raind Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 i am not sure if it is just me... but running topless used to be nothing short of normal for many of us back in the 80s and 90s. but looking at the points highlighted and the many people talking about it, it seemed like many people these days feel rather shy about it. and frankly, looking at the trends of posting, people these days seemed to be afraid of showing their bodies. just look at the number of people in this thread as well as other discussions such as bathing naked in swimming pools, open concept swimming pools etc...or is it a manifestation of the general increased perception threat to masculinity amongst males?hmmmm.... anyone any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poseidon Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 You're right in saying that guys back in the 80s & 90s didn't think much about running topless. The past few years have seen guys beefing it up in the gym for a number of reasons, i.e. to maintain a healthy level of fitness, body-building/sculpting, to attract a potential partner for keeps/fun, etc. Manhunt, '8 Days Shirtless Guys', A&F's walking advertisements, too, publicize an image that guys perceive to be a level they should attain or aspire to. I won't be hypocritical to say that I'm not one of them, but at least I can say my initial motivation was to shed the pounds. As a result, the average Singaporean man might feel that he doesn't measure up to the perceived standard, and deigns not to bare his upper body in public, which can be interpreted as being self-conscious of his physical image. Frankly, it can be daunting/intimidating for some people who associate self-confidence with self-image.Personally, I don't exactly have an awesome or "drool-worthy" bod, but I continue to run topless, simply because it's natural to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiffy729 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 yeah once u've been motivatednext time u'll be more dare to try againwhich area is ur estate?Serangoon area. "One of the best things about a forum is that it's a place where you can find the most random and outrageous quotes on the internet." - Ghandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beachboy26 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's perfectly alright to run topless in the heartlands at any time of the day. No one isn't going to stop you just because you're clad only in running shorts. I usually head down topless from my flat for my night runs, and there've not been any complaints. The local authorities will not book you either (for running topless in tights), unless your actions constitute indecent behaviour to the general public.It's a relatively common sight to see guys running topless at places such as the MacRitchie Reservoir and East Coast Park. No one isn't going to book you just because you run topless in your NSF unit before or after office hours.Above all, what matters is that you're comfortable with your body and enjoy your runs. Cheers! You're right in saying that guys back in the 80s & 90s didn't think much about running topless. The past few years have seen guys beefing it up in the gym for a number of reasons, i.e. to maintain a healthy level of fitness, body-building/sculpting, to attract a potential partner for keeps/fun, etc. Manhunt, '8 Days Shirtless Guys', A&F's walking advertisements, too, publicize an image that guys perceive to be a level they should attain or aspire to. I won't be hypocritical to say that I'm not one of them, but at least I can say my initial motivation was to shed the pounds. As a result, the average Singaporean man might feel that he doesn't measure up to the perceived standard, and deigns not to bare his upper body in public, which can be interpreted as being self-conscious of his physical image. Frankly, it can be daunting/intimidating for some people who associate self-confidence with self-image.Personally, I don't exactly have an awesome or "drool-worthy" bod, but I continue to run topless, simply because it's natural to me. thanks for all the information guys. just wanted to be careful of the environment. dont wanna offend anyone. will definitely check out these places. in my camp, ive seen some guys train topless. running and even in the gym. i think its a little more relaxed when it comes to rules in the camp in comparison to public gyms and running outside. it would be cool if public gyms allowed guys to workout topless at least in the free weights area.i think its increasingly becoming more and more difficult for guys to reach a certain image. its like every guy now has to have a muscular frame with a six-pack. its no longer something special but smtg required of guys, at least in this time and age. the media constantly projects images of guys who look close to perfect. thus, most guys feel if they dont fit that ideal, they need to shy away.i think whats most important is to eat healthy and workout. not just train solely so you can have a 6-pack. overall fitness and well-being is what will follow you in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raind Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 i think whats most important is to eat healthy and workout... overall fitness and well-being is what will follow you in the long run.agree.and what most important is to be confident and just enjoy your run, regardless of topless or not. life is too short to think about how people judge you!be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSentai Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 thanks for all the information guys. just wanted to be careful of the environment. dont wanna offend anyone. will definitely check out these places. in my camp, ive seen some guys train topless. running and even in the gym. i think its a little more relaxed when it comes to rules in the camp in comparison to public gyms and running outside. it would be cool if public gyms allowed guys to workout topless at least in the free weights area.It depends on which army camp too. There was once I went to Hendon Camp (commando camp), and I feasted my eyes on the hot guys shirtless everywhere, running, playing sports, gyming, doing repairing/carpenting work etc. I was from an air force camp (or rather, air defense camp, but same difference), so I don't get to see such/much/any hotness in my camp. 皆々様には、御機嫌麗しゅう、恐悦至極に存じ奉ります。 