Pink Dot Event Discussion (2007 to Present Day) (compiled)

[alien]

then why u never be outstanding and dress up as pink alien?

U r completely rite.

[alien]

he's an ok bottom.. not exactly power btm but still good he likes it rough

How u know?

[Guest Duh]

 

I don't think it is fair to discredit the Pink Dot movement just because you see guys here discussing cute guys. Forums and their membership are not representative of the population. Furthermore, what one sees here may just be a small but active fraction of the membership.

 

So you think that the growing participation at the event is not an indicator of people's changing attitudes. What is? What would be your measure?

 

And if you are going to draw parallels, do choose one that is actually relevant to the discussion. I don't know how to compare Pink Dot to compulsory volunteerism.

 

It is comparable to compulsory volunteerism because the rationale is identical - do the numbers and attitude match?

 

To use another analogy:

 

A tuition agency is claiming they are the best around.

 

"We have thousands joining us every month, of course we're good!"

 

The question is not how high the enrolment is, but how the students fare. Is there much point to sending your child to an agency with a high enrolment, but the average grade is a C - D?

 

The agency should be assessed on how effective they are getting information across, not simply based on the student population.

 

The high figure can be attributed to other areas - an amazing sales and promotion team, the lowest fees around, or other reasons.

 

 

Like what I've said to glowingember before - if you have 500 people attending a talk on recycling, do you think all 500 (or a large majority) will go home and start going green? How many actually practice recycling after?

 

No. Some will, some won't. Based on your earlier post you simply seem to be assuming rising attendance correlates to an improvement in attitudes.

 

Do you differentiate between lipservice e.g. I'm attending because a friend asked me or interested attendees e.g. hey I believe in gay rights so being there is a show of support?

 

Do you know the percentage of the former or latter?

 

Do you have some specific metric to attribute it to your earlier statement?

 

If your answer is no, then where does the basis for your statement comes from?

 

If you do, care to share the figures?

[Guest Duh]

Duh aka Shit4Brain is just an ugly dude who cannot get laid. He will stir shit up as per his namesake because no one wants him not even if he paid Lean n Mean the ugly money boy to bang him.

 

That why he have to draw parallels because he cannot get laids.

 

Admin trolls LOL

[Guest Duh]

It is very sad that some of us needs to hijack the thread to talk all the negative instead of saying something positive out of every single event or matters related to LGBT. This is really sad.................

 

It is very sad some of us need to only talk about the positive and pretend eveything is perfect for matters related to LGBT. This is really sad...........

[AJ_9101]

ok

lol thanks but no thanks, 

how bout urs

Edited July 4, 2013 by AJ_9101

[Guest The Brutal Truth]

It is very sad some of us need to only talk about the positive and pretend eveything is perfect for matters related to LGBT. This is really sad...........

As compare to making a scene then spewing negative comments about a successful event. Telling people to kill themselves, supporting a homophobic organisation so that you can fell good about yourself not being invited to an orgy by haiwaii chee because you are ugly.

 

Sure why not?

 

You jelly?

[Guest Duh]

As compare to making a scene then spewing negative comments about a successful event. Telling people to kill themselves, supporting a homophobic organisation so that you can fell good about yourself not being invited to an orgy by haiwaii chee because you are ugly.

 

Sure why not?

 

You jelly?

 

Admin trolls fap fap fap LOL

[Guest Guest]

PinkDot much.

 

are u posting for the sake of posting?

[Blacque]

are u posting for the sake of posting?

 

Problem?

[happydude]

For those who are keen to share your constructive feedback, you may wish to visit their site and share your thoughts

 

http://pinkdot.sg/pink-dot-2013-survey/

 

The review survey closes tomorrow (Friday, 5 July) at noon.

[Guest Guest]

Problem?

 

so rude. :yuk:

[Blacque]

so rude. :yuk:

 

Go complete the review survey while you have the time.

[Guest Guest]

Yes. Discrimination exists at some levels throughout the world. I sense your negativeness and feeling of resignation about the world's inequality.

However, I cannot side with you. We look back at history - the twice failed attempt of registering gay equality looby group People Like Us, failed attempt of repealing S377A, and others; it has always been the harder we push, the stronger the pushback. The success of Pink Dot now is very remarkable, and it will be more so in the future. The progress is happening, although very slowly. We can only nudge gently and make people understand and try to win them over. At this point, we are not talking about parades and carnivals, we are talking about the law that put gays in jail!

By giving up on your dreams and resigning to the state of the world, you may save yourself of the pain of disappointment. But what would that change? Who will address your issues if you yourself don't do anything about it?

If you still do not see the point of all this, then let me ask you: what is the link with the difficulty singles experience when getting a flat, and gay rights and the law that puts them in jail.

 

Your last question arose primarily because I replied to Enelym1978 of post #699 in page 14. He brought in the topic and hence I debated with him.

 

And really, our government, draconian as it is, has relented, took a step back, and declare that they will NOT use Sec. 377a on ANYONE who is gay, but THOSE who conducted and engaged in 'gay acts' in public places.

 

Hence you will ONLY see some gays being charged in court for 'indecent acts' in public toilets, but NEVER about gays having sex in any private capacity.

 

Please have a reality check first before you start talking about 'world's inequality' or 'pain of disappointment', 'cause in the REAL world, there really isn't that much of 'inequality' or 'pain' to talk about. Not unless you are living in some 'reel' lives, constantly believing that the whole wide world is out to target and discriminate you.

 

 

Ok fine, we got it, you're not gay (or you don't want to admit that you are...) and your sour and negative view of this society is just sad.

