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After the issue on "curved-bridge" , do you this will work ?

* Singapore wld think ahead of more people jamming the Sentosa casino during weekend and desert the cool Genting....

# Malaysia wld want all those rich expats to come over and shop and short-stay there and enjoy better value-for-money deals....

Win-win deal ?..........

Siemens keen on KL-S'pore high-speed train deal

SIEMENS, a global expert in high-speed rail technology, is keen to be the technology provider for the proposed high-speed train project linking Kuala Lumpur (KL) to Singapore.

The project, proposed by YTL Corp Bhd, is now under the Malaysian Government's consideration. Singapore has expressed interest in the project and both governments are expected to begin detailed talks this year.

YTL's current rail proposal involves travel time between KL and Singapore being cut to just 90 minutes compared with existing KTM trains which take about seven hours.

"Ideally, it would begin from KL Sentral, linking the airport and Johor Baru and Changi Airport - that would make sense to me because inter-modal exchanges are most important.

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i thought malaysian government said it is still under their consideration, only singpore that is express their interest.... how come many ppl speak on behalf of them?

How come ppl here are so sensitive and gave comments without read the article properly? :swear:

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The latest thing i heard was that the Johor government is against it. They feel that if a Malaysian company is building it, the train should stop at Johor instead, in other words, its only between KL and Johor. They are very firm on this with the Malaysian government.

Singaporeans will have to go to JB to ride it. I guess their rational is that if it is between KL and Sg, Johor would be by-passed, and they wouldn't like that. The JB government want to make JB important, its their obligation.

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whatever, but don't insult other countries or give unfair comments even you don't like " her ", be mature & respect others, if you don't like that country nearby then don't go, very irresponsible saying something bad esp if it's not true or worst don't know anything at all, it does not make yourself look smart & wise but childish.

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No worry reflection, firstly my post not for you :D , i like to read discussion from BW & happy that people share views with one another, however some people ( believe you have been aware ), they just post in, in order to stir up a flame & talk rubbish just to insult Singaporean etc. What they brought out seem happen more in their own country & even worst as told earlier.

You don't need to apologize, I can't & won't accept cos you really done anything wrong :D

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Personally, if it benefits both countries, then it’s good idea but both needed to sort out the relocation of KTM train station at Tg. Pagar where already stagnant for some years.

Another issue, the ticket price for bullet train should attractive as presently there is no budget airlines flying btwn Spore and KL and the flying time about 45mins, if the bullet train’s ticket price is reasonable then there are takers, if not businessmen would prefer to take aeroplane.

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Wow how nice if we can hop onto the bullet train and get to KL in less than 1hr.and experience all the gay saunas and massage palours in KL.The bad news is all the saunas in sg will be out of business.

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I think the worst news is, AIDs cases is going to increase over at this 2 location

Good thing is, my mum and I can access to Chee Cheong Gai at a weekly basis :lol:

pocket burn hole liao :P

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Wow how nice if we can hop onto the bullet train and get to KL in less than 1hr.and experience all the gay saunas and massage palours in KL.

I don’t think the bullet train could reach within an hour, if aeroplane took 45mins from Spore to KL with speed of 700-900kmH and the fastest bullet train (Shinkansen) ran at 300kmH, so likely about 2-hrs from Spore to KL.

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Recent News:

 

1. Foreign Minister K Shanmugam says the high-speed rail link between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur goes beyond economics.

 

2. Singapore—KL rail link goes beyond economics, says K Shanmugam

 

3. 学者:樟宜建高铁终站最理想 方便各方乘客

 

如果在樟宜机场,同时还可以有高铁作为一个选项,来供这些旅客能够继续他的旅程,进入到马来西亚的话,我想对于樟宜机场未来长远的发展,甚至对马来西亚,高铁沿线发展的带动,都有它绝对正面的帮助。” 国大土木与环境工程系副教授李德纮博士告诉记者。

 

 

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ASSOC PROFESSOR LEE DER-HORNG E-Mail [1][2

 

I hope somebody can email this link and tell him take a look at the following posts.

