Pink Dot Event Discussion (2007 to Present Day) (compiled)

[abang]

JK and her son was in front of me of that ice-cream queue.

They were very friendly with me although I did not know who she was ..until when we were told that the ice-cream had exhausted.  Now you know why I was happy to meet them.

 

I hope next year's event will be a more solemn one ..

Instead of a large gathering, there should be smaller group discussions on issues that are relevant to us...

 

Also for the next set of ambassadors, get someone outside the ARTS arena... I am sure we have other suitable candidates, right?

Edited July 1, 2013 by abang

[Guest Duh]

Awareness I referred to is about the correct understanding on lgbt..especially the misconception of so many who still see it as a choice. Not really knowing a person's sexual orientation.

The visibility I see here helps in terms of how a society has grown towards acceptance, not exactly the visibility of individual at the event. Wearing pink at the event doesn't imply that your are lgbt, you could be a straight person there to support the cause.

It is not possible to change mindset immediately. It takes time. It takes time for someone to reconcile with his or her own sexuality. It takes time to gather the courage to be yourself and lead the life you want. It also takes time see the changes in the society and be open and accepting to differences in others.

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Again, you're missing the point - the people who were at the event, are those who are already glbt friendly to begin with.

 

At what point during the event, did you reach out to a homophobe and attempt to correct him?

 

You do know a homophobe will not actively peruse glbt material, and will also automatically tune out news broadcasts of said event?

 

Care to explain in detail how your supposed "awareness" works, when all it does it run round in circles, the same existing circles that don't really need the awareness to begin with?

 

Secondly, visibility and acceptance is not one and the same. You can have a friend / colleague wearing pink with you, because they see it as a fun event - when things get down and dirty how many of them are going to stand up and be counted?

[Guest Guest]

Many present or younger generation straight guys are actually accepting of gays initially or adopt the 'im okay with your lifestyle as long as you dun bother me' mentality.

 

But it's because some gays go and sexually harassed them or think that 'I can convert a straight guy to gay' that got some straight guys crossing over to the other camp and hating gays.

 

Sometimes, we must think of what some black sheeps on our side have done instead of accusing that they are homophobic. To the black sheeps, how will you react if the straight guys tell you to 'stop being gay and convert to a straight guy.' If a guy is fucking straight, dun go and touch him!

[Guest Guest]

Again, you're missing the point - the people who were at the event, are those who are already glbt friendly to begin with.

At what point during the event, did you reach out to a homophobe and attempt to correct him?

You do know a homophobe will not actively peruse glbt material, and will also automatically tune out news broadcasts of said event?

Care to explain in detail how your supposed "awareness" works, when all it does it run round in circles, the same existing circles that don't really need the awareness to begin with?

Secondly, visibility and acceptance is not one and the same. You can have a friend / colleague wearing pink with you, because they see it as a fun event - when things get down and dirty how many of them are going to stand up and be counted?

The fact that the event is covered in the press, on social media..

The fact that the crowd is growing each year..

The fact that there are families bringing young and old

The fact that it brought up debate online...

The fact that it garnered support and sponsorship from big corporations..

If a person who has eyes to see and the capacity to think logically, will he or she wonder why on earth lgbt deserve such attention. Will he or she start to doubt his or her own belief. Will they not see that there r other ways to treat lgbt other than intolerance and hate. Will they not see that they don't hv to protect their children from the bad influence of lgbt..

If the support continue to grow, will they not ask themselves " are they crazy or am I stupid?"

If someone automatically tune out the news coverage, it is also considered a response.

And also It is not totally impossible that homophobe get converted thru pink dot.

[alien]

Some of the late 70s and early 80s should know him. 

 

Freedom is not free; it is attained with increased constitution and/or self-responsibility.

Who is he?

[alien]

I was rather amused when I entered Chinatown Point and walked past the said eatery. The guy said the same thing when he saw my group "Pink colour, come come!" Didn't occur to me at that point in time that he was making fun of us (or maybe he did!?), cos sounded more like he was trying to get biz.

