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1 hour ago, lonelyglobe said:

years after years is almost the same content, how to get innovative? its strange to find there are so many alone here and wish to go but somehow we are not able to form a group to represent BW........

 

I think even if BW organise, the people here also won't go leh.  Just a feel.

I feel many LGBT people are actually happy status quo.  I don't know why I feel that way.  Life in Singapore is better for singles than married people, really.  Even straight people don't want to get married.  Why would LGBT people bother to get married. 

This year would be interesting as you need to flash your NRIC to get a card to protest.  So we can see how many are really Singapore or PR.

 

I also have a question.  How many people here are going to wear white, for whatever reason, family, friends, church, etc... can raise hand for a feel ?

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We.Wear.Pink | Saturday, June 4

Why Wear Pink? Because it is a pro-Family, pro-Singapore message!

1. It is a message to everyone that we are also people who believes in the ethos of family-building and in nation-building. The idea of a family is the basic building block of society. Regardless of what constitutes a family, a family is still a family. 

2. It is a message to everyone that we have the freedom to love who we want to regardless of race, religion, SES, gender, etc. Can you imagine not being able to love someone because someone else says it is wrong?

3. It is a message to the press and society our commitment to build a progressive and inclusive Singapore.

 

Remember, this is not a protest. This is an important message.

We welcome all Singaporeans who support family values—regardless of race, language or religion.

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How can wear pink be pro-family ?   I think we should not pretend anymore.  Yes, we can fight for freedom to love.  But how can same sex couples produce off-spring ?   If we adopt, it's still not a natural family unit, no matter how we argue.  Is this the reason why fewer people are projected to attend Pink Dot this year, because many don't agree with the reasoning put forward ?   To fight a cause, we should be honest and truthful.

 

I can honestly say that if Singapore approves same sex marriage one day, it's because they try to appease us and not because they agree.  An artificial family will never be the same as a natural one and they just try to accommodate our desire for a marriage.  I think we should be grateful if that happens and appreciate them instead.  I think if we are honest and truthful, we may get more support from them, really.

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12 hours ago, nogun said:

I feel that pink dot should  invite the entire government to come and educated them what freedom of love means and let then understand the discrimination gay people face while we also must highlights the contribution gay people done for the society during pinkdot event an important showcase how the ignorant  fear gay people base on lack of knowledge,thus educating them while young  in school will  help prevent discrimination , education  knowledge is not promoting gay life style but teaching about diversity that exist within reality ,bringing social tolerance and understanding,an awareness that will help progress a. Conservative country to an open and updated one. 

 

Pink dot is an event that celebrates and brings awareness not to just gay people but to those who believe  in unconditional  love,true love!^^

 

I don't think the government will come since pinky himself didn't come.  Why not invite the oppositions who claim that they support LGBT instead ?   We can test them to see if they are really supporters of LGBT or just making use of LGBT for political points.  If they don't come, then we know we cannot trust them anymore.  Who can we invite ?  Let's list them here.

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http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/network-churches-revives-campaign-wear-white-pink-dot-weekend

 

Network of churches revives campaign to wear white on Pink Dot weekend

BY

REGINA MARIE LEE

reginalee@mediacorp.com.sg

PUBLISHED: 9:25 PM, MAY 23, 2016

SINGAPORE — A campaign urging the public to wear white to promote traditional family values will be held again — this time led by Christian pastor Lawrence Khong — to coincide with the annual Pink Dot rally championing the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community next month.

The campaign was first held two years ago by Islamic religious teacher Noor Deros under the name of Wearwhite, but Mr Noor said the movement has since moved on to focus on educational programmes, and has no plans to carry out the campaign this year.

Mr Khong’s iteration of the campaign is dubbed We.Wear.White, and calls on the public to wear white on June 4 and 5 as a “pro-family, pro-Government, pro-Singapore message”.

