Strong Religious

[Guest Religion]

Any strong / staunch religious person here who thinks homosexuality is not correct but is trapped in his desires ?

Please no debate about right or wrong. I just want to know if anybody else feels the same.

[secretswithin]

Somewhat in this category. Not personally staunch but due to backgrd :S

[Guest Guest]

Aiyoh, some prehistoric male/dinosaur/alien also gay lah

Dun trust religion anymore. Look at all the mess in the world.

Love myself is my religion.

[Guest Guest]

Any strong / staunch religious person here who thinks homosexuality is not correct but is trapped in his desires ? Please no debate about right or wrong. I just want to know if anybody else feels the same.

i used to be like this. used to think my sexuality is in conflict with my religious beliefs cos i had assume the divine is somewhere out there judging me. that set me out to look and understand what religion is. and i realize the divine is within me all these while. and my sexuality is part of it. in it i found my own sense of being, closure and balance between religion and my sexuality.

[boybelow]

I was born and raised Catholic so somehow, I do feel that what I am doing is wrong as it is contrary to my church's teachings.

[Atrapada]

I used to be rather 'staunch' in my christian beliefs, living in a life of self-condemnation and fear. But now not anymore. at least compared to when it was 1 year ago. No point living in a life of fear, that is worse than being trapped in bad desires I think.

Edited October 23, 2011 by ConfusedFella

[retri]

see, the thing is, there are gay heavenly beings, gay deities, and so on. homosexuality exists not in just one life form, nor on a single plain / dimension. screw those who tells you that homosexuality is against religion. The Dalai does not give blessings to homosexual couples going to him, but he does not ban nor say that it is not accepted in Buddhism.

[gz69]

I am now completely as ease with my sexuality and my religious beliefs. No guilt feelings any more. God made me as I am and scientific evidence shows a certain percentage have gay tendencies or are gays.

In this way, I continue to live my life and I am close to my God too.

[Guest Any]

Any buddhist view on this ? It seems like you reap what you sow.

[Marineboy]

You might want to read this book.....the book of not knowing.

Its a call fo rpeople to be more aware....we are being told many things.

It's true to us if we experience it..otherwise it's only a belief.

Perhaps there is a God....but i dont know yet.

If the bible is the truth....what about the catholic bible...wch i believe has more stuffs wch are not recognised by the protestants..

Then you also have the Koran....another claim...so who's right??

You decide if you want to join whichever group and live by their rules.

I have asked God many times to speak to me....i m still waiting.

Live your life decently...without fear. Why be afraid of what no one knows...the after life.

That my humble opinion. No offence. Peace to all.

[devo]

I am religious, but I've learnt to accept that God loves all of us and that everything happens for a reason. Being gay may well be associated with the karma from our past lives.

Also, from your first sentence, I wouldn't say being gay is "not correct". It's just a deviation from the norm. What is actually "not correct" is the gay culture that we have come to learn and accept. The list goes on and on, but to name a few - promiscuity and unfaithfulness. Just my opinion... Peace to all.

[doncoin]

I saw a sign a while back here which I thought was funny. It says "If you don't like gay people, blame straight people. They are the ones who keep having gay babies." It pretty much sums up the whole thing for me.

[sum1outhere_03]

I saw a sign a while back here which I thought was funny. It says "If you don't like gay people, blame straight people. They are the ones who keep having gay babies." It pretty much sums up the whole thing for me.

lol...

[mysterious90]

I am a Catholic, and I do believe in God. I also believe that God love me for who I am, as I was predestined to be gay, lol

[Guest Featheric]

I was baptized when I was a baby in the Catholic Church. I am grateful to the Church for taking care of me when I was young.

When I grew up, I have seen that their teachings deviates from their practice. I am sure, they will not agree.

So I'll just say that it is perhaps, my own personal opinion. One which many others will tend to agree. =)

That shows, there are always people who agree or disagree with you no matter which side you stand.

Who has the greater number? Does number even count?

Of course, there are things that are black or white which we are certain in our own human experience.

For there truly exist pure white and pure black with an agreed reference point. But that remains that point if you know what I mean.