 

Anyway, it was quite a nice sight to see the place flooded with pink... haha...

 

My friends and I ended up eating at the same eatery as there were long Q at other restaurants.

Trying to get biz is gd but calling pple pink color, it sound a bit like "making fun", cos i saw the guy expression, seems like "laughing" at the pple.

Anyway, doesn't really bothers me lar, just an observation only.

[alien]

left guy is caleb goh right? some tv host and actor back in 1990s.

No wonder i find him so familiar. Caleb goh still looks so cute n gd.

[oveal]

Many present or younger generation straight guys are actually accepting of gays initially or adopt the 'im okay with your lifestyle as long as you dun bother me' mentality.

 

But it's because some gays go and sexually harassed them or think that 'I can convert a straight guy to gay' that got some straight guys crossing over to the other camp and hating gays.

 

Sometimes, we must think of what some black sheeps on our side have done instead of accusing that they are homophobic. To the black sheeps, how will you react if the straight guys tell you to 'stop being gay and convert to a straight guy.' If a guy is fucking straight, dun go and touch him!

 

I think a common misconception that straight guys tend to have is that they think once you're gay, you would like ALL men. Hence they get afraid and paranoid that gays will hit on them. They need to know that like them, we have preferences too!

 

That being said, I do agree a little with the philosophy that if someone is straight, don't go touch him. However I also know of some guys who were supposedly straight but end up turning gay. It's probably more complex than that in the sense that one's sexuality is fluid and lies on a continuum so straight guys are not 100% straight and can potentially like guys. Maybe it's okay to hit on a straight guy who may potentially fall for you, but know your limits! 

[oveal]

Back to topic...

 

What do you guys foresee at next year's Pink Dot? HLP is really saturated and PD seems to have reached a plateau. I'm really interested to know what the committee is going to do next! I really hope PD can expand and reach out to even more people, but there seem to be so many red tapes  

[Guest Guest]

No wonder i find him so familiar. Caleb goh still looks so cute n gd.

 

he has the boyish look but can see quite old liao....

[Guest Guest]

But seriously, walking around all wearing pink in my group (12 people) from HLP to Boat Quay for dinner did not raise any weird looks or comments or whatever. Passing in front of those "very straight" joints (snooker place, ktv, bars) was fun. They just watched us pass by, some smiled (and no, it's not a mocking smile), some asked us what was going on, etc...

At the restaurant in Boat Quay, all the waiters and waitresses asked us where we came from and what was all think pink thing and seemed curious about it. And that is all the point about it.

 

 

people in nightlife joints are different.....they are more open minded....not so opinionated

[alien]

he has the boyish look but can see quite old liao....

Think he is in his mid 30s, not old la.

[alien]

I think a common misconception that straight guys tend to have is that they think once you're gay, you would like ALL men. Hence they get afraid and paranoid that gays will hit on them. They need to know that like them, we have preferences too!

 

That being said, I do agree a little with the philosophy that if someone is straight, don't go touch him. However I also know of some guys who were supposedly straight but end up turning gay. It's probably more complex than that in the sense that one's sexuality is fluid and lies on a continuum so straight guys are not 100% straight and can potentially like guys. Maybe it's okay to hit on a straight guy who may potentially fall for you, but know your limits!

Agreed, gays also same like str8, also have our preference n choice. Not all guys we will like. But I still cannot accept tht many pple still think gay choose to be gay?!

[Guest Guest]

 

right side cuter

[Guest tinker]

 

right side cuter

Agree, agree ! any detailed info about him?

[Guest Guest]

Agree, agree ! any detailed info about him?

1.72m 61kg

[Guest Duh]

The fact that the event is covered in the press, on social media..

The fact that the crowd is growing each year..

The fact that there are families bringing young and old

The fact that it brought up debate online...

