Must Gays Support Gays Because We Are Gays? >><< Should gays support 377A?

[gstc82]

i've received an email from a member( which i did not asked for) which is disturbing. this member assumed i am together with the 'str8 PAP supporters' population'. this member continue to attack on my 'political beliefs' and went on to say Gays must support Gays and not 'destroy support'. the cont to mentioned why 'people here do not support me' and so on. several questions:

1-since when did BW became a political website?

2-must Gays support Gays no matter what reason, if so aint it many steps backwards?

3-cant gays support any political party we wish?

4-must Gays support the 'Opposition'?

5-is it alright for a Gay to attack another due to his political beliefs?

what are your thoughts?

[Lungker]

My thoughts are STAY AWAY FROM DISCUSSING ABOUT LOCAL POLITICS ESPECIALLY THE PAP!

Read our guidelines, dammit.

Sorry for emoting.

And TS, why not display in full what the member wrote? You don't have to tell us who it is.

And WTF, I thought the erection is over. Why still talk about politics? I think talking cock or rather talking about cock is better.

[gz69]

When I talk politics, I am not Straight, Gay or Bi. We need not flaunt our sexual orientation. What purpose does that serve?

In Spore, we must cherish the government's tacit tolerance of PLU life style and not create any waves.

[Guest Guest]

if gays are to support gays... then how can we ever be termed rainbow? tsk tsk tsk.... we would all be boring one single tone...

so the answer is NO NO NO NO NO... believe whatever beliefs you have. be special as an individual with your own mind. don't become a mindless clone. the one who asked you to support gays just becos you are gay are probably someone who do not have a mind of his own... support your own believes because you believe in it. not because of some nonsensical suggestion like gays must support gays...

you are special. i am special. we are all special in our own rights!

:-)

be happy gstc82. i know u are. just need to be confident too.

and not be troubled by such mindless, senseless emails.

and yes, just as lungker says, let's not talk about politics...

[Guest Guest]

When I talk politics, I am not Straight, Gay or Bi. We need not flaunt our sexual orientation. What purpose does that serve? In Spore, we must cherish the government's tacit tolerance of PLU life style and not create any waves.

if there is a "like" button for this post, i'd have clicked it.

:-)

[gstc82]

my point in sharing this is not 'about me or how i feel'. being a GAY man in sg, i think we of all must be more tolerant of everyone. we shd agree to disagree. i dun care if my best friends are supporters of any political party. I do respected that sender's views and political believes but he shd also respect the views of others, we gays are not robots and we shd have our own minds and thoughts. and like what Lungker says, i rather talk about COCK than politics anytime.

Edited October 19, 2011 by gstc82

[Guest guest]

i am the person who sent him the email. i am posting our conversations here for you guys to read and make your own conclusions.

BTW, i DID NOT initiate conversations with him. he texted me first.

from gstc82

[i do accept jaded's stand on this issue. he shd accept mine. shd the original person who post this be 100% accurate? no one want to be caught with some unexpected issues. come clean and let people decide if they do or do not want to support. that is my stand. i do not like people calling me to 'open my mind'. i have come to far in my life and overcome too much to let someone tell me that and to have an open mind is to accept that other people will have different views. people shd agree to disagree.]

from trevorcantona

[i can understand how u want to know all the facts in the "case" before taking a stand. The crux of the problem here is that u see sucking dicks and having sex in public as a criminal offence and embarrassment. This is something the society has imposed on us, and I would say a certain % of the aj population (like me and jaded perhaps) can't be bothered bout it seriously! We are not doing it in public not cos it is morally wrong or watever shit! We are not doing it cos it is against the bloody law and we cant afford to be put in jail and most probably lose our livelihood!

I also think the majority of the aj population can't be bothered with wat the str8 people think of us, cos they are jus so damn ignorant already (except for those who have already accepted us), we dun really care if tan is the poster boy or not.

In any case, most of the aj readers are pissed at u cos u are saying what a lot of str8 singaporeans will say but seriously, we dun expect that from an aj! Not tt u can't have ur own opinion, jus tat it is like a betrayal, jus like how if u are an aj and u dun support tan jee say, u must have like fxxking hated urself a lot!