Lets consider this, all man are equal. It is right at a certain point.

But man are never born equals. It is right at a certain point.

A father/mother's love is different for each son. They are not equals but all as dear as his own flesh.

We go on fighting, regarding our own stand point... with disregard to the divine.

But we are all talking about the same rule that rule is all.

Under that rule we can agree. Only that we call it different names.

I believe that it is called love. I believe that it is a divine nature above natural order. I believe God is Love.

Where there is Love there is God. We as homosexuals are capable of loving just like the straights.

We are not far from God.

[Guest Exist]

Homosexuality would not have existed if god has not seen it's cause. In Hinduism, homosexuality is respected but not encouraged. A man has to fulfill his role but god has the power to decide the role. Religion is like our moral teachings. An homosexual may have 99.9% chance not to be straight. Thus, he can never control his desires and love. If we can break traffic rules, though we have to follow them strictly. Why can't such be applied to religious moral? Computer is not identified in religion as it is a recent technology. Ain't we ignoring computer. If we can accept that, homosexuality has to be accepted too.

[biscuits]

Ok. Getting preachy.

I was born Muslim. I struggled with it for a long time. Thinking, "Why did god make me to hate me,". The usual. When I was 16, I broke down and almost killed myself because of it. Killing myself is not very me. My issue and conflict was that I couldn't practice a religion where I was constantly a sinner without trying and act as if its ok if I did everything else right.

If i was going to regard something as a higher power, I'm gonna believe and follow, everything.I can't do that being gay and Muslim. But thats just me, I kinda lost the faith.

If there's faith in your heart, just be. I think at the end of the day, Religion has always had an emotional effect. If you feel that moving on from a religion that hurts would make you feel better, so be it. If you making your sexuality and faith coexist makes you happy, please do that.

oh and if you fail to be at peace;

If you're gonna die a sinner, make it worth it.

Peace.

[TheVisitors]

What I am going to share with you here, may be a little too deep, abit too unorthordox, revoluntionary to some, abit audacious to others.

Whatever, if you are interested to understand your own self existence here, as a gay man ( bisexual lesbians and trans included), just read carefully.

Come with me.

I never did had any issues about my sexuality, even thought i started as a bisexual But later when I determined which path I choose,I decided it is none of any one's concern, not even my family. I have this fxxk care you attitude, because its my life anyway, not yours.

About 12 years ago, someone gave me the three series book on " Conversation With God" by Donald Walsch. At first glancein at the title, I thought it was some kind of preachy Christian trash, so I threw away those books in my cupboard, and hid them away from daylight for years.

About 3years ago, something inside was stirring me to read through those books, so I found them, took a deep breath, and read them.

I must admit, usually I take a week to finish one book. But because the contents were so deep and challenging to our conditioned thinking, I took almost 2months to finish reading those days, by absorbing its essense slowly.

This author's works were critized for been highly ridiculous and outrageous. I may not understand everything entirely that well, but it somehow makes so much sense, more than the conventional established religions on earth.

At that time, I was a more a fervent follower of both Buddhism and Hinduism, but after reading those books, somehow, in my own words, the prospectives are more "superior" to both of them, very highly intelluctual and logical, that not only clears many doubts and dubious teachings what both were trying to preach, its' intelligence and simplicity was enough to "shame " all the teachings of conventional religion, plus with abit of thought, you start to realize their teachings are not only rebundant, but ridiculous as well.

When Donald Walsch was conversing with this IT, this Supreme Being, somehow, the revoluntary insights or wisdom, cannot be prescribed by any mortal. It has to come from a very highly enlightened person, or something, not from this world.

The term " Conversation With God" (CWG) is not about talking to a God, an external being which is widely worshipped in every religion.

It is about a quiet meditative moment , of having an internal dialodge, a internal conversation with all the wisdom you already have inside of yourself.

According to this Being, all humans are perfect creations of the Super Intelligence, that all insights, wisdoms and answers are already inside in all of us. Totality is the term inculding a;; these vast insights and wisdom

Because what we have inside, are merely " theories" We need to express this "theories", by experiencing all those theories in and through a human form, in order to fully understand the practical part of those theories.

