Discussion On Being Gay & Christian (Compiled)

[Guest Guest]

They will also claim dinosaurs never existed! This takes the cake of being blind and retarded. At least fossils and skeletons had been found. Who has ever seen remnants of noah's ark?

Who says Christian do not believe in the existence of dinosaurs?

[Guest Guest]

The usual retorts by believers are:

"God will perform miracles to only those He has chosen."

...

blah blah blah

That's a very strong defence mechanism, isn't it?

Just like you also have very strong defence mechanism for those sickening PRCs!

[Guest Guest]

Islam has a way of strongly influencing people who follow it, far stronger than Christianity IMHO.

[Guest Guest]

There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson.

One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?”

The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs and act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that god commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”

“This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”

ETA source: Tales of Hasidim Vol. 2 by Mar

[Guest Guest]

Only the western religions divide. Hindus believe Buddhism and Jainism to be acceptable schools of thought within Hinduism. Most Hindus believe that Buddhism and Jainism are a part of Hinduism. Hinduism and Buddhism have mixed heavily in places like Cambodia and Sri Lanka, similar to how Buddhism has mixed with Chinese religions or Shintoism.

 

Hinduism and especially Buddhism are very liberal and tolerant religions. Buddhism is especially quite progressive.

 

Hinduism is also a false name. The name was invented by westerners and isn't native to the Indian sub-continent. It's literally like labelling all of China's culture "Sinoism". Hinduism has philosophy, fiction, non-fiction and culture and the label is used incorrectly.

 

Taoism, like Hinduism and Buddhism, teaches tolerance.

 

It also emphasizes kindness, moderation and being "big-heartedness". That is why when that pastor was found to bad mouth Taoism and Buddhism, leaders of both these religions forgave him. There was no big hooha nor violence.

 

These religions do good for the sake of doing good, not for the sake of glorification of their religions or for the sole purpose of converting others.

[Guest Guest]

There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson.

One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?”

The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs and act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that god commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”

“This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”

ETA source: Tales of Hasidim Vol. 2 by Mar

 

Very true.

 

And since not every person is a Christian, it is not appropriate to wish everyone "Merry Christmas"...In the West, they reply "Happy Holidays" now.

 

And in secular space like WhatsApp groups, I find it not appropriate when people say things like "Praise the Lord, Hallelujah or Amen". I thought it is only common sense to just leave it to within group who share the same belief.

[Guest Guest]

 

Taoism, like Hinduism and Buddhism, teaches tolerance.

 

It also emphasizes kindness, moderation and being "big-heartedness". That is why when that pastor was found to bad mouth Taoism and Buddhism, leaders of both these religions forgave him. There was no big hooha nor violence.

 

These religions do good for the sake of doing good, not for the sake of glorification of their religions or for the sole purpose of converting others.

 

 

Being tolerant religions, these religions are inclusive and celebrates diversity. They respect Nature. In Nature, it is normal to have a small population in any animal group that is gay. Therefore, these religions do not oppose gays, unlike intolerant religions which point an accusing finger at gays while not knowing that 3 other fingers point back at them. For example, that is why we have read about religious leaders of these religions that condemn gays who force themselves sexually onto their young followers.

[Guest Guest]

Who says Christian do not believe in the existence of dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs existed before men according to science. According to the bible, adam and eve were created first.

[Guest Guest]

Very true.

And since not every person is a Christian, it is not appropriate to wish everyone "Merry Christmas"...In the West, they reply "Happy Holidays" now.

And in secular space like WhatsApp groups, I find it not appropriate when people say things like "Praise the Lord, Hallelujah or Amen". I thought it is only common sense to just leave it to within group who share the same belief.

Lol what about mediacorp celebrities thanking god during star awards winning. You never see any of them say "thank buddha", "thank goddess of mercy" or "thank allah". Those gods are somehow less "hip" and "glamorous" to be thanked in that environment.

[Guest Guest]

So how are PRCs related to this thread, Auntie OCD Guest?  And if my defence is strong, does it mean your condemnation is weak?  LOL.