Of cos everyone has their own opinions and I have also personally gone through a lot. That is why I say at the end of the day, all Ajs need to unite and come to a common consensus!]

continued...

gstc82

[frankly, its not a popularity contest, where who is on my side and who is not. like you said as well, the full facts were not presented. sucking dick in a high traffic area is really an embarrassment to be caught. city link is assessable to all people, kids, str8s, gays. same if a str8 fxxk or suck dick in a same citylink toilet, they will be fined. and why must all gays support tan jee say? becos he gave gays a 15sec mention in his rally? betrayal is expecting and forcing your believes onto others. its in fashion to complaint abt the govt for everything. have you really tried to interact with any of these political parties? i had, and the results i get was kinda shocking. anyway, gd nite and gd luck.]

trevorcantona

[i jus wanna say that it is not in fashion to complain about the govt. but i hope you are not so blind as not to see the faults of this govt. we would like this govt to stand up and say we are human, we are not prefect, please give us feedback and we will all discuss it. seriously, i dun really see tat. it has always been a top-down thing.

i have visited the other parties, i know how they are like. if you have been through what i have been through with the govt perhaps, you will rather be WITH the OTHER parties.

i suppose we shouldnt support people who support us, so maybe we should oppose these people instead? tan jee say has never said or done anything hypocritical up to this point, and his support for our community is sincere. i dun see that coming from PAP, what i see is vivian balakrishnan calling dr wijay GAY!!!

whether full facts are presented or not, who cares seriously?

the reason why people dun like your view point is cos it represents what most of the str8 PAP supporting population thinks. we hear it every fxxking day in our life and 60% of the voters abide by that too, so really, we dun need to hear it here, in a GAY discussion website. and we would really like more support for our community, not destroy support.

anyway do you hate yourself so much?]

continued... last liao...

gstc82

[please do not assume that the 'people are with you, or 'people dun like my view'? i am not a politician and do not represent any parties. you can go and continue your fight with the govt if u want to. do not drag me into your political agenda lah. i am just a regular singaporean living my life. anyway, i dont hate myself and where did u get that idea? go cont your anti pap agenda if you want to, you live your life and i live mine. what kind of logic did you present that Gays must support gays and not 'destroy support'? you are trying to dictate what and who gays support? so what if gays support PAP?

anyway do you really hate yourself so much?

dont borther replying as i will not entertain you bye, cont to sulk. ]

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To many guest posting so I decided to merge those with similar IP.

GM

[Guest Guest]

my point in sharing this is not 'about me or how i feel'. being a GAY man in sg, i think we of all must be more tolerant of everyone. we shd agree to disagree. i dun care if my best friends are supporters of any political party. I do respected that sender's views and political believes but he shd also respect the views of others, we gays are not robots and we shd have our own minds and thoughts. and like what Lungker says, i rather talk about COCK than politics anytime.

i agree on all you said. but i do want to also add that it also applies to non-gays... we (regardless of sexuality) all must be more tolerant of everyone. we shd all agree to disagree... and live harmoniously. the word here is - RESPECT...

[gstc82]

wow, and i dun even borther to sign in!!! hello, what are the dates on these exchanges? whoever you are, whatever your agenda in attacking me, i thank you for letting people know that all I am asking is for ALL to 'agree to disagree and accept each others views'. and the last time i replied 'that person' was over amonth ago? whoever you are, i wonder why should trevorcantona share pvt email conversations with you. do not try to do a 'lynch mob' on me or others.

strange that i just replied trevorcantona slightly over an hour ago and you just posted the entire email conversation here. what are you trying to do or proof?

Edited October 19, 2011 by gstc82

[Guest Guest]

"in a GAY discussion website. and we would really like more support for our community, not destroy support."

totally disagree here. in a website, regardless of what type of website, we all should be ourselves and share our thoughts. and not go with the flow just to be part of the community...

gstc82, let's move on and be happy. as you said, agree to disagree... the postings of the thread makes the context clear.

:-)

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Above post are from the same IP, so it will be merged.

[Guest guest]

gstc82,

i am the person whom you talked to. i wrote that in the above posts liao, were you reading?

i was replying to Lungker btw, cos i have NOTHING to hide.

in case you din notice, most of the "guests" are supporting WITHOUT ASSERTING THE FACTS OF THE CASE from BOTH SIDES! they are only supporting based on your one sided story. i posted our conversations out so that people can tell for themselves.

Trev

[gstc82]

like i said before, this is not a popularity contest. agree to disagree.

[Guest guest]

errrmmmmm.... i never said in any of my posts that you must now cross over to opposition if not you will die?!?

i have always agreed to disagree. but i think most people dun really mean what they preach? jus cos they keep on repeating "agree to disagree" dun mean that they do?

anyway, i am used to it, the way i am treated on this website, i have seen it happen to many other people.

it is okay. i will shut the fxxk up bout this. :clap: anyway this happened to me so many times with the govt and in army liao, why should expect any different from a singaporean website?

[gstc82]

whovever you are, at least have the decency to sign in.