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yaan Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 On a related topic, when guys run topless, it would be a joy to look at them if they also wear their shorts really low waist. I noticed the younger guys nowadays are very comfortable in wearing their shorts very low, sometimes allowing people to see the V-shaped lines going down to their crotch. I think it is extremely seductive. Especially if their bodies are all sweaty. Some with underwear band exposed but for some, I don't see any sign of their underwear even while their shorts are worn low. I do that myself whenever I run topless. I wear my shorts fairly low so long as my pubic hair is not exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelife2fullest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hi, I used to run topless n when u pass ppl, can see them staring at u, some with mouth opened ... also, when I wash my car or work out topless at some park exercise stations, will c some ppl standing ard, laying down on benches, etc, & sometimes c them playing with their handphone ... which looks to me like they're taking pics of me with my sweaty body in d sun ... kinda a turn on somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasMediantor Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) For me, the best time to run topless is 4-6 pm when the sun is not so hot and shiny anymore.... Getting a short that can show off the V-line down to my crotch and tight enough to show off my butt.... And I usually run for 75 mins... I can not make sure that your body has enough sweat to release for 75 mins, so the best choice is using tanning oil before you go out for jogging.... The main purpose is the tanning oil mixed with your sweat will make your skin shine under the sun and the sun at 4-6 pm can not burn your skin but can help you to burn fat faster....And if you are confident enough of your body, the best "show" is from Outrampark to Queenstown where there are lot of cars and pedestrians moving and also there are a lot of traffic lights to allow me to stop for while to recover my energy and to show off my body at the same time ..... I used to pass the swimming pool near Redhill and got one car running behind me and "Pim Pim" me... I thought that was police and scared for a while, but Thanks GOD, that was a guy who knew "Who I am", and then a best fxxking in his house then.... LOL... Yes always horny after running and really beg for someone to fxxk me good... LOLThose are multi-benefits you can get from shirtless jogging...LOL Edited January 4, 2012 by HaThaiQuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 True to say tht back in the 80s & 90s, u tend to see more topless guys in the public. U can see them running and doing sports topless, walk to the nearby provision shop & hawker ctr topless, walking ard their park topless or washing their car topless. Even u can see those workers doing revovation in houses topless.But nowdays seldom get to see topless guys which i have mentioned above. Esp workers in revovation work in houses, maybe those workers now are mostly foreigners, which they are shy to be topless?!I personally still think being topless esp during sports nothing to be shy, esp if u have toned bod. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Today ard 9am plus, saw two topless guys running along a rd at heartlander. Really such a rare sight. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dude Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Yo guys. Other than runnin topless does anyone got other ideas for going topless or more in public? I once went into a convenience store without my shirt. Boarded a bus topless. Washed my car topless. In tpy pool, i went out to the washing basin naked to wash my trunks.Anyone shares my thrill for such things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) ..... Edited January 14, 2018 by Azorius My amateur video links: http://www.blowingwind.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=30971&p=618776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GachiMuchi Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 The Shirtless topic and this topic is now mergered. http://gachimuchi2008.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GachiMuchi Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Something I shot during my trip in HK. http://gachimuchi2008.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elasticplastic Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I dunno about the 80s. Too young then. But certainly in 90s got more shirtless guys regardless body type. And i always find them yummy. Especially shirtless guys washing their cars, or workers doing renovation. Nowadays most don't wash their own cars anymore.Went for a run yesterday evening. Disappointed that not even a single shirtless jogger. Even very fit guys are wrapped up. Haizz. In the end I took off my singlet and ran lol. Nice feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstc82 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 It's a shame if I don't share my god like rock hard body with the world, to do a service to the public service and let mortals drool as the mere sight of my magnific body will make both man and ladies climax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GachiMuchi Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 It's a shame if I don't share my god like rock hard body with the world, to do a service to the public service and let mortals drool as the mere sight of my magnific body will make both man and ladies climax.Ya, pluck away the head and eat the body. aka. prawn desu. http://gachimuchi2008.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpediem1977 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I would prefer bottomless LOL confirm "kena' STOMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Ya, pluck away the head and eat the body. aka. prawn desu. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Outdoors Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Yo guys. Other than runnin topless does anyone got other ideas for going topless or more in public?I once went into a convenience store without my shirt. Boarded a bus topless. Washed my car topless. In tpy pool, i went out to the washing basin naked to wash my trunks.Anyone shares my thrill for such things?Wow boarded a bus topless, share more details please! Thats something I really want to try one day, but have no courage to do so.. I read somewhere that someone was denied entry onto a bus because he was shirtless..and also Nudist share with us your experience of going into NTUC shirtless too! Anyway.. I think nowadays shirtlessness is not as common as in the past.. due to several reasons.. scared of skin cancer / sunburn.. STOMP... and maybe people tend to associate a shirtless guy who isn't playing sports or doing an "appropriate shirtless activity" as "uneducated" or "show off" ??Its quite sad.. but I wish Singapore would be more shirtless friendly. There was a guy who got stomped for eating at a foodcourt shirtless. In other countries, shirtlessness is so common that you find "no shirts, no shoes, no service" signs on some stores..I once saw a pictures of a shirtless hunk drinking coffee at starbucks on trevy.. if only we could do that here in Singapore without fear of being stomped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Have to accept this is s'pore lor. I agreed topless has been less common here, esp if u r not doing any sports. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 reason: reply you are suntanning.Sort of true, esp if u r doing ur sports under the hot sun. Ur body wld look ugly with tanline if u r wearing ur top under the sun. This is the reason why i go topless when i run under the sun. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erotictales Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 It's unbelievable. But some people take this very serious!http://runningshirtless.blogspot.com/http://shirtlessfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/11/shirtless-uniforms_15.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 It's unbelievable. But some people take this very serious!http://runningshirtless.blogspot.com/http://shirtlessfree...niforms_15.htmlAll those blog and websites seems like are from ang moh countries. Dun think can find any of such website in s'pore. Even have think pple will find it "prevert" or the website cld be for gays only?! Seriously dun think str8 guys in s'pore will be so serious in shirtless until they host a blog, forum or website to discuss abt it.Anyway, like i said before, shirtless in s'pore during sports and exercise confirm is not very common. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 In the 1980s, topless outside one's house was very common. I had neighbours would would stand topless at the HDB common corridor, walk down stairs to the letter box to get mails topless, wash car at open air car park topless, pop over at neighbour's house for a talk or to get something topless. They were the teens, twenty-somethings and thirty something guys. Not to mention, I saw more people running topless then. It wasn't a taboo then. These dayys, these seem to change. Have it, flaunt it. Even u not satisfied with it, nothing wrong with topless at the right places for guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 It is ok 2 run around topless.........In Aust i go to the mall topless also.......with the hot sun............it is good 2 go topless......it is not a crime.....cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malwync Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 It is ok 2 run around topless.........In Aust i go to the mall topless also.......with the hot sun............it is good 2 go topless......it is not a crime.....cheers Australia rite?so open there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Australia rite?so open there?Ang moh country always much more open lah. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 In the 1980s, topless outside one's house was very common. I had neighbours would would stand topless at the HDB common corridor, walk down stairs to the letter box to get mails topless, wash car at open air car park topless, pop over at neighbour's house for a talk or to get something topless. They were the teens, twenty-somethings and thirty something guys. Not to mention, I saw more people running topless then. It wasn't a taboo then. These dayys, these seem to change. Have it, flaunt it. Even u not satisfied with it, nothing wrong with topless at the right places for guys.So wht is the reasons behind which topless seems like become "taboo" now leh? Heard even now in the army they also seldom conduct running topless?! 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Can't Register Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Last time in Sispec Delta always run topless. And I will ogle at the topless sergeants. Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Last time in army running topless is consider a default thing to do.Last time in my camp, there was this spec default run topless whether he is running alone or with his platoon. And he wld do many sets of chin-up and push-up after his run, and can see his lean fit wet and sweaty bod, wht a droolsome scene. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torso Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I run and skete topless at ECP. Is quite common to topless guys there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athleticguy Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I always go topless when I jog at night.. nice to have the cool wind rushing against you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yaan Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Do you guys still wear briefs under your running shorts if the shorts come with inner lining? What I do is to cut away the inner lining whenever I buy a new pair of shorts, and wear briefs when i run. Does anyone do the same as me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torso Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Just the running short. No underwear, i hate wearing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I run and skete topless at ECP. Is quite common to topless guys there.Only ECP is common to see topless guys, other places dun think common. 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Do you guys still wear briefs under your running shorts if the shorts come with inner lining? What I do is to cut away the inner lining whenever I buy a new pair of shorts, and wear briefs when i run. Does anyone do the same as me?If the running shorts comes with inner lining and if i dun cut away the lining, usually i wld not wear any briefs under the shorts cos so uncomfortable. But usually i will cut away the lining, then will wear briefs under the shorts. If the running material is thin, must wear cos if the shorts got wet by sweats, it will looks very "expose"! 