Difference Between Foreign Talent And Foreign Worker

[Guest David]

Overheard. You are only a foreign talent if you earn 10k or more per month. Agree?

[Guest FT = Foreign Trash]

Disagree. You are only a foreign talent if you are doing a job that no Singaporean has the skill or ability to perform, or you are renown in whichever field you're in.

[fab]

In one my former MNC company that I have worked for, out of the 7 Brand managers posts, 4 are foreigners.

So these are the posts that singaporeans are shunning, according to our govt?

[Guest PAPtalkcock]

So these are the posts that singaporeans are shunning, according to our govt?

PAP talks lots of cock.

[Guest Hard Truth]

Sound like foreign opportunists to me, not a genuine talent. Whether a person is a talent lies in the criterias set for them to come in. If any tom dick and harry can easily earn a S pass, EP or PR after working for a year or two, than calling these people a talent is like calling a village kitten a tiger. If our critierias are more stringent such that at least 10 years working expertise with a qualification of professor, MBA or PHD is met than I vowed that they are the true talent we need.

At least for now, I know all my foreigner neighbours ain't the salt we expected them to be. My vietnamese neighbour is a whore working in nightclub, my pinoy neighbour on the top floor worked as Acccounts executive, my china neighbour is a masseur and one a mobile hawker selling woman apparels, and another indian seemed jobless because he always loitered nearby. I am not trying to be prejudice but hundreds of thousands to nearly a million people stood testamont to what we saw with our own eyes, in our own backyard.

Are the current pool of foreigners true talent? only they themselves know and probably gigling at the stupidity of our own immigration policies.

Than again, I am not anti-foreigners because some of them are truly useful like road sweepers, construction workers, ship repairers, house maid, nurses and doctors. They ain't talent but practicial to our society short of them.

[Guest Xiaoxue]

Sound like foreign opportunists to me, not a genuine talent.

You can call these foreigners 'economic refugees'...

[Foreign Talent]

Disagree. You are only a foreign talent if you are doing a job that no Singaporean has the skill or ability to perform, or you are renown in whichever field you're in.

Hmmmm. As a non-Singaporean, may I offer up my current circumstances just as an example?

I work for a European company who are currently expanding into Asia - they have chosen to use Singapore as a springboard to launch themselves into the Far East Asian market.

They had two choices:

1. hire someone locally in Singapore as their local manager

2. promote/send someone from HQ in Europe whom they know is a tried & tested entity to Singapore

They went for the latter - and that transpired to be me. My point is simple: is there someone in Singapore with the skills to do what I do? Of course! I don't think what I do is that complex and the financial services sector in Singapore is well developed enough for there to be someone my bosses can hire and train up to do what I do.

But they didn't - they went for option 2 instead. And that's what many foreign companies do when expanding into Singapore - ie. bring someone from HQ rather than hire a local. The question is WHY?

You see my friend, by your definition many of the foreigners working in Singapore are foreign workers/trash (call it what you want) - but some of them are earning huge amounts of money, but hey - they're doing jobs that Singaporeans can indeed perform, it's just that the employers prefer foreigners. Such is the paradox my friend - and it's the employers (and the HR depts in particular) who are causing this paradox of companies choosing to import 'talent' when there's no shortage in Singapore and yet this paradox persists. And once you guys are done with you venom-spitting exercise bashing foreigners, saying how we are the scum of the earth and that we should go to hell and rot there etc - ask yourself this: why do you have this paradox in the first place?

And if you guys wanna differentiate between the Swiss private banker and the Bangladeshi construction worker - please go ahead, they're both foreigners are the end of the day.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Foreign Talent

[Guest Guest]

Hmmmm. As a non-Singaporean, may I offer up my current circumstances just as an example?

I work for a European company who are currently expanding into Asia - they have chosen to use Singapore as a springboard to launch themselves into the Far East Asian market.

They had two choices:

1. hire someone locally in Singapore as their local manager

2. promote/send someone from HQ in Europe whom they know is a tried & tested entity to Singapore

They went for the latter - and that transpired to be me. My point is simple: is there someone in Singapore with the skills to do what I do? Of course! I don't think what I do is that complex and the financial services sector in Singapore is well developed enough for there to be someone my bosses can hire and train up to do what I do.

