Discussion On Being Gay & Christian (Compiled)

[Guest Brian]

I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC, TO WATCH THIS VERY POWERFUL VIDEO POSTED ON YOUTUBE ABOUT FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN BELIEVES AND HOW IT MAY NEGATIVELY AFFECT A NOT VERY STABLE AND SPIRITUALLY STRONG PERSON WHO WANTS TO LEAD THE GOOD AND LOVING CHRISTIAN LIFE.

 

IT IS A BIT LONG, BUT TOWARDS THE END , I LIKE THE PART ABOUT THE VICTIM'S FAMILY UNITING AND CHALLENGING THE FOUNDER OF FOCUS ON THE FAMILY TO COME OUT AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT 35 YEARS OF HIS TEACHINGS THAT MAY HAVE DRIVEN SOME TEENS TO SUICIDE AND CAUSED SOME FAMILIES ANGUISH OF DISOWNING THEIR OWN CHILDREN FOR COMING OUT GAY.

 

THE VIDEO IS  1HOUR AND 38 MINUTES LONG SO BE PREPARED AND BE COMFORTABLE, BUT IS IS REALLY WORTH WATCHING , BECAUSE IT PRESENTS  SOME NEW READINGS AND INTERPRETATIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE PASSAGE ABOUT SODOM AND GOMORRAH, A PASSAGE THAT IS OFTEN USED TO "BEAT" AND " PULVERISE"  THE GAY LIFE PRACTITIONER.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abcj6kSkO1A

 

 

Some more videos can be found on youtube for educational purposes, we need to educate ourselves about what Fundamentalist Christians are teaching and how it may impact our  lives in Singapore,

[Guest koto]

  The Late John Lennon wrote a song that was at the time it was released in the late 70's and early 80's got a lot of Fundamentalist Christians churches and Monotheistic religions all itchy in the pants .

 

It was called Imagine. It asked us to imagine a world without religion , because religion was asked and used at various times to throughout history to persecute certain groups of people, like people suspected of witchcraft was burnt at the stake, religion was used to justify slavery of Africans to work in the cotton and banana plantations in early America,  religion was used to justify segregation of black and white people in South Africa called Apartheid, religion was partly used as a reason of Genocide during world war two , the genocide of Jews during th Nazi holocaust, and many other examples.

 

Today, we have various other conflicts caused by believe in fundamentalist monotheistic Abrahamic religions,

 

so his words of imagine no religion , struck a lot of people to think maybe the world would be a more peaceful place, if people internalised the idea that actually there is no heaven , no hell, jsut blue skies above us, and living for today and living and loving other people and peace on earth was easier to achieve.

 

Perhaps , anxiety caused by trying to get into heaven and avoiding burning in hell , a common pursuit and aim of all belivers of monotheistic religions , causes a lot of world problems like wars in middle east, wars in africa.

 

so imagine and believe that there is no heaven and no hell like in JOHN LENNON's song.

 

The world can be a more happy and peaceful place.

 

 

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

 

[braveheart]

there's two opposing Christian views on homosexuality.

1. Homosexual acts are wrong as prohibited in the Bible.

2. God blesses COMMITTED relationships even if it is between two homosexuals.

As for the TRUTH of Christianity, I think you can go and investigate it yourself. Don't reject it because of the imperfect people who preach it.

Ask yourself the BIG questions:

Does God exist?

Did Jesus live on the earth?

Can the scriptures be trusted?

Is Christianity a TRUE worldview?

Because if Christianity is true, then a there IS a HEAVENLY FATHER who loves you and delights in you!

Sorry for sounding a little preachy, but really...

Edited April 5, 2013 by braveheart

[FirsTimer]

First timer, based on the second part of your text, i feel that u are a good Christian, u deserve respect from other non believers including me, and u can be a friend of anyone regardless of religion. The world will be nicer with more people like u.

Thank you thank you =) This brightened me up a lil haha

But on the first part about looks, u reacted just like many of the bigots (u are definitely not a bigot), i failed to see any light from your explanations. Looks defintely matters in reality. U look at media corp. They put those very experienced actors/actresses on their drama, but they don't look good. Many are in their 40s, but they are very skilful in acting. Whereas korean dramas often feature good looking guys, never mind if they can't act very well. Korean dramas sells much better than local dramas. So if u are a broadcasting company, if u don't bother about looks, u will not "ultimately receive more valuable rewards" like what u said. Looks definitely matters especially for gays. Don't believe u just observe. It is superficial, but it is reality.

