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[Guest Hiccup]

13 hours ago, fab said:

Your all know the SG guy may post here too right?

It’s ok if Disclaimer “No pun is intended” is added? 

16 hours ago, fab said:

1 is btm, the other 1 is more btm.

 

No pun intended. 

 

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, fab said:

I just realise he's this guy. 

 

https://mustsharenews.com/rejected-sg-model-armani/

 

It is very probable that the two are actors of more or less success,  and this romance is pure acting  

 

I got tired of seeing the first video which is pure blah-blah in a foreign language.  So I looked for another one:

 

 

 

In the first scenes I wondered if the bed they are lying is wide enough to accommodate me in the middle of the two guys.  I am slim and firm,  so they should not have a problem to make room for me.  But thinking  that they may be just actors,  I would not mind taking each of them individually.  Also, I have just one cock.

 

Chicken breast for breakfast ??  That looks more like lunch.  But it looks appetizing,  yam yam...

 

About the "hair stylist",  I just died my hair the other day with "just for men, with some gray, 5 minutes" all by myself in front of a mirror with a mirror behind, and it was much less complicated and fast. 

 

These two act very good.  They are both Asian but I find them so different,  the Taiwanese with round face and light skin and the Singaporean a little darker with elongated face.  But both seem to understand themselves well in their foreign language...

[fab]

3 hours ago, Guest Hiccup said:

It’s ok if Disclaimer “No pun is intended” is added? 

 

 

if you wanna be a moderator, join as a member.

:P 

[phewphew]

7 hours ago, Gayleo said:

 

Lol here only got uncles la. Young SG gays where got come see blowing wind

Cries in young

 

[Steve5380]

On 6/23/2020 at 1:20 PM, Gayleo said:

 

Lol here only got uncles la. Young SG gays where got come see blowing wind

 

Bah!  The two "coming out" are already over half way towards unklehood. 

[GachiMuchi]

Queer And Over 55: Older LGBTQ+ Singaporeans On Coming Out, Finding Love, and Making Their Lives Here

 

A year ago, while conducting interviews for a series on LGBTQ+ Singaporeans, a question kept churning in my mind: where are all the older people?

Ageism exists across society, and is in no way limited to the LGBTQ+ community. But combined, the two produce a startling vacuum. Older LGTQ+ people are a minority within a minority, which is to say they are practically invisible. Even most of my LGBTQ+ friends, when asked to help me find leads I could interview, couldn’t come up with a single name they knew personally.

Older people’s stories generally don’t get a lot of screen time, but the ones that do are more or less exclusively heterosexual. Representations of contemporary queer life, from films like Blue Is The Warmest Colour to TV shows like Orange Is The New Black and Queer Eye, largely show people in their 20s and 30s. And the Internet, which has been instrumental in increasing LGBTQ+ visibility, with many brave coming-out stories and personal essays about LGBTQ+ lived experiences, is unquestionably the domain of the young.

But clearly, not all queer people are young, and not all queer stories are, either. We spoke with three LGBTQ+ Singaporeans in their mid-50s and above, who graciously shared theirs with us.

Ivan Heng, founding artistic director of the WILD RICE theatre company, and his husband, Tony Trickett, the company’s executive director. The couple were married in the UK in 2014. Image credit: Ivan Heng’s Facebook/WILD RICE

Jeremy*, a cisgender gay man in his early 60s

I guess you could say my very first exposure to queer culture was when I went to the Philippines in 1981. You know how Singapore is, it’s not touchy-feely, we don’t hug, no way two men would be hugging or kissing each other. 

I was 21 at the time, and when I got there I was like, is everyone gay here? To see men holding hands, hugging … it wasn’t that they were gay, their culture is just so warm and physically affectionate, but it seemed that way to me. I found the lack of labels so liberating, to see how they were so intimate and yet it was a non-issue.

Growing up, there were no examples of gay relationships at all. At the time, ‘gay’ just wasn’t in our vocabulary, it didn’t exist back then like it does now. When I was young, it used to mean happy, bright, bonny, good.