 

Why is it racist to say PRCs are low class?

 

 

Taoism, like Hinduism and Buddhism, teaches tolerance.

 

It also emphasizes kindness, moderation and being "big-heartedness". That is why when that pastor was found to bad mouth Taoism and Buddhism, leaders of both these religions forgave him. There was no big hooha nor violence.

 

These religions do good for the sake of doing good, not for the sake of glorification of their religions or for the sole purpose of converting others.

 

 

All eastern religions are tolerant, liberal and progressive. Western religions have brought more evil into eastern culture than eastern culture already had. I take issue with Confucius's view on gender segregation but Confucianism is still more progressive than any western religions and at least several western cultures..

 

 

Very true.

 

And since not every person is a Christian, it is not appropriate to wish everyone "Merry Christmas"...In the West, they reply "Happy Holidays" now.

 

Most western countries still parade the word "Merry Christmas" during December, it's only the USA that doesn't for some bizarre reason, despite USA being the most Christian country in the west.

 

 

 

Being tolerant religions, these religions are inclusive and celebrates diversity. They respect Nature. In Nature, it is normal to have a small population in any animal group that is gay. Therefore, these religions do not oppose gays, unlike intolerant religions which point an accusing finger at gays while not knowing that 3 other fingers point back at them. For example, that is why we have read about religious leaders of these religions that condemn gays who force themselves sexually onto their young followers.

 

Why pick on gays anyway? It's like picking on blondes! Many eastern religions and cultures not only tolerate gays but also celebrate them as if there were just another part of humanity.

 

I remember about those priests who abuse their congregation but I never read those stories. I think they were Catholic or Christian westerners.

[Guest Guest]

Some of you seem to side religions like Taoism, Buddhism etc for their tolerance over diversities.

But do you know in reality, many Taoists and Buddhists are not gay friendly? If not, why are so many gays in Asian countries choose to remain in the closet? Is it due to Christianity alone?

Pls wake up and open your eyes to see the real situation for yourself. Christianity does speak boldly about homosexuality as a sin, but it also teaches its believers to hate the sin but love the sinner.

Peace.

[Guest Guest]

Very true.

And since not every person is a Christian, it is not appropriate to wish everyone "Merry Christmas"...In the West, they reply "Happy Holidays" now.

It is the right thing to do! In fact, the bible has never told us the exact day of the birth of Jesus. It does not even mention a single thing about celebrating Jesus' birth too. Look around you, is Xmas really about Jesus? Many people celebrate Xmas with gifts, parties, booze and even sex. And the popularity of Santa seems to overshadow Jesus the so-called birthday boy. What has Xmas got to do with Jesus nowadays?

Many true Christians will just spend Xmas quietly with family and friends and attend special church service to give thanks to God for letting Jesus come to Earth as our saviour. To them, everyday is CHRISTmas.

[Guest Guest]

Some of you seem to side religions like Taoism, Buddhism etc for their tolerance over diversities.

But do you know in reality, many Taoists and Buddhists are not gay friendly? If not, why are so many gays in Asian countries choose to remain in the closet? Is it due to Christianity alone?

Pls wake up and open your eyes to see the real situation for yourself. Christianity does speak boldly about homosexuality as a sin, but it also teaches its believers to hate the sin but love the sinner.

Peace.

Can u enlighten us how to 'hate the sin but love the sinner' in the context of homosexuality?

[Guest Guest]

Some of you seem to side religions like Taoism, Buddhism etc for their tolerance over diversities.

But do you know in reality, many Taoists and Buddhists are not gay friendly? If not, why are so many gays in Asian countries choose to remain in the closet? Is it due to Christianity alone?

Pls wake up and open your eyes to see the real situation for yourself. Christianity does speak boldly about homosexuality as a sin, but it also teaches its believers to hate the sin but love the sinner.

Peace.

 

Prior to European colonialism, South Asia was a collection of numerous kingdoms and polities similar to South-East Asia. While the northern half of India was under the control of the Mughal Empire (the Islamic Turkic branch of the Chinese Mongol Empire), the southern half was independent of Islamic rule...