Why do looks matter "especially for gays" sia.. It "definitely matters" as much as you think it matters. It matters to me too but I feel it's just an admiration of others because I dont look awesomely good myself. Er... What Im trying to say it still shouldnt matter. And it's an achievement anyone has to reach uh. If you dont take that now, you can take this view "next time" cause as time passes by, you'll just get sick of admiring others or trying to look good yourself.. (think when you are in your forties..) But of course, having this mindset younger is better. So you avoid wasting time for being vain or avoid comparing yourself with another. I mean, this understanding only serves yourself - you live happier - so why not take it.

What is "reality" might be what you believe to be accepted when you watch TV during times of adolescence.. But what is commonly accepted might not be the "reality". What is commonly accepted might not be what you need. It's just a lie. Can you take it as a lie from the devil? And see that what is actually better for living a joyful life is that you dont take looks seriously.

(Er.. I hope you can get where Im driving at cause I know my paragraph isnt getting anywhere lol)

Maybe we should rephrase the question for u, see whether u can explain convincingly. Instead of superficial looks, please explain : Why god makes majority of people able bodied, but a small number of people disabled and inflicted so much suffering on them?

Hm.. Do those who are suffering pray more or those who are well and fine pray more? Those who are well and fine will never appreciate the fact that they are ok. ...

Er ok I cant answer this question. My answer cant even convince myself so I just leave it as "...". But for the time being, rejoice if you are able bodied. You can feel empathetic for those who are suffering physically for what's your motive for the act of being empathetic itself. I mean, do you feel their pain or is it because that idea is so common and shared around that it triggered you to think about it. I mean, does the empathy come from your heart or it's coming from your heart because the thought from the society triggered it.. There's a difference. Dont think of things that the world has conditioned you to think of because......

Let's try this again on my next book out... hahahah

Edited April 5, 2013 by FirsTimer

[tamshui]

http://www.upworthy.com/one-key-difference-between-being-gay-and-trying-to-poison-your-neighbors-cat

[Guest Guest]

John Paulk Formally Renounces, Apologizes for Harmful 'Ex-Gay' Movement

 

http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2013/04/24/john-paulk-formally-renounces-apologizes-harmful-ex-gay-movement?page=0,0

 

 

John Paulk, one of the most recognized former leaders from the now-crumbling "ex-gay" movement, renounced his past and formally apologized for the harm he and the movement have caused ...

 

 

Paulk's statement also confirms that his much-touted, 20-year-long marriage to an "ex-gay" woman, Anne, is now ending. Paulk said he plans to retreat from the public eye in the coming months to ensure his "next actions come from a place of thrush and authenticity."

Paulk was arguably the most recognizable figurehead for ex-gay organization Love Won Out, a project of the antigay Focus on the Family. In 1999, John and Anne Paulk wrote a book called Love Won Out: How God's Love Helped Two People Leave Homosexuality and Find Each Other. Paulk left Focus on the Family in 2003

[FirsTimer]

PinkPANther, FirsTimer:

 

No need for philosophical debate; only simple logic and reasoning.

 

Why do you believe the Christian faith? Why don't you believe in Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism or other religions? Do you think that Christianity is the only true religion? Do you believe the Christian Bible literally?

 

Erms... Philosophical talk is all about logic and reasoning. Not sure what you mean. You wouldnt want complex terms? ...

[Guest Guest]

Pope Francis said: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

http://www.todayonline.com/world/europe/pope-says-he-wont-judge-gay-priests

[Guest Stupid Gays]

The amount of stupidity and delusion in this thread is just ... astounding.

[EasleyLim]

The amount of stupidity and delusion in this thread is just ... astounding.

 

As opposed to what?

[Clickclock]

there's two opposing Christian views on homosexuality.

1. Homosexual acts are wrong as prohibited in the Bible.

2. God blesses COMMITTED relationships even if it is between two homosexuals.

As for the TRUTH of Christianity, I think you can go and investigate it yourself. Don't reject it because of the imperfect people who preach it.

Ask yourself the BIG questions:

Does God exist?

Did Jesus live on the earth?

Can the scriptures be trusted?

Is Christianity a TRUE worldview?

Because if Christianity is true, then a there IS a HEAVENLY FATHER who loves you and delights in you!

Sorry for sounding a little preachy, but really...

 

aww yea, he speaks the truth.

Before you Christians go on and try to shift your footing in your faith in being a homosexual christian, take a step back from religion and question those few simple but important questions that most religious people simply ignore all on the basis of faith. 

[Clickclock]

the religion does not hate gays, its some of its people.

 

Not some, there are plenty of polls and surveys being done in the past. A great percentage of Christians oppose homosexuality compared to the unreligious. Just try it for yourself and ask the faithful in any random church, chances are, most of them will be "well, I have nothing against them, but the bible tells me that it is wrong and therefore I do not support it, they will go to hell unless they repent". 

