Pink Dot Event Discussion (2007 to Present Day) (compiled)

[Sh3rlock]

2 hours ago, Guest Dave said:

 

Reminder guys if you don’t want to attend Pink Dot, there is other option.

Thank you for reminding me of at least one of the reasons why I am going to pinkdot today. 

FYI my God is a caring Father who has a Son and understands what love is. 

[heliumduck]

 

HAPPY PINK DOT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Hemnes]

17 hours ago, Eujiboo said:

Tomorrow's finally Pink Dot!

 

I still feel like the government/police is really stepping up this year with the added security to try to dissuade people from attending the event. Since now only Singaporeans and PRs can attend, I've also have a few Singaporean friends that don't want to attend this year because their friends or partners aren't allowed. A hurdle for this year's event, I really hope our community can see the importance for banding together even more.

 

On the side note, is anyone going alone or planning to go but have no one to go with? I'm meeting a few friends there, anyone who'd wanna tag along can totally do so! Give me a heads up, pass me your contact, you don't need to be alone (:

 

 

@chumkyallinone

Edited July 1, 2017 by Hemnes

[G_M]

It had been brought to our attention that an anonymous guest (sic) had posted a religiously insulting post about other race in our group,

 

We had clearly stated in our rules that we do not allow sensitive topics like politics, religions, race issues, let alone the abuse of these topics.

 

"2. No racist and anti-religious comments
Racist and anti-religious comments about a particular religion is forbidden. We live in a multi-racial and multi-cultural society and we aspire to respect BWers of any races or religions. Racist or offensive religious comments will be removed immediately to protect the sensitivities of our readers."

We had allowed guest post so that those whom are discreet can be given a voice.  As moderator, we cannot control how these anonymous guests post their topics. And these topics are NOT the voice of this forum nor do they speak for the community. It's all their individual opinion, etc. 

 

Today is "Pink Dot" lets all choose the "Freedom to love" and let's show love instead of anger.

[Guest Question!]

Sorry to disturb you guys, but is it okay to wear other colored t-shirts (like black, etc) to Pink Dot? I want to show my support today, but I don't have any pink or red colored clothings.

[Guest Emotional Goon]

48 minutes ago, G_M said:

It had been brought to our attention that an anonymous guest (sic) had posted a religiously insulting post about other race in our group,

 

We had clearly stated in our rules that we do not allow sensitive topics like politics, religions, race issues, let alone the abuse of these topics.

 

"2. No racist and anti-religious comments
Racist and anti-religious comments about a particular religion is forbidden. We live in a multi-racial and multi-cultural society and we aspire to respect BWers of any races or religions. Racist or offensive religious comments will be removed immediately to protect the sensitivities of our readers."

We had allowed guest post so that those whom are discreet can be given a voice.  As moderator, we cannot control how these anonymous guests post their topics. And these topics are NOT the voice of this forum nor do they speak for the community. It's all their individual opinion, etc. 

 

Today is "Pink Dot" lets all choose the "Freedom to love" and let's show love instead of anger.

That post was in response to the video before it where millenias were asked what's the first thing that comes to mind when they hear the word gay, and the Malay guy in the video said "Oh. Disgusting". I was responding emotionally to that insensitive and offensive remark. On hindsight, I realised my remark was overboard. I hereby apologize for my insensitivity and promise not to use those words again.

[G_M]

35 minutes ago, Guest Emotional Goon said:

That post was in response to the video before it where millenias were asked what's the first thing that comes to mind when they hear the word gay, and the Malay guy in the video said "Oh. Disgusting". I was responding emotionally to that insensitive and offensive remark. On hindsight, I realised my remark was overboard. I hereby apologize for my insensitivity and promise not to use those words again.

 

I had mentioned many times that BW is a open forum which can be google. We will usually delete such post if it had been brought to our attention.

 

However your outburst had been captured and made public. 

 

 We are all adults (anonymous guests or members) we must be responsible for our actions and words (online or offline)

[lean n mean]

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Edited August 11, 2017 by lean n mean

[Guest Not fair]

6 minutes ago, Guest Not fair said:

Making fun of gays, emotional and verbal abuses of gays are just as, if not more deadly than physical abuses, especially when repeated ad nauseam in the long term due to cultural and legal sanctions, can accumulate in the long run and result in traumas in the psyches of gays. LGBT suicides, which are not reported or under-reported, usually ticked off as "due to depression" and become "just part of depression suicide statistics" due to cultural sensitivities, many can be ascribed to long term exposure to such culturally sanctioned and unchecked verbal and emotional abuses. 

