Guest cuteguy Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 U always go mosque or help out in mosque u think u can.bcome muslim ah?ur cock still got to circumcise one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 所有的牧师就是光的使者? 盲目的信徒就是虔诚? 心灵上的皈依才是真正的信徒，假借上帝佛祖的名义招摇撞骗，更可耻，罪孽更深重。 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Buddhist Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 If i go church every week, am i a christian?If i not only go to church EVERY SINGLE week, but i also go around the world helping to build churches, does that qualify me more as a christian than the person who treats everyone fairly but do not go to any church or build churches?Btw, visiting the church boutique at mbs regularly doesn't quality one as a christian.It is not about being a Christian. It is about being with God and that is a very personal thing. God do not want you to overwork as a Christian. God want you to love him, rest upon him and let him do the work for you. Luke 10:38-42 (NIV) At the Home of Martha and Mary38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[a] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.” Well, from your post, you sound like Martha in Luke 10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pilgrim Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Romans 6: 4-5 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Luke 10:38-42 (NIV) At the Home of Martha and Mary38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[a] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”Well, from this story, it seems to say Jesus is such an attention seeker that badly needs blind adoration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.Romans 6: 4-5 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Simply put, one can do all the good works in life but chose to disbelieve in God will not be saved.Conversely you can do wicked things but if you accept God and know how to grovel at his feet, he may save you by his grace.That's the meaning of Christianity?Mana Logic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Simply put, one can do all the good works in life but chose to disbelieve in God will not be saved.Conversely you can do wicked things but if you accept God and know how to grovel at his feet, he may save you by his grace.That's the meaning of Christianity?Mana Logic!! It is not hard do conclude that all this is pure deception. Of course the organized religions need believers to exist.and so they make a virtue out of believing.Our believing is not as free as they make it appear.Belief has to be sincere, and so is often the belief that religious dogma is nothing but nonsense.Good deeds need to be made, and this is what should have value. And who can trust the Romans written by this guy Paul, who apparently is the inventor of Christianity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Christianity and its idea of salvation gives people a sense of hope. How many terminal cancer patients can actually accept their fate and try to make good of their remaining days instead of seeking out charlatans and quacks for a cure only to spend all their savings. Most people like to know that when they faltered, erred or sinned there is always a way to redeem themselves without paying the price. Accepting a savior who can atone, whitewash all your past deeds simply by accepting and believing is the easiest way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sounds like a business plan and transaction. Whitewash your sins by impying you need salvation from god resulting in more church attendance and tithes. Marketplace indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 There's nothing wrong. God is fair be it monetary or religiously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 There's nothing wrong. God is fair be it monetary or religiouslyGod is fair?! Erm, do you actually read the bible in its entirety? God likes to play favoritism. If you happened to be his blue eye boys like David, Moses, Abraham etc, then you can do no wrong including cheating, lying, coveting other people's wife. Otherwise he will smite you, burn you, drown you for the lightest misstep like offering an imperfect animal sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clickclock Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Personally I have a deep hatred for all things religious especially Christianity for what it has done to the human race and me. However, as I have to mindful for this thread, it's best I don't type it out here. I draw sexy men, visit http://www.toastwire.tumblr.com click on 'My Artworks'. Willing to take on comissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Please do not reply as a guess. so be it he plays favoritism, you are not putting forth him as unfair in anyways haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Personally I have a deep hatred for all things religious especially Christianity for what it has done to the human race and me. However, as I have to mindful for this thread, it's best I don't type it out here. Too late already, you have put it into the blogosphere that you hate the negatives side of religion, it is okay to have hate emotions , just don't act it out on somebody, that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Please do not reply as a guess. so be it he plays favoritism, you are not putting forth him as unfair in anyways hahaSure, I was too lazy to sign in. I was the guest who posted #507, 509, 512 if you really wanted to know."Playing favoritism" is being fair? Sigh, again confirmed my observation of believers like you to have warped sense of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sure, I was too lazy to sign in. I was the guest who posted #507, 509, 512 if you really wanted to know."Playing favoritism" is being fair? Sigh, again confirmed my observation of believers like you to have warped sense of logic. As you said, logic is for to been warped. Explaining something such as god is fair or not, i'm sure everyone warps their own sense for this to be explained in a put forth way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Christianity and its idea of salvation gives people a sense of hope.How many terminal cancer patients can actually accept their fate and try to make good of their remaining days instead of seeking out charlatans and quacks for