You only know what is love and compassion as theories in your soul. But in order to understand the complete essense of love and compassion, you need to incarnate as a humanto fully experience the reality.

Because to understand this Totality in us is too vast, all souls are given many opportunities to incarnate as many human forms, to express and realize this totality.

Now you may ask, how do we experience this Totality and why.

This is the main interesting essense i gather from the book.

To understand this Totality, you must first experience Duality. meaning, there must be tall & short, big & small, Light & darkness, Happiness & pain.

Thus in one life you will experience the life of a pauper, the next a king. One life a woman, the next a man, Or one life a black man the next a white.

Thus you will experience one life as a straight man, another life you will experience a life as gay. another a bisexual another a lesbian.

Thus when you have experienced many dualities or "trialities" you will realized " Who You ReallY are"

From the "Who You Really Are" , you will then are given many choices to choose what you want to be. Thus from those choices, you choose and create your own experience, which is a form of karma.

Karma is explained very neatly was " Whatever thoughts you choose to do or create, you will experience the experiences of your choices. This is karma, or the law of your own mind attraction, because are thoughts are alive and real, every one of them vibrating with a live and energy the moment you create any thought."

Karma is also explained as " What you choose to experience, you will experience yourself. Whatever you choose for others to experience, you will in turn experience what you project or give to others, as to understanding the totality of your choice"

Thus to the Supreme Intelligence. It is a free will universe with love, and does not interfere with the choices we create for ourselves.

All incarnations are experiences are for the soul to experience itself, thus there is no right or wrong, for to the Supreme Being, it is neutral to everything, but it was humans who created their fickle " right " and "wrong" system.

Why fickle? Because what is right in one culture, is wrong in another.

When this Supreme being imparts all latent insights wisdom, and abilities it has in every soul, it is not wrong to say " And men were made in the image of God" acording to the Christian context . With this it explains very beautifully

" Since you are created in my image in very likeness, why should I even create so much laws and fears to judge you? If I judge you, am I not judging myself? "

" As a Totality, when I express my essense through you, don't you think I too, can understand all your secrets, fear, pain joy, sorrow, and every emotions and thoughts ?"

"As a Totality which is of a all Supreme and who is self sustaining, I do not need your worship, I don't need your offerings, I do not need you to believe in a set of rules, in order for me to love and accept you. If I have prescribe any conditions for you to obey, in order to be loved and to be pure, have I not now lesser myself as a Total Supreme self sustaining being? For what ever you choose to experience, I had never judge you nor think you as any lesser than myself nor need to be condemed to be burned in hell, which are created by men with distorted minds "

regarding the last line...when I first read it, I took a moment to reflect, and you will realized, all those while, you and I have lived through eons and decades of religious rules, that were created and led by men, out of fear, ignorance and manipulation of the masses in many f those established religions

Thus whats wrong being gay? It is just one of our many experiences here ( incarnation on earth), to understand this wonder universe and Totality, which is based on love and free will.

A man may love a woman Yet another man can love another man as much as much as how a straightman loves a woman.

The outer form is just a shell, that will disintegrate and decay when we die, but the essense of love in any form of sexual gender, is equally the same.

All those ignorant religious rules, have in deed caused thousands, if not, millions of unneccessary sufferings, that includes you being judged as gay.

fxxk Them !

[qedcwc]

To understand this Totality, you must first experience Duality. meaning, there must be tall & short, big & small, Light & darkness, Happiness & pain.

Thus in one life you will experience the life of a pauper, the next a king. One life a woman, the next a man, Or one life a black man the next a white.

Thus you will experience one life as a straight man, another life you will experience a life as gay. another a bisexual another a lesbian.

Sounds a bit like the Taoist concept yin and yang to me.

... there is no right or wrong, for to the Supreme Being, it is neutral to everything, but it was humans who created their fickle " right " and "wrong" system.

I had not read the book, but this is exactly the same opinion I have with regard to what we call the 'norms' of the society...

[jameshkh1209]

I also had a short struggle with myself and turned to religion for a while. It did help "stabilize" me until I started digging deeper and challenging the whole concept of god and religion.