But they didn't - they went for option 2 instead. And that's what many foreign companies do when expanding into Singapore - ie. bring someone from HQ rather than hire a local. The question is WHY?

You see my friend, by your definition many of the foreigners working in Singapore are foreign workers/trash (call it what you want) - but some of them are earning huge amounts of money, but hey - they're doing jobs that Singaporeans can indeed perform, it's just that the employers prefer foreigners. Such is the paradox my friend.

And if you guys wanna differentiate between the Swiss private banker and the Bangladeshi construction worker - please go ahead, they're both foreigners are the end of the day.

Agree with u, being a Singaporean I should say we need to be more positive and kind ....if we got talent we also can go ard the world... Fair

[Foreign Talent]

Agree with u, being a Singaporean I should say we need to be more positive and kind ....if we got talent we also can go ard the world... Fair

Exactly well said. Many of my peers from JC are working in places from Qatar to the US to Australia to the UK to India and I even have one working for the UN in Gabon in Africa. Singaporeans can equally spread their wings and become foreign talent elsewhere too.

[Guest BabaOompaYagaLoompa]

Me work in a foreign bank here. Many many ang mohs, Most sadly, not that smart. Asked them why come here - no work back at home, so no choice had to leave country. Paid them more 15k a month, dunno how to do the work end up their local counterpart to cover some of their duties. Still not paiseh, always leave early go pubbing and clubbing, while the local stay late - paid only 4k a month. Haiz!!!

[Clickclock]

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Edited September 16, 2011 by clickclock

[suckling_pig]

Me work in a foreign bank here. Many many ang mohs, Most sadly, not that smart. Asked them why come here - no work back at home, so no choice had to leave country. Paid them more 15k a month, dunno how to do the work end up their local counterpart to cover some of their duties. Still not paiseh, always leave early go pubbing and clubbing, while the local stay late - paid only 4k a month. Haiz!!!

We Easterners tend to depend on everybody knowing our own boundaries and being paiseh to overstep it. Do not be fooled, the Western, culture is based on the individual grabbing as much as he can until someone else opposes him and marks out the boundary. Forgive me if I over-generalise, but in my observation, this is the basic difference in the East Asian and Western attitudes to work relationships.

Regarding the difference in pay, Singaporeans have only ourselves to blame. If we take such conditions quitely and be just resigned to that fate, then we deserve it. The truth is, Singaporeans have become risk / confrontation averse.

If we feel the Ang Moh is making 3x the the pay and having the same skills or less, then march up to your HR manager or your boss and demand the Ang Moh's job and ask for 2x your pay instead ! After you have proven yourself in the job, then ask for the full 3x of it. Have guts, have balls, but we do not need anymore quiet suffering. Just do something about it.

[Guest Knocked Dead]

We Easterners tend to depend on everybody knowing our own boundaries and being paiseh to overstep it. Do not be fooled, the Western, culture is based on the individual grabbing as much as he can until someone else opposes him and marks out the boundary. Forgive me if I over-generalise, but in my observation, this is the basic difference in the East Asian and Western attitudes to work relationships.

Regarding the difference in pay, Singaporeans have only ourselves to blame. If we take such conditions quitely and be just resigned to that fate, then we deserve it. The truth is, Singaporeans have become risk / confrontation averse.

If we feel the Ang Moh is making 3x the the pay and having the same skills or less, then march up to your HR manager or your boss and demand the Ang Moh's job and ask for 2x your pay instead ! After you have proven yourself in the job, then ask for the full 3x of it. Have guts, have balls, but we do not need anymore quiet suffering. Just do something about it.

Regarding the difference in pay, Singaporeans have only ourselves to blame.

Excuse me, Singaporeans have never been quiet about pay. Our Labour Union is mulfunctioned and more pro to the employer. Whenever Singaporeans grumbled about low pay, you have all the unions coming out to shut us up. Even LKY is mobilised to give his negative thoughts about Singaporeans asking for high pay and threatened with view that investors will run away. What fxxk was that you tell us.

[doncoin]

I recently had a conversation with a friend at the Singapore National Day celebration here in NYC. She had left NYC about 4 years ago after working here for almost 5 years in the real estate management industry due to personal reasons. She went back to Singapore and tried getting a job there for a while and here's what she shared with me.