a cure only to spend all their savings.Most people like to know that when they faltered, erred or sinned there is always a way to redeem themselves without paying the price. Accepting a savior who can atone, whitewash all your past deeds simply by accepting and believing is the easiest way out. Bernard Madoff and his Ponzi scheme also gave hope to many of his victims who believed they had made wise investments. The Christian churches are indisputably deceptive by claiming as FACTS that what is merely BELIEF. There is absolutely no PROOF that the Christian doctrine is factual. In the very probable scenario that the Christian doctrine is false, those who invested their faith in it will not realize the deception during their lifetime. If there is life after death, it will be too late to do anything about such deception because nobody comes back from the afterlife. Christianity and other religions take advantage of this fact to profit from this immunity since nobody can sue them from the afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Christianity and its idea of salvation gives people a sense of hope...Most people like to know that when they faltered, erred or sinned there is always a way to redeem themselves without paying the price. Accepting a savior who can atone, whitewash all your past deeds simply by accepting and believing is the easiest way out.Sins redeemed without paying the price? Yes we do not have to pay the high price of ending up in hell, but that doesn't mean we do not have to pay any price for our sins at all. Our sins are forgiven not forgotten, we still have to be accountable for our sins.Whitewash all our past deeds simply by accepting and believing. Are you sure? I think you have missed out the very important part of REPENTENCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 In the very probable scenario that the Christian doctrine is false, those who invested their faith in it will not realize the deception during their lifetime. If there is life after death, it will be too late to do anything about such deception because nobody comes back from the afterlife. Christianity and other religions take advantage of this fact to profit from this immunity since nobody can sue them from the afterlife.What profit are you referring to?When one party gains profit, another party will incur loss. But I don't see any loss in believing in a religion that teaches you to Love Thy Neighbour during your lifetime. So what if you realise the religion is fake after your death? I don't think you will regret doing good throughout your life, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 What profit are you referring to?When one party gains profit, another party will incur loss. But I don't see any loss in believing in a religion that teaches you to Love Thy Neighbour during your lifetime. So what if you realise the religion is fake after your death? I don't think you will regret doing good throughout your life, right? When you mention a religion that teaches you to love thy neighbor during your lifetime I assume that you are talking about Christianity. You don't fulfill the requirements of any Christian church by just loving your neighbor, not even by just doing good throughout your life.All the Christian churches I know require that you BELIEVE in Christ, in God, in the dogmas of the church. They require that you support the church with money.They require that you follow their rules, even those who have nothing to do with the good you do.They require that you are obedient to them in general. Their "profit" is not only your money but all the consideration you give them.If they get all that from you by ways of deception, you are a victim of their deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) What profit are you referring to?When one party gains profit, another party will incur loss. But I don't see any loss in believing in a religion that teaches you to Love Thy Neighbour during your lifetime. So what if you realise the religion is fake after your death? I don't think you will regret doing good throughout your life, right?You don't need a religion to teach you about love or to do good. The monotheistic religions comprising Christianity, Islam and Judaism also teach their followers to condemn and segregate the non believers. In fact if you read the bible, esp the OT, their God even instructed his followers to kill, pillage and rape the non believers. Edited December 4, 2015 by MadMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Sins redeemed without paying the price? Yes we do not have to pay the high price of ending up in hell, but that doesn't mean we do not have to pay any price for our sins at all. Our sins are forgiven not forgotten, we still have to be accountable for our sins.Whitewash all our past deeds simply by accepting and believing. Are you sure? I think you have missed out the very important part of REPENTENCE.Ask those convicted criminals, most will repent, but they can't escape punishment either in prolong incarceration or worse the death penalty. So they still have a high price to pay for their crime and misdeeds. For Christian faith, no doubt you have to repent but most importantly you need to accept Christ. Then all your sins got atoned, bcos Jesus died on the cross exactly for that purpose, and that is one of the basic tenet of Christianity. That's why I say most people like that concept, it's the easiest way out, just believe and repent, hey presto, you get to go to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 For Christian faith, no doubt you have to repent but most importantly you need to accept Christ. Then all your sins got atoned, bcos Jesus died on the cross exactly for that purpose, and that is one of the basic tenet of Christianity. That's why I say most people like that concept, it's the easiest way out, just believe and repent, hey presto, you get to go to heaven. Yes, that is a basic tenet of Christianity. And one that is justly challenged. Because the Atonement theory, which has many different formulations, was created by the early Christian church in its attempt to make Jesus Christ a god. It is a fabrication after-the-fact and nothing of this existed in the over one thousand years since the creation of the Jewish religion.This atonement violates basic principles of fairness and justice. It seems to be intended to attract naive persons to Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yes, that is a basic tenet of Christianity. And one that is justly challenged.Because the Atonement theory, which has many different formulations, was created by the early Christian church in its attempt to make Jesus Christ a god. It is a fabrication after-the-fact and nothing of this existed in the over one thousand years since the creation of the Jewish religion.This atonement violates basic principles of fairness and justice. It seems to be intended to attract naive persons to Christianity.Haha good one steve! And the guilty conscience too if i may add! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Do you think there is more than one god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ask those convicted criminals, most will repent, but they can't escape punishment either in prolong incarceration or worse the death penalty. So they still have a high price to pay for their crime and misdeeds. For Christian faith, no doubt you have to repent but most importantly you need to accept Christ. Then all your sins got atoned, bcos Jesus died on the cross exactly for that purpose, and that is one of the basic tenet of Christianity. That's why I say most people like that concept, it's the easiest way out, just believe and repent, hey presto, you get to go to heaven.Yes criminals still have to pay the price of their misdeeds, but not the highest price of a second death in hell for eternity. When the criminal who was crucified beside Christ believed in Him, was he raised to heaven instantly? No, he still had to serve his punishment on earth before entering the kingdom of God. Being a Christian does not give you the right to escape any punishment.Yes Christians have to believe and accept Christ, but it is not just simply the act of believing and accepting that matters. In fact, "believing" itself encompasses many things, including the death of your old self and be reborn in Christ which will result in a better you. There are many self-professed Christians who do not walk the talk, their characters after accepting Christ do not become better. Are they considered to be true Christians? Only God can decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 You don't need a religion to teach you about love or to do good. The monotheistic religions comprising Christianity, Islam and Judaism also teach their followers to condemn and segregate the non believers. In fact if you read the bible, esp the OT, their God even instructed his followers to kill, pillage and rape the non believers.You do not need a religion to teach you to love or do good, but many others may need.Can you quote the verse from the OT that instructs the Christians to persecute and violate the non-believers? This is something new to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 For Christian faith, no doubt you have to repent but most importantly you need to accept Christ. Then all your sins got atoned, bcos Jesus died on the cross exactly for that purpose... it's the easiest way out, just believe and repent, hey presto, you get to go to heaven.Just believe and repent... trust me, these are easily said but not easily done. Being a true Christian is never the easiest way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 You do not need a religion to teach you to love or do good, but many others may need.Can you quote the verse from the OT that instructs the Christians to persecute and violate the non-believers? This is something new to me.Don't have the bible with me now....But if you're a Christian who read your bible I'm sure you know about what Joshua did to the people of Jericho city? even children, helpless old folks, women and animals were not spared after Joshua sacked the city, aided by God in collapsing the walls.And what did God instruct Moses in Numbers(if I recalled correctly) after conquering the Midiannites? to kill every men, including boys, and women except those who have not slept with any men( meaning virgins?). To only keep the virgins, livestocks, precious metals etc, and to give part of that spoils to God treasury (wonder what a mighty God wants virgin women for?). Totally against today's Geneva convention stipulations, it's a war crime!You want more examples, you have to give me time to plough thru the bible again. It's the weekend, and I have to party :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Yes criminals still have to pay the price for their misdeeds, but not the highest price of a second death in hell for eternity. When the criminal who was crucified beside Christ believed in Him, was he raised to heaven instantly? No, he still had to serve his punishment on earth before entering the kingdom of God. Being a Christian does not give you the right to escape any punishment.Yes Christians have to believe and accept Christ, but it is not just simply the act of believing and accepting that matters. In fact, "believing" itself encompasses many things, including the death of your old self and be reborn in Christ which will result in a better you. There are many self-professed Christians who do not walk the talk, their characters after accepting Christ do not become better. Are they considered to be true Christians? Only God can decide.what makes you think the thief who was crucified next to Christ was indeed saved? In fact even Jesus himself at the end was doubtful when he was dying on the cross expecting the heaven to open and bring him up. With his last breath Jesus exclaimed "my lord, my lord, why have you forsaken me? " it seemed even Jesus was duped!? You're also correct to say that not many, in fact no one Christian can have the hubris to proclaim he Actually "walks the talk" of a Christian, that's why all the more the emphasis on god's grace to atone your sin. To remind you that another tenet of your faith is that everyone is born a sinner, thus the meaning of original sin. So it's easier to accept Christ and pray hard, literally, that hope that God is graceful enough to accept you into his temple of heaven. All others non believers, no matter how less sinful or how much more good deeds you accumulated, too bad, You will burn in hell. Edited December 6, 2015 by MadMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Do you think there is more than one godno one can prove it, we can