I'm not stupid or naive. I know our society is not all fairy tales where everything is perfect. Discrimination is everywhere, even within our community. However, it doesn't mean we have to sit there and do nothing about it.

Fine if you don't agree with the way it's done, but no need to talk sh*t about it and treat people like morons and diminish the work done by others who actually care.

 

As for the buying HDB thing, I am aware it's not just us gays who are targeted, but, unless I got it wrong, married straight couples who are under 35 CAN buy HDB flats, correct?

And my point was: why couldn't same sex couples enjoy the same rights? If a same sex couple is registered and legally recognized (the way it is in more and more countries now), then you and your bf would be able to buy those HDB flats even if you guys are not 35...

 

From day one of my replying posts to you, I have never declare myself as 'gay', or 'not gay'. If this Pink movement, as many have declared to be 'not just for the gays', then the issue here is NOT whether I am gay or not, or whether I support gay lifestyle, or not.

 

It is about 'what is the principle behind this movement', and 'how far the organisers want to bring it to', after I read about them asking 'police to close the road' just for the event, which I laid down my thoughts in post #629 of page 13.

 

"As for the buying HDB thing, I am aware it's not just us gays who are targeted, but, unless I got it wrong, married straight couples who are under 35 CAN buy HDB flats, correct?"

 

Exactly MY point in my earlier post, which I had asked: "what's next? To legislate a law to approve 'same-sex marriage', which I totally suspect the whole movement is going toward?"

 

You see, there are A LOT of 'opportunists' in this world, inciting and instigating others to do what they shunned, simply because they do not want to be seen as the 'bad guys' or do the 'dirty jobs'. Egypt now is experiencing this EXACTLY.

 

You want to participate any movement, by all means. However, if you can think (with your bigger brain, and not ruled by your smaller one to just go there and check out the bulges and butts), then ask yourself: what do you want to take back from this activity? You want the law to allow same-sex adults of 21 yo and above to register themselves and buy a new flat? Or the law to allow the two same-sex fellas to stand in front of the ROM counter and declare unionship? Or the law to allow the same-sex 'married'/ co-habiting couple to adopt children?

 

Have you thought of all these? Or are you, like I said here, another salivating fella who doesn't think much, but lament, scream, sob, yak, complain, and sigh?

 

Yes, we are aware that the housing policy discriminates against singles under the age of 35 regardless of sexual orientation. What we are pointing out is that, in that category, straight people do at least have the option of getting married while LGBT people don't have that option.

 

In the rest of your post, what you have made very clear is your hate. You seem also to be lashing out against any expression of human sexuality. I don't think anyone of us thought of making Pink Dot into a Rio-style carnival. You simply found something that offends your sensibilities and projected it onto the Pink Dot movement.

 

You are probably angry because you are discriminated against in some way. We don't know what it is but I'm sure many of us feel it is a pity that anyone suffers discrimination for any reason or in any shape or form. This is a gay forum, so naturally here we are talking more about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Logical, no? How did you jump to the conclusion that we care about nothing else during the time that we are not on this site? We only think about sex? Is that what your prejudiced mind thinks?

 

Yes, we cannot expect to completely eradicate discrimination. But we plan to fight and reject discrimination by calling people out on it and by not practising it ourselves. We never called ourselves heroes because of that. You assumed we must be thinking like that. If you are so beaten down by discrimination that you think victims should be thankful that they are tolerated and not lynched, go ahead and stay that way. Maybe you even start to believe that discrimination is no big deal because hey it's been around forever so why not just go with the flow. We know it is going to be tough but we will go ahead. In case you should imagine that we are calling you a coward, we want to let you know that we don't care to label.

 

If you don't think the Pink Dot cause (and asscociated causes fighting against sexual orientation-based discrimination) is worthy, don't support it. Ignore it. The growing numbers at Pink Dot are an encouraging sign that more people are becoming aware of and support the cause. You (and the people in your circles who think as you do) are just not part of that. You might think that people as prejudiced as you are are in the majority; we don't agree. Thank you for trying to wake us up. You didn't need to. We are awake.

 

Your mind told you that I am writing with hate. I can tell you I ain't, but if my words carry little meaning, you have your right to interpret my post in the way your mind tells you wholly.

 

In the film 'Philadelphia' that had Tom Hanks acting as a HIV-positive carrier being subjected to unfair termination, and Denzel Washington as his defence attorney. Somewhere through the show, after the news was widely reported in the media that made Denzel well-known, he was somehow approached by a black guy who initially offered his words of encouragement, but then later revealed his intent to want to 'know' Denzel. The black guy was eventually floored by Denzel for being 'overly zealous'.

 

The whole issue here is NOT whether I am gay or not, or whether I harbour hatred for gays. The whole damn point for the whole damn movement is about 'making this world a better one for all to live in'. There could be NO OTHER reason, principle, or core beliefs if you must find. And if you seriously hold on to this truthful principle (of wanting to make this world a better place, why even for animals), then like I said: do a reality check.

 

You are right  about 'not supporting it' or 'avoiding it'; I did. I did, however, attended the White Paper rally at the same venue as your Pink Dot's. And yes I am proud of being part of something that actually and really shaped Singapore's future, for after that event, our bloody useless government backed down, bowed out, and changed their tune about the White Paper, that it was merely a 'worst-case scenario' study. Yeah right.

 

If you are so 'awake' like you declare, tell me: how far you think this 'carnival'/ mega-picnic/ open forum/ checking-each-other-out gathering is going to go. I would like to envision the 'vision' you have with your 'open, wide eyes'.

[qez]

There is already a general law against sex in public. Slapping on an additional S377A is discrimination. Why should gays be doubly punished compared to straight people who commit the same offence?