 

Since Southern India and Sri Lanka weren't part of the Mughal Empire, these two regions were very tolerant and amicable towards LGBT. One of the Sri Lankan kingdoms even had a gay monarch who was despised by western colonialists. If you ever look at temples in Tamil Nadu and other parts of Southern India you can see carvings of gays making love and having sex:

 

 

 

Even in places like China, Japan and South Korea, homosexuality has always been something openly discussed and celebrated. Japan has a long history of not segregating gays away from mainstream culture. Thailand has it's third genders and the most liberal place in Indonesia happens to be a Hindu enclave.

 

 

I remember this story about a Korean Buddhist monk who was openly gay and was sought by many gay lovers including the Chinese emperors of the Taoist Tang dynasty. South Korea also had it's adored homosexual Flower Boys who were respected by Buddhists as higher class.  Homosexuality is common in Chinese history originating from it's Taoist-Buddhist-Confucius era and Taoist gods even engaged in homosexual activity:

 

 

Western colonialists and western cultures introduced a shitload of homophobia into eastern culture.

[Guest Guest]

Did I ever say it is racist?  Where?  And since when are all PRCs low class?

Class isn't just about income. Ever seen how HK treat PRC like low class?

 

Again you have not answered "How are PRCs related to this thread on Christianity?"

That was a different poster.

[Guest Guest]

Did I ever say it is racist? Where? And since when are all PRCs low class? Again you have not answered "How are PRCs related to this thread on Christianity?"

"Hate the sin but love the sinner."

What an often-heard quotation said by many who do not mean what they say. If it is taught, is it learnt or practised? How widespread is this 'practice' of loving the sinner? (presuming that all gays are sinners) If so, why are gays in Sg living in constant fear of being exposed of their sexual orientation to strangers - let alone to family, friends & colleagues? Food for thought.

PRCs have nothing to do with this thread. It is the defence mechanism which you mentioned that causes me to cite the PRCs as example.

I do not like smokers, but I have family members and friends who smoke excessively. I can only remind them of the harmfulness of smoking but it is up to them to make a choice. Do I avoid them or unfriend them due to their excessive smoking? No, I still treat them as family members and friends.

I hate their smoking, but I do not hate the smokers, get it?

[Guest Guest]

* I do not like smoking...

[Guest Guest]

"Hate the sin but love the sinner."

What an often-heard quotation said by many who do not mean what they say. If it is taught, is it learnt or practised? How widespread is this 'practice' of loving the sinner? (presuming that all gays are sinners) If so, why are gays in Sg living in constant fear of being exposed of their sexual orientation to strangers - let alone to family, friends & colleagues? Food for thought.

You seem to have the idea that Christianity is the root of all homophobic fears in Sg. Matter of fact is, there are many Sgporeans who are not Christians yet they are homophobic.

Christianity preaches "loving the sinner", but whether the believers practice what was preached is beyond the control of the churches.

What about the other religions? Yes, they may seem indifferent to homosexuality, but do they explicitly teach their believers to accept the homosexuals even if they are against homosexuality?

[Guest Guest]

You seem to have the idea that Christianity is the root of all homophobic fears in Sg. Matter of fact is, there are many Sgporeans who are not Christians yet they are homophobic.

Christianity preaches "loving the sinner", but whether the believers practice what was preached is beyond the control of the churches.

What about the other religions? Yes, they may seem indifferent to homosexuality, but do they explicitly teach their believers to accept the homosexuals even if they are against homosexuality?

Remember the "kill the gays" bill? Or was that because they were blacks? 

[Guest Guest]

How did I defend the PRCs then? By making a fair statement? If you want to discuss this further, please proceed to the Flaming Room.

I have no interest in discussing the prcs with you. They were just being quoted as an example. You were the one who kept pressing for an answer on what has prcs got to do with this thread, hence the reply.

Since the prcs has nothing to do with this thread. Pls move on.

[Guest Guest]

Remember the "kill the gays" bill? Or was that because they were blacks?

