California Personal Trainer Scolds "fxxking Gay"

[Guest guest]

The incident happened yesterday 29th May.

The post below is copied from http://www.trevvy.com/sgboyx/index.php?showtopic=43856&st=20

My friend got so piss off by California Fitness male Personal Trainer who scold him "fxxking gay" that he has forward me the complaint that he has sent to CF. Tell me what you think about this incident.

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Dear California Fitness

This incident happened on Sunday 29 May 2011 at 12.45pm at California Fitness Singapore Orchard Branch. I was at the seated row machine. A book was placed at the seat and so I waited for 5 mins but no one comes to use the machine. I put the book at the side and start using the machine. Halfway, a female personal trainer came and told me that she and her female client are using the machine just now. She and her client were during some exercise at the other side. I told her that as a personal trainer, she should not have reserve seat like putting a book on the machine and deprive other members from using the machine. She did not apologize for her wrong doing but instead demanded that I have to let her client use the machine now. She then complained to her male colleague Mr K (a personal trainer) who is nearby with his own client.

As I continue to work out, I noticed that her colleague Mr K kept staring at me. When I asked him why he kept staring at me, he replied that he did not stare at me and instead turn around and said that I am staring at him. I told him who want to stare at him and I continued to do the seated row exercise. To my horror he scolded me 'gay' in front of his own male client.

I asked him why he scolded me 'gay' and Mr K replied "Because you are a fxxking gay" and then he rushes forward towards and stand very close to me. I feel threaten by Mr K behavior and he is bigger built then me. I was still doing the seating row exercise halfway when he questioned me "What is the problem with you. Do you have any issue with personal trainer?" Mr K is very rude, loud, and inconsiderate; do not consider member safety and his own safety by rushing forward standing very close to me and questioning me while I am pulling the cable at the seated row machine.

Another female staff at the counter came. I told her I want to see the manager as I want to feedback to the manager that personal trainer Mr K scold me “fxxking gay”. The female counter staff claimed that the manager is not in and asked me for my membership card. I told her that I am exercising halfway and my membership card is still with the towel staff. To get back the membership card, I need to return the towel to the towel staff but I have not finished working out. The female counter staff continues to insist that I give her my membership card without explaining why she needs the membership card. Suddenly Mr K scolded me “fxxking gay” the second time in front of the female personal trainer and the female counter staff. Mr K in front of the two staff then said “Stop behaving like a fxxking gay and act like a man. Give your membership card to us now!” I was alone at the time of the incident. 3 staffs against one member. I have no mood left to continue my workout.

When I was about to leave the gym, I saw a male staff wearing long sleeves grey shirt at the counter. I believe that that he is in the management position or manager so I approach him to feedback to him that Mr K scolded me using rude words like “fxxking gay”. Instead of asking me to sit down to discuss the incident, he just say to his staff “get his member ship card”. I am very disappointed with his reply and left. As I approached the lift, that management staff in long sleeves grey shirt ask another male personal trainer to follow me into the lift and downstairs to get my membership card. In addition, I am shock that male personal trainer used his leg to prevent the lift door from closing with another gym member in the lift. For my own safety, I told that male personal trainer that I am on a hurry. To my horror, when that personal trainer told the manager that I am on a hurry, the manager and his staff were giggling and laughing.

I was traumatized and feel threatened by this incident as I am alone and have to deal with 5 unreasonable California staffs especially Mr K who is bigger built than me and scold me “fxxking gay” at least 3 times. I don’t understand why I need to produce membership card to feedback to the manager about the incident. What did I do wrong? Why should I give them the membership card? They are in the wrong because the whole incident started because I told the female personal trainer that she should not have reserve seat like putting a book on the machine and deprive other members from using the machine. And Mr K who is a professional personal trainer and staff of CF lose his cool and scolded member “fxxking gay” more than 3 times.

I am not able to provide details like membership member or full name as I worry that the staff that I feedback about may get hold of my personal details. Please do not tell the 5 staffs involved about my email or particulars.

The 5 CF staffs involved in this incident are:

1) Mr K (Personal Trainer)

2) A female personal trainer who reserved the machine by putting a book on the seat. (I don’t know her name but Mr K should know who)

3) A female counter staff who ask me for membership card ( I don’t know her name but Mr K should know who)

4) The management staff (manager?) wear long sleeve grey shirt at the counter at on 29 May 2011 around 1pm.