[qez]

If you think gay couples adopting is wrong/bad, you should google 'gay adoption study'.

Here is one of the many links I got from googling:

http://www.livescience.com/17913-advantages-gay-parents.html

[Guest Guest]

This is even more unbelievably hilarious..

THE STUPIDITY, UTTER CRAP & HIDDEN TRUTH OF PINK DOT (2013 SINGAPORE)

21,000 turned up. Yet at the same venue, only 4,000 turned up to support against the White Paper.

I really cannot sit and let it go by.

4,000 people cannot even be compared to the 10,000 in Pink Dot of 2011.

How many of these 21,000 Pink Dot supporters were even among the 4,000 against the White Paper in-the-drizzle event?

How many among these 21,000 Pink Dot supporters are Singaporeans?

How many of these 21,000 supporters who aren't gay/whatever have actually been among gays/whatever as one of them and know what they are really like?

The numbers just show that gay/whatever people and their supporters are stupid and only care about themselves and their bubble in which they live.

To know the truth about gay and transgender people, pose as one of them and talk to them. That is how you will learn what they are really like.

Not just by sitting around and thinking that "everyone should have equal rights regardless of sexual orientation".

In theory, that is the premise of the Pink Dot event. A very good front banner. Sure, free love for all.

But this "free love", if you know gays, is a door opening to literally free love everywhere. It will give them the freedom to do what they love doing best in parks, toilets, etc... They love free love.

Trust me on this. I have talked to enough gay men and women on Trevvy and Fridae. Although I have communicated less with transgenders (since I avoid them), the few I have communicated with have impressed even less.

It is not good enough to say you have gay/transgender friends. You do not know what they are really like. What they show is the surface.

Discrimination against race/culture/nationality etc... is not for nothing. Reason/s exist based on observation and what the subject of the discrimination displays.

Fact is, not all humans are equal. Just as certain groups are good at certain things, and certain diseases are more inherent in certain groups than in others, it is the case that discrimination against gays/transgenders is not for nothing.

Why do normal people shun gays/transgender?

In the beginning, I didn't know, and thought like what others thought: that it was unfair and that gays/transgender are just like other people. For transgenders, I was given an impression that they are to be pitied, being neither male nor female.

Fact is, gay/transgenders are not like other people. They are inferior in terms of personality and character.

The reader might be upset by this. But as I said, I used to think like the supporters of Pink Dot, until I went to check it out myself.

Although I am not entirely pro-government, I have to commend the government for the wise decision not to allow gays more freedom than they already have.

Consider this: Gay men have a club (in Singapore) that allows them to strut around naked on the rooftop on a full moon's night. (Do gay women have that? Do even heterosexuals have that?). They easily "connect" with hot bods they see online and offline. Many are hardly shy about what they want and say so in the classifieds and in PMs. How much more freedom do they want? Don't they already have more "rights" than other people?

Want examples of what kind of PMs I get at Trevvy? I have plenty in 1 account that unfortunately is gone. But there is still a recent one I have in the new a/c.

Get married and play house? Love ever after? Domestic bliss or farce? Ordinary man-woman relationships are problematic enough, let alone 2 men, 2 women and other combinations.

What are gay/transgender people really like?

Immature. Low self-esteem. Low self-confidence. Shallow. Selfish. Narcissistic. Not intelligent.

Qualities that are not favoured in anyone, man or woman. No surprise that gays/transgenders have a hard time finding "love". What they are seeking will elude them forever, simply because the problem is in themselves, not in others.

When the problem is internal, it matters not whether the person changes gender or sexually prefers one gender over the other.

Among gay men, there is a division of sexual position preference which is very significant to them.

Whether you are "top", "bottom", "versatile", has meaningful significance, along with age and how hot your "bod" looks. Their common introduction starts with age (always abbreviated to "yo"), height, weight, sexual position preference.

They do not consider more than that as long as the target's photo is hot, and happens to be approachable. There is no looking beyond the face/front. They apply the same way of "preference" to men in trains, buses, random eye-to-eye contact etc...

What they are preferring is simply the vessel/body. There is no real love.

Consider this: If their love is so great, would they still love their lover/partner if everything about the person were the same except that it is in the body of the opposite gender?

Know what gay men really think about women? There are those who look down on women, saying women's privates are smelly.

Certainly, such imbeciles wouldn't also realize that men aren't odorless either. But in the ecstasy of hot sexual passion between 2 men, it is understandable that each other's smell is preferable.

"Smelly" is a matter of personal hygiene, whether men, women or kids. Men in an army bunk stink up the room in just 1 day as though they have been in there for weeks.

If I am an employer and before hiring, I find out the person is gay, I will hire someone else who isn't. Not because of the sexual preference/orientation. But because I know the negatives in the person's personality and character that are in that word "gay".

Gay women and transgenders, I may post about next time, and perhaps more on gay men.

It is quite useless to say that what I have come across are minorities of these people. I have communicated with many, enough to know their minds.

Thank goodness the SG gay politician is in the opposition party and not in the one that counts.

zinepin

*The author blogs at http://therevolutioner.blogspot.sg/

Source : http://therealsingapore.com/content/stupidity-utter-crap-hidden-truth-pink-dot-2013-singapore

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

This is even more unbelievably hilarious..

THE STUPIDITY, UTTER CRAP & HIDDEN TRUTH OF PINK DOT (2013 SINGAPORE)

21,000 turned up. Yet at the same venue, only 4,000 turned up to support against the White Paper.

I really cannot sit and let it go by.

4,000 people cannot even be compared to the 10,000 in Pink Dot of 2011.