What bill is that? Pls enlighten us with more info. Thanks.

[Guest Guest]

You can only speak for yourself. But do the homophobes practise your way of "loving the sinner & hating only the sin"? Obviously not. That's explains the great fear among gays here. And even you yourself dare not register as a member here even though registration is still anonymous. Self explanatory, get it?

Religions have no control whether the homophobes practice loving the sinner. They can only teach their believers, but cannot force them to do anything.

I am a registered member, but just couldn't be bothered to log in.

Yes, I have fear of coming out from the closet, afraid that my family and relatives cannot accept it, and for your info, all of them are non Christians.

[Guest Guest]

You seem to have the idea that Christianity is the root of all homophobic fears in Sg. Matter of fact is, there are many Sgporeans who are not Christians yet they are homophobic.

 

 

Prior to European colonialism, South Asia was a collection of numerous kingdoms and polities similar to South-East Asia. While the northern half of India was under the control of the Mughal Empire (the Islamic Turkic branch of the Chinese Mongol Empire), the southern half was independent of Islamic rule...

 

Since Southern India and Sri Lanka weren't part of the Mughal Empire, these two regions were very tolerant and amicable towards LGBT. One of the Sri Lankan kingdoms even had a gay monarch who was despised by western colonialists. If you ever look at temples in Tamil Nadu and other parts of Southern India you can see carvings of gays making love and having sex:

 

 

 

Even in places like China, Japan and South Korea, homosexuality has always been something openly discussed and celebrated. Japan has a long history of not segregating gays away from mainstream culture. Thailand has it's third genders and the most liberal place in Indonesia happens to be a Hindu enclave.

 

 

I remember this story about a Korean Buddhist monk who was openly gay and was sought by many gay lovers including the Chinese emperors of the Taoist Tang dynasty. South Korea also had it's adored homosexual Flower Boys who were respected by Buddhists as higher class.  Homosexuality is common in Chinese history originating from it's Taoist-Buddhist-Confucius era and Taoist gods even engaged in homosexual activity:

 

 

Western colonialists and western cultures introduced a shitload of homophobia into eastern culture.

[Guest Guest]

Why are you so defensive about Christianity? Never did I say Christianity is the root of homophobia. I only said that the phrase "Love the sinner but not the sin" is often heard but not widely practised by homophobes. As you've said, religious teaching has no control over the congregation. For Christ's sake, don't misread & overreact!

For whatever sake, this thread is about Christianity, if you are not talking about Christianity, then what are you talking about?

And do have some respect for other people's God and yourself by not using the name "Christ" so loosely.

[Guest Guest]

And how is class or income relevant to Christianity?  You still fail to answer.  And why choose such a nick to confuse yourself with "a different poster"?  You are such a troll.

 

Someone mentioned PRC so I thought I'd chip in. The poster who talked about PRC first was someone else.

[gstringuy26]

Most people will defend their religion so there's no end to it if you try and challenge. We just have to respect peoples choices. There's no right or wrong. We have to be very careful when dealing with such topic. 

[Guest Guest]

Most people will defend their religion so there's no end to it if you try and challenge. We just have to respect peoples choices. There's no right or wrong. We have to be very careful when dealing with such topic.

Strongly agree!

It is so not respectful to say For Christ's Sake even though the Americans are using it so commonly.

I believe Nightingale is a Taoist or Buddhist, I wonder how would he feel if the Christians say For Buddha's Sake or For Dua Beh Gong's Sake?

He is always acting like a hero for the prcs, making FAIR statements for them, but having no basic respect for other religions.

[Guest Guest]

So why would you want to chip in in the first place? You have misconceptions about me because you have not traced the beginning of that OCD Troll's feud with me back in December 2012, have you? You are only complicating matters.

You don't watch movies, do you? "For Christ's sake", "Jesus Christ!", "Jesus!", "Good Lord!", "Oh my God!" (OMG) etc. have been used zillions of time by zillions to express surprise, shock, wonder, horror & other exclamations. Am I talking to a prude? Geez!