I grew up poor, in a traditional Peranakan household, and culturally I was in a desert. A lot of my education came from a dear friend of mine, my mentor in life, and in gay life in particular. 

We used to watch videos at his house, and one of the ones which left an impression on me was Making Love (1982). It’s about a couple where the husband falls for another man and embarks on an affair. What really struck me was that the wife found out in the end, and they had a huge fight and she slapped him across the face—she goes, “I can fight with another woman, but how could I fight with a man? How could I compare?” 

[The film ends happily], but watching this scene, I was like, oh god. Is this how it is? Most films about gay people are terribly depressing. It never ends well.

As a gay boy back then—and even now, I think—when you’re young, a lot of it is about sex and getting off. When you don’t have mentors to look up to, or examples of healthy, mature, gay relationships, you just think it’s all based on sex and will never last. I’m not sure this has changed much now, although hopefully it’s a bit better. Still, examples of gay men in solid relationships are so invisible. 

Acceptance can only come when there’s deep and abiding love. Everyone just wants to be treated with respect and love, and that only comes with honesty. If you’re not honest with yourself, there’s no relationship which can be sustained.

I’m not out to my family, but only because they’ve not asked the question. Otherwise, it’s an open secret. My siblings have met my partners over the years, and I guess they just accepted it. My mum has passed on, but when she was alive she knew all my boyfriends’ names … she would go, oh, so-and-so isn’t staying with you any more? Are you not friends any more? I think they’re just waiting for me to come out to them, and I’m waiting for them to ask.

Right now, I have everything I need. I’m in a happy relationship, I have my own flat, my dogs, and I don’t want children. The one thing I would want to change is end-of-life rights. Otherwise, my sexuality is right at the bottom of my interactions with people. It doesn’t present any issues now.

My partner loves Pink Dot. He’s much younger than me, and he goes every year. I go because he loves it so much, but I’ve been through all that, and I don’t need that kind of affirmation or public platform of support at my age. 

But I’ve been very blessed, with the friends and family I have, and working in arts and entertainment all my life. The scene is so much more exposed and accepting. If I hadn’t, I shudder to think of what my life might have been like.

Not all stories are happy ones. This message was received by the Pink Dot organising team in 2019. Translated, it reads: “My family is conservative, and my religion sees me as a sinner. On the surface I am happy, but for many decades I have been living in darkness, in an oppressed environment. I have never really dated in the community. I am now 50, and I don’t think there is any more hope, and I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel any more. But I still want to wish the best for all the lucky ones at Pink Dot.”

Linus*,  a cisgender gay man in his early 60s

I guess we all had inklings…you know, the dance of hormones, feelings you have as a teenager. So I went to the library in school and looked it up. 

We had a great library. Lots of texts on sociology and bio, and there was a book called ‘Everything You Want To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask’ (I think one of the very young teachers was heading up the library at the time). Once I identified what I was, internally, it was easy. I didn’t struggle with it, unlike some friends and classmates I knew.

It was never an issue with my siblings. But my dad didn’t know—he passed away when I was in my 30s—and my mum doesn’t know. I don’t think she even knows what being gay is, and it wouldn’t be possible to explain to her now because she has dementia.

I never thought of telling her when I was younger. My parents are so steeped in the older concept of what being gay is, she’d probably just assume that it’s someone who cross-dresses and wants to put on women’s clothes. It was never something I thought of attempting.

When I got older, there were chats on the Internet, stuff that I guess would be the equivalent of Grindr or Tinder nowadays. There were saunas, where men went to have sex with other men. And there were bars and clubs like Inner Circle, Taboo, that you went to … but most of them don’t exist anymore. In any case, the club scene is very much geared towards young people. As you get older, it stops being so enticing. You look like a sad fish out of water.