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Dear A.Prof Lee,

 

I am afraid your ingenious idea (building high speed rail link at Changi) will not work. I do not have a PhD, but I can reason with you why it will not work.

 

Reasons below:

 

Reason 1. 

When tourists come to Singapore, they must spend money. How to make these tourists spend money? Make them buy ezlink card and take MRT or spend money on taxi, and/or buses.

 

By locating it at Changi, it is not feasible. Your suggestion is providing the convenient sake for these tourists to save money and time in transport!

 

No objective of contributing ($) dollars & cents to our country! 
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Reason 2. 

 

I wonder whether did you (A. Prof Lee) have pass your GCE 'O' Level geography or not? Malaysia high speed rail will definitely run along west coast of Peninsula Malaysia. 

 

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Reason 3. 

 

On Malaysia side, high speed rail link is likely to run pass Gelang Patah, Pekan Nanas and etc. 

 

(I). Malaysian Government will not be stupid to build rail link through Pasir Gudang, Kota Tinggi, zig-zag here and there to KL!

(II). Malaysian Government will not be happy to spend extra money to build rail link at/near Pasir Gudang, passing Johor Bahru and zig-zag to KL! 

 

If you insist and suggest to Singapore Gov't stationing High Speed Rail Link starting at Changi, that means, Singapore Gov't is going to find trouble for Malaysian Gov't.

 

 

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Reason 4. 

 

If Singapore Gov't wants to please Malaysia, and insisting building at Changi, that means it must cut across the heart of Singapore and building towards Tengah reservoir! 

 

Which means, 

1. Extra cost and labour for Singapore Gov't!

2. Causing pollution and disturbance to all people! He himself said: "它所产生的噪音、振动和电磁波辐射" (see report)

3. Massive urban restructuring!

 

If adopted, it is a god darn stupid decision.

 

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Conclusion:

 

This shall be the plan that works. See picture below:

 

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1. Tourists spend money in our transport system (bus, MRT, taxi) going to Tuas.

2. No extra burden for the people.(pollution, disturbance is minimised)

3. More urban planning (housing, industry) on the west for Singapore. More lively on the western side.

4. No extra cost for our Gov't.

5. Malaysia will be happy.

 

Dear A.Prof Lee, would you kindly award me your PhD? Also, I do not understand why Singapore media always interviewing you?
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It seems like they've already earmarked some towns for the railway to pass through: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/2/21/nation/12738038&sec=nation

 

Thank you for provding the link. Very useful!  :thumb:

 

Quote from the link: 

These towns are Seremban in Negri Sembilan; Ayer Keroh in Malacca; and Muar, Batu Pahat and Iskandar Malaysia in Johor, said Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha.

 

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tuas is a better choice for high speed cos of the noise. if sg can also build a tourist bus terminal at tuas will definitely be even great! thus will ease woodlands. tuas is mit residential area so minimal disturbance. we lack of bus terminal like larkin.

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tuas is a better choice for high speed cos of the noise. if sg can also build a tourist bus terminal at tuas will definitely be even great! thus will ease woodlands. tuas is mit residential area so minimal disturbance. we lack of bus terminal like larkin.

 

Maybe one of the reasons of doing it at Changi may be to integrate it with Changi Airport somehow, to entice passengers from certain places in Malaysia to use Changi Airport as opposed to KLIA. Many European cities have high speed rail serving airport stations in between cities.

 

If they intend to run it from Changi, then the rail link between there and Johor, or the tip of Singapore nearest to Johor would probably be underground so as to maximise use of space. The trains would also not run at very high speed between Singapore and Johor as there is insufficient distance for acceleration.

 

Just my thinking based of having experienced high speed rail in other countries, not sure how it will translate into real world application here.

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Also, just so you guys know, on the current KTM system, a ticket from Woodlands to KL costs SGD33 while a ticket from JB sentral to KL costs RM33.

If the high speed rail uses the same ticketing system, we might as well cross over and buy our tickets there. Doesn't matter of its from Changi or anything to me, let the price do the talking.

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Also, just so you guys know, on the current KTM system, a ticket from Woodlands to KL costs SGD33 while a ticket from JB sentral to KL costs RM33.

