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From my knowledge of such a dear Indonesian friend, he did admitted paying up this Vietnamese drama queen some money over a period of time leaving behind a net amount of $450 (from $1,150). Of course, he still plan to repay this remaining amount of $450 to this Vietnamese in the very near future when his income stabilize.

I don't see & understand why this Vietnamese is making such a big hoo-ha even in this portal...when in fact this Indonesian friend of mine has been paying up constantly since January this year when this thread was first started in Jan 2011.

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Hm, I wonder what kind of Vietnamese r u? U do seem lacking of compassion pal....just over that meagre amount?? Just take it easy pal...

It's not $75k..not even $1k...less than $500....for goodness sake u would go to such an extent to make him repay back??

Stop being such an English-deficient misunderstood drama queen...this Indonesian has been paying you up constantly too...since January...

Now, I think I would think twice dealing with Vietnamese people...u're quite a rare exceptional one though..

hi OralB: Noted your advice with thanks. In case he refuse to pay the debt next time, I will publish his information and this issue on internet once I am back my country. I don’t think that he dare to fly to Vietnam to sue me in my country but I am ready to fly to his hometown and visit his family before I leave SG. I have another Indonesian friend (not Indo-Chinse) while I went to English school. He said that if I fly to Jakarta he will take me to his family and his uncle house (Just only S$75 for a round ticket with Lion airs). Last time I visited this Indo_Chinese house in Jakarta, I also took photos of his uncle’ address. They pay me back or not, it will not be a big deal. I just want to let them know that their good son is just a GAY who get online to cheat others people for money... I will do this way, if he say NO with my request next time.
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Hey guys, I think we had extended this issue towards nationality issue.

The issue here is as simple as A refused/delayed to return the full amount to B. Nothing to do with the nationality. Stay clear!

Site question, for $450, wonder A need how much time to pay back B. Perhaps his friend of C can answer the here? Perhaps weekly $100x3 and the last payment of $150 which will clear the debt within a month.

With A holder employment pass (correct me if i am wrong) is getting not less than $2K per month. Wonder how difficult to pay back $450 in short period of time? Perhaps his friend of C can help to out rather than shouting over nationality.

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It's nice to hear your voice here. You should call me "Bastard" (beside drama queen) like last time you wrote both in an email sending to me and cc to my house mates and your brother... Is it ok with you "Indonesian Pal"?

From my knowledge of such a dear Indonesian friend, he did admitted paying up this Vietnamese drama queen some money over a period of time leaving behind a net amount of $450 (from $1,150). Of course, he still plan to repay this remaining amount of $450 to this Vietnamese in the very near future when his income stabilize.

I don't see & understand why this Vietnamese is making such a big hoo-ha even in this portal...when in fact this Indonesian friend of mine has been paying up constantly since January this year when this thread was first started in Jan 2011.

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Before the two of you get on with your name callings in this forum. Please spend some time to read this link on defamation act. You might also want to consider if any words you used here is classified as publication of defamatory statement. I am not a lawyer so I am posting it here for your own reading.

I am not sure if the moderators like the ongoing here.

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I don't think that I am lacking in compassion... Have I ever asked you anything in return since u borrowed money from me. Have you ever known anyone who let you borrow without anything in return like that?

As I said before. The amount is not the point in this case but attitude!!! They just want to borrow and spend the money but they don't want to repay it back.

You remember? At the first time, I told you that we are common friends, I supported you and let you borrow the money because I know myself how difficult for a foreigner working in Singapore. I never asked anything in return from u, at least a “thank”, a drink, a dinner… but you planned to take advance on me. You made a test on me by asking me a small amount first, asking me to top up Singtel $20, ask me to borrow $50 to buy gifts for your uncle because he can’t find a POSB ATM around Chinatown (!!)… once the small amount is ok, then you asked $500 because u need to pay for the rental.. and another $700 for food… and then you confirmed by email that you won't pay back at least a single cent. (You want I publish that email for everybody can read it?). That is why I made this thread to ask advice from smart guys here (yes, I am stupid, I trust people and lost my money)

When you had money to buy an air-con and you did repay back any cent to me?? OR who just only agreed to repay since he knew that I got advice here how to deal with this issue?

Hm, I wonder what kind of Vietnamese r u? U do seem lacking of compassion pal....just over that meagre amount?? Just take it easy pal...

It's not $75k..not even $1k...less than $500....for goodness sake u would go to such an extent to make him repay back??

Stop being such an English-deficient misunderstood drama queen...this Indonesian has been paying you up constantly too...since January...

