Hwa Chong Boy Beats Up Bus Captain

[nicefatboy]

Read in The New Paper about the Hwa Chong Institution boy who beat a bus captain cos he tried to retain the boy's girlfriend's ez link card which had problem.

The bus captain refused to retaliate cos he's just a boy and the boy had to be restrained by other passengers. He even tore the captain's pocket off the shirt.

Police were called in and boy's father actually kneeled to ask driver for forgiveness on son's behalf.

The school can say he's a good student but one must be accountable for one's actions.

What do those of you who have seen the article think

[oralb]

our education system has failed, again?

according to paper, the bus driver was slapped and his shirt was torn. yet in the statement the hwa chong boy gave, he only admitted that he had a struggle with the driver and hit him accidentally...

smart boy, know how to defuse the incident

[Guest Guest]

Don't let the boy go easily. The youngsters today are arrogant --- they should be taught !! to take the consequences of their actions.

[oralb]

hwa chong school boy? am sure the whole school plus the MP plus the community plus the canteen aunties will come in to plead for him.

in the end, i suspect community work or warning.

and the bus driver will forgive him publicly citing the boy's age plus good background.

yes i sound cynical, however such is life, esp in SG. so for those who are still studying or have kids that are studying, make sure they get into good schools...

[Guest Guest]

Hwa Chong good school meh,look at annabel chong she is "go od product" from that school eh

[Guest Guest]

The irony and extremes of life. Just a few months ago, we have an unforgiving taxi uncle running over a young man. Now we have a more forgiving bus uncle who seems prepare to let this young student go.

[Buaya]

We must NEVER let them go... Look, the father had to kneel on his behalf... Shame on him! The kid should be severely punished! Else, he will think that he can be let off easily just because he is deemed as a potential high flyer!

[Steman]

We must NEVER let them go... Look, the father had to kneel on his behalf... Shame on him! The kid should be severely punished! Else, he will think that he can be let off easily just because he is deemed as a potential high flyer!

Yup it does not mean that you are from a 'top notch' means you are a good guy lor......I remember 1 incident not too long ago onboard a bus from TPY going to Diamond...there was this grp of teenagers(not more than 16 i tink) who tried to argue their way out when the bus conductor tried to get a girl from the grp to pay for ticket as they claimed she was not issued one when she paid for it and they had a ongoing argument but luckily they did not 'accidentally' hit the uncle and tore his pockets......wonder how the parents are teaching their kids nowadays.....they seemed worse than my times around 15 yrs ago.......

[oralb]

taxi driver knocking down the man case was another sad story

i guess the initial accident involved wasnt major, but the consequences turned out otherwise.

recently there was another case which a drunk car driver hit a few cars in the carpark, one of the car owner stood in front of the car to prevent it from moving away, luckily that incident turned out to be ok.

linking this to the "I have my rights" thread you can see that exercising rights should come with more thinking

[Guest Guest]

hwa chong school boy? am sure the whole school plus the MP plus the community plus the canteen aunties will come in to plead for him.

oralb, I agreed with you. In Singapore, if you're branded with "good' background, you're always good even you make a grave-mistake. People (who has head-and-face (sorry, directly translated from Chinese) ) will stand-up to plead for you -- citing your past: good school, did lots of charity works, blah blah .... and then, OK you "good boy" go do some social works with some warnings. On the other hand, if you're already branded as "Pai-kgia" then you'll be stoned for your mistake now and also quoting your past mistakes too.

[Guest Guest]

I do not believe the problem lies exclusively with the young. Their mindsets and thinking area at large shaped by their parents, friends, school, community.

It is a worrisome sign that few are concerned about...

Totally agreed

"Good & Famous" school only make these students more arrogant and daring to do anything.

Current environment, both parents are working = less time and energy to educate their young, its easier for the young to go bad.

School is just a place to learn education not moral.

[Andy@Tokyo]

maybe the HC boy is into SM?? and he had a crush on the bus captain

[Guest Guest]

I belive almost 60% are foreign students in each class room in each school both secondary and junior college.Do you think our local students influenced by the foreign stydents with different culture and family upbring?