I think we were only conscious of the AIDS crisis because so much was happening in America. We read about it in the papers and in books, but I think we in Asia tended to think of HIV as a ‘Western’ disease. It was scary, but by the time we realised this was happening to us, there were already medical discoveries and organisations like Action for Aids (AFA), so there was greater awareness, and anyone sensible knew to take precautions.

Still, I have some friends, some close ones, who’ve had it, or died from it. Sometimes you hear stories about someone succumbing to pneumonia, and they’re not that old, maybe in their 40s. And you think: could it have been HIV-related?

It would be a nice victory if 377A was repealed, but I’m not holding my breath. The government will always say that the moral majority is conservative and not open to LGBTQ+ people. Personally, I don’t think there’s an ideal society; my friends and I never thought of going out there and demanding for solutions, because that’s not going to happen.

In my opinion, what one should do is try and look for a way around things, find a personal solution, or you’ll just be hitting your head against the wall. I happen to know one of the couples who challenged 377A, and they told me that after two or three years of slugging it out in court, they looked at each other and asked if it was really worth it, because they ended up exactly where they started. Looking to the authorities for a solution is a tough sell.

But I’m hopeful that things will change gradually. When I talk to generations that came after me, young couples in their 20s and 30s, everyone’s so comfortable with it; everyone’s got a token LGBTQ+ friend they’re so fond of. I’m optimistic that way.

Edie Windsor (R) and her wife, Thea Spyer. Edie was the lead plaintiff in United States v Windsor, a seminal 2013 US case which granted same-sex married couples federal recognition for the first time.

Cathy*, a cisgender lesbian woman in her 50s

Work was lonely. I worked in the corporate world in my 20s and early 30s, and I never saw another gay person. You couldn’t talk about it. Stuff like what you did over the weekend, water-cooler chat … you can’t go into it, and I guess that’s why I always felt like a bit of an outsider. It was never hostile, but you just felt different, and conscious of having to hide in a way which other people didn’t.

I began working in the charity sector and becoming involved in civil society in my 30s, and that was what changed things for me. Before that, for a long time, my plan was to migrate.

When I was younger, I would imagine myself on a farm, enjoying the outdoors and seasons …  idealistic things like that. It was only after I got involved in civil society that I began to feel like I was making a difference, and everything changed; it was how I met my partner, too. But I honestly think I would’ve left if I hadn’t found that. 

Civil society was an interesting place in the early ‘90s. The organisation I joined was a very accepting space. You felt comfortable bringing people and they would treat your partner as a friend, but no one asked about it, or spoke about it the way it is now, even there. You felt the acceptance, but you never introduced anyone as your partner. I didn’t do that until very late in life.

Right now, I think it’s just a matter of time. I’ve bet with my friends that in 10 years’ time, we’ll be living in a very different society, and 377A will be history. I work with a lot of young people, and it gives me a lot of hope. We’re on the right side of time, and we’re moving towards acceptance. I don’t see how Singapore can keep still.

Still, I’ve been incredibly lucky. Being a lesbian has been tough at points—perhaps not as much as for other people—but I think it compelled me to find my own way in the world, to make sense of my own life, because the tried-and-tested route just wasn’t available to me at all. Having kids, getting married … that’s never been on the cards. Even moving out, which I did at 22, was so radical at the time. 

The other thing is the support of my family. My sisters and I are all gay, and we came out to our parents when we were in our early 20s. It was a journey they had to go through, and there were some very difficult years, but that was one of the privileges I’ve had: parents who really, really love me.

Their friends still aren’t comfortable with it, and I guess that’s the difficulty with society as a whole not moving, even if [my parents] have as individuals. They had to give up some of their friendships, or not see their friends so often, because the comparisons their friends were making or asking about our lives … they just didn’t know how to deal with that, and it was very painful for them. They had to have smaller worlds so that we didn’t have to be in the closet.

But a few weeks ago, around Mother’s Day, I had a Zoom call with my mum, and she said, this was my best decision. I was like, what was? 

And she said, accepting all of you. That was the best decision I ever made in my life. It was the first time she’d said that.