First of all, I am not that troll from 2012. Trust me, you have incurred the wrath of many members, guests and trolls with your immature posts.

Secondly, I do watch movies, and I know the Americans even like to say God Damnit. The fact that you follow blindly what many others are doing without excercising any discernment simply confirms that you may be knowledgeable but are very immature.

[Guest Guest]

You have to admit, western religions did send us down a blackhole.

[Guest Guest]

You have to admit, western religions did send us down a blackhole.

Western religions? Such as?

By the way Christianity does not really has its origin in the West.

Ok, what about modern communist countries such as China where religions do not really have strong footholds. Are the people there more accomodating towards LGBTs?

[Guest Guest]

Western religions? Such as?

By the way Christianity does not really has its origin in the West.

Ok, what about modern communist countries such as China where religions do not really have strong footholds. Are the people there more accomodating towards LGBTs?

Well 377a was originated in Britain..apparently in order to establish the Anglican church

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Ecclesiastical roots in Britain under Henry VIII

Henry VIII, the monarch who enacted Britain's anti-sodomy laws

An analysis of the origin of British laws that sought to prohibit buggery and their evolution into Section 377 is found in an academic paper entitled 377 and the Unnatural Afterlife of British Colonialism in Asia by Professor Douglas E. Sanders at Thailand's Chulalongkorn University.[1]

In summary, the British anti-buggery law was enacted in 1534, taking over from ecclesiastical law. The wording used, which included "abominable" (taken from the book of Leviticus in the Old Testament), "buggery" (which, by the 13th century, had become associated with sodomy), and "vice", confirms its religious character.[1]:page: 2 It was formulated in the context of King Henry VIII's break from papal authority to establish the Anglican church. Its purpose was to justify the seizure of Catholic monasteries and the confiscation of their other wealthy properties. The pretext was the alleged sexual immorality of those in the religious vocation. Without this anti-Catholic agenda, it seems unlikely that it would have been enacted.[1]:pages: 5–6

Codification of law, particularly criminal law, became a major reform project in Britain in the 19th century, pushed by Jeremy Bentham and the utilitarians. Codes were well-suited to British colonialism, providing a single, orderly written version of areas of law - easy to enact for a colony.[1]:pages: 8–10

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377A_of_the_Penal_Code_(Singapore)

[Steve5380]

Only the western religions divide. Hindus believe Buddhism and Jainism to be acceptable schools of thought within Hinduism. Most Hindus believe that Buddhism and Jainism are a part of Hinduism. Hinduism and Buddhism have mixed heavily in places like Cambodia and Sri Lanka, similar to how Buddhism has mixed with Chinese religions or Shintoism.

 

Hinduism and especially Buddhism are very liberal and tolerant religions. Buddhism is especially quite progressive.

 

Hinduism is also a false name. The name was invented by westerners and isn't native to the Indian sub-continent. It's literally like labelling all of China's culture "Sinoism". Hinduism has philosophy, fiction, non-fiction and culture and the label is used incorrectly.

 

There is indeed  some superiority in the eastern religions and philosophies. 

It is regrettable that Christianity is making so much inroads into Asia and displace the eastern religions.

Maybe Christianity is more attractive because of its sweetness (all love everywhere..) and because it is foreign.

The same happens with the western junk food and junk drinks.

Maybe it is the principle of increase in entropy that forces the advancement of that what is junk?

[Guest Guest]

PRCs have nothing to do with this thread. It is the defence mechanism which you mentioned that causes me to cite the PRCs as example.

I do not like smokers, but I have family members and friends who smoke excessively. I can only remind them of the harmfulness of smoking but it is up to them to make a choice. Do I avoid them or unfriend them due to their excessive smoking? No, I still treat them as family members and friends.

I hate their smoking, but I do not hate the smokers, get it?

Smoking is acquired, homosexuality is not. They are on different levels, so they can't and shouldn't be compared. It's like comparing homosexuality with drug addiction, which is insulting to homosexuals and misleading too.

[Guest Guest]

"Hate the sin but love the sinner."