In Singapore, despite the fact that she had worked for a very renown real estate management company here in the US and had amazing experience leading several major projects, back home, she is not viewed as a foreign talent, just because she is Singaporean. As a result, she left for a new job opportunity in Hong Kong at the first opportunity where she has been since, and fly home every other weekend to be with family.

This was an issue raised by a number of Singaporeans living here previously when they (Overseas Singapore Something) hosted a forum to get Singaporeans to move back home and work there. Many of the overseas Singaporeans felt that pay was challenge amongst many other things. I raised the gay flag as the reason why I didn't want to move back to Singapore amongst other professional reasons as well.

Being a foreign talent I think takes more than salary to define. It is the ability to thrive in the host country's environment and succeed. It is up to the individual to be driven, be passionate about what they do, and hopefully be compensated financially.

Hence, I always love this song- New York, New York, where it says "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere..."

To be successful as a talent, foreign or local, you need to deliver something that others don't that allows you to stand out. I.e. In my business, I see and meet creative people everyday, designers especially. To me, they all have met the basic criteria of good aesthetic sense. They have the degree or diploma to prove it. But what makes one more talented than the next, comes down to other things. The passion to succeed, to create something amazing, a particular skillset- i.e. bilingualism, and most of all work attitude.

Edited September 16, 2011 by chelseasian

[Foreign Talent]

Me work in a foreign bank here. Many many ang mohs, Most sadly, not that smart. Asked them why come here - no work back at home, so no choice had to leave country. Paid them more 15k a month, dunno how to do the work end up their local counterpart to cover some of their duties. Still not paiseh, always leave early go pubbing and clubbing, while the local stay late - paid only 4k a month. Haiz!!!

Why don't you go to your HR department and ask them to do something about it? Or speak to your boss about it? Are you content to suffer in silence and then come here to BW and complain to us? Like, what are we going to do about it? Can we help you in any way?

[Foreign Talent]

I recently had a conversation with a friend at the Singapore National Day celebration here in NYC. She had left NYC about 4 years ago after working here for almost 5 years in the real estate management industry due to personal reasons. She went back to Singapore and tried getting a job there for a while and here's what she shared with me.

In Singapore, despite the fact that she had worked for a very renown real estate management company here in the US and had amazing experience leading several major projects, back home, she is not viewed as a foreign talent, just because she is Singaporean. As a result, she left for a new job opportunity in Hong Kong at the first opportunity where she has been since, and fly home every other weekend to be with family.

Thank you! This is precisely why I can NEVER work for a Singaporean company. I may work in Singapore but I work for a European company and am the only Asian person in the company - and I know what some of you are going to say, "oh poor guy surely the angmors are going to racist towards the only Asian". Yes that sounds stupid but at least two people have already suggested that including one who used the phrase "harsh racism in the west" (hahaha and that came from a Singapore who has never worked abroad or with angmors).

At least with an angmor company, I am treated the same as other angmor workers - rather than be subjected to this "angmor is better than Asian" hierarchy in Singapore. I'm sure many of you have watched the Singaporean Film "小孩不笨" whereby the stubborn client Mr Khoo insisted on using the American expatriate's ideas for his marketing campaign despite the American being totally out of touch with local culture. It may look ridiculous in the film, but just reading BabaOompaYagaLoompa's post above, you realize - shit, it's not just fiction, it is still true today in 2011.

Like Chelseasian, I've lived in the West for so many years and for us it's like, what's the big fat hairy deal about angmors? Peng siong lah, as we say in Hokkien. Yet it is the mindset of Singaporeans that has allowed this situation to perpetuate till today - so what's the solution? Perhaps Chelseasin's lady friend has the answer - go work in Hong Kong and be welcomed there as foreign talent.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Foreign Talent

[suckling_pig]

Excuse me, Singaporeans have never been quiet about pay. Our Labour Union is mulfunctioned and more pro to the employer. Whenever Singaporeans grumbled about low pay, you have all the unions coming out to shut us up. Even LKY is mobilised to give his negative thoughts about Singaporeans asking for high pay and threatened with view that investors will run away. What fxxk was that you tell us.

That is exactly my point. If Singaporeans did less grumbling, and actually making their views known to their EMPLOYERS and GOVERNMENT, things would start to change.