How many of these 21,000 Pink Dot supporters were even among the 4,000 against the White Paper in-the-drizzle event?

How many among these 21,000 Pink Dot supporters are Singaporeans?

How many of these 21,000 supporters who aren't gay/whatever have actually been among gays/whatever as one of them and know what they are really like?

The numbers just show that gay/whatever people and their supporters are stupid and only care about themselves and their bubble in which they live.

To know the truth about gay and transgender people, pose as one of them and talk to them. That is how you will learn what they are really like.

Not just by sitting around and thinking that "everyone should have equal rights regardless of sexual orientation".

In theory, that is the premise of the Pink Dot event. A very good front banner. Sure, free love for all.

But this "free love", if you know gays, is a door opening to literally free love everywhere. It will give them the freedom to do what they love doing best in parks, toilets, etc... They love free love.

Trust me on this. I have talked to enough gay men and women on Trevvy and Fridae. Although I have communicated less with transgenders (since I avoid them), the few I have communicated with have impressed even less.

It is not good enough to say you have gay/transgender friends. You do not know what they are really like. What they show is the surface.

Discrimination against race/culture/nationality etc... is not for nothing. Reason/s exist based on observation and what the subject of the discrimination displays.

Fact is, not all humans are equal. Just as certain groups are good at certain things, and certain diseases are more inherent in certain groups than in others, it is the case that discrimination against gays/transgenders is not for nothing.

Why do normal people shun gays/transgender?

In the beginning, I didn't know, and thought like what others thought: that it was unfair and that gays/transgender are just like other people. For transgenders, I was given an impression that they are to be pitied, being neither male nor female.

Fact is, gay/transgenders are not like other people. They are inferior in terms of personality and character.

The reader might be upset by this. But as I said, I used to think like the supporters of Pink Dot, until I went to check it out myself.

Although I am not entirely pro-government, I have to commend the government for the wise decision not to allow gays more freedom than they already have.

Consider this: Gay men have a club (in Singapore) that allows them to strut around naked on the rooftop on a full moon's night. (Do gay women have that? Do even heterosexuals have that?). They easily "connect" with hot bods they see online and offline. Many are hardly shy about what they want and say so in the classifieds and in PMs. How much more freedom do they want? Don't they already have more "rights" than other people?

Want examples of what kind of PMs I get at Trevvy? I have plenty in 1 account that unfortunately is gone. But there is still a recent one I have in the new a/c.

Get married and play house? Love ever after? Domestic bliss or farce? Ordinary man-woman relationships are problematic enough, let alone 2 men, 2 women and other combinations.

What are gay/transgender people really like?

Immature. Low self-esteem. Low self-confidence. Shallow. Selfish. Narcissistic. Not intelligent.

Qualities that are not favoured in anyone, man or woman. No surprise that gays/transgenders have a hard time finding "love". What they are seeking will elude them forever, simply because the problem is in themselves, not in others.

When the problem is internal, it matters not whether the person changes gender or sexually prefers one gender over the other.

Among gay men, there is a division of sexual position preference which is very significant to them.

Whether you are "top", "bottom", "versatile", has meaningful significance, along with age and how hot your "bod" looks. Their common introduction starts with age (always abbreviated to "yo"), height, weight, sexual position preference.

They do not consider more than that as long as the target's photo is hot, and happens to be approachable. There is no looking beyond the face/front. They apply the same way of "preference" to men in trains, buses, random eye-to-eye contact etc...

What they are preferring is simply the vessel/body. There is no real love.

Consider this: If their love is so great, would they still love their lover/partner if everything about the person were the same except that it is in the body of the opposite gender?

Know what gay men really think about women? There are those who look down on women, saying women's privates are smelly.

Certainly, such imbeciles wouldn't also realize that men aren't odorless either. But in the ecstasy of hot sexual passion between 2 men, it is understandable that each other's smell is preferable.

"Smelly" is a matter of personal hygiene, whether men, women or kids. Men in an army bunk stink up the room in just 1 day as though they have been in there for weeks.

If I am an employer and before hiring, I find out the person is gay, I will hire someone else who isn't. Not because of the sexual preference/orientation. But because I know the negatives in the person's personality and character that are in that word "gay".

Gay women and transgenders, I may post about next time, and perhaps more on gay men.

It is quite useless to say that what I have come across are minorities of these people. I have communicated with many, enough to know their minds.

Thank goodness the SG gay politician is in the opposition party and not in the one that counts.

zinepin

*The author blogs at http://therevolutioner.blogspot.sg/

Source : http://therealsingapore.com/content/stupidity-utter-crap-hidden-truth-pink-dot-2013-singapore

This is post on alot of social media sites right now. Basically the author is a shit stirrer with political agendas. The point he is trying to convey to the straight community is that LGBT are selfish and active in their own cause only and are apathetic to politics issues that affect all social demographic groups in Singapore.

He is piss that's why he attack the LGBT.

His point is why should the straight support gays when gays never support them and the nation?

His approach and methods are questionable but it does throw some questions back to the LGBT community. He want you all to support his cause before he will support your cause.

[mijsdlog]

It is comparable to compulsory volunteerism because the rationale is identical - do the numbers and attitude match?

 

To use another analogy:

 

A tuition agency is claiming they are the best around.

 

"We have thousands joining us every month, of course we're good!"

 

The question is not how high the enrolment is, but how the students fare. Is there much point to sending your child to an agency with a high enrolment, but the average grade is a C - D?

 

The agency should be assessed on how effective they are getting information across, not simply based on the student population.

 

The high figure can be attributed to other areas - an amazing sales and promotion team, the lowest fees around, or other reasons.