If the high speed rail uses the same ticketing system, we might as well cross over and buy our tickets there. Doesn't matter of its from Changi or anything to me, let the price do the talking.

 

Somehow I don't think this will be the case for the high speed rail. For one the KTM system is operated solely by Malaysia whereas the high speed rail will likely be operated by both countries. For some people, time is more important than money, but at the same time the current KTM system is flawed as it is very easy (or it was very easy - I haven't taken the train in ages) to buy a ticket from Singapore to JB in SGD and then JB to KL in RM.

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Somehow I don't think this will be the case for the high speed rail. For one the KTM system is operated solely by Malaysia whereas the high speed rail will likely be operated by both countries. For some people, time is more important than money, but at the same time the current KTM system is flawed as it is very easy (or it was very easy - I haven't taken the train in ages) to buy a ticket from Singapore to JB in SGD and then JB to KL in RM.

 

You might be right, but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

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Maybe one of the reasons of doing it at Changi may be to integrate it with Changi Airport somehow, to entice passengers from certain places in Malaysia to use Changi Airport as opposed to KLIA. Many European cities have high speed rail serving airport stations in between cities.

 

Wait Malaysian PM not happy. Like the picture in this post.

 

KLIA wants to be number one too! Malaysian Gov't already knew Singapore has an ideal of placing at Changi, so they will sure die-die insist their (on Malaysia's side) starting point near to or at Iskandar. They are definitely not going to benefit Singapore's Changi Airport. 

So, it is Singapore's problem to find a way to join to Iskandar leh

 

If 'High Speed Rail Link' were to start at Changi, how to join to Iskandar without going through Woodlands (Singapore Gov't already sounded they do not want to go through Woodlands)?

 

Worst to worst, entire project call off. I am not surprised if Singapore initiated. Afterall, not "siia-swaay" wat.

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I am very sure High Speed Rail Link cutting through heart of Singapore (from Changi to Tuas) is confirm one big super issue!  :o
 
People will be very mad and unhappy! [Refer to post]. 
 
Do not forget, Singapore is extending MRT till Tuas. Singapore must make tourists pay for MRT, taxis, and buses. Make them spend money in Singapore.
 
However, we will be very sure PAP loose seats if Gov't insisting to cut through heart of Singapore. Ramping right across the old man ancestors bury ground. *I knew exactly where the ancestor tombs of the old man.
 

 

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Would it make sense to have the Singapore station somewhere in the Northern or Western region of the island?

 

Woodlands seems to be a HOT spot with the new Thomson Line (supposed to be up around 2020).

Personally I would like to see the train leaving from the city, say Newton or Rochor.

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Correction: the Iskandar Region covers the entire Johor Bahru District, which includes Pasir Gudang.

Nevertheless, it is definitely not feasible to have the high speed rail pass thru Changi. It would have to mean passing thru the heavily-industrialised Pasir Gudang.

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Perhaps the authorities should request for public opinion (which we know will NOT be taken in consideration!) about the viable locations of this high-speed rail station... If you had taken the Nozumi shinkansen before, you will realise that the train stops at Shin-Osaka rather than the main Osaka station.

 

I mentioned Newton because it is convenient to commute around as it is fairly central.  I cannot imagine the station to be at Tuas because it is a little out of town ....

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I am very sure High Speed Rail Link cutting through heart of Singapore (from Changi to Tuas) is confirm one big super issue! :o

People will be very mad and unhappy! [Refer to post].

Do not forget, Singapore is extending MRT till Tuas. Singapore must make tourists pay for MRT, taxis, and buses. Make them spend money in Singapore.

However, we will be very sure PAP loose seats if Gov't insisting to cut through heart of Singapore. Ramping right across the old man ancestors bury ground. *I knew exactly where the ancestor tombs of the old man.

What has he done to deserve such vindictive wish? Did he kill your parents? Did he torture you? Did he humiliate you?

To do this great evil to someone else, are you sure he deserve it? How will you be judged in heaven yourself?

News: Four new MRT stations for Tuas West extension

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Would it make sense to have the Singapore station somewhere in the Northern or Western region of the island?