This thing about LKY giving his thoughts lends credence to my point. LKY does not compare the Ang Moh pay with locals, he just says that locals are overpaid. It is the present governments aim to keep businesses operating viably in Singapore. They do this by ensuring that the locals are paid in a low enough quantum so that the businesses can make an attractive profit margin. The difference between the Ang Moh pay and the local pay does not enter their agenda. If Singaporeans really feel strongly about it, then they should make the Government see the dissatisfaction with the DIFFERENCE and not the QUANTUM.

"Stop grumbling at the coffeeshops, mobilise, campaign and write petitions, that might be more effective" - this is what I am saying.

[Foreign Talent]

That is exactly my point. If Singaporeans did less grumbling, and actually making their views known to their EMPLOYERS and GOVERNMENT, things would start to change.

This thing about LKY giving his thoughts lends credence to my point. LKY does not compare the Ang Moh pay with locals, he just says that locals are overpaid. It is the present governments aim to keep businesses operating viably in Singapore. They do this by ensuring that the locals are paid in a low enough quantum so that the businesses can make an attractive profit margin. The difference between the Ang Moh pay and the local pay does not enter their agenda. If Singaporeans really feel strongly about it, then they should make the Government see the dissatisfaction with the DIFFERENCE and not the QUANTUM.

"Stop grumbling at the coffeeshops, mobilise, campaign and write petitions, that might be more effective" - this is what I am saying.

Well said my friend, that's why I said to BabaOompaYagaLoompa - he should be raising the issue with his boss, not us. And like you suggested, he should also be raising the issue with the government. As much as we are happy to lend a friendly listening ear, what can we possibly do to help him resolve the injustice in his company?

Oh and may I add: "stop grumbling online anonymously" to your list!

Edited September 16, 2011 by Foreign Talent

[suckling_pig]

One more point for your comparison. It is not just salaries, it is the whole psychological framework we live in.

In Malaysia, advertising companies are not allowed to use fully Ang Mohs models in their advertisements. This is because their government is aware that using such models only cause the locals to aspire to be like Ang Mohs and place them on pedestals.

There are many things that we criticise about Malaysia, but this is certainly something we can learn from them.

In Singapore, we continue the colonial legacy that white man is somehow superior. Go and look at your newspaper. How many advertisements use Ang Mohs versus locals. Compare that with the proportion of population. Is there something amiss here? Is there enough awareness, or the will to do something about the disparity?

[Foreign Talent]

Oh man don't get me started about Singaporeans on their ridiculous sense of superiority over Malaysians. I went into another tirade earlier today on another thread when this guy called Isabelle Loh (CEO of the Mandai Zoo) a loser simply because - you guessed it, she is Malaysian who chose to work in Singapore instead of Malaysia. WTF? That woman is CEO of a world famous tourist attraction! Someone who is this successful will be able to achieve great things no matter where she works - Singapore, Malaysia, any other country.

And as for the use of angmohs on ads - oh have you been to China recently? It's even more ridiculous there. Firstly, there are even fewer angmohs in China and they insist on using English (instead of Chinese) in some of these ads - and guess what? It's often broken English. I despair man, at least the Chinese had a greater sense of their identity under Deng Xiaoping.

[qedcwc]

'Foreign Talent' is juz a term coined by the PAP, juz to 'beautify' the position.....

How does one define jobs like executives and accountants as 'talent', i dunno....

'Foreign employee' is oledi sufficient....

[suckling_pig]

And as for the use of angmohs on ads - oh have you been to China recently? It's even more ridiculous there. Firstly, there are even fewer angmohs in China and they insist on using English (instead of Chinese) in some of these ads - and guess what? It's often broken English. I despair man, at least the Chinese had a greater sense of their identity under Deng Xiaoping.

Tables may turn within our lifetime. If the USA continues to sell their future away to China with easy credit, China will overtake them much sooner than they realise. Then westerners may all go for cosmetic operations to make their eyes more slitty !!! And the stores will sell "yellowing" skin creams !!!

Recently I visited some friends in the US who complained to me about some Japanese tourists cut queue, rush at the buffet table etc. I thought this was strange and told them it was probably Chinese tourists. I could see their faces change and it must have really shocked them to realise that the Chinese can now afford to go to the US as tourists. Some other guys googled "Singapore" after I told them where I was from and they were literally shocked to find out Singapore's per capita GDP to be on par with theirs.