IMHO, no one can prove or disprove that god exists. we truly don't have all the answers so it's ultimately up to one's own FAITH. but that's where it should stop. we should always take religion with a pinch of salt because there are many people (pastors, clerics, spiritual "leaders") who claim they have the answers when no one does.

the video above demonstrates a point; religions pick and choose what they want to practice. in another words, religion is created by mankind. so take care to distinguish between faith in a higher power and trust in a religion with a group of "leaders" running it.

Edited October 27, 2011 by jameshkh1209

[Guest Religion]

Hi everybody

My intention was to find people who are staunch. May be get some mutual support. I belief and I don't intend to change that. It's ok if you are not staunch or you don't belief. I don't want to debate that. Please not digress to a debate on this. Thanks. If there are no staunch people, it's fine also.

[Friendly]

I was born and raised Catholic so somehow, I do feel that what I am doing is wrong as it is contrary to my church's teachings.

Aiyo.. you should not feel its wrong.. i think you have forgotten the many cases of Priest having sex with boys in lots of countries. Me also Catholic but today i believe i am force to become one lor.. i don go to church anymore. In fact i don believe in God anymore. I believe in behaving myself well and be happy thats all. I am trying to live as simple as possible. Yes is Yes and No.. is No.. ha ha.. Best Wishes to you..

[Friendly]

You might want to read this book.....the book of not knowing. Its a call fo rpeople to be more aware....we are being told many things. It's true to us if we experience it..otherwise it's only a belief. Perhaps there is a God....but i dont know yet. If the bible is the truth....what about the catholic bible...wch i believe has more stuffs wch are not recognised by the protestants.. Then you also have the Koran....another claim...so who's right?? You decide if you want to join whichever group and live by their rules. I have asked God many times to speak to me....i m still waiting. Live your life decently...without fear. Why be afraid of what no one knows...the after life. That my humble opinion. No offence. Peace to all.

Cannot agreed more to what you say.. cheers.

[Friendly]

I also had a short struggle with myself and turned to religion for a while. It did help "stabilize" me until I started digging deeper and challenging the whole concept of god and religion. IMHO, no one can prove or disprove that god exists. we truly don't have all the answers so it's ultimately up to one's own FAITH. but that's where it should stop. we should always take religion with a pinch of salt because there are many people (pastors, clerics, spiritual "leaders") who claim they have the answers when no one does. the video above demonstrates a point; religions pick and choose what they want to practice. in another words, religion is created by mankind. so take care to distinguish between faith in a higher power and trust in a religion with a group of "leaders" running it.

Thank you.. i feel so much better already.. Love the vedio and your help to enlighten me.. 3 cheers to you.. good job..

[Guest Religious]

Yes as what the thread starter says..I believe in God but am Gay still trap in my strong desires...but never had msm as a result. Not easy indeed. also somehow don't feel normal. Sigh.

[suckling_pig]

Hi everybody

My intention was to find people who are staunch. May be get some mutual support. I belief and I don't intend to change that. It's ok if you are not staunch or you don't belief. I don't want to debate that. Please not digress to a debate on this. Thanks. If there are no staunch people, it's fine also.

If you are a christian, Free Community Church is a good place to start. Do you know FCC ? you will find diverse religious background, catholics, methodists etc, and even the odd buddhist and muslim will join in sometimes. You will also find small-groups of different theological leanings so you can find which is most comfortable for you and a good place to start to seek God from

[greysuperhero]

raised in a staunch christian family, and i used to think that i could change!

but not anymore. trying to change has brought me nowhere.

i still believe in God, and I believe it's ok to be gay:)

Even though the church community does not accept it, I still believe it.

[Marineboy]

Greysuperhero

Have you even thought it could be better to join a group that at least can accept you since you accpeted yourself?

Why cling on to the group that is against who you are?

I am only saying it because you say it's ok to be gay.

Perhaps you might want to listen to Pat Condell....the godless and free for the hack of it.