The fact that it garnered support and sponsorship from big corporations..

If a person who has eyes to see and the capacity to think logically, will he or she wonder why on earth lgbt deserve such attention. Will he or she start to doubt his or her own belief. Will they not see that there r other ways to treat lgbt other than intolerance and hate. Will they not see that they don't hv to protect their children from the bad influence of lgbt..

If the support continue to grow, will they not ask themselves " are they crazy or am I stupid?"

If someone automatically tune out the news coverage, it is also considered a response.

And also It is not totally impossible that homophobe get converted thru pink dot.

 

1. You thoroughly avoided answering my question in my previous post.

 

2. This is not a bread and butter issue. You are assuming everyone has the same priorities as you - they do not. Why don't you do a quick straw poll in your office among heterosexuals and see how many of them feel the way you suppose they should? (do it. do it. do it. Do it and destroy your fallacies)

 

And based on your logic, the courtesy and try return campaign, both of which have significantly more coverage and money pumped in, should then be a resounding success (since coverage = think about issue = change). They were epic fails (the courtesy campaign particularly, was for a number of years). If Singaporeans were that spiritually or socially aware in the first place, would they need pushing?

 

They won't ask themselves if they are crazy or stupid, they won't even care. This is not GST credits, a pay rise, HDB flat ballot or a baby bonus.

 

3. Even the Hello Kitty queue has stirred debate online. And without the need to intentionally spread the word on social media or corporate sponsorship even. Your point is?

 

4. "Families young and old?" As I've said, preaching to the converted.

 

Everything you've said is presuming and assuming.

 

 

You know, City Harvesters are so fervent in their support for their pastor, no matter what actually happens.

 

Aren't you demonstrating the exact same behaviour where this event is concerned?

[Guest Guest]

 

 

LOL you guys damn resourceful! :clap:

 

so how old is he?

[alien]

 

right side cuter

Same guy as on the earlier pic?

[xoxo77]

To my compatriots in Singapore and fellow supporters of the PinkDot SG 2013, thank you for turning up to support the event. I was amazed by the huge turnout. It was a day which we in LGBT world are not judged by any one or someone else in the event. It is a day which we show our love, compassion, care and kindness towards others.

 

The journey towards a more inclusive is long and difficult, but we know that we are taking initiative to get there. Hold on my friends, brothers and sisters, there are more stumbling blocks ahead, but together we can overcome any hindrance with dignity and pride!

 

We are here to create awareness, to support the freedom to love whoever we want as we know asking for full legalisation of LGBT marriage is a far-fetched dream, but it will come on day. Perhaps next millennium?

 

But at least we are taking steps now to get there........It is not about supporting full legalisation for LGBT marriage, it's about freedom to love.

 

We just want to be heard, we have suffered and is still suffering in silence. Let this be a day that we can remember forever. A day that we put aside our differences and embraced each others' strength, ability and contribution towards the society.

 

It was my my first PinkDot event, and I believe there are more to come for me........and my partner who I met for the first time during the event after almost a year in correspondence through internet.

 

PinkDot SG 2014, see you there!!

 

xOxO.

Edited July 2, 2013 by xoxo77

[sportsboysg]

u know him? how old is he? looks like undergrad....

he's already 30

[Guest BF]

bottom.. close to 30

[junxiang]

 

right side cuter

Right guy beri nice, left also not bad la

 

if separate pic, the left guy will stand out, but put together, the left guy too powerful

Edited July 2, 2013 by junxiang

[ChiSquare]

Ahhh!...

I just wondering if this 2 person in the spotlight read this post.

Hahaha!

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Ahhh!...

I just wondering if this 2 person in the spotlight read this post.

Hahaha!

U know them?

[sportsboysg]

OMG....

 

exactly why I don't support pink dot, why all of them have to dress up like mary and queens. Not everyone of us is like that but end up it becomes and reinforces the stereotypes. There were some wearing flowers on their heads.. and why pink?