5) The male personal trainer (non Chinese) that used his leg to block the lift door.

My questions for CF are:

1) Is it CF policy that personal trainer reserve machine by putting something like a book on the seat?

2) Is it CF policy that personal trainer can leave his/her clients unattended and waste their time when confronting other members?

3) Is it CF policy that their personal trainer can use vulgarity on members and label members as “gay” and “fxxking gay”?

4) Is it CF policy to get the membership card first before listening to your member’s feedback or complaint.

5) Is it CF policy that their staff don’t need to be tactful, show empathy, listen to their members encounter or feedback.

I am very disappointed with CF and hope that you can do an investigation regard the incident and give me an email reply regarding the incident.

It is a fact that CASE Singapore received hundreds of complaints about CF every year. A lot of CF members also complained in forum about the poor services. But I never expected anything like this incident to happen.

If I do not receive an email reply from CF in a week time, then I have to feedback this incident to the relevant authority that can do me justice.

Thank you.

Regards

Mr W

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Tell me what you think about this incident experienced by my friend.

My friend asked me which authority can he feedback this incident to if CF did not reply his email or take actions. I am not sure how to help him.

Anyone know what authority or what else can my friend do?

[Guest Guest]

We should definitely boycott and do a mass protest of California Fitness. Why don't you create a Facebook page and relate this incident and name the names of all concerned. With enough people "liking" your page, we will exert pressure on the California Fitness management to fire the staff concerned.

[Guest Lawyer]

U should send a lawyer letter to cf and mr k...

[evianguy]

This should definitely be reported to the straits times or today papers. Businesses are not worried until they are threatened by negative publicity.

Behavior like intimidation is a criminal offence and cannot be tolerated. I strongly encourage you to make anpolice report and name the party involved.

[Guest friend]

I strongly suggest the author of this letter to immediately make a police report as soon as possible. You were threatend and intimited, these reasons are enough to lodge a police report.

[split]

tsk tsk report them pls

[changthai]

Please file a police report! we should not tolerate this kinda of outrageous behavior. I'd say lodge the report asap, don't wait for them to get back to you! Take care of yourself..

[Guest Guest]

are they all locals?

[Guest Guest]

Before you guys start blowing up this incident, I suggest you look deeper into the issue.

Firstly, the complainant (to CF) must have been exhibiting his "gayness" openly during his past visits, perhaps unintentionally and even without his knowledge. And if you are gay: you are gay.

It is true that the Fitness Centre has seen alot of Macho Maries and this is an issue.

For the straight community, it is rather disgusting to see muscular men bahaving otherwise. And lets admit the fact that most gays have their "give-aways".

Tsk, tsk, don't go where you don't belong.

[Guest alien]

Write to the press, whether or not they will publish your article or not. Or post this incidence in blog or facebook.

[Guest Guest]

i have had numerous experience with name callinng or witness lesbians being bullied at watson,ntuc, marks & spencer.

I would advise you to lodge a police report (very useful and would pave the way for you), trust me.

It's powerful criminal psychology and the key is guilt. You have to use the trainer's guilt against him.

If you dare to file a report and remained true to the facts, you already one step ahead.

(Forging a police report or falsifying details is a chargeable offense).

Keep the report with you. I know the staffs are empowered after laughing behind your back.

Believe me. They would enjoy taunting you again.

Secondly, you know it's useless to report to the manager. This new batch pretty useless(the good ones are gone; that's why i left after feeding their pay for 10 yrs). There are the big shots who are stationed at the head office. There's one Director of Sales & Marketing whom I(the ghost whisperer) spoke to b4. He's a Caucasian. If you are able to locate him(if he's still there), pay him an unexpected visit and show him the police report.

More power to you!

[Guest Guest]

Before you guys start blowing up this incident, I suggest you look deeper into the issue.

Firstly, the complainant (to CF) must have been exhibiting his "gayness" openly during his past visits, perhaps unintentionally and even without his knowledge. And if you are gay: you are gay.

It is true that the Fitness Centre has seen alot of Macho Maries and this is an issue.

For the straight community, it is rather disgusting to see muscular men bahaving otherwise. And lets admit the fact that most gays have their "give-aways".

Tsk, tsk, don't go where you don't belong.

I had similar situation when the trainer came over and asked if we could share the equipment with his client.