Now, I think I would think twice dealing with Vietnamese people...u're quite a rare exceptional one though..

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My advice: Take it as a lesson and move on. You know you won't get it back, so just think of it as tuition fee for not ever repeating the same mistake again. Don't make a big fuss out of it since you will gain nothing, and when pushed to the wall, people can do crazy stuff too.

I am a Vietnamese too, who had lent $2500 to a local AJ 'friend', and another $2000 to another Burmese 'friend' a few years ago. I never got back a single cent. So your lesson is still pretty inexpensive as compared to mine ;).

After much thinking, I eventually realized that it was, above all, my fault for trusting people too easily (this has nothing to do with nationality I think). If this was a crime then I was a culprit too. So if you don't want an explosion, don't pour the fuel.

I hope you can put all this grief and anger behind you. Life means much much more than this sum of money. Focus your energy in enjoying life, in making better friends and of course, in making more money to make up for that lost sum haha.

Cheers.

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You or me? Let people here comment who the truly & shamefully amazing is !?

Yes, I am poor and work hard to earn money. I have no money to study in Singapore and New Zealand like you, that is why my English is bad and make you misunderstood. Maybe your comment on last email was right "my English is bad because of karma" (this is the best funny thing I ever heard from you)...

And this is a message for you: "I only want my money back, since I work hard to get it. I have nothing to lose now"

Yeah, I also thought Vietnamese are generally not of this grudgingly misunderstood type...this one's truly & shamefully amazing...

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Indo-Chinese are people from Indo-China.

Chinese people from Indonesia are known as Chinese Indonesian.

Indonesian people who are from China (if there is such a thing) are called Indonesian Chinese.

Most of us are Chinese Singaporeans, not Singaporean Chinese.

Vietnamese in Singapore, depending on who you ask, may be known as moneylenders, prostitutes or even bastards. In this thread, I call them troll.

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Thanks for your nice advice. Do you have a profile here and how could I contact with you? Your advice will be more value if you don't sign in as anonymous.

I never want to anything with "nationality" here. I just only want to mention "indo-chinese" then people can recognize him... since these days he still get online on http://fridae.asia with race "Chinese" and because I don't want anyone here to be a next victim. And yes, I don't want he cheat on anyone for money again...

I just want my money back, once I have it back I won't bother him forever (and of course he won't bother me in return). He cheat me for money, called me "Stupid" "Bastard" "Drama queen" (I can public for your reference) ... and now I should take this issue as a lesson and say thank him for this lesson??

WHO TOLD YOU THAT "I WON'T GET IT BACK"??

My advice: Take it as a lesson and move on. You know you won't get it back, so just think of it as tuition fee for not ever repeating the same mistake again. Don't make a big fuss out of it since you will gain nothing, and when pushed to the wall, people can do crazy stuff too.

I am a Vietnamese too, who had lent $2500 to a local AJ 'friend', and another $2000 to another Burmese 'friend' a few years ago. I never got back a single cent. So your lesson is still pretty inexpensive as compared to mine ;).

After much thinking, I eventually realized that it was, above all, my fault for trusting people too easily (this has nothing to do with nationality I think). If this was a crime then I was a culprit too. So if you don't want an explosion, don't pour the fuel.

I hope you can put all this grief and anger behind you. Life means much much more than this sum of money. Focus your energy in enjoying life, in making better friends and of course, in making more money to make up for that lost sum haha.

Cheers.

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Appreciated few readers have clear mind on the nationality issue. Just take that V annd InC as a nick/name rather than nationality.

The amount of money is not the same and $!^*| value to every one of you. To me $500~$1500 is alot ( shall I consider as foreign worker? From Malaysia, anyway- just information, not to distinguish the nationality). I always think of how to save extra dolar for my family. V, i am totally with you! Your money is your money, you deserved it.

To some of the forumer who adviced from the view of "I even worse, borrowed to friend $3K/$5K/$10K/$30K and yet failed to claimed back, so take it as lesson and move on!"

I beg to differ, this is like telling your sister who being rape yesterday night: Sis, come on, you know ah, there are someone out there being gang bang, raped for few time within a year. They still alive what, no big deal. Take it as lesson and move on!

Is this the lesson that we should learn?