[Guest Guest]

 

:blink:

 

What's wrong with same sex marriage? I know you're single and maybe it's by choice, but if one day you meet that special someone you want to spend the rest of your life with, don't you wish you could register (if sames sex "marriage" is a word that bothers you....) in order to enjoy the exact same rights as a straight couple?

You talk about buying a place as a single person. What about a gay couple, under 35, who wish to buy a place together? What about laws protecting successions? Not sure about the word here but I'm referring to material, real estate, money that should legally come down to your partner if you were straight but that you lose if you're a gay couple?

Another point is hospital visits: so many gay couples cannot visit their partners in a hospital in cases of serious illnesses or terminal stages because it's for "close relatives only"?

 

The list goes one.

I am not considering myself an activist but I still do consider these rights as universal and should not discriminate anyone in any ways.

 

Of course there's still a long way to go in Asia and that's why things still need to be done.

 

I am the 'guest' who wrote the long article in page 13, which you have quoted here.

 

Your point about "a gay couple, under 35, who wish to buy a place together" is totally off track. THAT policy, as far as HDB is concerned, is targeting SINGLES, i.e. marital status, NOT GAYS, i.e. sexual inclination.

 

You can be a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, but the law says as long as you are under 35, you CANNOT buy any flat. And like I raised earlier, when you turn 35, you only can buy 2-room flats in maximum; either that, or ONLY resale flats.

 

So don't come in and lament that the government is targeting you gays.

 

And to some other fellas here who yak and yak about 'raising awareness', I say, PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN.

 

Like I asked in my first post, WHAT'S NEXT? March-down carnival-style like the Brazilians? With floats and fireworks? Women in bikinis and men in boyshorts?

 

You all have been heard, seen, reported, and made known. I would like to see how far you all 'screamers' can go on screaming, lamenting, sobbing and yakking, 'cause when you wake up from your 'reel' activities and movements, and into the 'real' world, let it be known that DISCRIMINATION exists everywhere, whether you are of whatever sexuality, age, gender, race, nationality.

 

The Westerners will always look down upon the Easterners with a hint of their mighty 'colonial' airs. The pretty girls will always look down upon those uglier/ fatter than them. The ones with higher authority or greater power will always manipulate the lower rankings. The fairer-skin will always look down upon the darker ones. The rich will always look down upon the poor. The employed will always snigger at those hunting for jobs. The car owners will always secretly pity those squeezing buses and trains. The served will always harbour a slight 'holier-than-thou' toward those serving.

 

There is no end to discrimination. Look at you all - a bunch of salivating fellas ooh-ing and ahh-ing at the pics. Have you removed discrimination? Has the movement served its purpose? Have you, beside YOUR VERY OWN discrimination, come to think of fighting against other types of discrimination, or because those 'do not bother you' much, thus you do not bother with them also?

 

Don't be a 'high-and-mighty' hero when you are just a hungry/ horny fella who wants the world to revolve around you. The fact that this whole movement is but a MEGA PICNIC for those dressed in pink is but a laughing stock for many (oh, here comes the voices against 'discrimination' again), and a personal pitiful joke for me to savour.

[Guest Guest]

 

 

 

looks like an older version of Blacque!

[qez]

I am the 'guest' who wrote the long article in page 13, which you have quoted here.

Your point about "a gay couple, under 35, who wish to buy a place together" is totally off track. THAT policy, as far as HDB is concerned, is targeting SINGLES, i.e. marital status, NOT GAYS, i.e. sexual inclination.

You can be a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, but the law says as long as you are under 35, you CANNOT buy any flat. And like I raised earlier, when you turn 35, you only can buy 2-room flats in maximum; either that, or ONLY resale flats.

So don't come in and lament that the government is targeting you gays.

And to some other fellas here who yak and yak about 'raising awareness', I say, PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN.

Like I asked in my first post, WHAT'S NEXT? March-down carnival-style like the Brazilians? With floats and fireworks? Women in bikinis and men in boyshorts?