 

 

Like what I've said to glowingember before - if you have 500 people attending a talk on recycling, do you think all 500 (or a large majority) will go home and start going green? How many actually practice recycling after?

 

No. Some will, some won't. Based on your earlier post you simply seem to be assuming rising attendance correlates to an improvement in attitudes.

 

Do you differentiate between lipservice e.g. I'm attending because a friend asked me or interested attendees e.g. hey I believe in gay rights so being there is a show of support?

 

Do you know the percentage of the former or latter?

 

Do you have some specific metric to attribute it to your earlier statement?

 

If your answer is no, then where does the basis for your statement comes from?

 

If you do, care to share the figures?

 

Your use of "compulsory volunteerism" had me wondering what you felt was compulsory about Pink Dot. Never mind.

 

So, I get it, what you wanted to say was that things are not what they seem. Fair enough. What I am using is simple reasoning based on logical assumption. All other things being equal, would the tuition center that is popular not tend to be the one that has a reputation for producing good results? Are you suggesting that people in general are so easily duped by marketing?

 

No, I do not have the figures. Someone may be out there running surveys about people's attitudes and reasons for attending the event. Maybe the organizing committee has some data. Maybe they are not participating in this forum so they haven't seen your questions. By all means, turn this into a full academic exercise if your approach is "hard figures or nothing at all." Do be mindful that statistics can also be sliced and reassembled to support a point that you are trying to make.

 

So the reported number of attendees was 15000 in 2012 and 21000 this year. I'm not good at gauging crowd size; but I haven't seen many people contesting that claim, so I figure it's not too far off. That's a 40% increase. What contributed to that increase? A sudden influx of partygoers? Herd mentality?

 

To attend Pink Dot or not is not as trivial a decision as you have made it out to be. No, it's not the best party in town. There's better food/drinks/entertainment elsewhere. It's sweaty and uncomfortably hot. Oh yeah, the horny gay boys would seize the opportunity to rip off their shirts, but surprise, no I didn't see that. Some people even declined to attend or hesitated because they were afraid of being seen or photographed at such a pink event. Are there people who were dragged there against their wishes? Maybe some. How many? No one knows for sure. At some point, it comes down to what we believe to be status quo. I think that acceptance is on the rise and that the growing attendance at Pink Dot is a reasonable indicator of that. I have seen behaviors and situations that support my belief that people are becoming more open minded. I can understand that others may not see what I see, so it's fine if you don't agree.

[mijsdlog]

 

You want to participate any movement, by all means. However, if you can think (with your bigger brain, and not ruled by your smaller one to just go there and check out the bulges and butts), then ask yourself: what do you want to take back from this activity? You want the law to allow same-sex adults of 21 yo and above to register themselves and buy a new flat? Or the law to allow the two same-sex fellas to stand in front of the ROM counter and declare unionship? Or the law to allow the same-sex 'married'/ co-habiting couple to adopt children?

 

Have you thought of all these? Or are you, like I said here, another salivating fella who doesn't think much, but lament, scream, sob, yak, complain, and sigh?

 

 

Your mind told you that I am writing with hate. I can tell you I ain't, but if my words carry little meaning, you have your right to interpret my post in the way your mind tells you wholly.

 

In the film 'Philadelphia' that had Tom Hanks acting as a HIV-positive carrier being subjected to unfair termination, and Denzel Washington as his defence attorney. Somewhere through the show, after the news was widely reported in the media that made Denzel well-known, he was somehow approached by a black guy who initially offered his words of encouragement, but then later revealed his intent to want to 'know' Denzel. The black guy was eventually floored by Denzel for being 'overly zealous'.

 

The whole issue here is NOT whether I am gay or not, or whether I harbour hatred for gays. The whole damn point for the whole damn movement is about 'making this world a better one for all to live in'. There could be NO OTHER reason, principle, or core beliefs if you must find. And if you seriously hold on to this truthful principle (of wanting to make this world a better place, why even for animals), then like I said: do a reality check.

 

You are right  about 'not supporting it' or 'avoiding it'; I did. I did, however, attended the White Paper rally at the same venue as your Pink Dot's. And yes I am proud of being part of something that actually and really shaped Singapore's future, for after that event, our bloody useless government backed down, bowed out, and changed their tune about the White Paper, that it was merely a 'worst-case scenario' study. Yeah right.

 

If you are so 'awake' like you declare, tell me: how far you think this 'carnival'/ mega-picnic/ open forum/ checking-each-other-out gathering is going to go. I would like to envision the 'vision' you have with your 'open, wide eyes'.

 

I don't what you are trying to illustrate by quoting a scene from the movie "Philadelphia". Sure, it could happen in reality. People thinking that some LGBT supporters are gay themselves. People taking advantage of a situation to make unwanted sexual advances. People who think that they have found a way to be comfortable being around LGBT but actually still are not. Yeah, such situations do happen in real life. You think we don't know that?

 

Yes, there are people with other motives. But the central objective is still to increase the acceptance of LGBTQ in this society so that they may live with less discrimination, bullying and fear. I still say that it is unfair to discredit the entire movement because of a little nonsense that happens on the side.

 

You made your voice count in the rally against the White Paper. That's very good. So did some of us here. Maybe you didn't recognize us because we weren't wearing pink or cruising at that event. Or maybe you are wondering why the hell does Pink Dot deserve to have such a large audience when the White Paper event is clearly a more noble cause? There are thousands of legitimate causes in this world. There is space for all of them. You don't go to a conference on the prevention of child trafficking to rant about pollution. I checked again... this is still a thread about Pink Dot. If you want to talk about the White Paper, there is nothing stopping you from starting a thread about it in this forum or elsewhere.

