home/accomodation be it how lousy it may be

yes. There was a commotion between 2 pinoys. One ugly one kept pestering teh other better looking one. There was a lot of shouting in tagalog. Boy, harass ppl & yet cursed & shouted like a fool. All rooms occupied. Surprisingly, a lot of goodlooking men tofay. Some of there 1st timer & visitors. at least 60 to 80 ppl here. I guesss most are curious to come & chexck it out

[Guest WD40]

Singaporean like to complain. Worst when it is an addicted sucker . U r fortunate u hv such venue in sg.

oh really? Entry is free?

If you have to pay a entry fee, then you should have some expectations. Of course, unless you're a big sucker ! hahahaha

[lovehandle]

Pinoys getting many!

But dont think they r homeless

[Guest Guest]

there's a line of ppl waiting for locers now, I wabt to leave but the eye candies too tempting. Maybe I wait for another hr. Kind of horny, u know?

[Guest fracas]

yes. There was a commotion between 2 pinoys. One ugly one kept pestering teh other better looking one. There was a lot of shouting in tagalog. Boy, harass ppl & yet cursed & shouted like a fool. All rooms occupied. Surprisingly, a lot of goodlooking men tofay. Some of there 1st timer & visitors. at least 60 to 80 ppl here. I guesss most are curious to come & chexck it out

Hmm .... I was there too and happened to witness the ugly fracas. And boy! It was downright embarassing ! One of the guy, i presumed the btm, was screaming like a banshee ...I have to disagree about the number of goodlooking men present though. Either my standard is wayyyy too high, or guest was obviously exaggerating. Most probably both. A lot of men, yes. But good looking? Not really. I only saw a handful ( less than 5 handsome or cute guys). I myself was trying to cruise this cute guy ( not too sure pinoy or mly or thai), but darn! He was too busy surfing the computer reading some Billboard Charts about Taylor Swift. Like, WTF, right?????

[Guest Guest]

Hmm .... I was there too and happened to witness the ugly fracas. And boy! It was downright embarassing ! One of the guy, i presumed the btm, was screaming like a banshee ...I have to disagree about the number of goodlooking men present though. Either my standard is wayyyy too high, or guest was obviously exaggerating. Most probably both. A lot of men, yes. But good looking? Not really. I only saw a handful ( less than 5 handsome or cute guys). I myself was trying to cruise this cute guy ( not too sure pinoy or mly or thai), but darn! He was too busy surfing the computer reading some Billboard Charts about Taylor Swift. Like, WTF, right?????

Aiyo, less than 5 for a club like Shogun version 3 is Very Good already. I remember yrs ago when I used to go Shogun version 1, I could count with my dick - 1 out of 100. To include my balls, 2 or 3 are pretty awesome.

Talk about goodlking, you probably could consider 10 at the ex-towel club. Like you, my standard also very high - cute/handsome face, nice toned body, no BO/bad breath, nice haircut, educated, personality, sense of humor, etc.

Have not been to the new Shogun & read the mixed reviews. Judging from the turn out as mentioned, the feedback seemed more positive than -ve. If not the turn out of handsome guy should not be that high. Awww, should have gone but ...........

[Guest curious guy]

I am straight but curious. After reading the forum, I went to shogun for a look see. This is the first time I try out any gay hangout. I couldn't find the rooms and glory holes as I was quite scared to go into the dark maze. I think the whole crowd knew I was a new bird as I was so nervous. I am 40 and I want to try something new. ( I have not engaged in any gay acts before in my life.g.)

[Guest Guest]

I am straight but curious. After reading the forum, I went to shogun for a look see. This is the first time I try out any gay hangout. I couldn't find the rooms and glory holes as I was quite scared to go into the dark maze. I think the whole crowd knew I was a new bird as I was so nervous. I am 40 and I want to try something new. ( I have not engaged in any gay acts before in my life.g.)

why now? menopause? u manly, 1.78m with glasses? hehe.

[Guest fracas]

yes. There was a commotion between 2 pinoys. One ugly one kept pestering teh other better looking one. There was a lot of shouting in tagalog. Boy, harass ppl & yet cursed & shouted like a fool. All rooms occupied. Surprisingly, a lot of goodlooking men tofay. Some of there 1st timer & visitors. at least 60 to 80 ppl here. I guesss most are curious to come & chexck it out

So here's the thing : I think it's kinda disingenuous to say that there were a lot of goodlooking men, when in reality, only a handful can be considered goodlooking. Especially if the headcount was in the 60-80 region, as quoted. Why do I have this feeling that guest was trying to over-hype the place??

Anyway, here's my take on the Shogun Revamp : Good for relaxation and unwind, not so much when it comes to sex. The 2nd floor sadly is under-utilised, especially the outdoor area. To start with, why not provide some MEN magazines as well as play some soothing music, since obviously the outdoor area is geared towards the spa look&feel? Also the dead end on the right ( on the 2nd floor) is too small for play, the area just after the curtain (near the staff rooms) is too bright to do anything frisky

The rooms on the 1st floor though are soooooo much better if compared to the rooms in the old Shogun. That's the way I like it - big enough for 3some ( my #1 agenda when I visit Shogun). Haha !! So, if there's a pleasant looking dude feeling frisky and thinking of doing a 3some, call me maybe ??? I am heading later in the evening after work ...