Edited July 29, 2013 by Clickclock

[Marineboy]

  

 

 

A dedicated servant of GOD....former pastor tells us how he crossed over. I encourage believers and unbelievers to view his debates n speeches.

It certainly was an eye opener as most of us are not well read even if we call ourselves beilievers.

 

I have always leaning towards Atheism or being agnostic...Dan Barker has helped to  pull me over.

 

I feel now there is no need to be Gay and Christian anymore

 

If you feel GOD has spoken to you plse share here....i am all ears. 

 

Meanwhile to each its own just dont be fooled into anything. Regards

Edited July 29, 2013 by Marineboy

[Clickclock]

@ Marine Boy, cool story bro, I too underwent the same religious forsakening during my last few months in National Service. Initially I had cumulative doubts about Christianity's hostility towards gay people and that prompted me to do up research over the authenticity of  christian religious faith. That mindset encouraged me to read up on loads of cool stuff like evolution, physics and humanism. Ironically, the greatest spiritual breakthrough I have in my life is the lost of my religious faith.

[groyn88]

It's good that we have respected straight clergymen in Singapore like Rev. Yap Kim Hao who are willing to speak up on behalf of the gay community:

 

Edited July 29, 2013 by groyn88

[Guest Guest]

The amount of stupidity and delusion in this thread is just ... astounding.

Not only in this thread. In some other threads too. Things like "my sins and wrong doings will be washed away hence giving me a clean slate" and "human logic cannot be applied to supernatural". Totally doesn't make sense at all

[Guest Guest]

"

Whatever you do, don’t touch my clitoris

If you ring Satan’s doorbell, God can’t ignore this

And no prophylactics when you put it in

Because birth control’s for sluts, and it’s a sin

I’ve emptied my bowels

And laid out the towels

I’m ready for romance

I’m praying to the power that’s the highest

But of all of my holes, this one’s the driest

And we can’t procreate if we anally copulate

And God’s OK with sodomy, but only if you’re straight

And I’m staying pure no matter what

So I’m OK with everything but

Everything but

Everything butt

Source: LYBIO.net

So fuck me in the ass because I love Jesus

The good lord would want it that way

Give me that sweet sensation of throbbing rationalization

It’s just between you and me

Because everyone knows it’s the sex that God can’t see

I do whatever the Bible tells me to

Except for the parts that I choose to ignore

Because they’re unrealistic and inconvenient

But the rest, I live by for sure

So let’s not talk about how the good book

Bans shellfish, polyester and divorce

And how it condones slavery and killing gays

Because those parts don’t count of course

Let’s cherry pick the part about losing my cherry

And [midgets] for ambiguities and omissions

And circumvent any real sacrifice

And still feel pious in my arbitrary parroted positions

And don’t you dare question my convictions

And don’t look closely at the contradictions

Just focus on the sacrificial crucifixion

And have faith in its complete jurisdiction

It’s the only way to measure if you’re good or not

And when you’re in a debate, just say to have faith

Because when up against logic it’s the only card you’ve got

So close your eyes

Take a deep breath

And

Fuck me in the ass because I love Jesus

The good lord would want it that way

Give me that sweet sensation of irrational rationalization

It’s just between you and me

Because everyone knows it’s the sex that God can’t see

Yeah, my chastity belt has locks

So sometimes you need to think outside the box"

[Guest seek gay church]

Any other gay church in sg other than free community?

[a2s]

After reading the posts from my beloved brothers in Christ.....

 

I don't know what to say LOL

 

Yes, it's undeniable that even though everyone who puts his faith into Christianity should unite, more often than not there are disputes and controversies between us.

 

Like, I have read an article about a Christian couple leaving their old church because it teaches "men should be of greater status than women" instead of equality.

I guess there has never been a concrete, solid and 'legitimate' answer from any single church.

 

So I opt to negate what each church says on homosexuality.

 

And simply put my faith in Jesus, our Saviour.

 

I do fear that I may end up in hell because of homosexuality, but even if I do, I guess there's nothing much I can do about it.

[superflawless]

"The very purpose of religion is to control yourself, not to criticize others."

- Dalai Lama

[superflawless]

If any Neo Conservatives dare to judge you, tell them this:

 

"Any Religion that says it's okay to keep slaves, has no moral basis for being a moral compass to anyone."

[Guest Guest]

 

 

I do fear that I may end up in hell because of homosexuality, but even if I do, I guess there's nothing much I can do about it.

I used to think like this before when I was a Christian because I thought how could just being who I am be so wrong? Strangely, now that I'm not a Christian the fear of going to hell is gone. But it took many years before I realised it was gone.

[Cube3]

I used to think like this before when I was a Christian because I thought how could just being who I am be so wrong? Strangely, now that I'm not a Christian the fear of going to hell is gone. But it took many years before I realised it was gone.