 

 

 

 

 

[GachiMuchi]

 

[FattChoy]

On 7/21/2020 at 11:51 AM, GachiMuchi said:

Queer And Over 55: Older LGBTQ+ Singaporeans On Coming Out, Finding Love, and Making Their Lives Here

 

A year ago, while conducting interviews for a series on LGBTQ+ Singaporeans, a question kept churning in my mind: where are all the older people?

Ageism exists across society, and is in no way limited to the LGBTQ+ community. But combined, the two produce a startling vacuum. Older LGTQ+ people are a minority within a minority, which is to say they are practically invisible. Even most of my LGBTQ+ friends, when asked to help me find leads I could interview, couldn’t come up with a single name they knew personally.

Older people’s stories generally don’t get a lot of screen time, but the ones that do are more or less exclusively heterosexual. Representations of contemporary queer life, from films like Blue Is The Warmest Colour to TV shows like Orange Is The New Black and Queer Eye, largely show people in their 20s and 30s. And the Internet, which has been instrumental in increasing LGBTQ+ visibility, with many brave coming-out stories and personal essays about LGBTQ+ lived experiences, is unquestionably the domain of the young.

But clearly, not all queer people are young, and not all queer stories are, either. We spoke with three LGBTQ+ Singaporeans in their mid-50s and above, who graciously shared theirs with us.

Ivan Heng, founding artistic director of the WILD RICE theatre company, and his husband, Tony Trickett, the company’s executive director. The couple were married in the UK in 2014. Image credit: Ivan Heng’s Facebook/WILD RICE

Jeremy*, a cisgender gay man in his early 60s

I guess you could say my very first exposure to queer culture was when I went to the Philippines in 1981. You know how Singapore is, it’s not touchy-feely, we don’t hug, no way two men would be hugging or kissing each other. 

I was 21 at the time, and when I got there I was like, is everyone gay here? To see men holding hands, hugging … it wasn’t that they were gay, their culture is just so warm and physically affectionate, but it seemed that way to me. I found the lack of labels so liberating, to see how they were so intimate and yet it was a non-issue.

Growing up, there were no examples of gay relationships at all. At the time, ‘gay’ just wasn’t in our vocabulary, it didn’t exist back then like it does now. When I was young, it used to mean happy, bright, bonny, good.

I grew up poor, in a traditional Peranakan household, and culturally I was in a desert. A lot of my education came from a dear friend of mine, my mentor in life, and in gay life in particular. 

We used to watch videos at his house, and one of the ones which left an impression on me was Making Love (1982). It’s about a couple where the husband falls for another man and embarks on an affair. What really struck me was that the wife found out in the end, and they had a huge fight and she slapped him across the face—she goes, “I can fight with another woman, but how could I fight with a man? How could I compare?” 

[The film ends happily], but watching this scene, I was like, oh god. Is this how it is? Most films about gay people are terribly depressing. It never ends well.

As a gay boy back then—and even now, I think—when you’re young, a lot of it is about sex and getting off. When you don’t have mentors to look up to, or examples of healthy, mature, gay relationships, you just think it’s all based on sex and will never last. I’m not sure this has changed much now, although hopefully it’s a bit better. Still, examples of gay men in solid relationships are so invisible. 

Acceptance can only come when there’s deep and abiding love. Everyone just wants to be treated with respect and love, and that only comes with honesty. If you’re not honest with yourself, there’s no relationship which can be sustained.

I’m not out to my family, but only because they’ve not asked the question. Otherwise, it’s an open secret. My siblings have met my partners over the years, and I guess they just accepted it. My mum has passed on, but when she was alive she knew all my boyfriends’ names … she would go, oh, so-and-so isn’t staying with you any more? Are you not friends any more? I think they’re just waiting for me to come out to them, and I’m waiting for them to ask.

Right now, I have everything I need. I’m in a happy relationship, I have my own flat, my dogs, and I don’t want children. The one thing I would want to change is end-of-life rights. Otherwise, my sexuality is right at the bottom of my interactions with people. It doesn’t present any issues now.