Go with your heart. At least beilive in a God that is not against you mah

Otherwise live in fear and maybe there can be miracles...when you believe..though hope is frail....it's hard to kill.

Who knows what miracles we can achieve..when you belive somehow you will......you will when you believe

Be aware of the socail conditioning that is constantly going on :smokin: :smokin:

Then you decide...it's your life :clap:

[Guest Christian Believer]

I'm a believer and I feel very blessed that my parents instilled Christian values into me. When I was young I use to believe that God was external. About 25 years ago (I'm now in my 50's) I found that the interpretation "society" put on the bible was to limiting for my personal evolution and no longer nurtured me so I stoppe dgoing to Sunday services and started to explore other religions and beliefs.

As a result, I feel I am much happier and well adjusted. Maybe you have "outgrown" what you were taught. Maybe it's time you start exploring other avenues.

Now I believe we are all part of a whole "collective intelligence" in the universe. Each one of us are a small part of what makes up this "collective intellegance".

My life has been so blessed and I feel so content being gay. I'm in a LTR for the passed 10 yrs and every day I say a prayer of thanks for the enriching life I've been given. Moreover, I say a prayer of thanks that I have someone to share it with. Maybe you need to change your perspective on how you see life. I believe we are given this life to experience living in a physical form that allows us to make choices. These choices are either positive (God like, Christain and spiritually enriching) or negative (ego driven and painful). What we choose has consequences both positive and negative so you need to be careful what you think and focus on because that's what you will manifest. Maybe you are just being awakened to the fact that you have spent the past heading in the wrong direction or maybe you've been listening to information that no longer serves your higher needs

Part of what allowed me to embrase my homosexuality is the belief that God DOES NOT make any mistakes, therefore, my feelings can't be a mistake. Furthermore, there are too many other "gays" in the world for homosexuality to be nothing other than part of the human experience. I also truly believe God does not give us any "challenge" that we truly can't overcome. Everyone has challenges in life because that's why we chose to live this life.

I believe in past lives and that everyone will live many lives therby allowing themselves the opportunity to experience life from different perspectives. I believe that this life I'm suoose to experience life though the homosexual view. So if that's the case, I'm going to create the most positive and beautiful experience i can. Afterall, I'm the only one that gets to live this life so why make it a living"hell".

The only person placing judgement on you is YOU. Stop doing that to yourself. There is enough hatred in this world so you don't need to add to it. If you hate yourself and can't accept yourself then you will attract that type of experience into your life. It's called the "Law of Attraction".

There is nothing that you can't do and there is nothing you can face with a strong belief in you and God.

May God bless you on your journey and may the grace of God bring happiness into your life.

[Guest Christian Believer Again]

God gave you this desire to explore and exerience. HE doesn't make mistakes so your feelings can't be wrong. Give yourself permission to enjoy the human experience and all that it has to offer.

Blessings

[suckling_pig]

Those religious str8 zealots have no idea what they're missing out on.

I think they have a slight idea, thats why they are so pissed they are missing out on it !!!

[Guest Religious]

Some of us do cling on to certain faith because we belief in what that faith offers, so maybe you still don't understand the struggle we go through.

[Officeboy]

Religion is not created so that u can communicate with god, its just a means for its creator to impose his values, telling u what should u do n what r u not supposed to do. In current society religion is use for commercial purposes as members pledge part of their salaries to churches which in turn 'helps them on their spiritual route'. It really depends on the individual whether he buys the idea or not, for the younger generation its a means of getting to know more frens.

[Paradisee]

Lol. in my religion I was thought Homosexuality was a no-no so i grew up a little confused and conflicted. I kept thinking why would I be brought into this world by god when he doesn't even allow homosexuality. Hmm. I've decided to just live my life as freely and happy as possible. I'm still young Lol.

[Guest ChristianBeliever 3rd Time]

Let me ask you these questions.... What is life? Why are you here?

I don't believe you are here to spend 24 hours a day sufferring. In the bible it does say "Yee are gods and do not know it."

I believe that in another dimension we are these gods that are capable of anything and everything imaginable. But here's the problem with that...If you are capable of creating or having anything then where are the limits?