It comes as the Pink Dot rally, to be held at Hong Lim Park on June 4, is set to introduce a new format this year — allowing local participants to hold up placards instead of the customary pink torchlights, a move organisers said was aimed at letting people “have a say”.

The rally saw attendance grow to a record 28,000 people last year.

Mr Khong, chairman of LoveSingapore, a 100-strong network of Christian churches, said on the LoveSingapore Facebook page on May 19 that the campaign hopes to show that the church’s stance on heterosexual marriage and the “natural family” is in keeping with the social norms of “Singapore’s conservative majority”.

“It is a message to LGBT activists that there is a conservative majority in Singapore who will push back and will not allow them to promote their homosexual lifestyle and liberal ideologies that openly and outrightly contradict our laws, our Government’s stated policies, our national core values, and the conservative majority’s views on public morality, marriage and family,” said Mr Khong, who is also senior pastor at Faith Community Baptist Church.

The call was open to all Singaporeans regardless of race, language or religion, as long as they supported “pro-natural family values”, he added.

Mr Khong has regularly spoken out against homosexuality and had also thrown his support behind the Wearwhite campaign in 2014, igniting vigorous public debate and prompting other religious organisations to interject, while Pink Dot organisers deployed additional security in light of the public opposition.

The National Council of Churches of Singapore said then that while it does not condone homosexual or bisexual practices, it also does not condemn those who are struggling with their gender identity and sexual orientation.

The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore called for a non-confrontational approach and said programmes conducted in mosques should not be seen as a movement to oppose members of the LGBT community.

When contacted on Monday (May 23), Mr Noor expressed support for LoveSingapore’s call, but said that Wearwhite’s focus now is on “directed Islamic educational programmes” for youth.

“We decided that real education in contrast to sloganeering and campaigning is the key to an effective and long term change,” he said.

Last year, LoveSingapore also called on church members to wear white to weekend services on the Pink Dot weekend. Wearwhite did not hold a campaign to coincide with the Pink Dot rally, but it called on Muslims to dress in white on the first evening prayer to mark the start of Ramadan on June 17. Mr Noor said it was done not as a counter-reaction to Pink Dot, but to spread awareness on the concept of “freedom and love according to Islam”.

In response to TODAY’s queries, Pink Dot spokesperson Paerin Choa cited churches and religious communities that accept and embrace LGBT people, such as the Free Community Church.

“In a multi-cultural, multi-religious and multi-racial country like Singapore with secularism at its core, citizens are generally accepting of diversity,” he said. “We believe that families should be built on love and understanding, rather than exclusion.”

Mr Khong could not be reached for comment as of press time.

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Kudos to the sane and non-reactional wearwhite muslim community! They seem to understand, accept and respect the concept of multi-culturalism better than the lovesingapore group, which comes across as more stiff-necked, dogmatic and pedantic.

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11 hours ago, Guest Colourless said:

 

I don't think the government will come since pinky himself didn't come.  Why not invite the oppositions who claim that they support LGBT instead ?   We can test them to see if they are really supporters of LGBT or just making use of LGBT for political points.  If they don't come, then we know we cannot trust them anymore.  Who can we invite ?  Let's list them here.

 

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16 hours ago, Guest Colourless said:

How can wear pink be pro-family ?   I think we should not pretend anymore.  Yes, we can fight for freedom to love.  But how can same sex couples produce off-spring ?   If we adopt, it's still not a natural family unit, no matter how we argue.  Is this the reason why fewer people are projected to attend Pink Dot this year, because many don't agree with the reasoning put forward ?   To fight a cause, we should be honest and truthful.

 

I can honestly say that if Singapore approves same sex marriage one day, it's because they try to appease us and not because they agree.  An artificial family will never be the same as a natural one and they just try to accommodate our desire for a marriage.  I think we should be grateful if that happens and appreciate them instead.  I think if we are honest and truthful, we may get more support from them, really.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/when-the-third-party-is-a-same-sex-partner

 

If SG finally approve same sex marriage someday, it'll most probably be because, they'll finally realise it's better for two gay men to marry each other, than for their own daughters to marry a gay man and ruin her happiness, no thanks to their own attitude.

