Call To Ban Semi-Nude Male Gymnasts

[Guest Guest]

http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_396554.html

Frolicking gymnasts' bare antics a real eyesore

I was at the Bishan Sports Hall and saw women and children there for various activities. In their midst was a team of seven young men and their coach using the gymnastic equipment.

From the start of the team's routine, five young men were practically semi-nude. They were bare-chested and wore loosely fitted knee-length trunks that exposed their pelvic bones below the waistline. They strutted and pranced in their scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.

The team frolicked and tumbled in the hall, oblivious to the parents and children around them. I grimaced as they swung vigorously on the pommel horse, and risked slipping out of their loose trunks. Even worse, as they gripped the rings and the parallel bars, it did not take much gravity to expose their pubic area to the children. It was an eyesore to onlookers as the young men trampled on their modesty in public.

Bishan Sports Hall has been the de facto venue of the Singapore Open Gymnastics Championships for a number of years. It is also the proposed venue for the gymnastics competition events of the Singapore Youth Olympic Games 2010. It is the key gymnastic competition site for the Asian Youth Games.

I therefore urge the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports to do something about those who bare their torsos without any regard for other users. Perhaps, the authorities should impose a minimum dress code that ensures decency.

Sports that allow male athletes to train semi-nude are swimming, water polo, windsurfing and sumo wrestling. But gymnastics is a sport that requires proper leotards for women and body-fitting singlet and shorts or tights for men.

George Lim Heng Chye

[qedcwc]

They strutted and pranced in their scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.

The team frolicked and tumbled in the hall, oblivious to the parents and children around them.... It was an eyesore to onlookers as the young men trampled on their modesty in public.

What a strong choice of words.

Seems to me that this idiot has not seen bare-chested men before.

Pretend to be pure and chaste summore....

Edited November 17, 2011 by qedcwc

[Blissfull]

No photos? Maybe the children should stop watching TV too with women wearing dresses that gathers focus on their boobs, wearing bras that makes them look bigger, short dresses that took no effort from the wind to show panties. Blah blah blah.

[Officeboy]

Then what about bodybuilding, its not even a sport in the olympics, its much worse then this, yet its still allowed in sea games. That guy is irritating with his ignorance

[Guest Erotictales]

This should be the same prude who challenges the government's decision to hire gays. Who alerted Thio Su Mien to the Aware Movie Screening etc.

[Guest Guest]

From George Lim Heng Chye:

I am a heterosexual man, married to a heterosexual woman and we have four heterosexual children. We believe that the right upbringing by parents will prevent improper and deviant future behaviours.

We also believe in a God who loves both the heterosexual and the gay, but He hates the sin of immorality.

So now you know where I would stand on the issue of the Government hiring gays for even sensitive jobs ('Govt more open to employing gays now'; ST, July 4). Or is there no more right or wrong regarding the hiring of gays to help govern the country?

The saying 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' is my guiding principle. I accept a criminal, a gay, a gangster or a hooligan, but I reject his behaviour. Why? Because as human beings we have a conscience to distinguish between what is good and what is bad.

There is no greyness between white and black. White is white, and black is black. There is no relativity in morality. Morality is abso-lute. Yet the guiding principle is love.

So is it morally right to hire gays for key government positions? It would take a perfect government not to hire them as pressure mounts over the years to accept gays in practically any job.

Our society, including religious groups, has been bending backwards towards tolerance of immoral behaviour. A government that does not appease the wishes of its people may not last long. On the other hand, many people still expect our Government to take sound and responsible action to protect young citizens from the corrupting influence of immoral behaviour.

I am concerned about the consequences of the Government's action. Firstly, the Government has shown quite clearly by its action that it has lost its moral authority.

Then there are other repercussions: gay leaders will one day advocate gay marriages and, as if to complete the cycle, they will promote the adoption of orphaned children by married gay couples.

I am concerned for our next generation of children. Will they be able to tell right from wrong? By accepting what the Government is doing now, we are not helping our children to see the corrupting and subtle influences of such a lifestyle.

I disagree with the Government that people are born that way and hence helpless to change. Gays are never born that way. The law of nature has been that you are either born a male or a female, hence the proper behaviour follows.

However, because of negative influences in their lives, homosexualism and lesbianism set in and took control of the person's mind, soul and body.

Most gays are reported to have had a history of being sexually abused when they were children. Others mentioned that they had grown up in homes without a father or father figure and subsequently rejected their own sexual identities. Still others admitted that their attraction to the same sex started when they allowed themselves to be addicted to pxxnography.