[erection day]

I dont think this incident is indicative of the majority of teenagers today. But what makes me sit up and take notice is the fact that the poor father had to go down on his knees to beg for forgiveness. Even the abused bus driver had tears in his eyes when he witnessed that. Only a father would understand the unconditioned love and sacrifice another father has to give for the sake of his son.

[thaiboyz]

Fatherly love is so great and has clealy demonstrated. His son needs to be punished. if i were his father, i will give him few stroke of rotans when get home. This was how my parents disciplined us during those days. Should make him kneel for hours and making him remember the conseqences forever.

[oralb]

okay cynical mode again

i would believe the father wasnt thinking so much on the deeds his son did, more rather whether his son future be ruined...

[IkuTube]

Starlioned, a very neat and serious food for thought observation you've made there. :clap:

And as usual, our OralB has a very insightful point, "i would believe the father wasnt thinking so much on the deeds his son did, more rather whether his son future be ruined..."

In this case, just hope that the father will do more [re-train/re-educate/re-value] behind the closed door. There's no point getting his son pardoned and to continue life without reflecting the whole incident. Getting the whole community to back up one's background, and ignoring one's mistake, only will lift another ego.

[Asura]

极善化恶 极恶化善... Education System fail, more EVIL is created than GOOD

I think this society is about labeling and when you are labeled with the GOOD, no matter what you do, you will be forgiven.

If you are labeled the EVIL, even sacrificial deeds are consider hypocrite...

To me, the boy may just grow up to be more EVIL than the Beng we have in Singapore.

If I have a say, I suggest he should be punish with the worst possible punishment. Show the ELITE of the society that the more GOOD label they received, the worst is the hell gona be. End of the day, I do hope he laern the lesson of how to be a MAN, not a MACHO MAN infront of his puny GF...

If I am really devil, I would bring him on a tour to hell...

PS: Guest @ 12:46pm, this is not a matter and we should not drag the "Foreigners" topic in. If you vaguely remember, either of us maybe the orginal of this land. Our upbringing is the failure of ourself, we cannot bring the foreigners in and blame them.

Extra note guest, please do not drag in the foreigners issue here.

[Guest Guest]

ok asura it is a sensitive understood Tks

[Guest Guest]

asura, you're my hero.

[oralb]

asura, that's the point, here it is the elites who rule, do you think they will sacrifice one of their kind?

okay we may have sidetrack too much on his Hwa Chong background, i believed many humble folks came from there as well. so let's not dwell too much into the elite hwa chong thingy

[Asura]

just one more joke about Hwa Zhong. From my mum

She say she is from Nanyang Girls School last time, there is a slogan they always say

南洋女子中

读书不用功

走路屁股摇摇动

爱人在华中

Yes OB, there are a number of humble and good folks from there. But I think we are focusing on the changing of the attitute and upbringing of the youngster now-a-days. No matter where are they from. be it RJ, AC, National or such and such...

[Smiles]

What is becoming of our younger generation????

Furthermore, from a famous school. A school whereby many, many of our country's top earner, scholars, ministers comes from..........

Speak "well" of the school......

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

[dreamcatcher59]

very sad for the father to kneel down. Image the young guy face in public. Seeing your own dad kneeling in front of a crowd. It is so humilating.... I would never do anything to disgrace my parent. After all i was brought up with love.

[homeboi]

one of the minister's son is in hwa chong, he is not in very good grade that's why is father came out with a new education system.... to help the needy or him ??? i think something called the express class ???

....oops

[fisherman]

wat happen to the society now? this is a serious problem, to me is how the brought him up. nowsaday parent tend to allow their kids do wat they want.

Doesn't mean good school will produce good students. This is a wrong action, he has to be punished.

Parent will have to bear the responsible, is the brought up.

At my time, when school wan to conduct public canning, parent will support and said go ahead.

Now the school can't even touch the students, if not complain again. Students nowasday, getting bad and bad. it will run out of hand with them.

so sad.

[Buaya]

nowsaday parent tend to allow their kids do wat they want.

So true!

Actually, it is also primarily a result of a loss of certain traditional values...

I recall seeing a family going for dinner and the parents actually allowed the kids to

1) eat with one hand (the other arm hanging lifeless) and

2) eat a mouthful and then LIE on the chair and sleep and then eat again and repeat!