 

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

It's a promise from God to us, so all we need is to believe,  no? Hell is for those who sin (which is everybody), and who do not believe? Anyway, who are we to judge? Only God knows Himself and everyone else enough to judge.

[Guest Guest]

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

It's a promise from God to us, so all we need is to believe,  no? Hell is for those who sin (which is everybody), and who do not believe? Anyway, who are we to judge? Only God knows Himself and everyone else enough to judge.

During the time when I was a Christian struggling to reconcile my sexuality with the religion, I was just hanging at the lower end of this rope called Salvation and God was holding the other end in Heaven. The fear that God would cut the rope to punish my sin as a gay haunted me endlessly. Will the rope be cut or do I have the strength to pull myself up to heaven and finally meet up with Him? I know all the bible teachings about the issue. But I didn't have peace.

 

I could find no reconciliation between my sexuality and the religion and decided to let go of my hands. I went into free fall for many years peeling of the layers of guilt, fear and doubts. When I finally hit the bottom there was no hell. When I lifted my head up there was no heaven either. I realised then I just came back to earth, a beautiful blue planet without the Devil or God.

 

I admire those of you who can reconcile the Christian faith and your sexuality. But I'm happier now not being a Christian. May God bless you.

[Guest Gay Xtian]

People, please go watch youtube : Australian PM Kevin Rudd launches passionately for gay marriage....you might get your answer there...

 

kudos to you Mr Rudd...hope you win the coming election

[leibniz]

Religion and homosexuality are two different matters. Religion is a concept, actually there's no religion whereas homosexuality is innate, it happens and it's a fact. There's Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, they exist. Even so, they're not innate it can happen in different forms subject to one's ego. It's like a recipe where one can add, change or remove the ingredients for one's liking but it's still the same recipe. The problem is when one starts to believe that the recipe must be authentic void from any change whatsoever which contradicts one's innate liking/ disliking a particular stuff. Imagine you have to bite that spicy chilli still you have to swallow it down your throat. Sure, it can be done but it's likely to be detriment to one's health. Well, you may say otherwise that it's like a drug which is bitter but good for your health which I agree. Anyway, Christianity won't last till this season if it's not proven to be good and useful. But, you know what I mean. 

[Guest Guest]

During the time when I was a Christian struggling to reconcile my sexuality with the religion, I was just hanging at the lower end of this rope called Salvation and God was holding the other end in Heaven. The fear that God would cut the rope to punish my sin as a gay haunted me endlessly. Will the rope be cut or do I have the strength to pull myself up to heaven and finally meet up with Him? I know all the bible teachings about the issue. But I didn't have peace.

I could find no reconciliation between my sexuality and the religion and decided to let go of my hands. I went into free fall for many years peeling of the layers of guilt, fear and doubts. When I finally hit the bottom there was no hell. When I lifted my head up there was no heaven either. I realised then I just came back to earth, a beautiful blue planet without the Devil or God.

I admire those of you who can reconcile the Christian faith and your sexuality. But I'm happier now not being a Christian. May God bless you.

Well said! I like that

[FirsTimer]

U see, precisely, this is what i find unacceptable, that is why i am not converted. This is bad logic to me. Just believe & worship & praise & thank, and everything will be fine, no need to ask why. To me, no such thing as no explanation is necessary. Everything must be properly explained and reasoned. 

 

They are not trying to mean that you blindly go ahead and worship Him... Rather, we understand that as much as we try, we wouldnt be able to comprehend His idea. It is not to give up, but to accept what He has in store for us.. Again: "no explanation" not because Christians willingly be dumb and not question, instead we understand that "no explanation" is how it works and that it cant be helped. You are not interpreting the idea what the author intends for you..

Edited September 5, 2013 by FirsTimer

[FirsTimer]

Totally doesn't make sense at all. Why do we worship him if we could not understand him? If he causes bad things to happen without us understanding why, is he still that great and deserving our worshipping, incessant praising, and thanking? And he can still be considered all merciful? Everything is at his whims and fancies? This is equivalent to blindly following

 

They always say they want to save me by getting me converted. To me, i am very glad to be saved by being not converted.

 

The concept of worshipping one is for you to uphold his status as being great because he is worthy. Knowing that He is loving is sufficient information enough for you to worship Him and a total understanding might not be necessary. Bad things happening and you not knowing the reasons why could be because you have not received the understanding yet right? Perhaps you havent been asking others why. Perhaps you havent been introspecting for an answer. But there would be a reason no? Unless you dont believe the cliche "Everything happens for a reason". No reason available to our human mind might not mean that there isnt a good reason. Again, you not being able to realize why negative issues are surfacing does not relate to how great He is. He is still who He is. You might perceive it as blind submission but have not the Christians themselves struggled with their faith before with the same question in mind? For me, I did and have not found the answer. But now I realize that it is deeper wisdom for us to to follow and know that there unquestionably would be an answer in store for us and that answer is not vital nor essential for Christian living. Hence we bypass that and look at other things, whilst keeping our eyes on something greater.