 

What some people regard as the mere passing of remarks, personal opinions or jokes are in fact harmful to others. Not everyone is invulnerable to such remarks or opinions or jokes. To some, such remarks can be cruel and emotionally abusive.

We all just have to be more sensitive when expressing our personal opinions. When one side takes off the filter, the other side sometimes may follow suit. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. Lesson noted.

[HendryTan]

To "Guest Not fair":

 

1. I don't know whether you are the guy who posted about the earlier topics.

 

2. Unfortunately the law of the land is as such.  377A is the law of the land and Hate-Speech against LGBT is "norm" and NOT ILLEGAL.

 

3. Pink Dot is a major step to overcome this Society INJUSTICE against LGBT.

 

4. Do your part by going to HongLim Park and support Pink Dot instead of continuously ranting and derailing this Pink Dot Discussion.

I have deleted your posts to bring the topic back on track. 

 

Hendry Tan

 

PS: You should register an account online if you want your voice to be seriously heard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vometra]

Wahhhhh lotsa people here already! Queues at all the entry points!

[wan862011]

I'm @ pink dot 2017 near the stage. So many ppl. The queue to enter in crazy

[Creevie]

Not trying to take the piss, but I never understood how come racist or anti-religious sentiments are not allowed on this forum, but crude threads on genital pics are allowed to trend rampantly. 

I was gonna comment that even as a gay man, I don't like all gays, and I don't feel totally at ease with certain races. I don't attend Pink Dot partly because of the pretentious lineup of speakers and "celebrities". 

Of course, in as much as we're embracing some level of Freedom of Speech here, there are limits to what can be spoken (think of Amos Yee lol), and that's beneficial. I just feel this GM's high-handed governance is rather fake. But this is my anti-authority persona speaking. Overall, I believe in harmony still. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Creevie

[Hemnes]

Getting real crowded here!

[auscent]

Yes! We celebrate the right to love!

[Vometra]

One year down, another one to go!

[fab]

8 hours ago, lean n mean said:

Mr Lee Hsien Yang's son is going too. "if you do not stand up yourself, you cannot expect others to fight for you". 

 

See you guys later

 

 

He's so brave.

 

I salute him.

[Hemnes]

3 minutes ago, fab said:

 

He's so brave.

 

I salute him.

His profile pic is 2 guys kissing. Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but.. is he taking this as a chance to come out?

[lean n mean]

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Edited August 11, 2017 by lean n mean
event over

[Vometra]

Yes the 10 minutes before the light up were totally idiotic. The rainbow umbrellas, the synchronized choreography and Over the Rainbow were brilliant however. Saw Li Huanwu too. He's quite tall and well built  Didn't see his significant other though.

[LickinGood]

20,000 people went

[Guest Wow]

1 hour ago, Vometra said:

Yes the 10 minutes before the light up were totally idiotic. The rainbow umbrellas, the synchronized choreography and Over the Rainbow were brilliant however. Saw Li Huanwu too. He's quite tall and well built  Didn't see his significant other though.

Wow

 

who is he with??

[yoyo74]

4 hours ago, Hemnes said:

His profile pic is 2 guys kissing. Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but.. is he taking this as a chance to come out?

If you see properly its him and his partner drawn in cartoon form.

[yoyo74]

On 6/30/2017 at 10:52 PM, Guest HI ! said:

 

What happen to diversity and inclusiveness ?  People have different reasons for going or not going.  If people find it meaningless, so be it.  May be at this moment, they don't have any close one and they find it meaningless to fight for this cause, I can totally understand.  I just respect them and hopefully, they find somebody next year - good luck !

To wait until have a close one than find the meaning to fight for this cause is very selfish. This cause is for all LGBT and not individual selfishness.

[yoyo74]

22 hours ago, Guest Dave said:

 

Reminder guys if you don’t want to attend Pink Dot, there is other option.

Reminder to Guest Dave.

There is so many religion in this world and most of the religion would say that their god is the true one and following other religion would go to hell.

All religion say they have concrete proof and facts but all religion also deny the so call concrete proof of other religion

Using the probability of maths, believing in one religion will have a high chance of getting into hell as other religion would say theirs is the heaven path while yours is a hell path.

So the religious option that you chosen had a high chance to go to hell mathematically. So i would not want to pray to a low chance of getting into heaven and a high chance of getting into hell until there is an undeniable prove to a correct god if there is.