Life is about living in duality with limits. It's about experiencing opposites. There is no day without night. There is no happiness without sadnesss. There is no good without bad. There is no godliness with out evil.

Likewise, there can be no heterosexuality without homosexuality. As a gay person you are actually doing a service to the "straight community" because you are helping to give meaning to their human experience just like they are doing the same for us. Moreover, most poeple don't fall in the two extremes. Sexuality should be seen as a sliding scale with different degrees of bisexuality in the middle. Most people have feelings for the same sex but may or may not choose to act on it. This can change at different stages of their life.

Life's deal you sighned up for is to experience limits and boundries. You are suppose to experience opposites by the choices you make. As a god entity you chose this experience because in your natural state where anything and everything is possible there is no limit but with that comes no joy. To experience joy you need an opposite like misery so you need to be blid to your powers.

It was Albert Enstein who said something to the effect, "The definition of insanity is to keep doing the say thing over and over and expecting a different outcome." So you can choose happiness and joy in your life by changing what you do and what you think. If you are feeling sadness and pain then ask yourself if you are ready to change.

Keep in mind you are welcome to keep living your life the way you are. I believe you should embrase this "life" experience with all your heart. Maybe you need to keep experiencing whatever it is. Your "higher-self" knows what it is doing. Trust in the process of life. When the time is right and you are ready to experience something new that's when you will make the changes in your life that you need to do or that's when the changes in your life will come because that's when your "higher-self" will create the opportunites for change.

In the meantime just try to accept the choices you've made and accept that there maybe consequences to former choices you made (karma) in this lifetime or other lifetimes that you may have to work through.

Maybe you need to start searching and reading for more meaning in your life.

God bless your evolution.

[Guest Passerby]

Hi i am a staunch beliver of God. My sexulaity did not stop me from beliving him and i am sure that he luvs me for what i am because he is GOD.... He dont care who u are aslong u come to him with yr hands asking him for blessinga and prectection he is there...... Thus i follow him closely with the fact that my urge for sex with guys do not stopped reaching him rather i feel that it is the belief in him then make me what i am and i can face my life as a gay so God is within u when u realise him u relise that no matter what u are God is there to hugg and kiss u......

[Foreign Talent]

Are there any gay friendly churches in Singapore? I have heard ages ago that there was at least one but I cannot remember the name ...

[Guest IwillsurviveSG]

Are there any gay friendly churches in Singapore? I have heard ages ago that there was at least one but I cannot remember the name ...

Click here to check out Community Resources.

[hitchcube]

Two real-life stories, one from a gay Muslim guy, & another from a Buddhist woman:

Here I Am

"I hope people can read my story and understand that it’s about connecting religion with sexuality. It’s really just about being comfortable with who you are, rather than living with those painful feelings of guilt, and then trying to embrace religion into your life. Lots of people say that you can’t be Muslim and gay at the same time. That’s not true. Religion and sexuality are not separate entities that are mutually exclusive. It all depends on how we integrate them, and the importance that religion plays in our lives, which is also a very personal decision."

Mindfulness

"One thing I’ve really learnt, which I’d like to share with you, is for us to be compassionate to ourselves, even as we’re being patient with others. Ultimately, what matters is you are happy with yourself. This is what keeps me going, because I know this will be my own happiness."

[Guest Guest]

In the past, it's fine for Simon Peter to lean on Jesus' bosom.

It is fine for guys to be physically intimate since a long time ago.

Just follow your heart and do no harm to others.

[suckling_pig]

Are there any gay friendly churches in Singapore? I have heard ages ago that there was at least one but I cannot remember the name ...

Its Free Community Church my friend. See here http://www.freecomchurch.org/

[Marineboy]

Is there a GOD?

Frankly i don't know.

I strongly believe no one really knows.

The high priest or the likes knows as much about God as you and I...just that they are perceived to know more.

When I was a child ...it got drilled into my head....all those biblical stories.

The ten commandments...the talking snake...poison apple...etc etc

God made the world in 6 days and rested on the sabbath...long time ago...people were not allowed to work on the sabbath...some get killed if it's not observed

Told that God has a son and born of a virgin.