What an often-heard quotation said by many who do not mean what they say. If it is taught, is it learnt or practised? How widespread is this 'practice' of loving the sinner? (presuming that all gays are sinners) If so, why are gays in Sg living in constant fear of being exposed of their sexual orientation to strangers - let alone to family, friends & colleagues? Food for thought.

It's pure bullshit! It's like saying hate heterosexuality but love the heterosexuals. It makes completely no sense! Just SOME RANDOM AND POORLY DEVISED PR SPEWL BY THE CHURCHES WHICH IS NOT ONLY A LIE, IT'S COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP!

[Steve5380]

It's pure bullshit! It's like saying hate heterosexuality but love the heterosexuals. It makes completely no sense! Just SOME RANDOM AND POORLY DEVISED PR SPEWL BY THE CHURCHES WHICH IS NOT ONLY A LIE, IT'S COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP!

 

Now that in today's world there is an increased realization that homosexuality is not voluntary, it is not correct anymore to hate homosexuals (who are not responsible for their homosexuality).  To do so is equivalent to racism, the hate of people who are also not responsible for the color of their skin.

 

Religious organizations therefore have to change their tone and claim that they don't hate homosexuals (like they did during most of their history).  But they still face the conflict of their 'dogma' that forever has held homosexuality as SIN. They would lose prestige if they say that it was SIN in the past but it is not SIN anymore.  So their solution is to still condemn the SIN as if it is something separate of the sinner. 

 

Many in the US do the same about the increasing population of Hispanics, legal and illegal:  they "love" the Hispanics, but hate if they speak Spanish among them.

 

So today the churches love the homosexuals as long as they don't have homosexual sex. What a hypocrisy!

[Guest Guest]

Western religions? Such as?

By the way Christianity does not really has its origin in the West.

Ok, what about modern communist countries such as China where religions do not really have strong footholds. Are the people there more accomodating towards LGBTs?

 

Christianity is a Euro-Arab religion that was invented around the Mediterranean and Europe plays a huge role in the texts of Christianity, though it is up to debate whether the religion has origins from somewhere else. Islam and Judaism are both Arab religions. I use western religions as the opposite to eastern religions.

 

China IS religious, as are countries like Japan. Buddhism isn't even a religion in the eyes of most westerners. The majority of people have gotten their life philosophy from Buddhism, Taoism or Confucianism. Nearly everyone following a religion/culture with elements on Buddhism mixed in. e.g. The majority of Japanese still go to shrines and temples and reference Shintoism and Buddhism.

 

Maybe "paki religions" is a better term for western religions.

 

 

Well 377a was originated in Britain..apparently in order to establish the Anglican church

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377A_of_the_Penal_Code_(Singapore)

 

Western Christian British moral values were the root of homophobia in many places in Asia.

 

 

It is regrettable that Christianity is making so much inroads into Asia and displace the eastern religions.

Maybe Christianity is more attractive because of its sweetness (all love everywhere..) and because it is foreign.

The same happens with the western junk food and junk drinks.

Maybe it is the principle of increase in entropy that forces the advancement of that what is junk?

 

A major difference between eastern religions and western religions are that eastern religions tend to be more ethno-cultural while western religions tend to be more "religious".

 

 

Smoking is acquired, homosexuality is not. They are on different levels, so they can't and shouldn't be compared. It's like comparing homosexuality with drug addiction, which is insulting to homosexuals and misleading too.

 

^ this. But you should be aware that many people see sex as something similar to drug addiction.

 

Communist countries like China & Russia do not have a history of liberalism.  Their brand of atheism is dictatorial.  But whether it is communism or capitalism (even in "liberal" countries), homophobes use all sorts of means to suppress gays.  Religion is the most convenient way because one can fall back on the so-called holy books to justify intolerance.  Pastor Khong-cum-the magician has said, "Love the homosexuals but not homosexuality", which he deems as deviant & not pro-family.  The same goes for the Wear White Movement reacting against the Pink Dot gathering.  When one uses religion as a shield, it is most convincing to arouse resonance among its believers.  And all this homophobia arises from one basic factor - IGNORANCE / MISINFORMATION & ITS SUBSEQUENT BASELESS FEAR.