[Guest Guest]

GOD SAYS HELL IS NOT A PLACE THAT EXISTS

- Surprisingly, a recent Pope agreed --- and said so out loud

http://www.godsnewnews.com/blog/?p=4

“There is no such experience after death as you have constructed in your fear-based theologies,” God said. “Yet there is an experience of the soul so unhappy, so incomplete, so less than whole, so separated from God’s greatest joy, that to your soul this would be hell. But God does not send you there, nor does He cause this experience to be visited upon you.”

“You, yourself, create the experience, whenever and however you separate your Self from your own highest thought about you. You, yourself, create the experience, whenever you deny your Self; whenever you reject Who and What You Really Are,” God’s statement went on.

“Yet even this experience is never eternal. It cannot be, for it is not God’s plan that you shall be separated from Him forever and ever. Indeed, such a thing is an impossibility, for to achieve such an event, not only would you have to deny Who You Are, God would have to as well. This God will never do. And so long as one of us holds the truth about you, the truth about you shall ultimately prevail.”

[Guest Guest]

There are no Ten Commandments

“This will startle you, and perhaps offend the sensitivities of many people, but there are no such things as the Ten Commandments,” God is quoted as having said. “Who would God command? Himself? And why would such commandments be required? Whatever God wants, is. How is it therefore necessary to command anyone?

“And if God did issue commandments, would they not be automatically kept? How could God wish something to be so badly that He would command it—and then sit by and watch it not be so?” God asked. “What kind of a king would do that? What kind of a ruler? Know this: God is neither a king, nor a ruler. God is simply—and awesomely—the Creator.”

“The Creator does not rule, but merely creates, creates—and keeps on creating,” She said. “God has created you—blessed you—in the image and likeness of Himself. And He has made certain promises and commitments to you. God has told you, in plain language, how it will be with you when you become as one with Him.

“You are, as Moses was, an earnest seeker. Moses, too, as do you now, stood before God, begging for answers. ‘Oh, God of My Father,’ he called. ‘God of my God, deign to show me. Give me a sign, that I may tell my people! How can we know that we are chosen?’ And God came to Moses, even as He has come to you now, with a divine covenant—an everlasting promise—a sure and certain commitment.

“‘How can I be sure?’ Moses asked plaintively. ‘Because I have told you so,’ God said. ‘You have the Word of God.’ And the Word of God was not a commandment, but a covenant. These, then, are the Ten Commitments…”

You shall know that you have taken the path to God, and you shall know that you have found God, for there will be these signs, these indications, these changes in you..

“You will know that you have found the path to God when you see these signs. For God promises that no one who truly seeks God shall any longer do these things. It would be impossible to continue such behaviors.”

Clarifying the nature of the statements, God added: “These are your freedoms, not your restrictions. These are God’s commitments, not His commandments. For God does not order about what God has created—God merely tells God’s children: this is how you will know that you are coming home.”

Moses asked in earnest—“How may I know? Give me a sign.” Moses asked the same question that we all ask now. The same question all people everywhere have asked since time began. God’s answer is likewise eternal. “But it has never been, and never will be, a commandment,” She said in Conversations with God. “For who shall God command? And who shall He punish should His commandments not be kept? There is only God (Me).”

http://www.godsnewnews.com/blog/?p=7

[Guest Guest]

The concept of worshipping one is for you to uphold his status as being great because he is worthy. Knowing that He is loving is sufficient information enough for you to worship Him and a total understanding might not be necessary. Bad things happening and you not knowing the reasons why could be because you have not received the understanding yet right? Perhaps you havent been asking others why. Perhaps you havent been introspecting for an answer. But there would be a reason no? Unless you dont believe the cliche "Everything happens for a reason". No reason available to our human mind might not mean that there isnt a good reason. Again, you not being able to realize why negative issues are surfacing does not relate to how great He is. He is still who He is. You might perceive it as blind submission but have not the Christians themselves struggled with their faith before with the same question in mind? For me, I did and have not found the answer. But now I realize that it is deeper wisdom for us to to follow and know that there unquestionably would be an answer in store for us and that answer is not vital nor essential for Christian living. Hence we bypass that and look at other things, whilst keeping our eyes on something greater.

I’m sorry I find your explanation unpalatable and unconvincing about how great and how wonderful he is. The logic in your explanation is quite bad.