The list goes on.

I grew up...realised i was gay....took a while...tried in vain to change prayed over it...kept a girlfren for close to a year.

Then enough was enough...i outed to her...appologised for using her. Told her i tried in vain...God has not spoken and i need to move on.

As i read more from atheist literature...i would have avoided them out of fear blasphemy etc...but began to see that ..they are not nonsense after all.

It's spoken to make you aware and realise ....it becomes harder to just accept all these stories...with a logical mind.

However religion always have the answers and when it's a dead end...they have the fantastic shield to use....FAITH

Perhaps there is a creator...you call GOD....it may not be the same one the organised religions ....stories are akeen to fairy tales.

I really dont know.

What i do know...is now i am free....from all the rules imposed on me.

Live my life now....decently ...showering my surrondings with warmth and love whenever possible with no regrets/

We dont really know about the after Life....what if it's not there...you just wasted this life and not living it your way but the ways dictated by others.

Well thats my story my contribution.

As much as a religious person wants to share his God as the truth....spreading the good news.

You can't really fault the athetist for also wanting to release you from the shackles the he feels religion brings

Peace to all.

I write again if God one day speaks to me and update you all about it

Meanwhile you got a story to share,,,God spoken to you, Plse enlighten us here too :thumb:

[qedcwc]

Guess I'd share this video in this thread

The title of the video is CIGARETTE & SKULLCAP

Edited November 19, 2011 by qedcwc

[Lungker]

Non-judgemental, simple and nice vid.

For those who did not watch or did not finish watching, the message at the end of the video is this:

Belief without rationale - Blindness

Rational without belief - Emptiness

I will give it 3 out of 4 stars.

Cheers and be happy.

[Guest shenderz]

Thanx for sharing the visitors. I always find ur words insightful.

Personally, I was a Christian when i was sec 3. However, I never felt a sense of belonging there. I guess it's about a sense of coming home for me. Religion dun give me tat.

But I stay open to Taoism and Buddhism and zen.

It's really about self love and self acceptance for many of us.

[hitchcube]

You can read more about Ashraff's spiritual journey, as a gay Muslim, here:

Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri! Eid Mubārak!

[Marineboy]

Dont you all find it interesting....the established churches i know is against it(PLUs way of life)...but somehow someone can start a church that ambraces PLUs.

Its tough being brought up and being told this n that and what not...and finding yourself in the "wrong" unable to understand any of it...or any of it making any sense to you except that the devil is testing you ;P

Humans are such they can somehow find ways to justifly what they do...even in killlings n revenge for some is justifiable...an eye for an eye?

Best is disengage from your religion .....suddenly there is no problem right?

Peace to all. One can live a moral and upright way too with or without religion.

[bludragon]

All i believe in is doing good. Cant be bothered with people who shove their religion down your own throat and cant think beyond a book.

[hitchcube]

Do you know what Hari Raya Haji is all about?

Read a story from Ashraff, who is gay & Muslim, about how he reconciles between his sexuality & his religion.

"I hope people can read my story and understand that it’s about connecting religion with sexuality. It’s really just about being comfortable with who you are, rather than living with those painful feelings of guilt, and then trying to embrace religion into your life. Lots of people say that you can’t be Muslim and gay at the same time. That’s not true. Religion and sexuality are not separate entities that are mutually exclusive. It all depends on how we integrate them, and the importance that religion plays in our lives, which is also a very personal decision."

~Mohd Ashraff, 37, counsellor

[Nic-k]

Gay, lesbian, straight, bisexual, to me all are the same. They have a common goal which is 'to find the one they love'.

No text in buddhism stated that homosexual is wrong nor ban. Human created that 'R&R'.

Buddhism do believe in karma, but think it reversely, this might be a good karma instead. Who knows a gay might find a guy who loves you more than a woman can and vice versa? Even some straight couple nowadays can't save their marriage nor maintain their relationship.

Religion is a thing that teach us to be good and a place for you to rest spiritually. But to have a positive mindset is important too. God won't punish you if you are a gay, lesbian or bisexual, if they does, what's the point of worshipping them?