Yet the person himself still has a choice as to whether to accept or reject this immoral behaviour. Some people may be comfortable with the change in views, but I am not and will continue to educate my children in the right way.

I am surprised that leaders of religions like Islam and Christianity have not voiced their disagreement openly. These two religions have very strong views about the right behaviours where human sexuality is concerned.

Religions play an important role in society and it is most ironical and sad that religious leaders are refraining from making their stand known publicly in matters of sexual morality.

I would like to appeal to the Government to reverse its decision to hire gays for key jobs. History has shown time and again that great empires fell because of failing human values and shaky moral principles. Does the phrase 'the chain is as strong as the weakest link' sound familiar?

We know that yeast causes dough to rise, so in the recent Sars outbreak its containment depended on not leaving even one virus at large to infect people.

Likewise, the majority of the public should make known its disapproval of hiring gays for key government jobs. This seemingly harmless action today will not bode well for our children tomorrow.

George Lim Heng Chye

[sgboy82]

Imbecility.

Such ignorance towards the biology of gay.

Speaking only from his own perspective. Truly an idiot.

[qedcwc]

I disagree with the Government that people are born that way and hence helpless to change. Gays are never born that way. The law of nature has been that you are either born a male or a female, hence the proper behaviour follows.

Define proper. Does one define the behaviour of sissies and tomboys who are not homosexuals as proper then?

However, because of negative influences in their lives, homosexualism and lesbianism set in and took control of the person's mind, soul and body.

Most gays are reported to have had a history of being sexually abused when they were children.

Others mentioned that they had grown up in homes without a father or father figure and subsequently rejected their own sexual identities. Still others admitted that their attraction to the same sex started when they allowed themselves to be addicted to pxxnography.

True, I grew up without a fatherless figure but he only left me when I was about to sit for my UPSR (Malaysia’s equivalent of PSLE). During that time, I was sent to an all boys’ school from primary up to secondary. And yet, out of the class of 40 I was in during Form/Secondary 5, most of my classmates have girlfriends and as of now, at least 3 have gone thru marriage rites. I sense that I’m the only odd one out to be gay. So what gives?

Some people may be comfortable with the change in views, but I am not and will continue to educate my children in the right way.

I am surprised that leaders of religions like Islam and Christianity have not voiced their disagreement openly. These two religions have very strong views about the right behaviours where human sexuality is concerned.

Religions play an important role in society and it is most ironical and sad that religious leaders are refraining from making their stand known publicly in matters of sexual morality.

Your children, your calling. But when they are old enough to make decisions they know best, there’s nothing much you can do unless you’re the despicable and mean sort.

Religion is a personal thing between the Almighty and the believer. Clerics, iman and priests only act as facilitators and advisors for those who wish to understand the religion more. Both Al-Qur’an and the Bible clearly state/indicate that they do not impose unto others who do not believe in the two religions. The more the force, the more people are driven away from the religions. Who do you think you are to say this?

I would like to appeal to the Government to reverse its decision to hire gays for key jobs. History has shown time and again that great empires fell because of failing human values and shaky moral principles.

Too bad the Government you elected doesn’t seem to do a fairly good enough job.

Heterosexuals will always be the majority to outnumber homosexuals, but it doesn’t mean that they will alwiz do d job better than homosexuals. Face it.

[Guest God's angel]

who is this george lim guy? gosh....sounds so ignorant and discriminating and judgemental....

heterosexual children????

I have a super-homophobic relative, disliked gays and eventually, his two children turns out to be the biggest gays in town, painting the town red every sunday at Zirca gay night...

mind you george, dont try to play God la....and by the way, why are you in this gay website in the first place, haha....u sure are a closeted case...

[Blissfull]

This George Lim Heng Chye is absolutely disgusting. Sugar-coated thorns filled words. They are not even worthy to be rebutted.

(Hopefully four heterosexual children will turn out not to be so heterosexual, hohoho :smokin: )

[qedcwc]

....and by the way, why are you in this gay website in the first place, haha....u sure are a closeted case...

He's not the one posting in here la..... The guest above re-posted his comments from sumwhr else....

[fab]

y is the article remove so fast, on the same day....

[Guest jayy]

Did that actually get published in ST?

[Guest Ironrod]

I am officially pissed.

[sgboy82]

I am officially pissed.