 

China isn't too bad when it comes to liberalism. If you want to see regressiveness then look at the area between Austria and Northern India.

[Guest Guest]

Now that in today's world there is an increased realization that homosexuality is not voluntary, it is not correct anymore to hate homosexuals (who are not responsible for their homosexuality). To do so is equivalent to racism, the hate of people who are also not responsible for the color of their skin.

Religious organizations therefore have to change their tone and claim that they don't hate homosexuals (like they did during most of their history). But they still face the conflict of their 'dogma' that forever has held homosexuality as SIN. They would lose prestige if they say that it was SIN in the past but it is not SIN anymore. So their solution is to still condemn the SIN as if it is something separate of the sinner.

Many in the US do the same about the increasing population of Hispanics, legal and illegal: they "love" the Hispanics, but hate if they speak Spanish among them.

So today the churches love the homosexuals as long as they don't have homosexual sex. What a hypocrisy!

Churchs are deluded as fuck! How stupid! And silly too! A homosexual who doesn't have sex?????????? Is that even possible????? And how is it fair that heterosexuals can have sex but homosexuals are expected to be celibate if they want acceptance from the church! It's degrading to say the least to conform to such unreasonable and unfair requirement!

How are churches even relevant in today's world in the first place besides trying very hard to "cross over"?

[Guest Guest]

It is still confusing to use the term western religions.  There is a term called Abrahamic religions to include those you were referring to - Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox & Islam.  Judaism is not Arab.  Although both the Jews & Arabs are classified as Semitic race, some disagree by saying that Arabs should be classified as Hamites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

 

1.  China is not religious, after decades of atheist communist rule, e.g.  they observe the 7th (Hungry Ghost) month only for a day unlike the overseas Chinese, who observe it for a whole month.  However, as China is getting more modernised & liberal, the repercussions of the Cultural Revolution has already upset much of the Confucian ethics.  More people feel spiritually empty & more are turning towards religion or cults.  Nevertheless, relatively speaking, Mainlanders are the least religious.

 

2,  Buddhism is a religion in the eyes of the Westerners, especially those who have visited the magnificent temples in mainland Southeast Asia & Sri Lanka.  Those who are acquainted with Oriental culture will know that Buddhism & Taoism did not start off as religions but were mere philosophies.  East Asians are the most syncretic people, embracing more than one religion, unlike the believers of the Abrahamic religions, which are monotheistic.

 

The phrase "paki relgions" does not make sense.  "Paki" is a derogatory term for "Pakistani".  For Pakistan, the dominant religion is Islam.

 

Abrahamic and western basically mean the same thing, especially from the perspective of religious studies.

 

1) China IS religious, especially if you come from a eastern background. Sure, it's not religious by western standards of 'religion', but then countries like India and Japan would also be 'not religious'. If you derive life philosophy from your religion and occasionally pay attention to festivals, then you are religious. NO eastern religious asks it's followers to go to church every-week.

 

2) Buddhism is a philosophy and a 'sect of Hinduism', but Hinduism itself is a stupid term because it means nothing more to an easterner than the term "the culture of the east" does.

 

paki can be used as an adjective too.

[Guest Guest]

http://www.youthconnect.in/2015/08/18/18-facts-prove-ancient-india-liberal-modern-modern-india/

[Sax]

It is interesting to see how the thread is commented by mostly non-christian and non-religious people. More so by people who do not bother to google before they write haha. But I shalnt correct anyone or anything since that would get just get me flagged. To those who are interested, google tells you everything.

Talk is cheap, truth is rare.

[FirsTimer]

why would you believe in google. a sentence for a sentence. whatever that is written is both true and untrue always depending on what side you want to take in initial

[Guest Guest]

There is indeed  some superiority in the eastern religions and philosophies. 

It is regrettable that Christianity is making so much inroads into Asia and displace the eastern religions.

Maybe Christianity is more attractive because of its sweetness (all love everywhere..) and because it is foreign.