You all have been heard, seen, reported, and made known. I would like to see how far you all 'screamers' can go on screaming, lamenting, sobbing and yakking, 'cause when you wake up from your 'reel' activities and movements, and into the 'real' world, let it be known that DISCRIMINATION exists everywhere, whether you are of whatever sexuality, age, gender, race, nationality.

The Westerners will always look down upon the Easterners with a hint of their mighty 'colonial' airs. The pretty girls will always look down upon those uglier/ fatter than them. The ones with higher authority or greater power will always manipulate the lower rankings. The fairer-skin will always look down upon the darker ones. The rich will always look down upon the poor. The employed will always snigger at those hunting for jobs. The car owners will always secretly pity those squeezing buses and trains. The served will always harbour a slight 'holier-than-thou' toward those serving.

There is no end to discrimination. Look at you all - a bunch of salivating fellas ooh-ing and ahh-ing at the pics. Have you removed discrimination? Has the movement served its purpose? Have you, beside YOUR VERY OWN discrimination, come to think of fighting against other types of discrimination, or because those 'do not bother you' much, thus you do not bother with them also?

Don't be a 'high-and-mighty' hero when you are just a hungry/ horny fella who wants the world to revolve around you. The fact that this whole movement is but a MEGA PICNIC for those dressed in pink is but a laughing stock for many (oh, here comes the voices against 'discrimination' again), and a personal pitiful joke for me to savour.

Yes. Discrimination exists at some levels throughout the world. I sense your negativeness and feeling of resignation about the world's inequality.

However, I cannot side with you. We look back at history - the twice failed attempt of registering gay equality looby group People Like Us, failed attempt of repealing S377A, and others; it has always been the harder we push, the stronger the pushback. The success of Pink Dot now is very remarkable, and it will be more so in the future. The progress is happening, although very slowly. We can only nudge gently and make people understand and try to win them over. At this point, we are not talking about parades and carnivals, we are talking about the law that put gays in jail!

By giving up on your dreams and resigning to the state of the world, you may save yourself of the pain of disappointment. But what would that change? Who will address your issues if you yourself don't do anything about it?

If you still do not see the point of all this, then let me ask you: what is the link with the difficulty singles experience when getting a flat, and gay rights and the law that puts them in jail.

[Enelym1978]

I am the 'guest' who wrote the long article in page 13, which you have quoted here.

 

Your point about "a gay couple, under 35, who wish to buy a place together" is totally off track. THAT policy, as far as HDB is concerned, is targeting SINGLES, i.e. marital status, NOT GAYS, i.e. sexual inclination.

 

You can be a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, but the law says as long as you are under 35, you CANNOT buy any flat. And like I raised earlier, when you turn 35, you only can buy 2-room flats in maximum; either that, or ONLY resale flats.

 

So don't come in and lament that the government is targeting you gays.

 

Ok fine, we got it, you're not gay (or you don't want to admit that you are...) and your sour and negative view of this society is just sad.

I'm not stupid or naive. I know our society is not all fairy tales where everything is perfect. Discrimination is everywhere, even within our community. However, it doesn't mean we have to sit there and do nothing about it.

Fine if you don't agree with the way it's done, but no need to talk sh*t about it and treat people like morons and diminish the work done by others who actually care.

 

As for the buying HDB thing, I am aware it's not just us gays who are targeted, but, unless I got it wrong, married straight couples who are under 35 CAN buy HDB flats, correct?

And my point was: why couldn't same sex couples enjoy the same rights? If a same sex couple is registered and legally recognized (the way it is in more and more countries now), then you and your bf would be able to buy those HDB flats even if you guys are not 35...

[mijsdlog]

I am the 'guest' who wrote the long article in page 13, which you have quoted here.

 

Your point about "a gay couple, under 35, who wish to buy a place together" is totally off track. THAT policy, as far as HDB is concerned, is targeting SINGLES, i.e. marital status, NOT GAYS, i.e. sexual inclination.