My partner loves Pink Dot. He’s much younger than me, and he goes every year. I go because he loves it so much, but I’ve been through all that, and I don’t need that kind of affirmation or public platform of support at my age. 

But I’ve been very blessed, with the friends and family I have, and working in arts and entertainment all my life. The scene is so much more exposed and accepting. If I hadn’t, I shudder to think of what my life might have been like.

Not all stories are happy ones. This message was received by the Pink Dot organising team in 2019. Translated, it reads: “My family is conservative, and my religion sees me as a sinner. On the surface I am happy, but for many decades I have been living in darkness, in an oppressed environment. I have never really dated in the community. I am now 50, and I don’t think there is any more hope, and I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel any more. But I still want to wish the best for all the lucky ones at Pink Dot.”

Linus*,  a cisgender gay man in his early 60s

I guess we all had inklings…you know, the dance of hormones, feelings you have as a teenager. So I went to the library in school and looked it up. 

We had a great library. Lots of texts on sociology and bio, and there was a book called ‘Everything You Want To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask’ (I think one of the very young teachers was heading up the library at the time). Once I identified what I was, internally, it was easy. I didn’t struggle with it, unlike some friends and classmates I knew.

It was never an issue with my siblings. But my dad didn’t know—he passed away when I was in my 30s—and my mum doesn’t know. I don’t think she even knows what being gay is, and it wouldn’t be possible to explain to her now because she has dementia.

I never thought of telling her when I was younger. My parents are so steeped in the older concept of what being gay is, she’d probably just assume that it’s someone who cross-dresses and wants to put on women’s clothes. It was never something I thought of attempting.

When I got older, there were chats on the Internet, stuff that I guess would be the equivalent of Grindr or Tinder nowadays. There were saunas, where men went to have sex with other men. And there were bars and clubs like Inner Circle, Taboo, that you went to … but most of them don’t exist anymore. In any case, the club scene is very much geared towards young people. As you get older, it stops being so enticing. You look like a sad fish out of water.

I think we were only conscious of the AIDS crisis because so much was happening in America. We read about it in the papers and in books, but I think we in Asia tended to think of HIV as a ‘Western’ disease. It was scary, but by the time we realised this was happening to us, there were already medical discoveries and organisations like Action for Aids (AFA), so there was greater awareness, and anyone sensible knew to take precautions.

Still, I have some friends, some close ones, who’ve had it, or died from it. Sometimes you hear stories about someone succumbing to pneumonia, and they’re not that old, maybe in their 40s. And you think: could it have been HIV-related?

It would be a nice victory if 377A was repealed, but I’m not holding my breath. The government will always say that the moral majority is conservative and not open to LGBTQ+ people. Personally, I don’t think there’s an ideal society; my friends and I never thought of going out there and demanding for solutions, because that’s not going to happen.

In my opinion, what one should do is try and look for a way around things, find a personal solution, or you’ll just be hitting your head against the wall. I happen to know one of the couples who challenged 377A, and they told me that after two or three years of slugging it out in court, they looked at each other and asked if it was really worth it, because they ended up exactly where they started. Looking to the authorities for a solution is a tough sell.

But I’m hopeful that things will change gradually. When I talk to generations that came after me, young couples in their 20s and 30s, everyone’s so comfortable with it; everyone’s got a token LGBTQ+ friend they’re so fond of. I’m optimistic that way.

Edie Windsor (R) and her wife, Thea Spyer. Edie was the lead plaintiff in United States v Windsor, a seminal 2013 US case which granted same-sex married couples federal recognition for the first time.

Cathy*, a cisgender lesbian woman in her 50s

Work was lonely. I worked in the corporate world in my 20s and early 30s, and I never saw another gay person. You couldn’t talk about it. Stuff like what you did over the weekend, water-cooler chat … you can’t go into it, and I guess that’s why I always felt like a bit of an outsider. It was never hostile, but you just felt different, and conscious of having to hide in a way which other people didn’t.