As someone who lives in Europe, do you perceive that the man in the street have a sense of threat from Asia?

[Foreign Talent]

As someone who lives in Europe, do you perceive that the man in the street have a sense of threat from Asia?

The short answer is no, not at all. If you were the CEO of a huge telecommunications company and you saw the rise of the Chinese giant Huawei expanding internationally, then yeah you would be worried about the rise of China. But if you're talking about the man on the street, even if they are aware of the rise of China, they don't expect anything to change locally for them, not in their lifetime anyway. Maybe they might send their kids to learn Chinese (a few of them are doing that) but apart from that, there's this "yeah, but not in my lifetime dear, I'll be six feet under before China dominates the world" mindset about the Chinese threat.

[alien]

Foreign talent or foreign worker got difference meh? I think anyone who is holding a work pass, whether it is work permit, S-pass or EP, whether they are earning $1K per mth or $10K per mth, all of them are FT to me. Even those who obtain PR easily just becos they have the paper or the position they working, also FT to me.

[doncoin]

I have friends who are sending their kids to Chinese school or hiring Chinese nannies to teach their kids. In the West, they are starting to realise the importance of learning a foreign language, particularly Chinese. Even Obama's 2 daughters are learning Chinese.

In the US, when you work for a major cooperation, there are many rules and laws in place to encourage diversity, sometimes, unfortunately at the expense of meritocracy. When I was working in a large corporation, we had to hire an assistant for my boss and myself. We eventually narrowed down to candidates, all Caucasian, 2 girls and 1 guy fresh out of college. We were discussing with HR the offering process, and was told that we need to be more diverse with our candidates selection. In the end, I had to kick one of the candidates out and swap that person with someone from a minority background just because of the diversity ruling. Apparently there is some quota or something we have to meet.

From what I heard, allegedly, the same rules apply to many prestigious ivy league colleges as well. While on one hand it is giving opportunities to a minority who otherwise may not have the opportunity, on the other hand, I do feel sometimes, it comes at the price of meritocracy.

Working in the West is an interesting cultural experience which I think like everything else, there are pros and cons to it. At the end of it, it is up to the individual to strive and motivate themselves to be a success, and be recognised as a talent, not just in Singapore.

[Guest Lol]

'Foreign Talent' is juz a term coined by the PAP, juz to 'beautify' the position..... How does one define jobs like executives and accountants as 'talent', i dunno.... 'Foreign employee' is oledi sufficient....

u are such a narrow minded guy,

as wad u said, it is just a term, then why u care so much ? and want to differentiate it into "talent" and "employee" ? nothing different wad, it is just a "term".

[Guest Junk]

Tis FT and FW thing is turning Singapore into a junk. only 30% of FT truely deserve to be here and are warmly welcome. The rest are making the place overcrowded and junky.

Dont believe employers and government saying cant find singaporeans to fill the job. Except a few jobs like maids, nurse, construction, service, etc, there are singaporeans waiting in-line to work. Employers are very very selfish, either to pay less, to get younger workers, to avoid disturbance from pregnancy and in-camp training, dont want long term commitment or to avoid some training and employee benefits for locals. Government want more tax and more people in Singapore to fulfill economic goals that dont benefit majority, only to benefit themselves and elites. Of course the government likes FT that support the government policy and thats why we have FT that top the management of government related corporations but are in fact very incapable. See with your heart lol.

[Foreign Talent]

Dont believe employers and government saying cant find singaporeans to fill the job. Except a few jobs like maids, nurse, construction, service, etc, there are singaporeans waiting in-line to work. Employers are very very selfish, either to pay less, to get younger workers, to avoid disturbance from pregnancy and in-camp training, dont want long term commitment or to avoid some training and employee benefits for locals. Government want more tax and more people in Singapore to fulfill economic goals that dont benefit majority, only to benefit themselves and elites. Of course the government likes FT that support the government policy and thats why we have FT that top the management of government related corporations but are in fact very incapable. See with your heart lol.

Hi, allow me to respond to the point you made above - especially the bit about employers choosing foreigners over Singaporeans. Have raised several very good points which I agree with. The "paying less" part may apply to a situation when they substitute a Singaporean worker for a worker from China or India - but there is the other end of the expatriate community (say in financial services) where companies are paying two or three times more to get an angmor. Now that's the bit which is perplexing to say the least.