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Can't Register Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Woots Ulu Pandan park connector has many topless runners, even at night! o.O so different from the Jurong Lake side. Slurpsssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jogger Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Usually come out from my home topless if I go jogging with my bf. Not used to jogging with shirt and I stayed very near to the park, so neighbours already know my frequent exercise routine liao.Jogging feels cooler and less restrictive. I usually remove my shirt halfway but should try leaving home topless because it's rather pointless to carry a singlet and not wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Jogging feels cooler and less restrictive. I usually remove my shirt halfway but should try leaving home topless because it's rather pointless to carry a singlet and not wear it.I agree, if u plan to run topless from start and if u r running near ur hse, shld go leave hm topless. Pointless to take off and carry ur top on ur hand.Anyway, read one news article 2 days ago. It happened somewhere near big splash ECP. One 40 yr old doc running along tht area in the afternoon, suddenly got stopped by a passer-by guy who asked him for direction, and later the guy went deeper and introduce himself and also asked the doctor name, then out of the sudden asked the doctor can he perform oral sex on him! And the doctor got so scare until he ran as fast as he cld!When the newspaper interview the doctor, he said due to hot weather he always run topless, but he dun think this the reason which attracted "prevert" guy, although he feels tht his body not very muscular but afterall still consider not bad. The doctor also said the other time when he ran in the night, he also got approached by a stranger guy telling him he likes his body!!! 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMH Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) do u guys usually leave your place without a shirt? or take off ur shirt during the workout? i would prefer not having a shirt with me at all, but i dont dare to leave my home without a top. I would take my shirt off only during the workout and run. The park is a bit of walk from my place. Edited February 17, 2012 by ATMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) I would take my shirt off only during the workout and run. The park is a bit of walk from my place.U can start runing from ur place to the park lor, so tht u wld not feel "weird" to be topless from ur place?! Edited February 18, 2012 by alien 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malwync Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Already started to get used to leave my place without shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I saw a ang moh running without a shirt in front of marina bay sands a few weks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I saw a ang moh running without a shirt in front of marina bay sands a few weks ago. Seems like those pple who run alone at town area, like orchard, suntec or raffles, they wld be topless. I saw 3 times before in town area! But usually these pple bod is super nice! 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Already started to get used to leave my place without shirtIf the running place is infront of ur hse, it is practical to leave the shirt behind and leave ur hse w/o ur shirt. Sometimes it is quite troublesome to hold on to ur shirt while u run, unless u r using ur shirt to wipe off ur sweat, then maybe holding ur shirt to run is useful.But i still find pple in heartlander still not very open seeing topless guys! Imagine after u have finished ur run and ur body is drenched wet in ur sweat, and maybe ur running shorts is also wet with ur sweat and as if u have pee in ur shorts. When u r taking the lift with pple, somehow i find they will feel uncomfortable or staring at u as if u r some "prevert"! 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Devilishdrew Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I usually would keep my shirt inside letter box, so that I can take lift or go back home with shirt on.. If the running place is infront of ur hse, it is practical to leave the shirt behind and leave ur hse w/o ur shirt. Sometimes it is quite troublesome to hold on to ur shirt while u run, unless u r using ur shirt to wipe off ur sweat, then maybe holding ur shirt to run is useful. But i still find pple in heartlander still not very open seeing topless guys! Imagine after u have finished ur run and ur body is drenched wet in ur sweat, and maybe ur running shorts is also wet with ur sweat and as if u have pee in ur shorts. When u r taking the lift with pple, somehow i find they will feel uncomfortable or staring at u as if u r some "prevert"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I usually would keep my shirt inside letter box, so that I can take lift or go back home with shirt on..Haha, so u also "scare" pple treat u like "prevert". Oracle 1 对自己好是一种幸福, 对别人好是一种积福。 Spend time counting your blessings, not airing your complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jogger Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 If the running place is infront of ur hse, it is practical to leave the shirt behind and leave ur hse w/o ur shirt. Sometimes it is quite troublesome to hold on to ur shirt while u run, unless u r using ur shirt to wipe off ur sweat, then maybe holding ur shirt to run is useful. But i still find pple in heartlander still not very open seeing topless guys! Imagine after u have finished ur run and ur body is drenched wet in ur sweat, and maybe ur running shorts is also wet with ur sweat and as if u have pee in ur shorts. When u r taking the lift with pple, somehow i find they will feel uncomfortable or staring at u as if u r some "prevert"! I agree. Heartlanders are not so used to see topless guys jogging...I get stares all the time.Fortunately I don't stay high up. In the end of my run, I would usually use the stairs than sharing lifts and making my neighbors uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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