[Guest Navel Gayzer]

5 hours ago, yoyo74 said:

Reminder to Guest Dave.

There is so many religion in this world and most of the religion would say that their god is the true one and following other religion would go to hell.

All religion say they have concrete proof and facts but all religion also deny the so call concrete proof of other religion

Using the probability of maths, believing in one religion will have a high chance of getting into hell as other religion would say theirs is the heaven path while yours is a hell path.

So the religious option that you chosen had a high chance to go to hell mathematically. So i would not want to pray to a low chance of getting into heaven and a high chance of getting into hell until there is an undeniable prove to a correct god if there is.

Why dignify his call for attention with a response? Don't bother about it. Just ignore that troll. It will get no satisfaction if all it's harassments on LGBTs are completely and outrightly ignored.

[Creevie]

Pink Dot... Glad it went well for all! Nice rainbow effect too. More and more beautiful every year. Happy Mid Year too. Happy SAF Day too! Now let's look forward to the Hungry Ghost Festival wooohooo!!!

[Creevie]

Anyway how come Li Huanwu is addressing "Dear Singaporeans and PRs" like he's some political figure or what... 

[yoyo74]

16 minutes ago, Creevie said:

Anyway how come Li Huanwu is addressing "Dear Singaporeans and PRs" like he's some political figure or what... 

Its because only Singaporeans and PR allow inside lol

[Guest pinkdot2017]

https://www.facebook.com/pinkdotsg/videos/10155596332848304/

[Guest outside]

And outside the barricades…

Jul 02, 2017 12.08PM | Johannes Tjendro

 

NEVER mind that Hong Lim Park was off-limits to foreigners yesterday (Jul 1), they made a beeline for the bars around Chinatown. Outlets such as Dorothy’s Bar and Ladies District were live-streaming the event. Some like Gem Bar were offering cocktails at a discount, if you wear pink.

Parties were going on at full-swing after the festivities wound down at the green a 10-minute walk away. Pink Dot said that they didn’t organise any of the parallel events, but it seemed that the LGBT-friendly bars in the area took the chance to provide a venue for foreigners who were barred from participating at Pink Dot itself.

When TMG visited Club Street, the atmosphere was light-hearted. If the night was meant to be a special celebration, there was little clue of it – no decors beyond two rainbow flags at the top of Gem Bar.  Except for the people themselves, clad in pink, drinking and bantering away in merriment.

Most people that TMG spoke to got wind of the live screenings and after-parties through word of mouth. Mr Rich Allen, a Briton who had been in Singapore since November last year, was told about the gathering by a friend who was involved in organising one of the after-parties.

Malaysian Mr Imran Attrash, who was enjoying his draught beer at Gem Bar, said that he came over after seeing a post about alternative places for foreigners to go to on Pink Dot’s Facebook Page. Pink Dot did say that while they appreciated the initiatives, all external events are unaffiliated with Pink Dot.

 

So it seemed that yesterday night was a contrast to what Mr Attrash had perceived about Singapore, having felt “afraid to explore” different entertainment venues in Singapore as he was unsure if the place would be LGBT-friendly. Mr Attrash was accompanied by Mr Wilson Cuadrado, an Ecuadorian who flew in to Singapore to catch Britney Spears concert the night before (Jun 30).

At Oxwell & Co., TMG asked Mr Steven Wright about the changes to Pink Dot this year, especially the erecting of barricades. “I think it’s antiquated, stupid… It was frustrating. But I have to respect it as a foreigner”, lamented the American who had been in Singapore for five years. In the same vein, Malaysian Mr Wil Lin said that it is “one step back from civilisation… The world is more receptive and accepting of LGBT [now]”.

 

Mr Thorin Duffin, a Briton who had been to Pink Dot in the past two years, felt that barricading the event seemed short-sighted, calling* the barricades “metaphorical prisons” that made for “ludicrous aesthetics for international press”. Having worked at the United Nations, he also pointed out that Singapore is a “signatory of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)”. Thus, Singapore ought to fulfill its “international community obligation”, rather than carrying on with “this dichotomy” of having discriminatory laws.

Although not a binding treaty as a whole, the UDHR contains certain “political-moral aspirations” that have become “customary international law”, which are binding “as Singapore courts have recognised”.

Mr Duffin nevertheless said that: “It’s an opportunity to show that it’s Singaporeans who are supporting Pink Dot.” He intimated that some of his Singaporean colleagues had never gone to Pink Dot but went this year to show support. “By banning foreigners from participating, they actually turn it into a Singaporean-led event.” He added.