 

My vision? Fewer LGBT people feeling depressed because of how they feel they are being perceived, or having to hide who they are or whom they love to avoid insult, bullying and even violence. Pink Dot may seem like a party but it can provide affirmation to people who grew up thinking they were freaks because they were different in their sexuality and gender identity. Ultimately, I'd love for sexual orientation and gender identity to be a non-issue. Heterosexuals have been checking the opposite sex out for ages openly; why should LGBT not check out individuals that they find desirable? I'd like for legal unions and adoption rights to be gender neutral as well. It is a long and hard fight; we know that. Can't we just be satisfied that section 377A is not actively enforced? No. While it is an appreciated concession, it is still not fair. As long as it is there, it sends the message that homosexual attraction is to be avoided if possible, i.e. it is wrong, and kids will continue to be taught to reject or feel disgust for LGBT. You don't empathize with that position? Fine, you are not obliged to. If you are not LGBT, you may not understand how it feels anyway.

[Guest Duh]

So, I get it, what you wanted to say was that things are not what they seem. Fair enough. What I am using is simple reasoning based on logical assumption. All other things being equal, would the tuition center that is popular not tend to be the one that has a reputation for producing good results? Are you suggesting that people in general are so easily duped by marketing?

 

 

I'm not suggesting, I'm outright stating it is.

 

http://www.tnp.sg/content/tuition-centre-staffs-qualifications-questioned

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120729-362053.html

 

The second story, he was doing it for years. 

 

By associating popularity with results, it is an assumption (this is different from associating grades with results, direct correlation). I am asking you not to assume, but to objectively assess the situation. Which is why I always ask specific questions concerning the underlying basis for your stance - if it is non existent, then why the bias towards a certain argument?

 

Who is lacking objectivity, you or me? And there are mindless drones who are unhappy with my "negativity"? How can you even be defending something when every question I ask, the reply is "I don't know"? You don't know, and yet you know you are right?

 

To attend Pink Dot or not is not as trivial a decision as you have made it out to be. No, it's not the best party in town. There's better food/drinks/entertainment elsewhere. It's sweaty and uncomfortably hot. Oh yeah, the horny gay boys would seize the opportunity to rip off their shirts, but surprise, no I didn't see that. Some people even declined to attend or hesitated because they were afraid of being seen or photographed at such a pink event. Are there people who were dragged there against their wishes? Maybe some. How many? No one knows for sure. At some point, it comes down to what we believe to be status quo. I think that acceptance is on the rise and that the growing attendance at Pink Dot is a reasonable indicator of that. I have seen behaviors and situations that support my belief that people are becoming more open minded. I can understand that others may not see what I see, so it's fine if you don't agree.

 

The point I was making is, people who are present are not always there for the reasons *you* are assuming they are. That's what gets my goat when people post overarcing claims in this thread, which, on closer examination, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[Guest The Truth]

I'm not suggesting, I'm outright stating it is.

 

http://www.tnp.sg/content/tuition-centre-staffs-qualifications-questioned

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120729-362053.html

 

The second story, he was doing it for years. 

 

By associating popularity with results, it is an assumption (this is different from associating grades with results, direct correlation). I am asking you not to assume, but to objectively assess the situation. Which is why I always ask specific questions concerning the underlying basis for your stance - if it is non existent, then why the bias towards a certain argument?

 

Who is lacking objectivity, you or me? And there are mindless drones who are unhappy with my "negativity"? How can you even be defending something when every question I ask, the reply is "I don't know"? You don't know, and yet you know you are right?

 

 

The point I was making is, people who are present are not always there for the reasons *you* are assuming they are. That's what gets my goat when people post overarcing claims in this thread, which, on closer examination, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Maybe you should follow your advice yourself.

of course not everyone who are there is there for the reason other people than you cannot see.

when people make sensible post you just beat them down, how tyrannic.

People who dissent with your opinion are automatically shot down by you.

And all that Just because you can't get invited to an orgy.

Even the ugly money boy lean n mean rejected you.

What to do?It happened.Let's move on.

You won't be missed.

[Guest Duh]

Maybe you should follow your advice yourself.

of course not everyone who are there is there for the reason other people than you cannot see.

when people make sensible post you just beat them down, how tyrannic.

People who dissent with your opinion are automatically shot down by you.

And all that Just because you can't get invited to an orgy.

Even the ugly money boy lean n mean rejected you.

What to do?It happened.Let's move on.

You won't be missed.

 

If you have a "sensible" post, then you should have no issues validating it. If you can't, then why is it a sensible post?

 

If you have a dissenting opinion, but you can't back it up, then why is it a valid opinion?

 

Just because you think it is supposedly right, doesn't mean it is.

 

fap fap fap LOL

[Guest Guest]

Maybe you should follow your advice yourself.

of course not everyone who are there is there for the reason other people than you cannot see.

when people make sensible post you just beat them down, how tyrannic.

People who dissent with your opinion are automatically shot down by you.

And all that Just because you can't get invited to an orgy.

Even the ugly money boy lean n mean rejected you.

What to do?It happened.Let's move on.

You won't be missed.

Why waste time with this micro organism? Karma will soon catch up with it.

[Guest Guest]

eh i think its different guy. the pink tee guy quite guai one....

[Guest HadesSG]

 

 

 

hey anyone know who is the guy wearing the full pink-beige coloured shirt holding some yellow round thing, in this pic?