I began working in the charity sector and becoming involved in civil society in my 30s, and that was what changed things for me. Before that, for a long time, my plan was to migrate.

When I was younger, I would imagine myself on a farm, enjoying the outdoors and seasons …  idealistic things like that. It was only after I got involved in civil society that I began to feel like I was making a difference, and everything changed; it was how I met my partner, too. But I honestly think I would’ve left if I hadn’t found that. 

Civil society was an interesting place in the early ‘90s. The organisation I joined was a very accepting space. You felt comfortable bringing people and they would treat your partner as a friend, but no one asked about it, or spoke about it the way it is now, even there. You felt the acceptance, but you never introduced anyone as your partner. I didn’t do that until very late in life.

Right now, I think it’s just a matter of time. I’ve bet with my friends that in 10 years’ time, we’ll be living in a very different society, and 377A will be history. I work with a lot of young people, and it gives me a lot of hope. We’re on the right side of time, and we’re moving towards acceptance. I don’t see how Singapore can keep still.

Still, I’ve been incredibly lucky. Being a lesbian has been tough at points—perhaps not as much as for other people—but I think it compelled me to find my own way in the world, to make sense of my own life, because the tried-and-tested route just wasn’t available to me at all. Having kids, getting married … that’s never been on the cards. Even moving out, which I did at 22, was so radical at the time. 

The other thing is the support of my family. My sisters and I are all gay, and we came out to our parents when we were in our early 20s. It was a journey they had to go through, and there were some very difficult years, but that was one of the privileges I’ve had: parents who really, really love me.

Their friends still aren’t comfortable with it, and I guess that’s the difficulty with society as a whole not moving, even if [my parents] have as individuals. They had to give up some of their friendships, or not see their friends so often, because the comparisons their friends were making or asking about our lives … they just didn’t know how to deal with that, and it was very painful for them. They had to have smaller worlds so that we didn’t have to be in the closet.

But a few weeks ago, around Mother’s Day, I had a Zoom call with my mum, and she said, this was my best decision. I was like, what was? 

And she said, accepting all of you. That was the best decision I ever made in my life. It was the first time she’d said that.

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is G and L are very different.  I find it very wrong to group them together in the same demographic. 

 

It's like 'Asians'.  Chinese and Indian are very different. Even within the term Chinese and Indian themselves you'd find that they're not homogeneous.  North Indian and South are very different, and the same can be said about Northern and southern Chinese.

 

Anyway, back to the topic.  It's about gay; there's no need to include lesbian stories.

[Steve5380]

I find that the genie is already out of the bottle.

 

Governments may come and go, change from liberal to conservative, to progressive, etc.  But there is already in the society's mind the image of LGBTQs as normal people who are not evil sinners.  In places where same-sex marriage is accepted there have not been cases of public rebellion against it.  It is "live and let live".  

 

The US and Europe are leading the way towards LGBTQ's equality,  and it is hard to imagine this being reversed.  Even in a US under Trump it hasn't come to that,  and it looks like we will recover a decent government in short time.  Singapore is such a small player in the world, but since it depends on the approval of the big players, it also sooner or later will have to join in the LGBTQ equality.   Another positive factor is that churches with their homophobic doctrines are losing appeal, and if the growth of society continues, their traditions may continue losing credibility. 

 

About the topic, it is not unreasonable to have an optimistic view that coming out will not be necessary in the future.  Because LGBTQs will not need to be closeted.  