Whether he openly flaunt his gayness does not mean he's opening himself to name calling.

Just like i dun like Chinese National or Indians does not give me the right or liberty to call them names.

Who knows they may feel the same towards me.

I could absent myself and take myself out of these uncomfortable social situations.

For the straight community, it is even more shocking to discover that straight-acting men are not what they are supposed to be. And lets admit the fact that most 'straight' camouflage themselves well.

[recklessbootlegger]

Before you guys start blowing up this incident, I suggest you look deeper into the issue.

Firstly, the complainant (to CF) must have been exhibiting his "gayness" openly during his past visits, perhaps unintentionally and even without his knowledge. And if you are gay: you are gay.

It is true that the Fitness Centre has seen alot of Macho Maries and this is an issue.

For the straight community, it is rather disgusting to see muscular men bahaving otherwise. And lets admit the fact that most gays have their "give-aways".

Tsk, tsk, don't go where you don't belong.

However gay the complainant may be it is not right for the trainer to be so rude and vulgar. It's all part of PR skills that they be polite as they are representing the organization. This is downright rude and an ugly incident. I hope it will be justly managed. CF is indeed not the most well-managed gym.

[Guest Guest]

Before you guys start blowing up this incident, I suggest you look deeper into the issue.

Firstly, the complainant (to CF) must have been exhibiting his "gayness" openly during his past visits, perhaps unintentionally and even without his knowledge. And if you are gay: you are gay.

It is true that the Fitness Centre has seen alot of Macho Maries and this is an issue.

For the straight community, it is rather disgusting to see muscular men bahaving otherwise. And lets admit the fact that most gays have their "give-aways".

Tsk, tsk, don't go where you don't belong.

The law in this country discriminates gays. So, should all gays, therefore, leave this country since we don't really belong here?

Being sissy is not equivalent to being gay. You may want to get that point straight. That aside, if California gym wants to discriminate and service only those "straight" patrons, then state so upfront. This is all about business ethics, isn't it? If they are out to earn our pink dollars, then better start showing basic courtesy you would accord to any other human beings.

[abang]

Since the reconstruction of Toa Payoh SAFRA, I had a choice to join Cali at a promotional package. I declined as I did not want to be harrassed by pushy Personal Trainers.

So I just pay $2.50 everytime I used the Sports Council Gym. Yes, the facilities aint that good but as a casual gymmer, it is sufficient.

Although PTs are like sales personnel and they need to fulfill the quota and sometimes, they have to go all out for the same (small) pool of potential clients, there is no reason to call you names.

[Guest Guest]

Since the reconstruction of Toa Payoh SAFRA, I had a choice to join Cali at a promotional package. I declined as I did not want to be harrassed by pushy Personal Trainers.

So I just pay $2.50 everytime I used the Sports Council Gym. Yes, the facilities aint that good but as a casual gymmer, it is sufficient.

Although PTs are like sales personnel and they need to fulfill the quota and sometimes, they have to go all out for the same (small) pool of potential clients, there is no reason to call you names.

YEAH! Now the trend is 'NO FRILLS'. No worries, Save Money(& Face).

[Guest alien]

i have had numerous experience with name callinng or witness lesbians being bullied at watson,ntuc, marks & spencer.

I would advise you to lodge a police report (very useful and would pave the way for you), trust me.

It's powerful criminal psychology and the key is guilt. You have to use the trainer's guilt against him.

If you dare to file a report and remained true to the facts, you already one step ahead.

(Forging a police report or falsifying details is a chargeable offense).

Keep the report with you. I know the staffs are empowered after laughing behind your back.

Believe me. They would enjoy taunting you again.

Secondly, you know it's useless to report to the manager. This new batch pretty useless(the good ones are gone; that's why i left after feeding their pay for 10 yrs). There are the big shots who are stationed at the head office. There's one Director of Sales & Marketing whom I(the ghost whisperer) spoke to b4. He's a Caucasian. If you are able to locate him(if he's still there), pay him an unexpected visit and show him the police report.

More power to you!

Wondering where is california gym head office located?

Whether under wht situation, as a service personnel they are in the wrong if they called u names or uses vulgar. I think this way too unprofessional.

[Guest intrigued]

im really intrigued to see how CF handles the complain. it is pretty rude for Mr K to use such words against a person, especially if you're their customer. on top of that, its not reasonable for someone to make a feedback to the management about the quality of their service only if they're a member of CF. its so ridiculous. i strongly encourage you to raise this issue to CASE. CF is in need for some negative publicity.