 

https://www.facebook.com/guorong

https://twitter.com/goody_gr

http://instagram.com/goody_gr

http://being-happy-is-enough.blogspot.sg/

Edited October 2, 2013 by Hades609

[passby]

https://www.facebook.com/guorong

https://twitter.com/goody_gr

http://instagram.com/goody_gr

http://being-happy-is-enough.blogspot.sg/

Well done ! Lol

[Bern]

Pink Dot 2014:

Saturday, June 28 at 5:00pm

Hong Lim Park in Singapore, Singapore

 

Come support the freedom to love!

 

http:///forum/index.php?/calendar/event/-pink-dot-2014-bw-gathering/

 

[nothandsome]

I wanna go !!!

[alien]

Support tis year Pink Dot.

[Guest GG]

Work schedule very hectic. but will try to go this year.

[Guest Guest]

Looking forward to the yearly Pink dot promotional video on youtube. When is this year's promotional video coming out, anybody knows?

 

And who's gonna be our Pink Dot ambassadors?

[oveal]

Those who want to volunteer can start signing up here: http://pinkdot.sg/volunteer-for-pink-dot/

[MOVE Community]

Gabit & MOVE Community will be appearing at Pink Dot Community tent this year!

 

28 Jun . Saturday . 4.30pm . Hong Lim Park 
 

Come say hi to us!! 

 

 

http://www.movecommunity.org
http://www.facebook.com/MoveCommunity.org

http://www.facebook.com/events/645155668908582

Edited June 21, 2014 by G_M

[Theonlyone]

Had been going for pink dot for the past few years.. won't be attending this year due to NDP rehearsal... Anyone is in the same situation as me? I will still be wearing pink and bring my pink light to the float. Who will be there? Maybe we can form our own pink dot at the float!

[Guest Guest]

I advise you to think twice. Don't do that outside HL Park as some groups are trying to find fault now.

[Guest Wonder]

Any law restricts people to choose what colour to wear?

[Abundance95]

oh ndp rehearsal...my church friend in ndp rehearsal also he is Sunny haha

[AidenKingston]

I wanna go to NDP but I can't cause I was in national services. Anyway abit off topic. I was from HOGC

[alien]

Maybe nobody can stop u from wearing pink tmr, but not very gd to form a pink dot at floating stage. To avoid any miscomm or wht.

[Guest Ocean of Pink]

Maybe nobody can stop u from wearing pink tmr, but not very gd to form a pink dot at floating stage. To avoid any miscomm or wht.

I think a small dose of pinkiness outside HLP shouldn't be so threatening. Singapore should have a bigger heart than that. Besides, which law forbit people to shine and wear pink at the float? All these controversial element is completely unncessary, unless some morons are extremely sensitive in every sense of the bible.

[alien]

Till now i still have doubts on pple in sg and singapore itself really have big heart or not? Thts y sometimes still abve to be tactful n careful on such issue, cos there are sure to have sensitive pple out there.

[Zackling]

To the LGBTQ Community,

 

Though this is my 2^nd time I have attended Pink Dot. It enriched me. Pink Dot event inspired me.  I saw no activists, no one pushing for the decline of religious influences, no one ‘actively promoting’ their ‘lifestyle’: what I saw were 26,000 people - walking breathing feeling people – celebrating their right to love. Even Pope Francis is on our side.

 

Allowed me to quote what Pope Francis had said when he was asked about his stance on LGBTQ:

 

 

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality,” he told Father Spadaro. “I replied with another question: ‘tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?"

 

 

“We must always consider the person. If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?  They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good. LGBTQ folks should be treated with dignity, and that no one should be subjected to blackmail or pressure because of sexual orientation.”

 

 

Stripped of all differences, we are fundamentally humans capable of love, who are looking for love. I cannot convince myself to go against that.

At the moment I realized that they aren’t homosexuals, male, female lesbian gay transsexual bisexual confused sponge form – does it matter, really?

We’re not a nation of don’t ask don’t tell, we’re a nation of We’re One. In the places I have gone to, the people I have met, I was struck again & again by the basic fundamental decency & generosity & dignity of men & women just like us (PLUS).

 

 

The LGBTQ is like a family to me. I am here with all of you in this fight. I am truly disgusted by the facts that folks got hurt just because they’re LGBTQ. They’re taunted while they’re in school / in military. They’re rejected jobs just because of who they are & what they are & their sexual orientation.

 

 

I chose to marry Fanny Ler, my wife. I chose to go against the conventional conservative taboo. Convince me that I am wrong, I want to be challenged. I want to know that the stance I ultimately took, whatever it is, is a fruition of careful deliberation and not merely the most convenient for my conscience. The conventional wisdom today, says that all this change is due to young people growing up with different attitudes than their parents and their grandparents had.  And anybody who has kids knows that there is some truth to that.  The basic attitude is, I’m sorry, what is it that you’re talking about here?  What’s the big deal?

 

 

I believed in freedom to love & I strongly believed that LGBTQ couples do have the basic fundamental rights to walk down the streets with the ones they love & chose to love. I believed there are no obstacles that LGBTQ community can’t overcome, I believed the LGBTQ community has no destiny that all of you cannot fulfil.

 

 

 

Regardless of race, language / religion, I strongly affirmed that same sex couples have their rights to marry their partner. What’s been remarkable is the way Singaporeans of all age groups are increasingly embracing marriage equality.  They understand love is love.  And for many people whose minds have changed, it was love that did it -- love for the child or the grandchild, or the friend or the co-worker who sat down one day and held their hands and took a deep breath and said, I’m a gay / lesbian/ bisexual / transgender person / queer..

 

 

This is a country where no matter who you are, or what you look like, or how you came up, or what your last name is, or who you love -- if you work hard and you take responsibility, you should be able to make it

 

I saw & witnessed the commitments in gay couples / lesbian couples are as similar & as strong as the heterosexual couples out there. I believed that same sex couples have the rights to visit each other when they’re in hospitals & must be given the same medical benefits that are given to our heterosexual folks.