[Guest Guest]

errrmmmmm.... i never said in any of my posts that you must now cross over to opposition if not you will die?!?

i have always agreed to disagree. but i think most people dun really mean what they preach? jus cos they keep on repeating "agree to disagree" dun mean that they do?

anyway, i am used to it, the way i am treated on this website, i have seen it happen to many other people.

it is okay. i will shut the fxxk up bout this. :clap: anyway this happened to me so many times with the govt and in army liao, why should expect any different from a singaporean website?

oh dear, u certainly do not sound like you are agreeing to disagree at all. seemed like you are a very bitter person had consistently disagree and disgree and that had underpinned your cynical and frustrated sounding last sentence. and now have even generalize that anything singaporeans are against you. i hope you are not singaporean, else you will end up very confused... disagreeing with yourself! not very healthy...

hey, to be serious, please be more forgiving and live and let live.

be happy.

[Lungker]

To all. again, please do not bring local politics into this forum.

Before we are homosexuals, we are human beings. All of us have a mind of our own. Often we will disagree with each other over a wide range of topics. All part and parcel of what people, gay or straight do.

As an unwritten rule, people often say it is not polite to discuss politics and religion among friends. I think that should also apply here in this forum.

We are probably the only gay sex theme forum in Singapore that allows guests to post so excuse us if we have to exercise greater moderation control on topics that are sensitive to the noses of the "big brother."

There are many other places to vent or express your political inclinations. This forum should not be one of them.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Guest Ironrod]

If we start donating for this website can we 1st thing is ban "GUEST" from posting?

I think everyone should take responsibility of what he/she wrote even in this cyber space.

A lot of dispute and discontentment seems to between guest and member.

Regarding the matter above: I think everyone has express it well enough but I disagree with some of the "guest" but since they are "guest" - errm who cares.

[Officeboy]

Yeah we can pay $3-5 a month, disallow guest to post and now i need to switch to mobile mode to quote a post, the normal mode quote is not working. Plus remove the pink banner on the main page which is not public transport friendly. Thx if u can take these into consideration

[Lungker]

If we start donating for this website can we 1st thing is ban "GUEST" from posting?

I think everyone should take responsibility of what he/she wrote even in this cyber space.

A lot of dispute and discontentment seems to between guest and member.

Regarding the matter above: I think everyone has express it well enough but I disagree with some of the "guest" but since they are "guest" - errm who cares.

Excuse me, we are all guests here. Some of us are just not registered that's all. See link below.

http://www.blowingwind.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=67&view=findpost&p=8611

[gstc82]

i think if we do donate some $, we shd leave the moderators alone to do their job. BW is no sgboy or fridae as its not a 'for profit' site. i guess its could have a 'donate if u want' system and the moderators would inform us if funds are enough. we shd also leave the moderators alone as they are doing what they are doing for many years.

[Lungker]

Yeah we can pay $3-5 a month, disallow guest to post and now i need to switch to mobile mode to quote a post, the normal mode quote is not working. Plus remove the pink banner on the main page which is not public transport friendly. Thx if u can take these into consideration

Or maybe some of you can start another forum or website that caters more specifically to your needs.

Over the 14 years this forum had been in existence, we have countless people complaining about unregistered guests postings. This is not about to change.

However, we have always encouraged people, to set up new websites and blogs to widen the range of gay websites in Singapore to cater to the different needs of the community. WE are also allowing them to promote their website here EVEN at the expense of the lost of potential readership to our site.

We can do that because we are not here to make money and our goal is to reach out to as many gay or even straight people

as possible.

If members want to help offset our cost of hosting this site, it would be appreciated. BUT without conditions. We had in the past received some help before to defray our costs and they never ever ask for a single condition.

So to those who want to pay a few dollars and ask us to change something that has been a foundation of who and what we are - well all I can say politely is NO THANKS. We don't want to be beholden to you.

Be Happy.

[Guest I am a guest]

Excuse me, we are all guests here. Some of us are just not registered that's all. See link below.

http://www.blowingwi...findpost&p=8611

Sure noted, I will be a "guest" in future then

[Guest Guest]

Sure noted, I will be a "guest" in future then

One look at this post and I know it's from Ironrod

[Lungker]

One look at this post and I know it's from Ironrod

Yep. The IP address is the same.

It is ok for members to post as guests too for whatever reason. As long as everyone is happy. Registered members get the extra feature to PM each other and can post in the members' lounge. Down there, guests can read but cannot post.

People who are not happy with guests posting can stamp their feet on the floor all they want but the policies ain't about to change. Save your breath and move on. You know you love this forum with all its idiosyncrasies and can't spend a day without reading it at least ten times. We love you too so lets all agree to disagree on this. :hat:

Be happy.