 

The "not in my backyard" and "if it's not broken, don't fix it" mindset is very strong in SG. Unless we make the gay problem a straight problem also, they will never want to address it. It's high time we change the Pink Dot slogan to "Don't want your own daughters to marry a gay man? Support gay rights and exterminate discrimination against gay", because to them, love between two gay men will always be bullshit no matter what.

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17 hours ago, Guest Colourless said:

How can wear pink be pro-family ?   I think we should not pretend anymore.  Yes, we can fight for freedom to love.  But how can same sex couples produce off-spring ?   If we adopt, it's still not a natural family unit, no matter how we argue.  Is this the reason why fewer people are projected to attend Pink Dot this year, because many don't agree with the reasoning put forward ?   To fight a cause, we should be honest and truthful.

 

I can honestly say that if Singapore approves same sex marriage one day, it's because they try to appease us and not because they agree.  An artificial family will never be the same as a natural one and they just try to accommodate our desire for a marriage.  I think we should be grateful if that happens and appreciate them instead.  I think if we are honest and truthful, we may get more support from them, really.

Wear pink is still pro-family. Pro family is all about love weather a person is adopted or not. Most liberal minded people think this way and it is honest and truthful. Only the conservative people had to twist and turn what pro family means. What if the natural father likes to rape his daughter? A Pro family organization without love like the wear white people is stubborn and wont listen to anything. They will just throw out their children if they found out they are gay so i dont think the wear white people is any Pro family.

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1 hour ago, SuperSentai said:

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/when-the-third-party-is-a-same-sex-partner

 

If SG finally approve same sex marriage someday, it'll most probably be because, they'll finally realise it's better for two gay men to marry each other, than for their own daughters to marry a gay man and ruin her happiness, no thanks to their own attitude.

 

The "not in my backyard" and "if it's not broken, don't fix it" mindset is very strong in SG. Unless we make the gay problem a straight problem also, they will never want to address it. It's high time we change the Pink Dot slogan to "Don't want your own daughters to marry a gay man? Support gay rights and exterminate discrimination against gay", because to them, love between two gay men will always be bullshit no matter what.

Paerin choa, et al., those 婆妈 pink dot message crafters will rather lick pussies than say those words. 

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6 hours ago, yoyo74 said:

Wear pink is still pro-family. Pro family is all about love weather a person is adopted or not. Most liberal minded people think this way and it is honest and truthful. Only the conservative people had to twist and turn what pro family means. What if the natural father likes to rape his daughter? A Pro family organization without love like the wear white people is stubborn and wont listen to anything. They will just throw out their children if they found out they are gay so i dont think the wear white people is any Pro family.

 

Being liberal minded does not mean it's always right, honest and truthful.  And I think if you compare liberals and conservatives, the liberal people are the more creative ones in twisting and turning.  

A lot of people fall in love but do not want to have a family.  So I guess Love =/= Family.    

 

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Who's got the connection to secure an "advantageous" spot?  Or one of us need to go extra early to mark the "turf" by spreading tissues or yellow ghost money around it.  Since it's 4th June of all days.  Cum picnic?  Even though most are fruitier than a basket.

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I try ..

If you are going there for the first time or solo, pm me.

 

We can have a group of BW friends ... I have been quite fortunate in the past year to have seated just infront of the stage.

Just bring your army poncho/groundsheet and we shall take turns to guard our belongings.  Don't forget your sunblock and mobile fans...you can get a small fan for under $5.  One trick you must do - put a bottle of water (flavoured or otherwise) into the freezer overnight.  Let the ice melts slowly and you will always have a cold/cool drink during the celebration.