 

 

I, somehow wrote a letter to PM Lee yesterday morning (30/06/2014) on behalf of Fanny & the LGBTQ community.  I felt compelled to write as I heard & felt a calling from my inner voice..

 

 

This is how the letter goes:

 

 

Dear PM Lee, Sir,

 

 

My name is Zack Ling. A local Chinese 36yrs old male Singaporean, husband to a transgender woman by the name of Fanny Ler. I once served in the same military camp as you did sir.

 

 

I am not here to ask you to remove the S377A law or anything.

 

Sir, as you knew, Pink Dot 2014 had just ended peacefully at Hong Lim Park this year without a glitch. Technically speaking, Pink Dot turns out as been growing in numbers since 2009. We hit 26,000 people this year. 26,000, this is a figure where by most of them out there have been voting & supporting you politically all these while.

 

The thing is that recently I also understood that this Pastor Lawrence Khong have been protesting against the issue of us the LGBTQ community of holding our annual event at Hong Lim Park. He even organized a "Wear White" event to protest.

 

To me on a personal note sir, pastor Lawrence Khong is basically promoting hatred against the LGBTQ.

 

Sir, I am inspired by the ordinary common folks within the LGBTQ community. They just want to seek love, to have the ability & freedom to love who they wished to be with. We are not promoting / pushing any gay lifestyles to anyone.

 

I have been struck numerous times by these folks on their generosity & their dignity & their fundamental decency in their lives.

I was disgusted by the facts that these folks got hurt just because of their sexual orientation. They are taunted in schools, in the working society & in the military. They were rejected jobs because of who they are & what they are.

 

 

These folks have the rights, the basic fundamental human rights to be comfortable in their skin. The basic human rights to be able to love & be love by the ones they wished to be with.

 

We did nothing to them & we hurt no one. We just want to co-exist peacefully among the heterosexual folks, we just want to co-exist peacefully in the society, to be embrace, to be accepted & to be love by the society.

 

 

The LGBTQ community does contribute to our community. We contribute to the society as well. We work in the service industry & the private sector & even served in the military too.

 

 

Sir, do pardon me for saying this.. We have been reciting / singing our national pledge: ONE PEOPLE, ONE NATION, ONE SINGAPORE, as well as base on Justice   & Equality, regardless of race, language / religion..What does these words meant to the people now?

 

If pastor Lawrence Khong wish to promote this hatred by asking his followers to wear white & join hand with that Muslim religious teacher, all those words would basically loses their meanings in the national pledge.

 

 

He is basically dividing the country, the citizens & stir issues among the common ordinary folks.

 

 

Sir, I hope in the ending of this private message, if it ever gets to you, I just hoped that sir, you are able to speak to that religious teacher & Mr Lawrence Khong to end their nonsense against the LGBTQ.

 

 

I am sure the LGBTQ community would love to come out into the public to speak to pastor Lawrence Khong in an open dialogue & to question & debate about his issues with the LGBTQ community.

 

 

 

Thanks for taking your precious & valuable time to go thru this pte msg.

 

 

Yours Truly

Zack Ling

 

 

Simply put it, differences are respected and even celebrated, and where love is love. That's why our society has to show compassion for the LGBTQ community who are contributing to our society and the LGBTQ folks just wants a chance to move out of the shadows.

 

Regardless of race, Asians, young & old, rich & poor, LGBTQ, disabled & not disabled, all of us have something to contribute to our society.

I am only able to write & do only so much for this community with the unyielding support from my lovely & beautiful wife, Fanny Ler.

 

 

Thank you so much to all of you in the LGBTQ community.

[Guest Guest]

http://instagram.com/p/p_nuVVIboV/

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Hi Guys, may I know when is the confirmed Pink Dot 2015 event this year? Felt like plucking some courage to attend and support the event (but alone leh).

 

So do they sell pink t-shirts on the spot? Don't think I have one in my wardrobe. May need to start hunting for one. :-) 

:-)

[Vicso]

Hi Guys, may I know when is the confirmed Pink Dot 2015 event this year? Felt like plucking some courage to attend and support the event (but alone leh).

 

So do they sell pink t-shirts on the spot? Don't think I have one in my wardrobe. May need to start hunting for one. :-) 

:-)

13 June if i'm not wrong Uniqlo sells pink polo for 29.90!

[xLeviathan]

Hi Guys, may I know when is the confirmed Pink Dot 2015 event this year? Felt like plucking some courage to attend and support the event (but alone leh).

 

So do they sell pink t-shirts on the spot? Don't think I have one in my wardrobe. May need to start hunting for one. :-) 

:-)

You can join the BW group. They might organise one this year as they did last year.

[Guest ;p]

[benedict5856]

Personally, a stupid event.

Hey!!! I am gay! Please accept me. Please do not despise us. We also contribute to the economy. Help us fight for our rights.

And everyone start wearing pink.

[Eujiboo]

Personally, a stupid event.

Hey!!! I am gay! Please accept me. Please do not despise us. We also contribute to the economy. Help us fight for our rights.

And everyone start wearing pink.

 

You've got the facts wrong , that's why you think it's a stupid event .

Hi Guys, may I know when is the confirmed Pink Dot 2015 event this year? Felt like plucking some courage to attend and support the event (but alone leh).

 

So do they sell pink t-shirts on the spot? Don't think I have one in my wardrobe. May need to start hunting for one. :-) 

:-)

Some of the bw members did meet up last year , probably gonna have one this year also . Come join us , it'll be fun !