[Guest Guest]

The law in this country discriminates gays. So, should all gays, therefore, leave this country since we don't really belong here?

Being sissy is not equivalent to being gay. You may want to get that point straight. That aside, if California gym wants to discriminate and service only those "straight" patrons, then state so upfront. This is all about business ethics, isn't it? If they are out to earn our pink dollars, then better start showing basic courtesy you would accord to any other human beings.

We make the best of every situation.

Singapore gay scene is even more vibrant than 15 yrs ago.

Gays were like roaches and rats (forgive me for that description)when it came to cruising.

Now we have so many established venues. Be grateful.

I lived in SF for a few yrs and was not totally free of discrimination, but less.

you could consider upgrading yourself to a hotel gym like marriott(x), hilton or traders(have mthly pass).

Get pampered in a 4 or 5 stars environment and be treated like a queen .

Believe ne, they may want to call you gay in their heart but you are always address as 'sir'.

Boost to your ego. hehe...

[Guest Guest]

We make the best of every situation.

Singapore gay scene is even more vibrant than 15 yrs ago.

Gays were like roaches and rats (forgive me for that description)when it came to cruising.

Now we have so many established venues. Be grateful.

I lived in SF for a few yrs and was not totally free of discrimination, but less.

you could consider upgrading yourself to a hotel gym like marriott(x), hilton or traders(have mthly pass).

Get pampered in a 4 or 5 stars environment and be treated like a queen .

Believe ne, they may want to call you gay in their heart but you are always address as 'sir'.

Boost to your ego. hehe...

Grateful for treating us, human beings as human beings. How noble indeed!

Why should we be bothered what they think in their hearts? It voices down to professionalism isn't it? You may have your personal beliefs but when it comes to work, shouldn't someone show professionalism and put aside their personal convictions?

The way you put it sounds as if we should only expect professionalism in high end trades.

[Guest I smell a "rat"]

This story is a bit similar to a posting about someone being bullied in a movie theatre quite some time back (and that turned out to be a hoax). I think our community should investigate if it is true before stomping into Cali gym angirly. This guy may be trying to lure the gay community from coming out of our closet unwittingly. If it is true, yes, we have the right to be angry and Cali Gym Management should take corrective action. And the victim should definitely make a police report. But if is not true, then we may have fallen into this prankster's trap. Be careful.

[Guest rude?]

The person who felt intimidated should just contact the head office of CG to lodge the report.

It was smart of him not to surrender his membership card as the branch or gym can get rid of his card and ban him instead.

If this complaint is genuine, then the 'victim' should just get in touch with a lawyer to write a letter of complaint. There is no need to be nice to a service establishment if they have a few bad eggs.

[Guest Guest]

Your friend is too soft lah, I will not be intimated by those guys even if they are bigger size (maybe it is because I am aggressive by nature). I will not even allow them to scold me the second time. Immediately if he used that on me, I will call the police (Singapore Law - (1) you cannot scold a person "fxxk". (2) "gay" - defamation) then sue the staff, follow by blowing up the matter in the press. If this thing happen to me, you will see that how California is going to kneel.

[Guest bian tai]

must ba tat guy like a pervert keep peeping at the PT... then coupled witt he ah kua look.. confirm kana scolding la...

tok so much.. wana peep at str8guys be prepared to get scolded la...

[oralb]

must ba tat guy like a pervert keep peeping at the PT... then coupled witt he ah kua look.. confirm kana scolding la...

tok so much.. wana peep at str8guys be prepared to get scolded la...

seriously, people like this makes me wanna reconsider allowing guest posting.

[imchaser]

are they all locals?

What r u trying to imply? No need to go there please.

And report police? and let all the outrageous things ppl do in the shower room get known to public? I just said just boycott quietly is the better idea.

Edited May 30, 2011 by imchaser

[steelwings]

Before you guys start blowing up this incident, I suggest you look deeper into the issue.

Firstly, the complainant (to CF) must have been exhibiting his "gayness" openly during his past visits, perhaps unintentionally and even without his knowledge. And if you are gay: you are gay.

It is true that the Fitness Centre has seen alot of Macho Maries and this is an issue.

For the straight community, it is rather disgusting to see muscular men bahaving otherwise. And lets admit the fact that most gays have their "give-aways".