 

This year, it is stated that the event begins at 3 p.m.   Hence it is advisable to meet slightly earlier, like 2 p.m. This will give us ample time to browse at the stalls.  Jialat, my Hokkien not very good but I know I am definitely going to enjoy watching Liu Ling Ling's antics and off-colour jokes.  

 

 

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On 21/03/2016 at 10:43 PM, Glyph said:

Nah, I'm not gonna organise anything for this year's PD. First attended it back in 2011, and have been doing so. It's really endearing watching the supportive crowd grow, but I'm thinking of skipping this year for a breather.

 

Anyone wanna volunteer and organise something for us? +)

 

Oh Glyph... you did not just post an ad on the main forum.

Is it?

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Why all ppl like marriage? 

 

Common,  it's morden day. Would marriage suppose to bind you gays till death fall part?  Please lah

 

Or becose you know it would legalize the right to inherit the other's property?  Such a hypocrite 

 

If two ppl really love each other,  staying together is enough,  even in dirty house without facilities,  they still happy day by day,  that's enough 

 

Society should realize this,  even with straight ones 

 

All boils down to human concept and the mind thinks what it wants to think

 

God,  please help us

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8 hours ago, Guest jesus said:

Why all ppl like marriage? 

 

Common,  it's morden day. Would marriage suppose to bind you gays till death fall part?  Please lah

 

Or becose you know it would legalize the right to inherit the other's property?  Such a hypocrite 

 

If two ppl really love each other,  staying together is enough,  even in dirty house without facilities,  they still happy day by day,  that's enough 

 

Society should realize this,  even with straight ones 

 

All boils down to human concept and the mind thinks what it wants to think

 

God,  please help us

 

Just FYI, you don't need to be married to inherit someone's things. So that is a null point. 

 

Next time, when your bf is in the hospital and needs someone to sign off medical procedures, you will realise how important marriage is when the right to make decisions isn't in your hands but his homophobic parents. Decisions like who is called in case of an emergency and who is allowed to come visit is no longer up to you. In fact, they could outright tell the medical staff to ban you from their son and the staff have to comply because it's completely legal. When you experienced how helpless you can be without the law to protect the status of you as the next of kin, you will realize why marriage is important.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, EasleyLim said:

 

Just FYI, you don't need to be married to inherit someone's things. So that is a null point. 

 

Next time, when your bf is in the hospital and needs someone to sign off medical procedures, you will realise how important marriage is when the right to make decisions isn't in your hands but his homophobic parents. Decisions like who is called in case of an emergency and who is allowed to come visit is no longer up to you. In fact, they could outright tell the medical staff to ban you from their son and the staff have to comply because it's completely legal. When you experienced how helpless you can be without the law to protect the status of you as the next of kin, you will realize why marriage is important.

 

You mean the girl friend of a guy has the rights over his parents ?  :frustrated:

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On 31 May 2016 at 9:34 PM, Guest Easy said:

 

You mean the girl friend of a guy has the rights over his parents ?  :frustrated:

How u made the conclusion??

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We're taking our phones off for Pink Dot on Saturday, 4 June 2016.

Our usual Hotline & Whatsapp counselling services from 2pm - 5pm will not run that day.

Volunteers & staff will be down at Hong Lim Park instead, so please come say hello at our booth in the Community Tent!

 

Our Hotline & Whatsapp counselling services will resume on Tuesday, 7 June 2016:
Hotline: 6226 2002
Whatsapp: 8592 0609
(Tue, Wed, Thu: 7pm-10pm; Sat: 2pm-5pm)

OogachagaCARE is an online counselling service by Oogachaga for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer & questioning (LGBTQ+) community. You can also reach us at:

However, if you need to talk to someone urgently because you're in emotional crisis, feeling suicidal or affected by suicide, please consider:

Samaritans of Singapore (SOS) 24hr suicide prevention hotline: 1-767 (1-SOS)

Oogachaga is a community-based, non-profit professional organization working with lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer & questioning (LGBTQ+) individuals, couples and families in Singapore since 1999. Visit us on www.oogachaga.LGBT / www.congregaytion.com

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Why I Would Never Go to Pink Dot Again

 

 

I've attended Pink Dot for the past 5 years, and have always been an avid supporter, but this is why I am boycotting Pink Dot this year.
 