 

Woodlands seems to be a HOT spot with the new Thomson Line (supposed to be up around 2020).

Personally I would like to see the train leaving from the city, say Newton or Rochor.

 

 

Singapore Gov't long wanted to get-rid of Tanjong Pagar KTM railway station! I am sorry that can't share the actual reason here.

 

 
Believe me or not, Singapore Gov't so happy and can't wait to tear down the entire Malaysian railway link. 
 
Now, your suggestion to have it in Newton is impossible. 
 
1. It is a big NO. I can confirm. Newton or Rochor is not far from Tanjong Pagar KTM railway station.
2. Big pollution and involving massive urban layout re-structuring - Gov't does not want to do that. MRT plan, buildings, roads have been finalised. 

 

 

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Correction: the Iskandar Region covers the entire Johor Bahru District, which includes Pasir Gudang.

Nevertheless, it is definitely not feasible to have the high speed rail pass thru Changi. It would have to mean passing thru the heavily-industrialised Pasir Gudang.

 

 

 

I agree. Looks like everybody knows High Speed Rail Link should not be stationed at Changi Airport.
 
 
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Assoc Prof Lee appeared in the t.v. suggesting to build at Changi? My goodness, he is really "jzar liao bee".
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I mentioned Newton because it is convenient to commute around as it is fairly central.  I cannot imagine the station to be at Tuas because it is a little out of town ....

 

1. You can forget about Newton. It will not happen. 

 

 

2. Changi Airport also out of town. Everybody goes to the east and take plane. Given your reason building it at Tuas is out of town is not a good reason. 

 

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Would it make sense to have the Singapore station somewhere in the Northern or Western region of the island?

 

Woodlands seems to be a HOT spot with the new Thomson Line (supposed to be up around 2020).

 

 

Built at North? - Unlikely.

Reasons below:

 
1. Gov't already sounded they do not want it at Woodlands.
 
2. Woodlands residents will be unhappy. If were to build there, I am very sure all these people (right click) will be affected and their iron rice bowl will become candles and joss sticks.
 
3. Station it at Lim Chu Kang (consider to be part of north) is unlikely. Why?
(i) Building such a short rail-way link across the straits might as well don't build. Wasting money.
(ii) Close to military training ground.
 
 
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Thanks for the link.
 
Property market is bright outlook in Malaysia.
 
We can't see any contributing factors which benefits Singaporeans at the moment.

 

When the link is done (if it ever will be implemented), Spore will export its inflation to Malaysia.

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When the link is done (if it ever will be implemented), Spore will export its inflation to Malaysia.

Actually it already is. The price of homes in the Iskandar region have grown as more Singaporeans are choosing to buy property there and commuting daily to Singapore. That's what my aunt is doing and her kids are currently studying at that Marlborough school.
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The other thing they will have to sort out, which will be a point of contention, is the immigration policies between Singapore and Malaysia.

For the Eurostar between Brussels/Paris and London, you clear both UK and EU immigration before you board the train on whichever side you are travelling from. Can both governments work towards a similar conventional immigration policy? Or will they again resort to using some out of this world procedures similar to that used when the KTM station was at Tanjong Pagar? (You get stamped into Malaysia at Tanjong Pagar before you get stamped out of Singapore at Woodlands)

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The other thing they will have to sort out, which will be a point of contention, is the immigration policies between Singapore and Malaysia.

For the Eurostar between Brussels/Paris and London, you clear both UK and EU immigration before you board the train on whichever side you are travelling from. Can both governments work towards a similar conventional immigration policy? Or will they again resort to using some out of this world procedures similar to that used when the KTM station was at Tanjong Pagar? (You get stamped into Malaysia at Tanjong Pagar before you get stamped out of Singapore at Woodlands)

 

 

Good! You are aware but you don't have to worry. Custom clearance and checks are the least difficult to handle.  :)
 
I do not have a PhD but I  know what is going to happen in the norm.
 