Tsk, tsk, don't go where you don't belong.

There is a difference between being called gay and fxxking gay. What is so disgusting about 'masculine men behaving otherwise' (ang moh corrected, and you are welcome) and, Who is to say that muscle-men must be manly? To all readers, never let anyone tell you that there is a place that you do not belong to. Being gay do not restrict your freedom or rights, you can go anywhere at anytime, especially if you paid for it - that translates you to be, THE boss.

I am not sure if this incident had really taken place, becos I only see initials w/o real names. Mr K....? Who exactly. And if it did happen, I am shocked because I have had two trainers @ CF before and met many other trainers (male or female) from the gym(s), they are all very nice and friendly people.

[Guest Guest]

What r u trying to imply? No need to go there please.

And report police? and let all the outrageous things ppl do in the shower room get known to public? I just said just boycott quietly is the better idea.

cos i have seen other nationalities being more yaya than the locals. including those trainers.

TS, my heart goes out to you. But I'm surprised you get attacked by everyone in a single day single trip.

[boyfren]

We should hear both side of the story.

I heard about a gay tried to pick up the personal trainer, but was rejected, so he made up some stories to get the personal trainer in trouble.

[Guest Guest]

We should hear both side of the story.

I heard about a gay tried to pick up the personal trainer, but was rejected, so he made up some stories to get the personal trainer in trouble.

Yea do not be too quick to judge. Of course this is nothing against the TS but there are always two sides to a coin.

[Guest Silly Gays]

We should hear both side of the story.

I heard about a gay tried to pick up the personal trainer, but was rejected, so he made up some stories to get the personal trainer in trouble.

Honestly I find many "holes" in the story. First of all most of the Cali gym trainers KNOW that they have lots of gay clients.

2nd, Cali Gym's horrible service applies to all, straight, gay, old, young, angmo, whatever. How many times I saw customers (curiously usually females of Singapore/Western nationality) arguing with them over the membership thing at the reception area.

I find the story "weird" in which the PT (not an inexperienced one) will suddenly scold "gay" out of the blue.

Seriously, just boycott the place if you are unhappy or just ask to see the more senior management.

[Guest Ironrod]

Have some GUTS stand up for yourself.

As a paying customer we need not be bullied by trainers. The fact that TS keeps stressing Mr K is BIGGER then me pisses me off.

So what he is BIGGER then you?? If he dare to physically abuse you, he can prepare to go jail.

The fact u are scared makes them more "ya ya".

If somebody call me a fxxking gay, I would show them what a fxxking gay is and make sure police is called and apologies is in place. I will not wait and go home and write a stupid complain letter.

Btw TS should cancel your gym membership base on the complain above irregardless.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Anybody dares to scold "fxxking gay" better be prepare to face a "gay's wrath"

[Guest Guest]

Grateful for treating us, human beings as human beings. How noble indeed!

Why should we be bothered what they think in their hearts? It voices down to professionalism isn't it? You may have your personal beliefs but when it comes to work, shouldn't someone show professionalism and put aside their personal convictions?

The way you put it sounds as if we should only expect professionalism in high end trades.

No lah. Just have a bit of Ah Q spirit or 'Forest Gump' mentality. Lighten up lah.

[delirious30]

The issue is not whether he is gay or not a gay. by the fact that u wrote in this forum, u r already one. whatever u did looking or staring. it does not summoned for a staff to use profanity against a client in a commercial premises. Because MR K has used profanity the word "FXXKING" against u. It has created an unnecessary embarrasssement against u in a commercial premises. Beside as a CF member, you have every right to demand an apologize from the service provider, CF.

Hence the first thing lodge a police report and attached it with a letter of demand for apologize to CF.

[Guest SAM Murai]

Wondering where is california gym head office located?

Whether under wht situation, as a service personnel they are in the wrong if they called u names or uses vulgar. I think this way too unprofessional.

Head office at Novena(next to the gym), 6836 2388.

Any issue regarding personnel, there's a membership relations manager you could speak to. Her name is Chris.

Other members also raise a good point. This needs further verification from both ends.

Just hope that this is not a hoax (like the samathan-of-holland-V publicity) or a personal vendetta disguised as a public propaganda.

In the mean time, have a safe & blissful workout.