The same happens with the western junk food and junk drinks.

Maybe it is the principle of increase in entropy that forces the advancement of that what is junk?

Apparently, it is a very aggressive religion in converting others as we all can see...

[Guest Guest]

Now that in today's world there is an increased realization that homosexuality is not voluntary, it is not correct anymore to hate homosexuals (who are not responsible for their homosexuality).  To do so is equivalent to racism, the hate of people who are also not responsible for the color of their skin.

 

Religious organizations therefore have to change their tone and claim that they don't hate homosexuals (like they did during most of their history).  But they still face the conflict of their 'dogma' that forever has held homosexuality as SIN. They would lose prestige if they say that it was SIN in the past but it is not SIN anymore.  So their solution is to still condemn the SIN as if it is something separate of the sinner. 

 

Many in the US do the same about the increasing population of Hispanics, legal and illegal:  they "love" the Hispanics, but hate if they speak Spanish among them.

 

So today the churches love the homosexuals as long as they don't have homosexual sex. What a hypocrisy!

 

You are right

 

Now that in today's world there is an increased realization that homosexuality is not voluntary, it is not correct anymore to hate homosexuals (who are not responsible for their homosexuality).  To do so is equivalent to racism, the hate of people who are also not responsible for the color of their skin.

 

Religious organizations therefore have to change their tone and claim that they don't hate homosexuals (like they did during most of their history).  But they still face the conflict of their 'dogma' that forever has held homosexuality as SIN. They would lose prestige if they say that it was SIN in the past but it is not SIN anymore.  So their solution is to still condemn the SIN as if it is something separate of the sinner. 

 

Many in the US do the same about the increasing population of Hispanics, legal and illegal:  they "love" the Hispanics, but hate if they speak Spanish among them.

 

So today the churches love the homosexuals as long as they don't have homosexual sex. What a hypocrisy!

Very true

[Guest Guest]

The evangelical brand christianity is like a mold colony. Their propagation principles are the same. Once its spores spread and take root in dead, stale or decaying matter like old bread or unprotected leather, it is very difficult to remove them altogether without damaging or destroying the integrity of the substrate materials.

Places where this is most evident are the african and asian nations.

[FirsTimer]

Religion is just a group of beliefs that are non scientific and intangible. It can still be used. No matter how they put down it still stands that's religion. Therefore being gay and a christian is fine

[Steve5380]

Apparently, it is a very aggressive religion in converting others as we all can see...

 

Yes, and it makes sense.  Their amount of power and money is directly proportional to their number of followers.

[Steve5380]

The evangelical brand christianity is like a mold colony. Their propagation principles are the same. Once its spores spread and take root in dead, stale or decaying matter like old bread or unprotected leather, it is very difficult to remove them altogether without damaging or destroying the integrity of the substrate materials.

Places where this is most evident are the african and asian nations.

 

One can understand this in African nations. The level of education there is below the threshold that limits the growing of the Christian mold.

But why Asian nations?  Don't you have some superior beliefs that are more like philosophies than religions? Is the attraction of this sugary slimy Christian love so strong?  Doesn't sugar feed cancer?

[Steve5380]

Religion is just a group of beliefs that are non scientific and intangible. It can still be used. No matter how they put down it still stands that's religion. Therefore being gay and a christian is fine

 

But aren't there countless beliefs you could have that are non-scientific and intangible?  

Why would a gay person choose a belief that draws much of its strength by making gays SINFUL?

[Guest Guest]

Doesn't sugar feed cancer?

Word.

[Guest Guest]

One can understand this in African nations. The level of education there is below the threshold that limits the growing of the Christian mold.

But why Asian nations? Don't you have some superior beliefs that are more like philosophies than religions?

African education level being low allows christianity to more easily control their minds. So on the contrary, evangelicals managed to wreak havoc in their country. The death penalty for gays in uganda was pushed forward by their church. A pastor even convinced followers to give him bj!

Asians have that caucasians have bigger dicks mentality. So christianity, a western religion in their eyes flourished.