 

You can be a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, but the law says as long as you are under 35, you CANNOT buy any flat. And like I raised earlier, when you turn 35, you only can buy 2-room flats in maximum; either that, or ONLY resale flats.

 

So don't come in and lament that the government is targeting you gays.

 

And to some other fellas here who yak and yak about 'raising awareness', I say, PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN.

 

Like I asked in my first post, WHAT'S NEXT? March-down carnival-style like the Brazilians? With floats and fireworks? Women in bikinis and men in boyshorts?

 

You all have been heard, seen, reported, and made known. I would like to see how far you all 'screamers' can go on screaming, lamenting, sobbing and yakking, 'cause when you wake up from your 'reel' activities and movements, and into the 'real' world, let it be known that DISCRIMINATION exists everywhere, whether you are of whatever sexuality, age, gender, race, nationality.

 

The Westerners will always look down upon the Easterners with a hint of their mighty 'colonial' airs. The pretty girls will always look down upon those uglier/ fatter than them. The ones with higher authority or greater power will always manipulate the lower rankings. The fairer-skin will always look down upon the darker ones. The rich will always look down upon the poor. The employed will always snigger at those hunting for jobs. The car owners will always secretly pity those squeezing buses and trains. The served will always harbour a slight 'holier-than-thou' toward those serving.

 

There is no end to discrimination. Look at you all - a bunch of salivating fellas ooh-ing and ahh-ing at the pics. Have you removed discrimination? Has the movement served its purpose? Have you, beside YOUR VERY OWN discrimination, come to think of fighting against other types of discrimination, or because those 'do not bother you' much, thus you do not bother with them also?

 

Don't be a 'high-and-mighty' hero when you are just a hungry/ horny fella who wants the world to revolve around you. The fact that this whole movement is but a MEGA PICNIC for those dressed in pink is but a laughing stock for many (oh, here comes the voices against 'discrimination' again), and a personal pitiful joke for me to savour.

 

Yes, we are aware that the housing policy discriminates against singles under the age of 35 regardless of sexual orientation. What we are pointing out is that, in that category, straight people do at least have the option of getting married while LGBT people don't have that option.

 

In the rest of your post, what you have made very clear is your hate. You seem also to be lashing out against any expression of human sexuality. I don't think anyone of us thought of making Pink Dot into a Rio-style carnival. You simply found something that offends your sensibilities and projected it onto the Pink Dot movement.

 

You are probably angry because you are discriminated against in some way. We don't know what it is but I'm sure many of us feel it is a pity that anyone suffers discrimination for any reason or in any shape or form. This is a gay forum, so naturally here we are talking more about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Logical, no? How did you jump to the conclusion that we care about nothing else during the time that we are not on this site? We only think about sex? Is that what your prejudiced mind thinks?

 

Yes, we cannot expect to completely eradicate discrimination. But we plan to fight and reject discrimination by calling people out on it and by not practising it ourselves. We never called ourselves heroes because of that. You assumed we must be thinking like that. If you are so beaten down by discrimination that you think victims should be thankful that they are tolerated and not lynched, go ahead and stay that way. Maybe you even start to believe that discrimination is no big deal because hey it's been around forever so why not just go with the flow. We know it is going to be tough but we will go ahead. In case you should imagine that we are calling you a coward, we want to let you know that we don't care to label.

 

If you don't think the Pink Dot cause (and asscociated causes fighting against sexual orientation-based discrimination) is worthy, don't support it. Ignore it. The growing numbers at Pink Dot are an encouraging sign that more people are becoming aware of and support the cause. You (and the people in your circles who think as you do) are just not part of that. You might think that people as prejudiced as you are are in the majority; we don't agree. Thank you for trying to wake us up. You didn't need to. We are awake.

[AJ_9101]

 

Edited July 4, 2013 by AJ_9101

[qez]

O_O

isn't this the guy in this pick dot pic?