[Guest Guest]

So here's the thing : I think it's kinda disingenuous to say that there were a lot of goodlooking men, when in reality, only a handful can be considered goodlooking. Especially if the headcount was in the 60-80 region, as quoted. Why do I have this feeling that guest was trying to over-hype the place??

Anyway, here's my take on the Shogun Revamp : Good for relaxation and unwind, not so much when it comes to sex. The 2nd floor sadly is under-utilised, especially the outdoor area. To start with, why not provide some MEN magazines as well as play some soothing music, since obviously the outdoor area is geared towards the spa look&feel? Also the dead end on the right ( on the 2nd floor) is too small for play, the area just after the curtain (near the staff rooms) is too bright to do anything frisky

The rooms on the 1st floor though are soooooo much better if compared to the rooms in the old Shogun. That's the way I like it - big enough for 3some ( my #1 agenda when I visit Shogun). Haha !! So, if there's a pleasant looking dude feeling frisky and thinking of doing a 3some, call me maybe ??? I am heading later in the evening after work ...

I think guest was trying to be modest about the figures. From what I speculated, definintely around 100, with ppl coming in & going out( with the other under renovation)

As for goodlooking guys, they are there & gone within an hour. Have not been to the new Shogun but been reading so many things about it. If the 2nd lvl had been turned into a place for chilling out, then it's more approriate. I remember it was an add-on place with zinc roof & it was fxxking hot even with the air-con full blast. Obviously not meant for indoor space or rooms. Plus not energy efficient, too.

It's good to have a place to relax & meet up with old friends & acquaintance - no poppers, no drugs, no prostitution. Just a comfortable space to be oneself, without judgement. Sometimes, it's better than sex.

From what I have read, i never like the maze on the 1st floor. It' so scary & dark. I guess it's a better floor plan now with rooms downstairs. Are the rooms comfortable? & big enough for 3P? so funny!

[Gayslut]

I prefer the old Shogun too. New Shogun not easy to cruise. But I was lucky to hook up with a tall beefy dude.

[irus1966]

Checked out the newly refurbished shogun & was terribly disappointed by the new layout.

I would have thought the management would upgrade the 2nd floor cruising areas by

adding more rooms and cruising areas.. Now there are only a handful of cubicles &

small rooms. Seems like not much thought were put in to provide a larger play area.

I am glad that I have finally utilised my 10-visit pass and I won't be returning to it anymore.

What a shame to have spent so much money just to reduce the number of potential

clients. I think fellow competitors can breathe easier now to know that they will be

getting more business from all the disappointed ex-Shogunners.

[Firday]

pay 12 to decide .....never again.

[Guest dxn]

Use to be a regular to Shogun but quite regret paying for the 10 visit pass when i went in when they open after the renovation.

Totally dissappointed with the new layout. Feels really really uncomfortable on the 2nd floor and out of place on the 1st floor. Owner seems to forget that most guys go there for cruise and fun. If i want to watch TV i could totally sit on my own sofa and watch it at home.

If i will to rate the new reno, it would be 2 out of 10.

Seems like have to switch camp to TMC

[lovehandle]

Dxn

The tv sofa area was all along there...

[JWesley]

Yes, I totally agree. Shogun version 3 is the worst so far.

The maze is totally missing! There is just this short corridor (+ a couple of bigger dark rooms) where everyone gathers.

Its nice to have an outdoor area but this is really overdoing it. So big for what?? Waste alot of valuable space where it could be created as a mega maze. I read a previous post about it being like a Thai resort so I really had high expectations of it. Sorry guys, u better dump that idea of it being a "resort", it is FAR from it, more like a poor cousin of east coast chalet.

I will rather pay the current price for the previous Shogun. Definitely not going back again - Keybox, Ten M is better in my opinion.

I agree. Very disappointed by the glory hole. The old ones are better.

[Guest Guest]

Dxn

The tv sofa area was all along there...

Very keen eye for observation. Kudos to you!

It makes me wonder how some compaints about Shogun had to end with 'I m going to TMC or TMC is better'

I know there's penis envy but now 'sauna envy'. Hmmm, the evil of $$$$$$.

Why can't we be happy for each other & wish the best for all of us?

Isn't the pie big enough for all to share?

[lovehandle]

No1 condemns hercules or compare 17 but all trying to compared tmc with shogun (gun of all times)

TMC stands for "traditional medical cte"....... hence not really my cup of tea

it s very difficult and challenging to set up a business that caters to all tastes...haiz

some even asked why m i speaking up for shogun so much, am i a fan? Not exactly but just want to potray a fairer picture

[Guest Guest]

No1 condemns hercules or compare 17 but all trying to compared tmc with shogun (gun of all times)

TMC stands for "traditional medical cte"....... hence not really my cup of tea

it s very difficult and challenging to set up a business that caters to all tastes...haiz

some even asked why m i speaking up for shogun so much, am i a fan? Not exactly but just want to potray a fairer picture

Yes, we need to be fair & objective - professionally & personally.

That's how we evolved & established our credibility.

I used to trash Shogun especially when it was at telok ayer & hk street. It used to be so horrible & the set-up so ah beng.

But Shogun boss is learning the trade & acquiring better taste in aesthetics & design.

& you are right in your observation. The owner does not have a bad heart though he comes across as a $7.80

I guess others are threatened by the presence of Shogun in Chinatown, therefore the ^&*(&^.