Another silver lining for Mr Duffin was that there were now external events beyond the confines of Hong Lim Park, as he pointed out that in previous years there was nothing going on outside Pink Dot itself.

“Mixed feelings” were Mr Frederic Guiraldi’s response when asked about the barricades. On the one hand, the expat understands that “too many foreigners influencing locals too much” is a valid concern for any government. But the way the ban was presented “felt a little anti-LGBT”.

 

But Mr Guiraldi added that if the “purpose was to make sure it was a local debate… to give voice to local voices, I [he] would have been more supportive” about the ban on foreigners. In fact, he saw this as a silver lining over the ban, saying that he was “very very pleased a lot of [local] people, not just LGBTQ but also allies” turned up to support, including 120 local sponsors who stepped up after foreign companies were banned from sponsoring the event. For him, this showed that the locals themselves are making it clear that LGBT rights are something they value.

Taiwanese Mr Jason Yin, who had been to Pink Dot in the past two years, weighed in: “As an Asian, I like that Singaporeans are given a chance to show their support… We expect this to come from the West, but now Asians too can take initiative and lead. It’s not the Westerners [imposing their values], but Singaporeans themselves [who are voicing out].” He added that: “For so long, the G has always said that Singapore is not ready for this and that… but the right question is: ‘What are we doing to prepare the society?’”

 

As the hours passed at that intersection between Club Street and Ann Siang Hill, men and women carried on with their merry-making. For them, it seemed like the night was still young.

 

http://themiddleground.sg/2017/07/02/and-outside-the-barricades/

[heliumduck]

Pink Dot 2017 1 of 3 - Highlights

https://www.facebook.com/pg/pinkdotsg/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10155599287003304

 

Pink Dot 2017 2 of 3 - Family, Friends, Community & Sponsors

https://www.facebook.com/pg/pinkdotsg/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10155599431768304

 

Pink Dot 2017 3 of 3 - Concert, Ambassadors and Light Up Moments

https://www.facebook.com/pg/pinkdotsg/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10155600355828304

[heliumduck]

 

THANKS EVERYBARDI ! THANKS!

 

and all the poor security aunties who had to touch us up down left right from 2 till 930pm

 

Edited July 2, 2017 by heliumduck

[HendryTan]

 

From Pinkdot FB:

 

20,000 Singaporeans and Permanent Residents make a stand as we take another step towards a kinder, more inclusive Singapore.

 

 

 

[lovehandle]

many complaints about it is full house, it is time for a larger venue next year?

anyway, like I alwys mentioned , we don't need an event to tell the world that we exist

read this:

https://medium.com/@Fayewrites_/im-a-transgender-in-singapore-and-i-don-t-support-pink-dot-845d666eefb9 shared by Nicole Ling

https://www.facebook.com/Nicole.Ling.Psychology?fref=search

 

as well as my previous yr posting, what is the point of organising it and then ....

after the event, those who disapprove us will conte to disapprove us...they will only feel that the troublemakers are out again every year, "nevertheless i m not gonna support my son with his bf"
Life goes on the same old way after that

 

unless next year marketing is about life example of many who finally got the approval due to prior years' pink dot events

[Creevie]

OK Pink Dot's over. Back to our normal lives

Ciao~

[Guest Guest]

Checking of IC at entrance limits the number of people going to pink dot premises, quite disappointed for many people who were there as they could not enter even though they are sporeans and PRs. But overall there are still tons of people going to pink dot.

[Guest Guest]

On 1 July 2017 at 11:39 PM, Vometra said:

Yes the 10 minutes before the light up were totally idiotic. The rainbow umbrellas, the synchronized choreography and Over the Rainbow were brilliant however. Saw Li Huanwu too. He's quite tall and well built  Didn't see his significant other though.

Li hannwu was at pink dot? So he is gay?

 

[fab]

27 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Checking of IC at entrance limits the number of people going to pink dot premises, quite disappointed for many people who were there as they could not enter even though they are sporeans and PRs. But overall there are still tons of people going to pink dot.

 

Everyone is supposed to carry his ic when outside of his home.

 

[abang]

Where is Singaporean's kiasu-ism when it is most required?

Try saying this in Hokkien..我是新加坡“人”。

 

I am a blue-blooded Singaporean as I was both kiasu and kiasi for this event, PINKDOT.  I've anticipated a huge turnout and with my AMDK making his debut presence at the event, we made it a point to reach the grounds before 3.30 pm.  Yes, it was some 2 hours before the Community Voices but we were happily mingling with the crowd at the community stalls/stands.  We got a first-hand understanding of the various organisations, especially those transgender and lesbians ones..sorry, I was that ignorant of their existence!