You are not aloooooone

[Foreign Talent]

Hahahahaha - I'm not pissed, I'm just rolling on the floor with laughter. We should plan a group outing to support the Singapore national gymnastics team, they train at Bishan Sports Centre and yeah the public can just wander in and watch, I'm friends with most of the older ones and the coaches anyway.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Foreign Talent

[Guest Erotictales]

This same man once wrote to the newspaper complaining about movies shown, lamenting how evil etc they were. He was involved actively in the Aware incident. Probably part of the insane cohort who demanded 377a to be retained. The shocking thing is how Straits Times continues, till now, to give him a public voice. This is one of the main reason why I refused for years to touch that questionable paper.

[Mareshka]

I hope his kids will all turn gay. I wanna see if he'll jump off the building.

[pocketsizebf]

if he calls himself a devoted christian - he should know: no man is righteous before others, therefore he has no rights to judge nor condemn.

for those who judge based on man-set standards, would be judged in return based on man-set standards - aka, without the mercy or grace of God.

[alien]

If the person who complaint only if they expose their pubic area due to loose trunks, maybe i can still accept. As it is indeed not very gd to expose ur public area since they are in the public area.

But if the person complaint becos they are semi-naked, then i really dun know which earth this person comes from?! Thought semi-naked is common and ok for guy, esp if the guy is engage in sports or exercise.

[Guest Reporter]

About George Lim Heng Chye:

http://www.blowingwi...?showtopic=1723

[Wolfe]

Bah. Pompous, self-righteous homophobic bastard.

[qedcwc]

Considering there's already an existing thread about this heterosexual-guy-who-is-so-confident-that-all-his-four-offspring-are-not-homosexual, maybe this one shud be merged. Mods, your calling.

[qedcwc]

I checked further on the net.

Apparently this article was written back 2 years ago: http://thinkingbetterthinkingmeta.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-think-i-am-more-straight-than-george.html

No wonder the original article could no longer be traced.

Anyway, what's the point of digging up old stuff, TS?

[Guest seriozna]

Phew, good job those fit young lads weren't cavorting around in just g-strings or sweat-soaked thongs with their manly bulges leaving nothing to the imagination. That would have been simply dreadful. But couldn['t agree more that the authorities should take immediate and stern action and find their laissez-faire attitude on these serious matters quite incomprehensible.

[miles]

Old article. Anyway-

'From the start of the team's routine, five young men were practically semi-nude. They were bare-chested and wore loosely fitted knee-length trunks that exposed their pelvic bones below the waistline. They strutted and pranced in their scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.'

This looks like it's either written by a pxxn novelist and/or a closeted homosexual. Few straight men would be so concerned and graphically detailed about how other guys dress.

[Guest Erotictales]

I wouldn't be at all surprised he is yet another of those self hating, christian fundalmentalist gays.

In fact, who knows whether Thio Li Ann is lesbian? Maybe that's why her mother is so dead set on combat.

[Guest Guest]

Old article. Anyway- 'From the start of the team's routine, five young men were practically semi-nude. They were bare-chested and wore loosely fitted knee-length trunks that exposed their pelvic bones below the waistline. They strutted and pranced in their scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.' This looks like it's either written by a pxxn novelist and/or a closeted homosexual. Few straight men would be so concerned and graphically detailed about how other guys dress.

I have the same impression, why would ordinary straight guys even notice what other guys are wearing in the gym?? And to me, most straight guys would really not bat an eyelid at the sight of other guys being topless and wearing shorts while exercising, i mean it's really no big deal isn't it?

[miles]

I wouldn't be at all surprised he is yet another of those self hating, christian fundalmentalist gays.

In fact, who knows whether Thio Li Ann is lesbian? Maybe that's why her mother is so dead set on combat.

I hate to say this- but all signs do point to the notion that she IS lesbian.

At this juncture I do have to bring up an lesbian ex-national-swimmer, who is more butch than any other guy I've known, suddenly gets married and -gasp- pregnant after joining a charismatic organization. I guess there is a choice after all! (read: sarcasm, in case people don't get the drift....)

[oralb]

someone once told me that that most homophobic tended to be extremely discreet gay themselves.

Look at the gay bashing man of clothes in the USA who hired a male escort to, ahem, carry his luggages

[keyboard]

The person who submitted the article should let his readers know what he is currently doing to raise moral standard in his terms. Instead of bashing the actions of others, I'm sure there are a lot one can contribute to improve his and the situation around him.

[oralb]

you see, guys like George, have a very narrow vision on how the world should run. He sees his opinions and religion as the rules of his world, hard casted onto stones. Once anyone or anything violated his vision, he will cry foul and demand everyone play by his rules.

No point getting angry about guys like such, no need to argue as his vision is embedded inside him, just ignored, move on and make sure you live happier than him.