[Guest Daniel]

I’m curious to know how many of you have come out to your family? And what’s your story? I’ve been contemplating to come out but haven’t done so yet. But the fact that my mom has been started nagging me to get married, I think it’s about time to tell her that I have bf. She will freak out not only because I’m gay but also by the fact that he is 20 years senior. On top of that he is a foreigner. She’s been telling me not to marry a foreigner because it’s already difficult for her to communicate with my brother’s foreigner wife who doesn’t speak her language. She’ll be heartbroken..but something I must do 

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Daniel said:

I’m curious to know how many of you have come out to your family? And what’s your story? I’ve been contemplating to come out but haven’t done so yet. But the fact that my mom has been started nagging me to get married, I think it’s about time to tell her that I have bf. She will freak out not only because I’m gay but also by the fact that he is 20 years senior. On top of that he is a foreigner. She’s been telling me not to marry a foreigner because it’s already difficult for her to communicate with my brother’s foreigner wife who doesn’t speak her language. She’ll be heartbroken..but something I must do 

 

Maybe you find a diplomatic, kind way to tell your mom that she is not to dictate whom her children marry,  especially making this dependent on HER convenience.  If she does not speak the language of your brother's wife then...  she can learn it,  or have your brother translate for her. 

 

She freaks out?  She may already have in her mind the idea that her children should hold her as the central figure in their lives and all adore her and do what she wants them to do.  She NEEDS TO WAKE UP from such arrogant dream,  and the sooner the better,  because the older  she is the harder to recognize her fault and change.  And when this happens, there is no reason for her to be HEARTBROKEN.  She should feel this only if you or any other of her children dies.  Instead, she should reconsider and feel HAPPY that you have a bf in a loving relationship.

 

[btmslut]

Had 3 incidents in my life. 

 

1) In the days before everybody had a mobile phone, around 1995, 1996 if i recall. One of the guys I picked up fro IRC (god that brings back so much memories) would not stop calling. He was a top but he was quite a femme voice guy. My brother asked "why you have ah kua calling you so many times. You gay is it? Ask him to stop"

 

2) I was living wiht my parents still. Came home from work and found all my gay porn vcds neatly stacked up on my bed, right next to the pillow.

 

3)My father going on a rant about how gays are disgusting and how he hates them, after seeing someone talk with a very femme voice on tv. My mum went up to me later and apologised to me on my dad's behalf, as if she knew.

 

So no i never came out but i guess they all knew.

[GachiMuchi]

 

[Steve5380]

The players in the US  National Football League are among the toughest guys around.

 

One of them is also emotionally tough and revealed his homosexuality.  And he is not just pure words, but he took the occasion to donate 100,000 dollars to an organization that supports LGBTQ youth with problems all the way to being suicidal. 

 

It is also estimated that the strong support Carl Nassib received after coming out was possible thanks to the increased awareness of the wrongs of homophobia.   So all the sanctimonious conspiracy theorists upset by their perceived "evil gay agenda" are shown as pitiful losers among the advances of a progressive society.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Steve5380

[Guest Meanly Preacher]

More information on NFL player Carl Nassib coming out of the closet. He obviously made his declaration with the full knowledge and support of the Las Vegas Raiders since he signed a $25 million contract extension last year. The upcoming season, which starts in September, will be his sixth in the NFL if I remember correctly, and now we will see if he can handle the pressure of being a trailblazing openly gay professional athlete. I also hope his advocacy for LGTTQ youth can help prevent unnecessary suffering and suicides.

 

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The reaction to Carl Nassib coming out has been quite different from Michael Sam coming out before the 2014 NFL Draft, in an alleged bid to seize control of the narrative from people who were threatening to out him, and ruin his pro career before it even got started. Michael Sam never made it in the NFL, and also bombed out of the CFL, so I also wonder how much him being a large black guy who kissed his white boyfriend on TV after getting drafted further exacerbating his stress, but anyway, good luck to Carl Nassib.

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[Steve5380]

CELEBRITIES coming out deserve our thanks.  

 

Here's A Look Back At 23 Celebrity Coming-Out Stories That Moved Us In 2021

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-celebrity-coming-out-stories-2021_n_61c55969e4b0d637ae8c01d0

[G_M]

 

[Guest Closeted]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:43 AM, G_M said:

 

It’s blessed to have such an open minded parent.
Too bad we in Singapore are way behind Taiwan in this context.