 

And because we were early, we managed to secure a good sitting spot to watch the concert, just right in front of the stage.  We were able to spread our poncho/groundsheet and arranged our barang-barangs.  

 

With regards to IC check, don't you arrive well ahead of time for your flight at the airport?  Don't you want to clear all immigration procedures and sashayed through the duty-free shops leisurely?  Would you not arrive at the stipulated gate at least 45 minutes before flight time for that final security check?  If we are willing to do all these, (yes for a simple 2 hour flight to Bangkok, we still need to reach the airport 2 hours below flight time), would we not do the same for PINKDOT... The same goes for National Day Parade and concerts at Esplanade, the spectators/audience are required to be seated at their designated seat,well in advance of the commencement.  So why not for PinkDOT?

 

Kudos for the entire team of organisers, sponsors, volunteers, paid security personnel and most importantly, everyone for making this PINKDOT a BIG success.  I am proud to "SWEAT it out" as a Singaporean!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Those who could not get into pink dot area should be aware that they need to go early for next year if they still require to check IC. If no need to check IC, people even can reach pink dot before the formation also no problem.

[tomcat]

an alternative perspective, we must discuss and honour all lives and voices.

https://medium.com/@Fayewrites_/im-a-transgender-in-singapore-and-i-don-t-support-pink-dot-845d666eefb9

[Guest Don't Touch this]

17 hours ago, heliumduck said:

 

THANKS EVERYBARDI ! THANKS!

 

and all the poor security aunties who had to touch us up down left right from 2 till 930pm

 

huh? no policemen to touch us "here and there" meh?

[Guest Feelings]

I have this feelings that Pinkdot is getting more and more colorful, better than National Day show to the extend someday the MPs may have to attend to show their solidarity with the LGBT. 

 

[Guest Faye Wrong]

51 minutes ago, tomcat said:

an alternative perspective, we must discuss and honour all lives and voices.

https://medium.com/@Fayewrites_/im-a-transgender-in-singapore-and-i-don-t-support-pink-dot-845d666eefb9

She said there isn't institutionalized homophobia in singapore. I will like to know which rock she is living under! She doesn't support pink dot as she said 377A applies only to gay males and not transgender, I supposed that's the main reason; there's no need to go so far as to proclaim the rest of what she justifies as pinkdot redundancy as fact. She is just trying to act like a stupid contrarian with her vain writings full of self praises.

[Guest Vainglorious Twat]

58 minutes ago, Guest Don't Touch this said:

huh? no policemen to touch us "here and there" meh?

Aunties are a better facade and symbolic signifier of asexualism. Righhhhhhht!

 

Fact: aunties got paid to molest all the nubile young things. Knnbccb, didn't go and probably won't go next year.

 

Li Huanwu: try channeling your grandfather when he garnered voters in 1960s to win his first election. 70% of sinkapor"lians" may just turn up. And that's A LOT of people.

[Guest Zero Theorem]

On 7/2/2017 at 3:37 AM, yoyo74 said:

Reminder to Guest Dave.

There is so many religion in this world and most of the religion would say that their god is the true one and following other religion would go to hell.

All religion say they have concrete proof and facts but all religion also deny the so call concrete proof of other religion

Using the probability of maths, believing in one religion will have a high chance of getting into hell as other religion would say theirs is the heaven path while yours is a hell path.

So the religious option that you chosen had a high chance to go to hell mathematically. So i would not want to pray to a low chance of getting into heaven and a high chance of getting into hell until there is an undeniable prove to a correct god if there is.

 

LOVE this ! TQ so much yoyo74.  Maybe you are a reincarnation of theologian John Hick!

[Magicerife]

how come nobody questions whether nathan hartano is one of us when he's being an active ambassador but points the finger at li when he's just, there.

[Guest Naydern Artornor]

2 minutes ago, Magicerife said:

how come nobody questions whether nathan hartano is one of us when he's being an active ambassador but points the finger at li when he's just, there.

He used a rainbow guitar strap in the China singing competition. Who knows! He may be a bona fide straight ally! Fingers crossed he isn't another opportunist. Gay or straight, he is fabulous!

[Gray32]

For those who came down, thanks for supporting! <3

 

Those who volunteered, hope to see you on 9 July!