I've watched the local gay pride movement grow from strength to strength as Pink Dot's turnout numbers steadily increased over the years. 
 
I was always amazed by how well organized our Pink Dot activists are, but what was even more amazing was how their ability to organize themselves put many of our political parties to shame. I used to think that Pink Dot was the one annual happy occasion where people came out to show the world that love is stronger than hate. 
 
But I won't be attending Pink Dot this year. Or any other years for that matter. This is coming from someone who has their fair share of LGBT friends and feels deeply for their plight of ostracization. But the Lawrence Khong Ikea sagaleft an extremely bitter taste in my mouth. Just to be clear: I am not a fan of Khong. I think he has espoused many a vile idea in the past but I believe he is entitled to his right to free speech. 
 
And his right to earn a living.
 
The Ikea saga had in my mind, exposed a very ugly side of our pro gay community. 
 
I silently watched while people on my facebook feed screamed that Khong's magic show should be boycotted and shut down. 
 
That he shouldn't be granted any platforms to air his views despite the glaring fact that Khong was simply putting on a magic show performance. 
 
That it was shameful for Ikea to help sell tickets for Khong's magic show just because he has been public with his anti gay stance in the past. 
 
I tried to reason with some of the rabid "anti Khongers" within my circle but they wouldn't back down from their position. They justified their frenzy by saying it was just for them to oppress someone who was hell-bent on oppressing them. When I asked if they were a part of an active coordinated boycott campaign to strike against Khong. "The reporters egged us on. This is not a boycott. We didn't call for a boycott or organize a boycott. But people are free to boycott if they want." was the glib response I got.
 
"The point of a free society is to tolerate a wide range of views whether you like them or not. But your actions towards Khong totally flies in the face of your message of inclusivity and acceptance." was all I could think about when I read their response. It was a wake up call  that made me recoil. And that was when I made my decision to never attend Pink Dot ever again. 
 
Will I ever rejoin my fellow Singaporeans in pink solidarity at Hong Lim Park? Maybe when our pro gay side finally decides to practice what it preaches. Until then I shall wear pink at home come Pink Dot day.
 
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To Guest NOMORE:

Khong should tolerate PLU, not we tolerate him.  When he wants war, how to find peace?  Peace only comes when everyone is treated equally and accepted by the society. 

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2 hours ago, Guest NOMORE said:

Why I Would Never Go to Pink Dot Again

 

 

I've attended Pink Dot for the past 5 years, and have always been an avid supporter, but this is why I am boycotting Pink Dot this year.
 
I've watched the local gay pride movement grow from strength to strength as Pink Dot's turnout numbers steadily increased over the years. 
 
I was always amazed by how well organized our Pink Dot activists are, but what was even more amazing was how their ability to organize themselves put many of our political parties to shame. I used to think that Pink Dot was the one annual happy occasion where people came out to show the world that love is stronger than hate. 
 
But I won't be attending Pink Dot this year. Or any other years for that matter. This is coming from someone who has their fair share of LGBT friends and feels deeply for their plight of ostracization. But the Lawrence Khong Ikea sagaleft an extremely bitter taste in my mouth. Just to be clear: I am not a fan of Khong. I think he has espoused many a vile idea in the past but I believe he is entitled to his right to free speech. 
 
And his right to earn a living.
 
The Ikea saga had in my mind, exposed a very ugly side of our pro gay community. 
 
I silently watched while people on my facebook feed screamed that Khong's magic show should be boycotted and shut down. 
 
That he shouldn't be granted any platforms to air his views despite the glaring fact that Khong was simply putting on a magic show performance. 
 