 

Nevertheless I find u are as respectable as one member called Gosh. Both of u are very composed and civilized unlike some other quarrelsome Christians. One Christian guest even made a post asking someone not to anyhow quote the bible as “you do not know the bible”. If he is a good Christian, he should explain and clear up misconception if he sees one. By doing so, he is also doing his faith a service. His explanation doesn’t explain anything at all. His hostile and confrontational tone just add fuel to fire and has the effect of inviting the other guest for a quarrel. His post is just totally unhelpful

 

You have been frank to admit that the questions puzzling us are also the very same questions that Christians themselves are struggling with. We have to appreciate your frankness. How nice if all Christians were to be like you, civilized, tolerant, reasonable and approachable. I wish u a very meaning spiritual religious life, most importantly away from the evil prosperity gospel. 

[FirsTimer]

I’m sorry I find your explanation unpalatable and unconvincing about how great and how wonderful he is. The logic in your explanation is quite bad.

 

Nevertheless I find u are as respectable as one member called Gosh. Both of u are very composed and civilized unlike some other quarrelsome Christians. One Christian guest even made a post asking someone not to anyhow quote the bible as “you do not know the bible”. If he is a good Christian, he should explain and clear up misconception if he sees one. By doing so, he is also doing his faith a service. His explanation doesn’t explain anything at all. His hostile and confrontational tone just add fuel to fire and has the effect of inviting the other guest for a quarrel. His post is just totally unhelpful

 

You have been frank to admit that the questions puzzling us are also the very same questions that Christians themselves are struggling with. We have to appreciate your frankness. How nice if all Christians were to be like you, civilized, tolerant, reasonable and approachable. I wish u a very meaning spiritual religious life, most importantly away from the evil prosperity gospel. 

 

Wah thanks Im quite glad to hear some good description of myself. Hopefully the sarcasm in other sentences do not extend across to such pleasant wordings! =D Hm.. Good day! His name is just Gosh ah? Maybe I should add him as friend

[Guest Guest]

Wah thanks Im quite glad to hear some good description of myself. Hopefully the sarcasm in other sentences do not extend across to such pleasant wordings! =D Hm.. Good day! His name is just Gosh ah? Maybe I should add him as friend

Go and read the thread 'Pastor Lawrence Khong Makes More Anti-Lgbt Statements' that was locked by moderator yesterday. 'Gosh' and another Christian 'Peace', probably the same person, were just guests and BW member.

 

http://www.blowingwind.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=38076

[trevorcantona]

Thanks for posting this so now I know I'm not the only one feeling the same way you do. I was the guess who ask GM why other similar threads on religion were not locked. I also brought this thread up to the front by posting #91 here to highlight this fact.

 

Well there's nothing else to say as everyone can read GM's replies and make his own conclusion. You may want to know that from the time the thread was locked this afternoon till now, it was still viewed 400 times.

 

Having said all these I'm still thankful that we have a forum like BW. As GM said, how to please everyone?

 

indeed, you cant please all.

 

i am not asking to be pleased. i am asking for the moderators to be as fair as they could possibly be humanely.

[MadMan]

Why bad things happen to good people and vice versa?

If you look at it from a natural POV, it's called probabilities. If you flipped a coin it has 50% chance landing as head or tail. Similarly Nature does not distinguish between a good or an evil person, so there is equal possibilities of bad or good things happening to any individual. (However this Nature can be ruthless, only the fittest survive, just watch Animal Planet or Nat Geo.)

That said, why Be good? If one does not believe in a heaven or hell nor an after life, why bother to be good? Ironically as it may sound, it's exactly bcos when you believe only in the now and the present, that you have only this one life to live and this one chance to make good on earth, you learn to live and let live, to not sweat the small stuff, not bicker over trivials, not antagonistic to people that are different from you, there is no " you are either with us or against us" mentality.

Various studies and surveys have confirmed that whenever we do a good deed or charitable act, we feel uplifted, there is a surge of endorphins or whatever you named it. And this feel good factor can be infectious and you pass it on to the people around you and hopefully make this cruel world a better place to live.

For those of us born gay, just be yourself. Remember we have only this one life, this one chance to live the life for yourself, not for your parents, nor for your friends, nor society, and definitely not for an imaginary higher being in the sky. So go ahead, be gay, and be good nevertheless.

[Guest Guest]

I remember reading the book 'When Bad Things Happen to Good People' by Harold Kushner a long time ago. That was when I was still a Christian and it made a lot of sense to me then. In fact it helped me through some very difficult times.

 

If I were to read it again now I won't agree with most of the rationalisations he made from the Jewish/Christian perspective. But then, we all interpret our life events according to  our belief (not necessarily religious) system at that point in our life. We truly only live in the now and present. I do not have another 40 years to live like I had 40 years ago. So if I learn to let go of those bad things that had happened, I may have some good years left to live. Yes, live and let live. So easily said but conquering the mountain seem easier.