If it is my parents with me being the kid, I would have kena for using only 1 hand to eat my meal 'Your other hand handicapped ah' and then double kena for sleeping while eating 'You pig ah?'... The 2 acts are considered to be extremely rude and reflects badly on upbringing... But these are seen almost daily now with the children nowadays...

If the parents are not even teaching their children are little things like these and other acts like running around in food courts (a child almost ran into me carrying a sizzling hotplate and I got a scolding from the CB father), shouting and playing in libraries and respecting teachers, their children will grow up with no manners at all! And no respect for others...

Sigh...

[Guest Guest]

Buaya, I fully agreed. Luckily you're gay and will not need to worry about educating kids ! unless you're one of the teachers. But, kids are innocent. They learnt from parents at their early age. “龙生龙，老鼠的儿子打地洞”嘛！

[oralb]

other acts like running around in food courts (a child almost ran into me carrying a sizzling hotplate and I got a scolding from the CB father)

now this is a stupid act that i cant stand, food court pple carry hot stuff, kids running around, just feel like a scene from Final Destination...

call me cruel, but when i am carrying hot stuff and there are kids running around, i would extend the platter further away from me and prepare to splash it outwards.

a friend once saw this incident in a steamboat restuarant (steamboat! stupid parents) the boy was running, knocked into the waitress and the hot water scalded the boy's arm. Immediately the mother came and screamed at the waitress. Unlucky for her, the waitress was those loud mouth auntie type who didnt waste anytime to give the mother a dressing down for not taking care of the boy. The whole resturant then clapped to support the waitress and a few guys went forward to offer their contact details incase the mother complaint to the authority.

[Asura]

call me cruel, but when i am carrying hot stuff and there are kids running around, i would extend the platter further away from me and prepare to splash it outwards.

OB like that call cruel...

I had the same experience carrying a bowl of Bibimbab (hot stone bowl of Korean rice). A kid just play play and run into me, and I PURPOSELY drop the bowl, not on the kid also lah, but the content splash (enough to make the kid scream for his life). I immediately scold loud loud....

"哇！你這個妖壽仔，你爸爸媽媽沒有教你們不可以這樣亂

亂完的啊？我現在馬上打電話叫警察！" Picking up my phone as the parents were srampering to the kid...

The father bag me not to call police, I say no, since you don't know how to be parents, I will call the police than the reporter and make sure YOUR face appear in the newspaper and let everyone in SG and probably in malaysia, teach you how to cane your kids when you need to...

Cruel... with a bit of art in communication :twisted:

[Riko]

I think the generation of kids nowadays will grow up to be pole dancers... because from what I see in the trains, THEY LOVE POLES.

I once tripped a kid (on purpose, because firstly, he was annoying and second, the mother was cheering him on and third, IT WAS FSCKING PEAK HOUR), the kid fell, Mom picked up the kid and glared at me. I looked straight at her and gave her a smirk.

I am so evil.

[Guest haha]

I think the generation of kids nowadays will grow up to be pole dancers... because from what I see in the trains, THEY LOVE POLES.

I once tripped a kid (on purpose, because firstly, he was annoying and second, the mother was cheering him on and third, IT WAS FSCKING PEAK HOUR), the kid fell, Mom picked up the kid and glared at me. I looked straight at her and gave her a smirk.

I am so evil.

You are lucky the mother didn't rape you

[Buaya]

Fwah! I lose liao lor... I wanted to scold the CB father back, but I was with friends after a religious gathering (!!) and I was just too shocked to even think of replying...

I think I have to be more daring next time... My partner always ask me to trip a naughty child when he sees one... But I always brush it off as a joke... Maybe I should really do it one day...

Riko, I might even say '看设么看，跌倒活该。 会生不会教。 我在帮你教啊！'

[Guest Guest]

Wah...you all fellas so wicked.....!

But i like..... :clap:

[IkuTube]

It makes me to think, at what point does our moral value fail?

Looking at the family tree:

GrandParents ---> Parents ----> [us] ---> [Kids/Younger generation]

Each group always inculcate virtues and values down: what our parents learned from their parents are passed on to us. And the cycle goes on, what we learned from our parents, we pass it on to the younger generation. Certainly, we have been instilled with the importance of kindness, generosity, justice, truthfulness, honesty, patience, peacefulness, respect etc.