As usual, Singapore has no balls and will still be kind and polite to Malaysia. Why? KhawBW (an ex-malaysian) always say 'yes' to his motherland (Malaysia) and he cannot be "guai-laan" Malaysia - LOL just joking. Even after the disputes (water package and Pedra Branca), all Singapore Ministers still smiling ear to ear, with their body bowing towards Dr. Mahathir, Abdullah Badawi  and Najib Razak! Agree? 
 
We will expect:
1. Malaysian immigration will be done in Singapore before train leaves Singapore boundary. 
2. Malaysian immigration personnels will be earning extra Singapore dollars. 
3. Singapore Gov't to donate a piece of land and build staff accommodation apartment for Malaysian immigration personnels.
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Actually it already is. The price of homes in the Iskandar region have grown as more Singaporeans are choosing to buy property there and commuting daily to Singapore. That's what my aunt is doing and her kids are currently studying at that Marlborough school.

 

 

I knew many Singaporeans went to Malaysia. They (Singaporeans) are working in Singapore but returning to their "home" crossing the straits. They don't call Singapore their home man. 
 
Singapore is one of the most expensive developed cities to live in. Please don't blame Singaporeans. Readers should know who to be blamed.  :B) 
 
Singapore aiming to be number ONE in medical, economic, education, biotechnology, seaport, aviation, bus-transportation, law, anti-corruption, defense, (you name, we have it) and now, here comes the bloody space technology! Sickening isn't it?  <_<
 
 
 
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I do not understand why Singapore always wanted to be number ONE. Churning out number one standard people killing/trashing own people. :-(
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When the link is done (if it ever will be implemented), Spore will export its inflation to Malaysia.

 

 

You are right! 
 
More investment going to Iskandar project, the more inseperable!
 
IF Malaysia and Singapore relationships become sour (war with Malaysia is totally impossible and it will never happen), we'll be seeing Singaporean businessmen begging and grabbing Singapore's Gov't laam-paar liao. By then, we will be seeing PM visiting Johor Sultan and apologise to Malaysians.  (Just like LHL visited Taiwan (see report here [1][2]), LKY immediately flew to China to apologise.)
 
I wonder how come Singapore didn't come out a package deal to negotiate? High Speed Rail Link.is proposed by Malaysia. Singapore do not need it all. After all these years, Singapore is still doing fine without the need of High Speed Rail Link. Malaysia should talk to Thai Government to stretch the linkage rather than "ka-cjeow" Singapore. Without the Iskandar developement (with Singapore's billion dollars investment), High Speed Rail Link plan will not exist at all.  :huh:
 
However, Malaysian Gov't will not be thankful to Singapore. Singapore "ho-jzar" by Malaysia. 
 
May be, Malaysia Gov't knew KhawBW (an ex-malaysian) always say 'yes' to his motherland (Malaysia), so they (Malaysia) purposely proposed to him this year   - I am joking  :P 
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KhawBW already mentioned. True enough, Singapore Gov't does not want to station it at Woodlands! Woodlands, Netwon, Rochor are out of the choices. 

 

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To decide to build it at Changi or Tuas, decision is not Singapore. The ball is on Malaysia's court and Singapore has no bargaining power

 

Two options now for Singapore Gov't to listen to Malaysia:

First Option: Malaysia wants it at Pasir Gudang - then, Singapore must "laan-laan" build it at Changi.

OR

Second Option: Malaysia wants it near/at Gelang Patah - then, Singapore must follow Malaysia's stainless steel bull nose hook, stationing it at Tuas. 

 

Based on three solid standing points from Malaysian Government,

1. Malaysia wants Pasir Gudang to be number two big port/shipyard after Port Klang. No hinderance/obstruction for ships entering Tekong and Ubin.

2. Malaysia dislike Changi Airport to be number one.

3. Malaysia's east coast is undeveloped yet.

 

Malaysia think for themselves and they choosing the best location - eventually, the track will be on west coast of Malaysia. Tons of opportunity on the West Coast (Southern tip) of Malaysia. Before Malaysia built the Legoland, they already have a blueprint for their future High Speed Rail Link. 

 

Now, we can guess and expect what Singapore Gov't going to do next!  

 

Dear ex-Malaysian KhawBW, location is no longer a secret. Why not directly announce and share with Singaporeans?

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