[Guest SAM Murai]

The issue is not whether he is gay or not a gay. by the fact that u wrote in this forum, u r already one. whatever u did looking or staring. it does not summoned for a staff to use profanity against a client in a commercial premises. Because MR K has used profanity the word "FXXKING" against u. It has created an unnecessary embarrasssement against u in a commercial premises. Beside as a CF member, you have every right to demand an apologize from the service provider, CF.

Hence the first thing lodge a police report and attached it with a letter of demand for apologize to CF.

The police report is a good way to AUTHENTICATE this incident.

If the victim is reading this, pls update us with the latest.

[Guest GUEST]

Head office at Novena(next to the gym), 6836 2388.

Any issue regarding personnel, there's a membership relations manager you could speak to. Her name is Chris.

Other members also raise a good point. This needs further verification from both ends.

Just hope that this is not a hoax (like the samathan-of-holland-V publicity) or a personal vendetta disguised as a public propaganda.

The police report is a good way to AUTHENTICATE this incident.

If the victim is reading this, pls update us with the latest.

Good suggestion SAM :thumb:

[Guest know the law]

Someone said the following:

On the issue of provocation, consider Section 13C of the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order And Nuisance) Act:

Fear or provocation of violence

13C. Any person who in a public place or in a private place —

(a) uses towards another person threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour; or

(b) distributes or displays to another person any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him or another person by any person, or to provoke the immediate use of unlawful violence by that person or another person, or whereby that person is likely to believe that such violence will be used or it is likely that such violence will be provoked shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000.

It was alleged that the lady trainer was provoked. What exactly was she provoked? Was she provoked by any threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour from W? Did equipment rudely taken away or taken without permission constitute 'threatening, abusive or insulting' behaviour? If she was provoked because she was 'buaysong' that her equipment was taken away discourteously, her claim must fail.

Since there were no action elements from W, there was no need to consider the second part of the section. The lady trainer could not be said to be provoked.

Instead, there appeared to be provocation by K on W. (It was fortuitous that W did not strike back as it would be unfavourable if W did so since K did not hold up any 20kg dumbbell. There is no need to consider private defence for now.)

So, there may be at two offences chargeable against K:

'Fear or provocation of violence' under Section 13C of the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order And Nuisance) Act.

'Assault' under section 351 of the Penal Code.

Which is the better one?

[Guest know the law]

Someone shared the following info about the law regarding this case:

The police may classify the case as assault, chargeable under section 351 of the Penal Code.

Assault

351. Whoever makes any gesture or any preparation, intending or knowing it to be likely that such gesture or preparation will cause any person present to apprehend that he who makes that gesture or preparation is about to use criminal force to that person, is said to commit an assault.

Explanation.—Mere words do not amount to an assault. But the words which a person uses may give to his gestures or preparations such a meaning as may make those gestures or preparations amount to an assault.

Illustrations

(a) A shakes his fist at Z, intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause Z to believe that A is about to strike Z. A has committed an assault.

(b) A begins to unloose the muzzle of a ferocious dog, intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause Z to believe that he is about to cause the dog to attack Z. A has committed an assault upon Z.

© A takes up a stick, saying to Z, “I will give you a beating”. Here, though the words used by A could in no case amount to an assault, and though the mere gesture, unaccompanied by any other circumstances might not amount to an assault, the gesture explained by the words may amount to an assault.

[Guest SAM Murai]

We should hear both side of the story.

I heard about a gay tried to pick up the personal trainer, but was rejected, so he made up some stories to get the personal trainer in trouble.

Could u expound on this.

How did you know? The source?

Who are the trainer/gay? What happened?

When? Which location? Any witness?

Need to verify all details.

[eric6363]

seriously, people like this makes me wanna reconsider allowing guest posting.

Seriously, you should ban guest postings once and for all!

[Guest smelled fishy too]

This story is a bit similar to a posting about someone being bullied in a movie theatre quite some time back (and that turned out to be a hoax). I think our community should investigate if it is true before stomping into Cali gym angirly. This guy may be trying to lure the gay community from coming out of our closet unwittingly. If it is true, yes, we have the right to be angry and Cali Gym Management should take corrective action. And the victim should definitely make a police report. But if is not true, then we may have fallen into this prankster's trap. Be careful.

Fully agreed. If the guy felt threatened, why he did not call the police? Something is not right in this story. and drama queens in here get so excited to buy his story. Cool done 1st and analyze it once and again.