Has the world changed? Have Singaporeans becoming too materialistic? Have we become too engrossed with our desire to win? Is it because the space has become so small that we need to fight [harder] to breathe and gain our freedom?

Perhaps, we are flying with broken wings and unconsciously struggling jsut to stay afloat.

Hehe, thinking too much liow.

[Buaya]

The problem is, Iku, the young parents now (30s-40s) usually

1) think that their parents' ideas are outdated

2) think that their parents' ideas are ridiculous

3) think that their children are the best in Singapore, JB and maybe Batam...

Thus, they will not bother to inculcate what their parents teach them to their kids. Sometimes, they also take things for granted. They did not realised that it is inappropriate to eat with 1 hand and let the other arm swing like it is lifeless etc... These things never crossed their minds EXCEPT they remember their parents scolded them but they don't know the reason or see how impolite the action is... Because it had never been seen so far and they dun care...

[IkuTube]

The problem is, Iku, the young parents now (30s-40s) usually

1) think that their parents' ideas are outdated

2) think that their parents' ideas are ridiculous

3) think that their children are the best in Singapore, JB and maybe Batam...

Thus, they will not bother to inculcate what their parents teach them to their kids. Sometimes, they also take things for granted. They did not realised that it is inappropriate to eat with 1 hand and let the other arm swing like it is lifeless etc... These things never crossed their minds EXCEPT they remember their parents scolded them but they don't know the reason or see how impolite the action is... Because it had never been seen so far and they dun care...

How sad that such virtues and values, that are supposedly to be ingrained in us, can be easily forgotten. Question is, but why?

As in the song sung by Bon Jovi, probably we have given love a bad name.

One bad incident that I can recall:

I was second in the Q waiting to buy the 'peanut kueh" in the market. There were probably 3 or 4 others behind me. Suddenly, there came a mother, father and their daughter cut all our Q and went straight to make their order. The daughter kept saying "mummy, i want this", pointing to some of the kueh. The mother, ignoring all the stares from the Q, went on to make her order. And she got the cheek to ask her husband, obviously bird of the same feather, "You want some for later? Otherwise, you'll be hungry ah".

They left without even saying 'thank you' or 'sorry' to all those who had Q-ed before her.

[oralb]

buaya, the only way is to shame them. take your incident, i would have shout at them to q up.

alternatively, i would immediately walk to the stall owner and asked him why he served them when the others were queueing?

[IkuTube]

buaya, the only way is to shame them. take your incident, i would have shout at them to q up.

alternatively, i would immediately walk to the stall owner and asked him why he served them when the others were queueing?

Hehe, you'r very fierce leh , Mr OB *scared liow* but powderful courage :thumb:

Guess, the only way one can learn is to be reminded - either nicely or waiting to be insulted.

[oralb]

no lah, i know my right lah hahahahhahaa

we have 2 choices - let pple walk over us, then we have to suffer in silence or make a differences.

[Buaya]

Me and my ex tried scolding a couple of ladies who cut our queue at the ticket machine at one of the SMRT stations... One of the ladies started to quarrel with us and even call us ungentlemenly!... I was like 'WTF!"... In the end, I stopped the argument as it was embarassing... 2 young men vs 2 aunties... *Sigh*...

If aunties can do that, imagine what young children can do? Their children leh...

See iku's example... The mother is telling the daughter it is OK to jump queue... Queueing is a needless activity... Just walk to the stall owner and buy lah, why queue... I would have shouted at the aunty...

[GachiMuchi]

I personally would be the one who will shout at those who'd let the handphone ring during a show or I would asked the kids behind me to shut up during a movie.

Just can't understand, why some people lacks the civil mindedness and decency to off their handphones or tell their kids to behave during a movie or move to the rear of the bus, etc.

[oralb]

the key is be assertive, dont have to scold or raise voice.

i believe the better weapon is to shame those queue cutters, rather than scolding them and letting them have a chance to scold back, i would have say in a loud voice to the aunties "Hello auntie, in case you didnt see, the queue is over HERE"

and i will do it with a smile