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Appreciated few readers have clear mind on the nationality issue. Just take that V annd InC as a nick/name rather than nationality. The amount of money is not the same and $!^*| value to every one of you. To me $500~$1500 is alot ( shall I consider as foreign worker? From Malaysia, anyway- just information, not to distinguish the nationality). I always think of how to save extra dolar for my family. V, i am totally with you! Your money is your money, you deserved it. To some of the forumer who adviced from the view of "I even worse, borrowed to friend $3K/$5K/$10K/$30K and yet failed to claimed back, so take it as lesson and move on!" I beg to differ, this is like telling your sister who being rape yesterday night: Sis, come on, you know ah, there are someone out there being gang bang, raped for few time within a year. They still alive what, no big deal. Take it as lesson and move on! Is this the lesson that we should learn?

@ MarriedTop: And what exactly do you advise him to do? There's nothing that he hasn't tried yet. You want to advise him to continue to seek for revenge for the rest of his lives? You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy? When is it going to be enough? Is it worth it?

On top of that, to compare this to a rape case is utterly ridiculous. The lender VOLUNTARILY lent the money to the guy. Unless he can provide concrete proof and go to the Court of Small Claims to sue the lendee, he won't be able to get back the money. The burden of proof is on him. The lendee can sue him back for defamation.

And enough with the nationality generalization. This gay community is already suffering so much from stereotyping, so please refrain from doing it to each other.

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@ MarriedTop: And what exactly do you advise him to do? There's nothing that he hasn't tried yet. You want to advise him to continue to seek for revenge for the rest of his lives? You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy? When is it going to be enough? Is it worth it?

On top of that, to compare this to a rape case is utterly ridiculous. The lender VOLUNTARILY lent the money to the guy. Unless he can provide concrete proof and go to the Court of Small Claims to sue the lendee, he won't be able to get back the money. The burden of proof is on him. The lendee can sue him back for defamation.

And enough with the nationality generalization. This gay community is already suffering so much from stereotyping, so please refrain from doing it to each other.

Agree with everything.

Although I think all those who don't pay back their debts are f!u#c$k%e^r&s, I personally think giving up is the best solution. For all the reasons specified on your post and the rest of this thread. Must also note that the cost of insisting the debt payback might not be worth the fight... going to court is costly not only to your wallet, but also to your time and peace of mind.

And yes, the nationality thing must be stopped. Some of the posts here are downright insulting, attacking people w/o even discussing anything that is remotely relevant to the thread.

“Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard

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Hi Jade,if you read the thread carefully I am the one/first who started to call a STOP for nationality generalization. I use country initial to further avoid nationality generalization. Shall I gain credits for this rather than getting blame from you Jade and Jerryfawne.

To clear my standing here: I am here to support V's position to claim back his money. He deserved it. I am just standing at the opposite site of the those who asked him to give up. I support him in terms of his standing and view - which is claim back the money that he deserved.

Following are your (Jade) suggestion to V? (Definitely not mine)

"You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy?"

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Hi Jade,if you read the thread carefully I am the one/first who started to call a STOP for nationality generalization. I use country initial to further avoid nationality generalization. Shall I gain credits for this rather than getting blame from you Jade and Jerryfawne. To clear my standing here: I am here to support V's position to claim back his money. He deserved it. I am just standing at the opposite site of the those who asked him to give up. I support him in terms of his standing and view - which is claim back the money that he deserved. Following are your (Jade) suggestion to V? (Definitely not mine) "You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy?"

That sentence about nationality wasn't targeting at you, and derryfawne understood it too.

Anyway I feel like you're just cheering the lender on without any concrete advice of how to get back the money. All I am saying is if he continues all these revengeful posts, people are going to turn on him too, instead of the original target, which is the lendee. So yes, as derryfawne puts it, the best solution for him now is to give up and try thinking of other positive things.

If you can't change the situation, change your own attitude. The guys was a bastard, we all get it. So just stop dealing with him and kick him out of your life for good, ok? The more you insults him on here and to everyone around you, the more bitter you will become. And the one who will keep losing more and more positivity is yourself.

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It is very nice to hear your voice again.

1. You created a profile here yesterday... just only to answer my threat??

2. Your voice named Jade is so nice, not like "Indonesian Pal" and the ones sign in as anonymous above were very aggressive about nationality.

3. As your advice that I should give up this debt? I smile when I hear it... I also like much this sentence "The burden of proof is on him. The lendee can sue him back for defamation". You are just some one online but you know exactly that I have no proof". Your feeling is excellent!!!

@ MarriedTop: And what exactly do you advise him to do? There's nothing that he hasn't tried yet. You want to advise him to continue to seek for revenge for the rest of his lives? You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy? When is it going to be enough? Is it worth it?

On top of that, to compare this to a rape case is utterly ridiculous. The lender VOLUNTARILY lent the money to the guy. Unless he can provide concrete proof and go to the Court of Small Claims to sue the lendee, he won't be able to get back the money. The burden of proof is on him. The lendee can sue him back for defamation.