I also remember my JC days - now I am talking about the 1990s here, so please bear with me if the info refers to the 90s rather than the current situation. In the arts faculty, you had a mix of local teachers and angmor teachers - the angmor teachers were employed by the MOE specifically to prepare humanities scholars for university abroad (on scholarship, preferably), but essentially they are preparing the students for the same A level exams. And the MOE pays the expat teachers approx 2.5 times the pay of a local teacher - when I could say that some of the expatriate teachers were awful. Oh one in particular was shockingly bad - but hey, the MOE still paid him 2.5 times a local teacher because he is angmor, rather than judging him on the merits of his teaching methods (or results of his students at the A level exams) - go figure.

But you did touch on a vital point - if companies employ a local Singaporean, a male Singaporean man will have reservist obligations, a female Singaporean could get married and have kids. Now my company has one post for Singapore for now, can you imagine if our only person on the ground gets called up for reservist or is forced to take time off for a pregnancy? That is why they'd rather fly me in from London a few weeks at a time, put me up in a nice hotel/serviced apartment than to use a local Singaporean - but our long term plan is to get a local Singaporean to work for us on the ground, and we joked that we have to find a Singaporean lesbian who doesn't want kids so there is no threat of pregnancies nor NS reservists. It's not that as a company, we don't want to use Singaporeans, but we need to look after ourselves as a company first and protect our profits. We are investing a lot of money as a company to expand into Asia and we need to see a return on that investment sooner, rather than later.

So when you say employers are selfish - is that a fair accusation? We're not some bottomless pit of money, we're a company trying to make a profit. Say if we invest 1 million dollars into expanding into Singapore, we need to see more than 1 million dollars in revenue to at least break even before we even make a single dollar in profit. And if we keep making losses, then we will go bust, it's that simple. We need to make a profit. Did you think that private companies like my employers are some kind of NGO to help unemployed Singaporeans get back to work or help improve the Singaporean economy? No, we're not charities, we're profit-driven private enterprises participating in the Singaporean economy, all trying to make some money. If you want help in this aspect, then please turn to your government to enforce more stringent rules about the use of foreign workers/talent and help level the playing field for Singaporean males (reservist obligations, CPF contributions etc) - and that lies squarely with the government of Singapore, especially the ministry of manpower.

So please, I appeal to you to stop accusing employers as being 'very very selfish' - they are simply trying to make a profit and stay afloat during difficult economic circumstances, they are not charities who are obliged to give jobs to Singaporeans. There is a place for charities and government aided help to get the unemployed back to work - for example, we've all seen the ads for Workfare on the MRTs http://www.workfare.sg/ Now that's a great scheme and needs to be expanded to help more Singaporeans. We need more schemes like that to give local Singaporeans more help so as to level the playing field.

[suckling_pig]

I bring this up because to me it is a root cause of why FT even features. FT was coined by the government because they believed that Singapore needed to grow to 6.5 million. Where they get this critical mass figure, I don't know. But their basic thinking is:

1. In order to prosper, we need to be a global city (Make the pie bigger)
   
2. Therefore we need to increase population size
   
3. To increase population size, you not only need people in the lower paying jobs, but also higher paying jobs.
   
4. For the lower paying jobs, no problem, Singaporeans are already used to them as maids, labourers etc. But in order for the population to accept immigrants that they may potentially view as competing with them for jobs and resources, the coin the term "Foreign Talent". This is to convey the idea that these people are somehow needed for our growth.
   
5. But do we all agree that the pie needs to be grown at all? Must ape the size of HK in order to compete with HK? Can we not go our own way rather than copy someone else and always be first at being second?
   

Now that there is so much dissatisfaction, Singaporeans must revisit the fundamental question.

• Will they be happy with a bigger slice of a smaller pie?
  
• Or do they want a smaller slice of a bigger pie?
  

My personal opinion is that I would go for the former. I would rather have less satistical GDP, but less immigration, especially from the FT sector. In the end the bigger pie benefits mostly the glowing statistics of our government planners. But it does not necessarily mean a better life for Singaporeans. This is why I eagerly anticipate a change in the political climate where a diversity of views is truly debated and decided on by the population. Rather than a handful of government bureaucrats making these decisions for us, then telling us it is for our own good.

The time is near, I am patient.