 

http://www.amazon.com/When-Things-Happen-Good-People/dp/1400034728

[Guest Guest]

Living here and now is also known as mindfulness in buddhism

Mindfulness is a state of active, open attention on the present. When you're mindful, you observe your thoughts and feelings from a distance, without judging them good or bad. Instead of letting your life pass you by, mindfulness means living in the moment and awakening to experience.

Mindfulness (Pali: sati,[1] Sanskrit: smṛti; also translated as awareness) is a spiritual or psychological faculty (indriya) that, according to the teaching of the Buddha, is considered to be of great importance in the path to enlightenment . It is one of the seven factors of enlightenment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness

[superflawless]

Religion is like a Penis
It's okay to have one
It's okay to be proud of it
HOWEVER
Do not pull it out in public
Do not push it on children
Do not write laws with it
Do not think it.
 

[Guest Peace]

Haha first timer that guest said that I wasn't being helpful .. i was actually reading that thread on lawrence khong and how peace and gosh were trying their best to explain xtianity.. but sensed some guests were rather fault finding .. give harsh comments etc.. so i told them not to pose anymore bible verses cos its pointless and meanibgless becos no matter how objective a prebeliever is he still has that tinge of biasness against xtianity esp in a secular thread like this. .. i was being misunderstood as being condescending and confrontational too when i post corinthians. Haiz.. Actually I wanted to tell that guest that we need to have a simple faith like a child but got misunderstood..i do agree with you on what you said about our minds are finite and sometimes we just cannot fathom the spiritual realm and sometimes things happened without a reason.. But yet all things worked out for good if not better.

Press on in your walk brother!

Peace to all incl that guest who misunderstood me:(

[FirsTimer]

Haha first timer that guest said that I wasn't being helpful .. i was actually reading that thread on lawrence khong and how peace and gosh were trying their best to explain xtianity.. but sensed some guests were rather fault finding .. give harsh comments etc.. so i told them not to pose anymore bible verses cos its pointless and meanibgless becos no matter how objective a prebeliever is he still has that tinge of biasness against xtianity esp in a secular thread like this. .. i was being misunderstood as being condescending and confrontational too when i post corinthians. Haiz.. Actually I wanted to tell that guest that we need to have a simple faith like a child but got misunderstood..i do agree with you on what you said about our minds are finite and sometimes we just cannot fathom the spiritual realm and sometimes things happened without a reason.. But yet all things worked out for good if not better.

Press on in your walk brother!

Peace to all incl that guest who misunderstood me:(

 

I see.. Why wouldnt you create an account.. It's easier to keep track who is who

[Guest Guest]

Here is the exact post that was copied from the other thread. Please judge for yourselves is it cordial and enlightening, or confrontational and inflammatory. Gosh and Firstimer set a very good example for others to follow, a very big contrast in terms of their choice of words and expressions

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To this guest.. U really don't know the bible well stop putting such things to mislead. 

I m not peace or gosh. The everlasting destruction does not refer to this .. This is what we call generation sins passed down !
And there were missionaries who went to china to preach the gospel in the early centuries .. Pls get your facts rite and not lift verses here n there to mislead and drive more anti plu hatred towards xtianity! It's really some pple who really know how to flame and mislead!

Please don't any how quote bible verses and mislead others! 

 

 

 

[Marineboy]

What really puzzles me is this.....

 

Most xristians say homosexuality its wrong and a sin against God...

OR rather you can be gay but you cannot practise gay sex because its a sin.

 

Xristians that are gay say tis ok............

Another type of xristian sect is formed amonst thousands of others as well.

 

It shows how flawed this whole thing is...get real its pointing to man made rules that can be conveniently altered to serve its purpose.

The same goes with Islam and Judahism...all 3 make up the religion of the desertGod.

Its not solid and demands blind faith....it all started with Judahism the Xristianity followed by Islam.....Amen

 

Just be Gay........live well

[Guest Guest]

What really puzzles me is this.....

 

Most xristians say homosexuality its wrong and a sin against God...

OR rather you can be gay but you cannot practise gay sex because its a sin.

 

Xristians that are gay say tis ok............

Another type of xristian sect is formed amonst thousands of others as well.

 

It shows how flawed this whole thing is...get real its pointing to man made rules that can be conveniently altered to serve its purpose.

The same goes with Islam and Judahism...all 3 make up the religion of the desertGod.

Its not solid and demands blind faith....it all started with Judahism the Xristianity followed by Islam.....Amen

 

Just be Gay........live well

This makes me wonder for Christians who accept that it's ok to be gay and to engage in gay sex, do they only practise having gay sex within a relationship exclusively, treating the relationship as the next best thing to a gay marriage as it's not recognised here. Then again we are going to have problems defining a gay relationship.