And enough with the nationality generalization. This gay community is already suffering so much from stereotyping, so please refrain from doing it to each other.

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Whatever you call me as, at least you call me "communist"... I don't mind at all.. Because nationality, race, age, sex, background, cultures... is not the point to discuss on this threat (but character and attitude). I also don't be angry because I know who I am, What I should do here...

I advise you that if you don't know much about internet, then you shouldn't post anything on here. Because IT experts can check the IP address (The Internet Protocol) then they will trace your wireless access point, then I know your address. Grindr program is also working as principle. (If i am wrong, please correct me)

Indo-Chinese are people from Indo-China.

Chinese people from Indonesia are known as Chinese Indonesian.

Indonesian people who are from China (if there is such a thing) are called Indonesian Chinese.

Most of us are Chinese Singaporeans, not Singaporean Chinese.

Vietnamese in Singapore, depending on who you ask, may be known as moneylenders, prostitutes or even bastards. In this thread, I call them troll.

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Grow a pair and show yr face. Then we'll talk we meet and say it to my face. Go on.

Sign up as a member, PM me and we shall arrange a place to meet. Then, we can talk man to man and get it done and over with.

As what I said, if u are not happy, say it to my face and we can talk it out. Be a man. You know where to find me and I will be waiting.

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Thank you for your support MarriTop,

When he got the money to buy an air-con but he confirmed by email that he won't repay the debt back "at least a single cent". He also threaten to me that if I ask him to repay the debt again he will pass the email to 3rd party.

That time, I will my Mum number to him and told him that "I consider you as a friend, I help you with out anything return. Now I just want my money back, if you want to let the 3rd party know that i am gay... "Ok call my Mum and tell her my story". (of course I will do the same to his Mum!).

In case he refuse my request to pay the debt back next time. I will let the world know what kind of that guy is. I also don't want anyone here will be the next victims on fridae.

It is not that he doesn't have money. He has S90.00/month to burn at California gym… one year = $1080. I asked him why didn't repay the debt, why he bought an air-con to sleep and he told me that he has different condition, so he can't sleep with fan. The debt was one year + 5 months ago. He only agreed to repay me back when I saw this threat and yes, one time when he repay $50 he request me to write and sign on the paper. (Yeah, he is really so smart huh? and now he posted above that I have no proof to sue him?) I don't have (?) hehe...

He sent an email to my house mates and told me “stupid”, “bastard” and “drama queen”… he also has some posts signed in as Indonesian Pal and Guest above and called me “bastard” again and because he go online and cheat people for money and once they ask the debt, he threaten them... so now I should give up this debt?

Appreciated few readers have clear mind on the nationality issue. Just take that V annd InC as a nick/name rather than nationality.

The amount of money is not the same and $!^*| value to every one of you. To me $500~$1500 is alot ( shall I consider as foreign worker? From Malaysia, anyway- just information, not to distinguish the nationality). I always think of how to save extra dolar for my family. V, i am totally with you! Your money is your money, you deserved it.

To some of the forumer who adviced from the view of "I even worse, borrowed to friend $3K/$5K/$10K/$30K and yet failed to claimed back, so take it as lesson and move on!"

I beg to differ, this is like telling your sister who being rape yesterday night: Sis, come on, you know ah, there are someone out there being gang bang, raped for few time within a year. They still alive what, no big deal. Take it as lesson and move on!

Is this the lesson that we should learn?

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Hi Jade,if you read the thread carefully I am the one/first who started to call a STOP for nationality generalization. I use country initial to further avoid nationality generalization. Shall I gain credits for this rather than getting blame from you Jade and Jerryfawne.

To clear my standing here: I am here to support V's position to claim back his money. He deserved it. I am just standing at the opposite site of the those who asked him to give up. I support him in terms of his standing and view - which is claim back the money that he deserved.

Following are your (Jade) suggestion to V? (Definitely not mine)

"You want him to splash paint to the guys's house? You want him to terrorize the guy's phone? You want him to make death threat to the guy?"

Just to further clarify the misunderstanding... when I mentioned "some of the posts here are downright insulting" about people's nationality, you were not on the list of people I had in mind. :)

I disagree with you on two points, I personally think (1) that sometimes it's worth it to not insist on your right; and (2) that rape case is not comparable to unpaid debt case. But that's it. Disagreements are no crime. Neither me nor Jade were going to accuse you for anything.