[Guest I am a guest]

Yep. The IP address is the same.

Of course it's me, I have no intent to hide myself in anyways just to prove I don't hate or dislike "guest".

I will just be a "guest"

[Guest Guest]

People who are not happy with guests posting can stamp their feet on the floor all they want but the policies ain't about to change. Save your breath and move on. You know you love this forum with all its idiosyncrasies and can't spend a day without reading it at least ten times. We love you too so lets all agree to disagree on this.

Quite a number of people are unhappy with guest-posting and accuse guests of trolling etc. But no one seems to ask why only certain registered users are targeted.

The guest function here serves as a useful counterbalance against all those overbearing CB mouth registered users (we all know who they are), who keep posting offensive messages to whom no other registered user dares to rebut.

You may say, "guests should stand up and be counted". But why should the guests here sacrifice their anonymity to be identified solely for the purpose of being victimised by these bastards?

[Guest Life sucks]

"But why should the guests here sacrifice their anonymity to be identified solely for the purpose of being victimised by these bastards? "

Ermm sorry how to these bastard victimize you when they don't even know who you are?

Please do not try to twist words, from posting like Gachi is a sissy, iamchaser is horny etc it's more of guest victimizing registered users from my opinion.

[Guest Guest]

"But why should the guests here sacrifice their anonymity to be identified solely for the purpose of being victimised by these bastards? "

Ermm sorry how to these bastard victimize you when they don't even know who you are?

Please do not try to twist words, from posting like Gachi is a sissy, iamchaser is horny etc it's more of guest victimizing registered users from my opinion.

It's precisely because these bastards don't know who these guests are, that they wish to identify these guests here (by asking these guests to register) so as to target and victimise them.

And I clearly wasn't referring to GachiMuchi or imchaser, the 2 examples you mentioned.

[thorzguy]

I, for once, support whoever I wishes to support, regardless of orientation and relationship.

There are always bound to be "good and bad" people around, be it politics or not. We must be clear that anything we do, is not against your own conscience and that's fine.

Everyone has the right to support / think in their own ways. Nobody can ever agree with everybody. Live and let live.

[imchaser]

Yeah we can pay $3-5 a month, disallow guest to post and now i need to switch to mobile mode to quote a post, the normal mode quote is not working. Plus remove the pink banner on the main page which is not public transport friendly. Thx if u can take these into consideration

Wow. THis is what i fear most if asking ppl to donate. Its just 3-5 dollars a month and already so many silly request. I rather u dont donate.

And also, although im a popular target for being trolled by guest, i agree that without guests posting, the whole bw will be quite boring. Everyone will be so fake and dare not to voice their real thoughts. Most of the interesting posts are by guest anyway.

[Guest Guest]

can we keep to the topic please?

[cityhallguy]

I will look at the situation and find reason for supporting.

"Gay must support gay"... imagine A Gay Leader say killed all Singapore female to have Singapore free female country.

Would you support? hahaha.... I putting it in extreme...

[Jaded]

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Edited October 22, 2011 by Jaded

[Friendly]

Good Question... what can i say.. just look at a human being as a person as what he is....like what he likes and don like and i guess it would be a better world for everyone. This is how i look at it..

[gstc82]

well, you must be really seriously be such a big swollen headed person to think you can affect my mood or anyone's. your skin must be so thick that you STILL think that I am upset abt you. am i a 'victim'? may i ask what am i a victim of? one can only be a 'victim' if one considers himself a victim and i am no victim of anyone especially you. whats with you GOSH and GEEZ? what are you like 11? please grow up, the world does not revolves around your horrible dated photo. now seriously, like i mentioned to you before, i will not bother to entertain you anymore.

reason why i respond to you is becos you mention i SUPPORTED 377A? really? you are like a lonely lonely delusional thing who have nothing better to do. if you do not have anything better to do, go and buy new clothes, get a new haircut, get new glasses and a good photog who is wonderfull in hairbrushing your hideous thing you have on your neck.

i have more class than you and your 'friend' as i do not even now let people know the contents of email exchanges.

and now i really will not entertain you anymore.

Edited October 20, 2011 by gstc82

[Jaded]

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Edited October 22, 2011 by Jaded

[gstc82]

ok, last one. you call that HATE? no lah, i am not a hatefull person. i dont hate anyone and i certain do not hate you. hate your dress sense yes, hate your horrible hair and that badly taken photo yes. but hate that person, a huge big NO. i am a gay man, i can certainy be a bitch but i am no hater. and you know what? i will allow you to have the last word since you CRAVE so much attention.