[Guest Guest]

I hate to say this- but all signs do point to the notion that she IS lesbian. At this juncture I do have to bring up an lesbian ex-national-swimmer, who is more butch than any other guy I've known, suddenly gets married and -gasp- pregnant after joining a charismatic organization. I guess there is a choice after all! (read: sarcasm, in case people don't get the drift....)

Hoscelin Yeo?

[keyboard]

It's a great reminder to know such idiots still exists. That is what racism, slavery etc is based upon. It's so difficult not to feel angry, pretty irresponsible to put such things on a national paper. There are seriously better things to do that actually help people.

[Guest Erotictales]

We ignore hopeless cases like George Lim, provided they do not have the means to influence the public. The disturbing thing here really is that for almost ten years, this man, with his ridiculous views, continues to receive voice and notice in the national paper. First it was about employing gays. Then it was about movies shown (I remember he wrote a letter saying LOTR was evil etc). Then it was his involvement in the Aware incident, supposedly, he found out about Spider Lilies. And then this. None of his arguments ever make sense, he is just claiming, and demanding to be listened to. The real question is why The Straits Times editors continue to air his extreme views and whether George Lim actually has an accomplice inside the paper.

[fab]

Is George Lim Heng Chye still living in the Qing Dynasty?

[Officeboy]

Hoscelin Yeo?

Oo the thick lips gal n u purposely spell her name wrongly

[derryfawne]

There is no greyness between white and black. White is white, and black is black. There is no relativity in morality. Morality is abso-lute. Yet the guiding principle is love.

......

I am concerned for our next generation of children. Will they be able to tell right from wrong? By accepting what the Government is doing now, we are not helping our children to see the corrupting and subtle influences of such a lifestyle.

Look who's speaking.

Judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love. That is my guiding principle, and that is how I tell my right from my wrong. What is there in George's opinion article is anything but love.

Morality is not relative? Is something Good because your God says so? (i.e. relative to interpretation of a particular religion) Or does your God recommend something because it is Good? (i.e. abs0lute right)

Since George agreed that morality is relative, which means that Good exists outside the realm of God, then why can't I see anything in his article that explains why 'homosexuality = bad morality'? Why did all his arguments against homosexuality fall back into his relative religious interpretation? Logic fallacy much?

And even if we resort to his subjective religious interpretation, what's wrong about government's decision to hire gays? Isn't his principle based on 'Love the sinner, hate the sin'? The government hires the... ehem, the sinner... not the sin. They are hired to do professional works.... they are not paid by the amount of times they fvck each other in the office. How is that a problem?

Homophobia is the new apartheid... forming bizzare policies that make no abs0lute sense whatsoever.

Edited November 18, 2011 by derryfawne

[gstc82]

Now I know where to go n see semi mud hunks!

[Guest FattChoy88]

First of all, people should stop hating, and I mean EVERYONE.

Secondly, when people show hatred,esp on an internet forum,I hope the readers can realize that hating back does nothing good except pouring fuel to fire.

Thirdly, I don't think there's a Uniglo or Levi's store in hell, so I suggest everyone gets used to the idea of being nude in the afterlife

Finally, everyone sins, so get ready to meet Satan.

[Marineboy]

Georgy boy....what if i told you your imaginary friend MAY NOT exist at all...you have been duped and your mind conditioned. Takes a long time to get out though.

Hope you see the light one day.

Would an omni powerful God be really interested in your life or mine? Needs us to sing song to him?? Needs money yes $$$ to build and expand his churches...come on he created the universe no??

Does he really care who wins or loses? So the losing team did not pray hard enough?

All things bright and beautiful all creatures great and small

All things wise and wonderful the Lord God made them all......goes the hymn

Well Tsunamis....Earthquakes....Typhoons etc...God made them too.Otherwise who did?

Finally he made some or us Gay otherwise we wont be here.....

Be nice to all his creations then.

Lastly enjoy the beautiful bodies of gymnast he created too

Peace everyone

[recklessbootlegger]

I feel great pity for George and his heterosexual family. Really sad to know that such people exist in our times. Sadly, his bubble will be burst because there are gays all over and in all walks of life who lead respectable lives and are capable in their own right. Surely, your heterosexual children will come to meet with all sorts of people.

Just as gays have to be tolerant of people with such myopic views as George, the best that he can do is to teach his children and himself, if possible, to co-exist with all sorts. That is what his loving God would want of him.