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“Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard

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guys... certain postings had began to be out of point. Let's not drag nationality/ race/ whatsoever into this monetary dispute between 2 persons. Treat Vietnames and Indo-Chinese as another pair of names.

Vietnames:

At this point, what's your purpose of continuing this thread? Brainstorming ideas on how to get him to pay you back? Justifing you case of collecting money back from him? (which i think you have all the valid reasons to want to get your money back, it is YOUR money, regardless it is less than 1k) or are you warning him (i assumed you think he is reading this thread) that of the actions you will take?

i am not in a position to tell you to forgo that amount of money as I said, it is YOUR money. Of the things I have read that you intended to do (uncle lah, family lah) i hope you will do it after exhausted other means.

:thumb: When I Think It, I Do It, I Win It! :thumb:

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hi Oral-B: if you check my profile, you will see that this threat opened in January. I created this profile named "Vietnamese" because I want to look for students here to teach Vietnamese for free and in return they teach me English. I have no ideas to talk about "nationality" here.

Next month, I will request him repay my money back again. In case I have nothing from him. Then:

1. Going to the police, just only request them make a simple report to give his name on the black list.

2. Attaching the report and mail to MOM and CIA. Once his name is in black list, they will get this information if he applies PR or work permit next time.

Once I go back my country then I will do next steps:

3. Public this story and his real name, his FIN number, his photos, his family photos on internet…( I know how to make his information flooded on the internet ) If his employers check Google, they will know about it. It is also a interesting information for anyone who consider his job applications next time. Even 10 years later, his bf or anyone also can find this issue by typing his name on Google.

4. Send to his family his profile's photos that I captured on Fridae, Trevvy. And the story behind this debt.

5. Public and share this issue on facebook, and let his family, his Mum, his relatives know it (yeah, I connect to his brothers, his mum, his relatives and even his Mum’s friends on Facebook)

6. I will only remove his information on internet once I got my last dollar back.

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It is very nice to hear your voice again. 1. You created a profile here yesterday... just only to answer my threat?? 2. Your voice named Jade is so nice, not like "Indonesian Pal" and the ones sign in as anonymous above were very aggressive about nationality. 3. As your advice that I should give up this debt? I smile when I hear it... I also like much this sentence "The burden of proof is on him. The lendee can sue him back for defamation". You are just some one online but you know exactly that I have no proof". Your feeling is excellent!!!

No I didn't create a profile just to answer your thread. I created a profile because I wanted to.

I came in here to give you some advice because I was in your situation before. But your attitude is very very bad. Why are you attacking someone who wants to give you advice? Now I have begun to feel like you deserve to be cheated.

Darling, if you continue to treat people with that sarcastic, revengeful and defensive tone, you'll learn very soon that nobody is going to help you anymore because you can't even let anyone help you.

You don't deserve my advice. I take it back. And best of luck :).

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No I didn't create a profile just to answer your thread. I created a profile because I wanted to.

I came in here to give you some advice because I was in your situation before. But your attitude is very very bad. Why are you attacking someone who wants to give you advice? Now I have begun to feel like you deserve to be cheated.

Darling, if you continue to treat people with that sarcastic, revengeful and defensive tone, you'll learn very soon that nobody is going to help you anymore because you can't even let anyone help you.

You don't deserve my advice. I take it back. And best of luck :).

Thanks for your wishes! :)

U r welcome to give advice and I do thank about it. Yeah, I should do as your advice, I will give up this debt and learn this issue as a lesson in case he refuse to repay back to me next time... But I want to give him a lesson too hehe... why not? It's fair for him and me! right? Thanks again since you knew my story very well and you just created a profile and gave me some advice... I appreciate about it. I don't think your advice are good ideas and I don't accept it. So I don't need your advice, I stop to discuss with you. What I need is the way to take my money back, not the way to forgot my money.

@Guest: Yes, I am a poor guy for sure. I work hard to earn any single dollar in your rich country, I'm not rich as you guys neither... but I NEVER tell other people like him that "I am a good person, I believe karma, I have no friends in Singapore, you are only good friend" and "ask other people money for survival" but after that trying to steal their money. And last time he did tell my house mates that I am drama queen, bastard, stupid... and the worst thing that he threatened to 3rd party that I am gay. ( I can public that email here right now). Sorry I'm not stupid as he thought. I learn this issue as a lesson and yes, I will update to you what I teach him by this scandal with his relatives in case he refuse to repay the debt next month. I have a lesson, he also has a lesson. It's fair, right?

In the future, if a friend ask money for food, for survival... then we will always say NO?? That is the point I need to hear your advice now, to avoid the same mistake next time.

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