[Jaded]

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Edited October 22, 2011 by Jaded

[Guest Curiousnazrul]

The bugger is so silly. If we support everything related to the pink community, we are, in essence, also condoning the excesses as well as the more negative aspects of being homosexual. Like homosexuality is an issue divorced from or is independent of religiosity, so should it be from politics. With regards to the political aspects of the person's ideology, I believe that it is utter hubris to judge a particular party on the basis of the feelings of victimization due to the laws set in place as the laws were set in place due to the sociological norms and patterns of the nation. If, for example, Singaporeans in general were comfortable with the concept of homosexuality and were to be free from the biases they have, I believe the question of whether 377A should be repealed would be moot since it would not be there in the first place. Some ppl should think with their brains rather that their dicks. Haha

[gstc82]

i like to share something:

Before you speak, listen.

Before you write, think.

Before you spend, earn.

Before you invest, investigate.

Before you criticize, wait.

Before you pray, forgive.

Before you quit, try.

Before you retire, save.

Before you die, give."

- William Arthur Ward

[Guest Guest]

Sometimes I don't support 377a, sometimes I really do support 377a. Really:)

[Guest Guest]

.... But the root of the matter is not that at all. It all started when gstc82 was unhappy that I was unhappy that he supported 377A even though he's gay. Geez, get over it. If you support such a hateful policy that criminalize 90% of the people here including myself, how do you expect me to happily welcome your opinion?...

i think you have every right to it is fair to be unhappy about gstc92's stand about the 377A issue.

but i think by allowing your unhappiness about his stand on this issue to influence your opinion about his other views, you are not being fair to him.

please do not think i am not taking sides, i am not.

but i think the crux of the issue is not about the 377A issue. instead, it is about how we should respect everyone's views and stands about any issues. sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't.

we learn to live and let live.

respect.

[gz69]

377a. Maybe we should buy 3771 and win some money.

[suckling_pig]

imagine A Gay Leader say killed all Singapore female to have Singapore free female country.

Would you support? hahaha.... I putting it in extreme...

Aiyoh, i sure support 1000%

Then when u go to there food court there wont be packets of tissue everwhere "choping" tables.

[gstc82]

i would like to clarify that i am against 377a. if that person think just becos i questioned why was info abt the man ravi represented was not disclosed to potential supporters, that man concluded i am for 377A. am i upset with that guy with the badly taken profile pic becos he said I supporterd 377A? nope, i am not. I know who I am, what i am. i knew i liked boys since I was 7years old, i got my cock sucked by the time i was 11, i am a gay man for 30 years and i never had a gf. my family know i am gay as well, i shd be offended by his uncalled for accusations that I support 377A and I am a beast for turning against my own kind but I am not angry. being a gay man ment being more tolerant. being a gay man ment having a more open liberal mind, being a gay man ment acceptance and I accept that there will be people like HIM who somehow do not like me and is judgemental. well, there are many bitches in the sea right.

but I am glad that he took my advice and removed that hideous picture as being a gay man ment we gays have much better taste than str8 man.

[derryfawne]

I think that as a human, we're more than just 'gays'. There are other facets/traits in us that may influence our values too; and inevitably, our political stances.

And I don't agree with this solidarity biases of 'gays must support gays'. Imagine a world in which everyone supports their own social groups, say, people are voted based on race/gender/identities instead of competence, what's becoming of the world? Think of the greater good. We might be gays, but we belong to a much bigger human community after all.

[gstc82]

what is so disgusting abt BW? the person who set up this site has the right to set the direction he wants for his site. those who want to go against the rules of this site can always not visit or read BW. not every site in the net HAS to be political just like you do not discuss gay sex in TOC or TR or SDP's or TJS' websites.

most gays want the end of 377A, i dont think any gays will want the govt to uphold 377A, we support in the ways we think fit.

those who think they are more 'political aware' or 'political superior' shd also come down from your high horse.

[chokchai]

When I talk politics, I am not Straight, Gay or Bi. We need not flaunt our sexual orientation. What purpose does that serve?

In Spore, we must cherish the government's tacit tolerance of PLU life style and not create any waves.

Agreed totally with the first statement!

The second statement however is flawed. Tolerance should be enshrined IN the law of a country. The current situation in Singapore (and some other countries) is tolerance DESPITE the law, which is totally different. The government/police, could, for example, just as easily change their attitude of tolerance to persecution overnight, and it would be perfectly legal for them to do that. Also, the current situation is that you have a law which everyone ignores! This is a fundamentally wrong principle, and a "slippery slope". If the law is there, uphold it. If it is, for whatever reason, considered unenforcable, then remove it from the statute book!