see from the past, the war, all that i know, is people who like / are talking big, tend to do more evil act. Edited December 5, 2015 by snowball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 no one can prove it, we can see from the past, the war, all that i know, is people who like / are talking big, tend to do more evil act.My belief is that all ends up to one. So there is one god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 If to believe that there is only one, as well none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 My belief is that all ends up to one. So there is one god "So there is one god". You seem to follow the example of the organized religions: Turn a belief or even a speculation... into a FACT! This is DECEPTIVE.And at best, you are deceiving yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Just believe and repent... trust me, these are easily said but not easily done. Being a true Christian is never the easiest way out. "Just believe and repent". Easy or not easy, what does this accomplish? To repent may be easy and it is natural to happen. To believe is difficult if you have a rational mind that does not want to submit to some fantasies.Why is BELIEF in itself a virtue? It should not be, and we should let our rational mind choose what it thinks it is believable.But to force ourselves to believe in something that by all logic is false, just to take advantage of the benefits we are told this belief will bring us...isn't this pure speculative hypocrisy to benefit ourselves? Aren't we fooling ourselves? It looks like the churches push the indoctrination that BELIEF is a virtue that earns us the pardon for our sins so that we enjoy heaven for all eternity... TO ENTRAP US.This sounds strong, but think realistically about it. There cannot be anything negative in being skeptical about religious doctrines. Skepticism is one of our natural protections. Edited December 5, 2015 by Steve5380 Nightingale and MadMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FirsTimer Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 "So there is one god". You seem to follow the example of the organized religions: Turn a belief or even a speculation... into a FACT! This is DECEPTIVE.And at best, you are deceiving yourself. you deceiving yourself too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 "Just believe and repent". Easy or not easy, what does this accomplish?(Supposed to make you a better person on earth.)To repent may be easy and it is natural to happen. (Repentence is NEVER easy and does not come naturally most of the time. It takes lots of effort.) To believe is difficult if you have a rational mind that does not want to submit to some fantasies.(There are many believers with rational minds. They did not submit to fantasies. They CHOOSE to believe their Christian faith to be the truth, not a fantasy. Fyi, most orthodox churches do not go all the way out to brainwash people.)Why is BELIEF in itself a virtue? It should not be, and we should let our rational mind choose what it thinks it is believable.(Nobody says belief is a virtue. Believing is only the first step of the Christian journey. And nobody should be forced to believe. They should believe out of their own free will.)But to force ourselves to believe in something that by all logic is false, just to take advantage of the benefits we are told this belief will bring us...Firstly, no one should be forced. Secondly, how do you prove that it is something by all logic is false? If God is so easily understood and explained by logics, I will just treat Him like any other ordinary humans who are bound by logics. My ideal God is supposed to do the supernaturals, performs miracles and create wonders, not bound by logics or natural forces.)isn't this pure speculative hypocrisy to benefit ourselves? Aren't we fooling ourselves?(You use the word "benefit", so whats wrong with Christianity if it is beneficial to oneself?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) To reply post #539 above.Repentance does make one a "better person on earth", but believing in a phantasmogorical world and a supernatural being, NO!Agree that true repentance is never easy.Having a rational mind does not necessarily preclude one from submitting to illogical belief and having an unexplained mental clutch about ones affair. There are many examples of brilliant intelligent men/women who just cannot escape from the abuse and torture of their boyfriends/girlfriends, husbands/wives etc. you're right to say these people chose to believe, it's after all a blind faith.The onus to prove the existence of a God is on you, not us. The ideal god you're referring to is called Nature. Yes, nature can create wonders, perform the occasional miracles, but also bearing in mind any miracle cannot defy the law of nature. In other words, you cannot make the sun stood still in mid sky while Joshua performed a genocide, you cannot raise some one who was already dead for many days, you cannot survive in the belly of a fish for weeks, one cannot turn into a pillar salt just bcos she looked back, and it's absolutely ridiculous to believe you can tame and house the entire animal kingdom in an ark! That's "submitting to fantasies". You cannot believe just bcos it's written in the bible. There is such a term as falsifiable evidence.Does Christianity benefit oneself? The answer is moot. If being a Christian makes you feel guilty about your sexuality, makes you hate or look down on other religions, makes you judgemental and derisory, then the obvious answer is NO.There is absolutely nothing wrong with Christianity or for that matter any religion if one finds solace in such. But do not for one moment claim that your religion is the one and only true religion or only God or the only way to salvation. And let me reiterate, don't judge others, segregate others, persecute others just bcos they don't share in your belief system. Edited December 6, 2015 by MadMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Ask those convicted criminals, most will repent, but they can't escape punishment either in prolong incarceration or worse the death penalty. So they still have a high price to pay for their crime and misdeeds.For Christian faith, no doubt you have to repent but most importantly you need to accept Christ. Then all your sins got atoned, bcos