 

The bible explicitly forbid sex outside of a marriage. If fact, marrying non-Christians is also frowned upon and if a Christian has a non-Christian girl friend or boy friend the pressure is to convert them before marrying. So for gay Christians to uphold the sanctity of a gay relationship deemed to be approved by God, isn't causal sex or sex before you enter into a relationship a sin? Or is there a difference between straight sex and gay sex that gay sex is exempted from the wrath of God?

 

St Paul In his second Corinthian letter charged: “Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers” (6:14). Many churches have used this to discourage matrimonial union between believers and non believers. So if you are a gay Christian do you make an effort to choose a Christian bf? Do you abstain from casual sex and have sex exclusively only in a relationship? You have my utmost respect if you do and whatever you want to share about your religion I would listen with reverent as you are a living example of your religious teachings.

 

So esteemed Christians who had been sharing your faith here, where do you stand?

[Guest Guest]

The above 2 posts looks like going to invite a lot of objections. If u find anything that they said is inaccurate or disagreeable, please be mindful to enlighten us in a convincing, polite and unemotional manner and refrain from using inflammatory, hostile or words that antagonise.

 

[Guest Guest]

The above 2 posts looks like going to invite a lot of objections. If u find anything that they said is inaccurate or disagreeable, please be mindful to enlighten us in a convincing, polite and unemotional manner and refrain from using inflammatory, hostile or words that antagonise.

Can u enlighten us what is impolite and inflammatory about the posts u mentioned? Which are the words that are hostile that will antagonise? I'm clueless! U mean people cannot ask questions?

[Guest Guest]

The above 2 posts looks like going to invite a lot of objections. If u find anything that they said is inaccurate or disagreeable, please be mindful to enlighten us in a convincing, polite and unemotional manner and refrain from using inflammatory, hostile or words that antagonise.

U must have found the posts objectionable and have the correct answers to convince us. Then why don't u do so? Doesn't your post consist of accusations too whether they are baseless or not? Readers here are not gullible and they can easily with a click of the mouse read up information to form their own conclusion. U don't have to worry, Light will drive away Darkness and the Truth can stand by itself.

 

I, for one, find that if Christians here can answer some of the questions posted it can help us non Christians because I'm seeing a gay Christian but he's quite confused about getting into a serous relationship because of his religion.

[Guest Guest]

The above 2 posts looks like going to invite a lot of objections. If u find anything that they said is inaccurate or disagreeable, please be mindful to enlighten us in a convincing, polite and unemotional manner and refrain from using inflammatory, hostile or words that antagonise.

why u only mention posts #118 & #119.     Why u skip post #117 entirely or agree with the poster?

[Guest Guest]

Can u enlighten us what is impolite and inflammatory about the posts u mentioned? Which are the words that are hostile that will antagonise? I'm clueless! U mean people cannot ask questions?

 

Posts 118 and 119 are marineboy and one guest’s opinions. I could not sense anything impolite or inflammatory.

 

Which are the words that are hostile that will antagonise? Read post 117 lower pasted portion and see whether is it hostile. Observe his tone and compare with the kind of tone adopted by Gosh and FirstTimer.

 

U mean people cannot ask questions? That was not what I meant. I have been asking Gosh plenty of questions and he tried his best to provide explanation. I was not satisfied with his answer but I was never rude to him and his replies were also very professional.

 

The picture should now be clearer for you now. The discussions will be more meaningful without the hostilities. Enjoy the discussion J

[FirsTimer]

What really puzzles me is this.....

 

Most xristians say homosexuality its wrong and a sin against God...

OR rather you can be gay but you cannot practise gay sex because its a sin.

 

Xristians that are gay say tis ok............

Another type of xristian sect is formed amonst thousands of others as well.

 

It shows how flawed this whole thing is...get real its pointing to man made rules that can be conveniently altered to serve its purpose.

The same goes with Islam and Judahism...all 3 make up the religion of the desertGod.

Its not solid and demands blind faith....it all started with Judahism the Xristianity followed by Islam.....Amen

 

Just be Gay........live well

 

 

What is flawed? The fact that there isnt a single set of ideology that could keep Christians united make Christianity flawed? Hm.. It is merely a different belief that people have altogether. I wouldnt render things flawed for a single minor disharmony.. Anyway there is indeed a single correct way to live a Christian life (follow the Bible).. Perhaps it's different interpretations of the texts that separates us. Personally for me, Im just living in the denial that being gay is fine. I already read that (homosexuality is sexual immorality) and indeed is it a verse in the Bible. I just need more time to sort my flaw out. Not to sort the flaw in Christianity out for Christianity has always been "that correct way it is".