Realisation; better late than never.

#pleasereadpreviouspostscarefully

[AJ_9101]

Realisation; better late than never.

#pleasereadpreviouspostscarefully

so... it is right?@@

[Guest Guest]

wah lao u damn slow le. if not post his pic for what?

[Guest Duh]

Yes, we are aware that the housing policy discriminates against singles under the age of 35 regardless of sexual orientation. What we are pointing out is that, in that category, straight people do at least have the option of getting married while LGBT people don't have that option.

 

In the rest of your post, what you have made very clear is your hate. You seem also to be lashing out against any expression of human sexuality. I don't think anyone of us thought of making Pink Dot into a Rio-style carnival. You simply found something that offends your sensibilities and projected it onto the Pink Dot movement.

 

You are probably angry because you are discriminated against in some way. We don't know what it is but I'm sure many of us feel it is a pity that anyone suffers discrimination for any reason or in any shape or form. This is a gay forum, so naturally here we are talking more about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Logical, no? How did you jump to the conclusion that we care about nothing else during the time that we are not on this site? We only think about sex? Is that what your prejudiced mind thinks?

 

Yes, we cannot expect to completely eradicate discrimination. But we plan to fight and reject discrimination by calling people out on it and by not practising it ourselves. We never called ourselves heroes because of that. You assumed we must be thinking like that. If you are so beaten down by discrimination that you think victims should be thankful that they are tolerated and not lynched, go ahead and stay that way. Maybe you even start to believe that discrimination is no big deal because hey it's been around forever so why not just go with the flow. We know it is going to be tough but we will go ahead. In case you should imagine that we are calling you a coward, we want to let you know that we don't care to label.

 

If you don't think the Pink Dot cause (and asscociated causes fighting against sexual orientation-based discrimination) is worthy, don't support it. Ignore it. The growing numbers at Pink Dot are an encouraging sign that more people are becoming aware of and support the cause. You (and the people in your circles who think as you do) are just not part of that. You might think that people as prejudiced as you are are in the majority; we don't agree. Thank you for trying to wake us up. You didn't need to. We are awake.

 

There it goes again  - just because people have opposing views does not mean they have issues.

 

P.S. Attending what they perceive as a fun event (case in point - other than the same few people debating, everyone else on this thread is posting pictures of cute guys they met and how to stalk them - doesn't take a genius to tell what their primary focus is. It certainly isn't what the event is about) and actual support/understanding are two different issues. I don't think any of you have independently tried to gauge the latter - only using the yearly increasing headcount as a sign that things are going well. Very useful for marketing / sponsorships, but to measure what the event is meant to do? Horrible benchmark.

 

It is very much akin to doing compulsory volunteer work as part of the school syllabus and saying volunteerism is alive and well in Singapore - they do it, the numbers are there, but do they care (in significant enough numbers)? Don't need me to state the obvious right?

[mijsdlog]

There it goes again  - just because people have opposing views does not mean they have issues.

 

P.S. Attending what they perceive as a fun event (case in point - other than the same few people debating, everyone else on this thread is posting pictures of cute guys they met and how to stalk them - doesn't take a genius to tell what their primary focus is. It certainly isn't what the event is about) and actual support/understanding are two different issues. I don't think any of you have independently tried to gauge the latter - only using the yearly increasing headcount as a sign that things are going well. Very useful for marketing / sponsorships, but to measure what the event is meant to do? Horrible benchmark.

 

It is very much akin to doing compulsory volunteer work as part of the school syllabus and saying volunteerism is alive and well in Singapore - they do it, the numbers are there, but do they care (in significant enough numbers)? Don't need me to state the obvious right?