Jesus died on the cross exactly for that purpose, and that is one of the basic tenet of Christianity. That's why I say most people like that concept, it's the easiest way out, just believe and repent, hey presto, you get to go to heaven. I don't understand why some Asians blindly believe in angmo fairy tales when angmo societies already are becoming tired of their own invention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 A very relevant article in The Straits Times today entitled "A morality tale about religion and fraud"...I tend to agree with Leslie Fong, the writer. It is about people's gullibility. Also read a recent article about a lady doctor who threatened his doctor father with a knife and bit his arm when he stopped giving to the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMan Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) If God is so easily understood and explained by logics, I will just treat Him like any other ordinary humans who are bound by logics. My ideal God is supposed to do the supernaturals, performs miracles and create wonders, not bound by logics or natural forces.)People in the dark ages could not fathom the acts of their God or gods bcos of the lack of scientific knowledge. But now we know what cause the volcanoes to erupt, earthquakes to happen, why lightning strike, the changing weather patterns that result in flood and drought. When astronaut ascend beyond earth's stratosphere, they found no pearly gates of heaven but an entire universe beyond. Sure ,there are still many unexplainable phenomenons waiting for science to dissect, but to attribute it to a illogical supernatural being is a shameful cop out of the entire human race. Edited December 6, 2015 by MadMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowball Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 It's a shame, calling others superstitious and dirty when he himself is cowardly and weak no much better than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) you deceiving yourself too Returning the 'deception' ball does not work here. When you wrote: "So there is one god", you are simply repeating what your organized religion put into your brain.I don't think that you know for sure, that you went to the supernatural to check that only one god is there! NO HUMAN among the seven billion we are has any certainty of how many, if any, gods exist up there. The reason is that there is no factual evidence of the existence of gods. Churches don't know either. It is fine if you BELIEVE that there is one god. But not if you affirm and assure that there is one god. Edited December 6, 2015 by Steve5380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirsTimer Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Returning the 'deception' ball does not work here.When you wrote: "So there is one god",you are simply repeating what your organized religion put into your brain.I don't think that you know for sure, that you went to the supernatural to check that only one god is there!NO HUMAN among the seven billion we are has any certainty of how many, if any, gods exist up there. The reason is that there is no factual evidence of the existence of gods. Churches don't know either.It is fine if you BELIEVE that there is one god. But not if you affirm and assure that there is one god.So then what do you know to discuss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 The usual retorts by believers are:"God will perform miracles to only those He has chosen.""You do not believe in God just because you can't see Him. You are being silly. He is supernatural, so no human can see Him.""There is Heaven & Hell & you can't see them because they are transparent.""God creates wonders. He gave us crops, animals & water . . . What? Earthquakes? Plagues? Droughts? Tsunamis? Deaths of the innocent? Well . . yes they are also created by Him but He has his own plans & we humans cannot know what they are.""Scientific method? Well, you can use Science but God is above Science. That's why Science cannot explain everything, especially things about Spirit, Heaven, Hell, etc."blah blah blahThat's a very strong defence mechanism, isn't it?They will express mock insult when presented with the evolutionary idea of men being descended from apes. Hello, it's evolution! Not your DIRECT descendents. Sensitive much? They will also claim dinosaurs never existed! This takes the cake of being blind and retarded. At least fossils and skeletons had been found. Who has ever seen remnants of noah's ark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ok some of them will claim adam and eve existed before dinosaurs. Try figuring that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Or god created dinosaurs. Was it ever mentioned in the old testament? I doubt so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Religion divides. Or rather, those religions that are intolerant divides. These are religions that accuse non-believers as sinners. It is also an emotional blackmail to force non-believers into believing. Why? because a lot is at stake in terms of income from donations and power, cos, more believers means more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Religion divides. Or rather, those religions that are intolerant divides. These are religions that accuse non-believers as sinners. It is also an emotional blackmail to force non-believers into believing. Why? because a lot is at stake in terms of income from donations and power, cos, more believers means more power. Only the western religions divide. Hindus believe Buddhism and Jainism to be acceptable schools of thought within Hinduism. Most Hindus believe that Buddhism and Jainism are a part of Hinduism. Hinduism and Buddhism have mixed heavily in places like Cambodia and Sri Lanka, similar to how Buddhism has mixed with Chinese religions or Shintoism. Hinduism and especially Buddhism are very liberal and tolerant religions. Buddhism is especially quite progressive. Hinduism is also a false name. The name was invented by westerners and isn't native to the Indian sub-continent. It's literally like labelling all of China's culture "Sinoism". Hinduism has philosophy, fiction, non-fiction and culture and the label is used incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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