[Lovensick]

It's easy to report police, but you do know that you need enough evidence to put this case through a trial right? It won't be easy to win a case like this, the police will probably end the case with no further action...

And seriously, would you report such unpleasant but otherwise no-big-deal case to the police? Is that what you think you'll do the moment you got "threatened"? I think most people won't want to deal with doctor, lawyer and police if unnecessary, that includes me...

Anyway, I would go for the "fun" way, organize a "fxxking Gay" gathering with the personal trainer

Edited May 31, 2011 by Lovensick

[Guest Guest]

The President of California Fitness is Colin Heggie based in Hong Kong. You can contact him at colinheggie@californiafitness.com. Please write to him only if your account is true.

[Guest Private]

If the above mentioned incident is true and it did happened, the possible actions that Mr W could take are endless. Sending an email to the management is not going to work. We all know that such email are usually read by the management staff themselves, and not by the president or the stakeholders, they are usually quick to sweep it under the carpet and replied with a diplomatically corrected email template. A possible way to gain maximum exposure would be to CC all competitor gym, airing their dirty laundry.

[Guest SAM Murai]

If the above mentioned incident is true and it did happened, the possible actions that Mr W could take are endless. Sending an email to the management is not going to work. We all know that such email are usually read by the management staff themselves, and not by the president or the stakeholders, they are usually quick to sweep it under the carpet and replied with a diplomatically corrected email template. A possible way to gain maximum exposure would be to CC all competitor gym, airing their dirty laundry.

Sad but true. This lack of transparency and professionalism are very common nowadays especially when it comes to staff's wrong doing.

IF THIS IS TRUE, it would be a PR nightmare to smooth and straighten things out.

One detail mentioned is true. Some trainer has a habit of putting a black clip file on top of the benches or machines to reserve for their clients.

Just hope this would be resolved soon.

[Guest Guest]

If the above mentioned incident is true and it did happened, the possible actions that Mr W could take are endless. Sending an email to the management is not going to work. We all know that such email are usually read by the management staff themselves, and not by the president or the stakeholders, they are usually quick to sweep it under the carpet and replied with a diplomatically corrected email template. A possible way to gain maximum exposure would be to CC all competitor gym, airing their dirty laundry.

One method to get the largest exposure about the case is to -- talk to the New Paper reporter. They are more than "Happy" to publish this news on the tabloid.

[No Frills Factory Outlet]

This story is a bit similar to a posting about someone being bullied in a movie theatre quite some time back (and that turned out to be a hoax). I think our community should investigate if it is true before stomping into Cali gym angirly. This guy may be trying to lure the gay community from coming out of our closet unwittingly. If it is true, yes, we have the right to be angry and Cali Gym Management should take corrective action. And the victim should definitely make a police report. But if is not true, then we may have fallen into this prankster's trap. Be careful.

why would people go thru that to create a hoax ? u pro CF is it ? hiding behind a guest nick... tsk tsk.

[No Frills Factory Outlet]

Fully agreed. If the guy felt threatened, why he did not call the police? Something is not right in this story. and drama queens in here get so excited to buy his story. Cool done 1st and analyze it once and again.

are u also smell a rat ? sounds like the same person.

going to the police is not easy as you will be outed and that's still very stigma in Singapore.

right or not, not up to a guest like u to judge.

drama queens ? lol then why bother coming onto this forum ?

[Guest guest]

At the other forum (Trevvy) we now know that California Fitness' responded (I quote the victim's post below):

California Fitness has apologised to me via email with regard to the incident. So I don't think I will continue to pursue the matter. However, it will take time for me to regain confidence to go that gym again.

Thank all of you for your comments and advices.

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Please accept our sincere apologies for your recent unpleasant

experiences at Orchard club.

We would like to confirm that the appropriate corrective measures have

been taken against the staff involved. Please be assured that we have

taken the necessary precautionary measures as we are committed to

providing a high level of service, thus are continuously improving to

serve our members better.

In lieu of the internal actions taken on our end and the conversation

with our Country Operations Manager, we will conclude that the issue at hand has been resolved and the matter has been closed.

We would appreciate your cooperation and understanding, in the event if

you may have/not publish or write about this incident at forums or other

external platforms, to kindly remove/delete since the issue at hand has

been resolved.

We thank you for your support and understanding.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,

Member Relations Team

California Fitness Singapore

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