 

Of course one can have opposing views. If someone can calmly dissect why he/she thinks Pink Dot (or any other movement) in its current form cannot be effective, I am happy to listen. The "Guest" to whom I was replying was not doing that. Instead his/her message was filled with bitter accusatory language, e.g. "Look at you all - a bunch of salivating fellas ooh-ing and ahh-ing at the pics." "Have you, beside YOUR VERY OWN discrimination, come to think of fighting against other types of discrimination, or because those 'do not bother you' much, thus you do not bother with them also?" "Don't be a 'high-and-mighty' hero when you are just a hungry/ horny fella who wants the world to revolve around you." , which hinted at what he/she found offensive.

 

He/she seemed to suggest that all of us here think only about our sexual orientation. We understand that discrimination exists for matters other than sexual orientation and gender identity. But this thread is about Pink Dot and discrimination specifically on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. So why was he/she getting worked up that we focus on this in this thread?

 

I don't think it is fair to discredit the Pink Dot movement just because you see guys here discussing cute guys. Forums and their membership are not representative of the population. Furthermore, what one sees here may just be a small but active fraction of the membership.

 

So you think that the growing participation at the event is not an indicator of people's changing attitudes. What is? What would be your measure?

 

And if you are going to draw parallels, do choose one that is actually relevant to the discussion. I don't know how to compare Pink Dot to compulsory volunteerism.

[Guest The Brutal Truth]

 

So you think that the growing participation at the event is not an indicator of people's changing attitudes. What is? What would be your measure?

 

And if you are going to draw parallels, do choose one that is actually relevant to the discussion. I don't know how to compare Pink Dot to compulsory volunteerism.

Duh aka Shit4Brain is just an ugly dude who cannot get laid. He will stir shit up as per his namesake because no one wants him not even if he paid Lean n Mean the ugly money boy to bang him.

 

That why he have to draw parallels because he cannot get laids.

[xoxo77]

It is very sad that some of us needs to hijack the thread to talk all the negative instead of saying something positive out of every single event or matters related to LGBT. This is really sad.................

[AJ_9101]

wah lao u damn slow le. if not post his pic for what?

haha not slow, just amazed and in disbelieve upon how his profile could b dugged out so fast, 

whats his name?

[alien]

haha not slow, just amazed and in disbelieve upon how his profile could b dugged out so fast, 

whats his name?

Seems like he looks cuter n better in the pink dot pic. So the guy on left his bf eh?

[alien]

exactly why I don't support pink dot, why all of them have to dress up like mary and queens. Not everyone of us is like that but end up it becomes and reinforces the stereotypes. There were some wearing flowers on their heads.. and why pink?

Cos pink dot theme is pink lor, so even u want to wear flower on ur head also must be pink?! Haha. Although there are some dressed up as mary n queens, but there are also many other gays who dress normal lor. No matter wht, there are surely pple want to be 'outstanding'!

Edited July 3, 2013 by alien

[Guest Guest]

Seems like he looks cuter n better in the pink dot pic. So the guy on left his bf eh?

No both are btms

[Guest Guest]

haha not slow, just amazed and in disbelieve upon how his profile could b dugged out so fast,

whats his name?

Yah lor power.....ok quickly post more cute guys pics....ppl here very resourceful

[Guest bf]

he's an ok bottom.. not exactly power btm but still good he likes it rough

[Guest Alienlover]

Cos pink dot theme is pink lor, so even u want to wear flower on ur head also must be pink?! Haha. Although there are some dressed up as mary n queens, but there are also many other gays who dress normal lor. No matter wht, there are surely pple want to be 'outstanding'!

 

then why u never be outstanding and dress up as pink alien?

[Guest Guest]

Wondering r those who against pink dot suffering from the following syndrome

extremely closeted gays hv the intense fear of being discovered. They tend to feel anxious or to a certain level of paranoia if gay related topics r discussed in the public domain. Want homosexuality to remain invisible or appear to be non existent in the society

[AJ_9101]

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Edited July 4, 2013 by AJ_9101

[Guest Guest]

haha u can start the ball rolling

 

ok

 

[Blacque]

PinkDot much.