[typoshark]

Isnt it ironic that hes able to describe the young men's activities so well, as to even being able to tell how low their attire slung et;, i thought he was a straight man. Why would he take so much notice of them?

[xxxpartyboixxx]

This person reminds me of the left wing parties in US politician ring. A frustrated in-denial closeted guy who ogle at young men going about their sports routine. These sort are out to put down all other gays so that they can feel like the only gay in the village. Huhuhu.

C'mon man, why were you eyeing the lads instead of the lasses? Fess up...I'm sure your beard (wife) will forgive you.

[Guest aycee]

Then what about bodybuilding, its not even a sport in the olympics, its much worse then this, yet its still allowed in sea games. That guy is irritating with his ignorance

Ya! Next time might as well have a bodybuilding contest whereby all the contestants have to wear leotards on stage!

[orca888]

who is this george lim guy? gosh....sounds so ignorant and discriminating and judgemental....

heterosexual children????

I have a super-homophobic relative, disliked gays and eventually, his two children turns out to be the biggest gays in town, painting the town red every sunday at Zirca gay night...

mind you george, dont try to play God la....and by the way, why are you in this gay website in the first place, haha....u sure are a closeted case...

It's called irony :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Guest Guest]

They were bare-chested and wore loosely fitted knee-length trunks that exposed their pelvic bones below the waistline. They strutted and pranced in their scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.

he should be given a job as a erotic writer

This george must be some out of shape , hair , fat old man who never play any sports.

Athletes are welcome to play their sports in any attire they like, just as the romans do their olympics nude to show the audience their best form. (not encouraging nude sports in public thou)

George obviously do not have lean bulging muscle that do not understand the freedom of topless or wearing tights for sports.

Athletes should be praised and look up to , regardless of wether you like what they are wearing.

You should be educating your kids to look up to the athletes and cultivating a healthy sporty lifestyle.

You do not impose your beliefs and religion on All men, what have your father or mother taught you that we live in a multi-racial and culture and we will impose tolerance and embrace the different types of men and woman that cross your path.

Sports that allow male athletes to train semi-nude are swimming, water polo, windsurfing and sumo wrestling. But gymnastics is a sport that requires proper leotards for women and body-fitting singlet and shorts or tights for men.

OMG obviously he do not play or watch sports. Obviously he is not a team player to be in sports either.

We do not restrict the dresscode to play our sports. We can play soccer in just our compression tights, running shorts for street soccer, running in tights, trekking and cycling. Nearly most sports we bare our chest because of this fricking humid and hot weather. We do not restrict men of all sizes , color and shape to bare their chest wether to exercise, chill and cool down from the hot weather in Singapore. Including the old man at kopitiam and hawker center.

but in anyway , you should also realise singapore is starting to loosen censorship, showing partial nudity on tv and showing topics of gay/bi/trans on media.

We have to do it because Singaporeans conservatives are just blinding themselves with the obvious and our Asian country is lagging behind others in accepting bold statements in their face.

Otherwise these conservatives gives extreme comments like george that Do not embrace the country's vision of multi racial nation and harmony.

I am so disgrace of a Singaporean writing such a letter of displeased. It will be a laughing stock if this letter were to be read by other country people.

Lastly You can Wear anything You like , course you are born this way

[greysuperhero]

What a strong choice of words. Seems to me that this idiot has not seen bare-chested men before. Pretend to be pure and chaste summore....

HAHAHAA I like the choice of words! If I didn't know any better, I would say he's a closeted homosexual!

[Undies69]

Hey GUYs... dun feel angry or be frustrated over someone who wrote those messages..

Everyone got the right to do whatever they like...

Its CLEAR evidence that George Lim is trying to pretend to be a happily married men wif 4 kids........ If he is Hetero enough, he wont be visiting this forum in the VERY first place...

He is nothing but a Brainless Dad who tries to act cool....

Anyhow, he will get his retribution on his LOVEd ones someday.... So we as GAYs Do not need to curse him at all.... Let his GOD punishes him ....

Edited November 22, 2011 by Undies69

[Guest Marad44]

George Lim Heng Chye' timestamp='1321497932' post='342568']I was at the Bishan Sports Hall and strutted and pranced in scant garments that covered only the anatomy between the lower waist and the kneecaps.I swung vigorously to expose the pubic area to the onlookers. It is the urge to bare torso without any decency. Allow male athletes to train nude and single.for George Lim Heng Chye

Read quote above. Brevity is the soul of wit. Strike out a few words here and there and Voila! .May a thousand thunderbolts strike me dead.

Edited November 22, 2011 by Marad44