That it was shameful for Ikea to help sell tickets for Khong's magic show just because he has been public with his anti gay stance in the past. 
 
I tried to reason with some of the rabid "anti Khongers" within my circle but they wouldn't back down from their position. They justified their frenzy by saying it was just for them to oppress someone who was hell-bent on oppressing them. When I asked if they were a part of an active coordinated boycott campaign to strike against Khong. "The reporters egged us on. This is not a boycott. We didn't call for a boycott or organize a boycott. But people are free to boycott if they want." was the glib response I got.
 
"The point of a free society is to tolerate a wide range of views whether you like them or not. But your actions towards Khong totally flies in the face of your message of inclusivity and acceptance." was all I could think about when I read their response. It was a wake up call  that made me recoil. And that was when I made my decision to never attend Pink Dot ever again. 
 
Will I ever rejoin my fellow Singaporeans in pink solidarity at Hong Lim Park? Maybe when our pro gay side finally decides to practice what it preaches. Until then I shall wear pink at home come Pink Dot day.
 

Histrionic personality disorder. Check.

 

https://www.imh.com.sg/contact-us/

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1 hour ago, Guest PINKDOTTER said:

 

 

 

Messiah complex. Check.

Schizotypal personality disorder. Check.

Antisocial personality disorder. Check.

Paranoid personality disorder. Check.

Histrionic personality disorder. Check.

Narcissistic personality disorder. Check.

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. Check check check.

 

https://www.imh.com.sg/contact-us/

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1 hour ago, Guest Peace said:

To Guest NOMORE:

Khong should tolerate PLU, not we tolerate him.  When he wants war, how to find peace?  Peace only comes when everyone is treated equally and accepted by the society. 

 

This is the peace that US have gotton.  Man can simply say I'm a transgender and walk into a ladies toilet.  No one is allowed to verify his claim.  If the woman or child is not comfortable, she is a bigot and will be dealt with by the security.   There is no security for woman anymore.  It's not the transgender at fault nor the LGBT cause they are not the one that issued this decree for man to walk into the woman's toilet (the man does not have to be a transgender.  he just need to say I'm a transgender EVEN is he is not one).  This is the type of peace that is gotton from Gay Marriage and in the future, Pink Dot.  

 

Even liberals do not agree with this.  She is a democrat liberal working for the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union).  Why blame conservatives and the religious when the liberals are against it too !

 

The head of the ACLU's Georgia chapter resigned because of President Obama's transgender directive requiring public schools to allow students to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

Maya Dillard Smith told The Kelly File she took a stand on the issue after witnessing three transgender young adults over six feet tall with deep voices enter a women's restroom, which frightened her elementary school age daughters.

She said the ACLU didn't provide "the opportunity for robust discourse on the competing civil rights" of LGBT equality and religious freedom.

Smith, a Democrat, said she is open-minded about the issue and wanted to learn more about it through a debate, but the ACLU was not agreeable to it. 

She added that the same thing applies in the case of religious freedom bills that have been passed in the United States.

"It became very evident to me that the ACLU and myself were simply principally and philosophically unaligned on a number of issues," she said.


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2 hours ago, Guest Peace said:

To Guest NOMORE:

Khong should tolerate PLU, not we tolerate him.  When he wants war, how to find peace?  Peace only comes when everyone is treated equally and accepted by the society. 

 

Khong is against normalisation of gay marriage and not LGBTs. 

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2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Khong is against normalisation of gay marriage and not LGBTs. 

Where you got fed this bs? He's against everything LGBT. Obvious from the way he targets 377a and the acceptance of gay people in wider society.

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45 minutes ago, Guest Pink said:

What's happening at pink dot now?

Any pics?

 

You will see 70% of crowd made up of groups of xmm sitting and staring around like this:

 

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1 hour ago, Guest Pink said:

What's happening at pink dot now?

Any pics?

 

Confused by people wearing pink and white.  Who are they supporting ?  The compere also wear pink and white !

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