Discussion On Being Gay & Christian (Compiled)

[FirsTimer]

This makes me wonder for Christians who accept that it's ok to be gay and to engage in gay sex, do they only practise having gay sex within a relationship exclusively, treating the relationship as the next best thing to a gay marriage as it's not recognised here. Then again we are going to have problems defining a gay relationship.

 

The bible explicitly forbid sex outside of a marriage. If fact, marrying non-Christians is also frowned upon and if a Christian has a non-Christian girl friend or boy friend the pressure is to convert them before marrying. So for gay Christians to uphold the sanctity of a gay relationship deemed to be approved by God, isn't causal sex or sex before you enter into a relationship a sin? Or is there a difference between straight sex and gay sex that gay sex is exempted from the wrath of God?

 

St Paul In his second Corinthian letter charged: “Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers” (6:14). Many churches have used this to discourage matrimonial union between believers and non believers. So if you are a gay Christian do you make an effort to choose a Christian bf? Do you abstain from casual sex and have sex exclusively only in a relationship? You have my utmost respect if you do and whatever you want to share about your religion I would listen with reverent as you are a living example of your religious teachings.

 

So esteemed Christians who had been sharing your faith here, where do you stand?

 

 

Let's just talk about double standards in mankind. 

        - the end -

[Guest Guest]

U must have found the posts objectionable and have the correct answers to convince us. Then why don't u do so? Doesn't your post consist of accusations too whether they are baseless or not? Readers here are not gullible and they can easily with a click of the mouse read up information to form their own conclusion. U don't have to worry, Light will drive away Darkness and the Truth can stand by itself.

 

I, for one, find that if Christians here can answer some of the questions posted it can help us non Christians because I'm seeing a gay Christian but he's quite confused about getting into a serous relationship because of his religion.

U have totally misunderstood. I don’t find posts 118 & 119 objectionable, so I have no answers to support or refute their opinions or convince u.

 

What accusations were contained in my post?

 

I disagree with u that readers are not gullible. U might not be gullible, but look at those people who are still donating profusely every week despite investigations were already on going. So u see why I disagree with you?

 

I am not Christian. But base on my observations, when it comes to remarks like what is contained in post 118 & 119, u will receive very hostile response. It already happened, see post 117. They become very defensive when u cast doubts on their faiths or the integrity of their leaders. On the first day of trial, supporters were quite rough with photographers when they tried to shield their leaders from photo taking. Subsequently, there appear to be an internal instruction to allow photographers to do their job as the incident was reported on newspapers and didn’t reflect well on them.

 

So now u see why I say post 118 & 119 will evoke nasty responses?

 

I agree with you, certainly it will be great for them to answer some of our questions. I have many questions which I failed to get satisfactory answers. Hope u and your date are coping well with your struggles. Sorry there is not much help i can offer, i wish i can.

 

Cheers

 

[FirsTimer]

Can u enlighten us what is impolite and inflammatory about the posts u mentioned? Which are the words that are hostile that will antagonise? I'm clueless! U mean people cannot ask questions?

 

It's not about asking questions or not... Asking 1 + 1 equating to what is definitely not rude unless my underlying motive is to insult your intelligence. (and me using such silly example, is an example of attempting to be unpleasant as it could be perceived as a form of mockery). Pretty impolite, you see... 

 

So esteemed Christians who had been sharing your faith here, where do you stand?

 

Attempted hostility as displayed above. He could always ask "So Christians who had been sharing you faith here, where do you stand?" to achieve the same effect of getting "us" to reply. But why include the word "esteemed"? It is to suggest a certain degree of snobbishness within "us". Elimination, or the leaving out of such phrasing, could make the world a better place as personal attacks are kept at the minimum and hopefully kept at zero ..

Edited September 6, 2013 by FirsTimer

[Guest Guest]

why u only mention posts #118 & #119.     Why u skip post #117 entirely or agree with the poster?

Post 117 (the lower pasted portion) is the most hostile of the 3 posts. Why i skip? If don't skip, then what? Keep mentioning post 117 to incite and induce people to quarrel meh? I am just trying to do my small bit here to eliminate hostilities. 

 

Correct or not?

[Guest Guest]

why u only mention posts #118 & #119.     Why u skip post #117 entirely or agree with the poster?

Post 117 (the lower pasted portion) is the most hostile of the 3 posts. Why i skip? If don't skip, then what? Keep mentioning post 117 to incite and induce people to quarrel meh? I am just trying to do my small bit here to eliminate hostilities. 

 

Correct or not?

[Guest pls shut this thread]

Moderators should close this thread. It is about the Christian religion and bitching is going on and on. It's worse than the 'Pastor Lawrence Khong Makes More Anti-Lgbt Statements' was locked and why shouldn't this? Unless the moderator is biased towards the Christian religion. Who give the fuck about all these manners here.

 

Go and be gay and Christian and go to heaven but just shut up.

[Guest Guest]

Actually the guest ask something quite true:  As gay Christian, do you find casual sex sinful and what about watching porn? I think this question more down to earth than whether gay Christian can go heaven or not.

[FirsTimer]

Post 117 (the lower pasted portion) is the most hostile of the 3 posts. Why i skip? If don't skip, then what? Keep mentioning post 117 to incite and induce people to quarrel meh? I am just trying to do my small bit here to eliminate hostilities. 

 

Correct or not?

 

Hahaha ok can =)

[FirsTimer]

Moderators should close this thread. It is about the Christian religion and bitching is going on and on. It's worse than the 'Pastor Lawrence Khong Makes More Anti-Lgbt Statements' was locked and why shouldn't this? Unless the moderator is biased towards the Christian religion. Who give the fuck about all these manners here.

 

Go and be gay and Christian and go to heaven but just shut up.

 

Shut yourself too =)

Edited September 6, 2013 by FirsTimer

[Guest Guest]

Shut yourself too =)

we keep talking about hostilities here, why u go and reply in this manner???? Wait u see, he will retaliate. It is pointless. Don't reciprocate hostility with hostility.

[Guest Guest]

Personally for me, Im just living in the denial that being gay is fine. I already read that (homosexuality is sexual immorality) and indeed is it a verse in the Bible. I just need more time to sort my flaw out. Not to sort the flaw in Christianity out for Christianity has always been "that correct way it is".

I admire your courage in admitting the denial and the others have a lot to learn from you in this respect. I went through the same thing years ago and I'm sure you'll find peace in whatever place you'll come to in your own time.

 

Btw is it 'in denial that being gay is fine for a Christian' that you mean? If it is, don't ever think that being gay is not fine for whatever reasons  

[FirsTimer]

we keep talking about hostilities here, why u go and reply in this manner???? Wait u see, he will retaliate. It is pointless. Don't reciprocate hostility with hostility.

 

Huh.. I feel very strongly that talk nicely to him also wont enter his mind. Aiya ok I dont want talk le nights =D

[FirsTimer]

I admire your courage in admitting the denial and the others have a lot to learn from you in this respect. I went through the same thing years ago and I'm sure you'll find peace in whatever place you'll come to in your own time.

 

Btw is it 'in denial that being gay is fine for a Christian' that you mean? If it is, don't ever think that being gay is not fine for whatever reasons  

 

I get your "denial".. Paiseh to disappoint, my denial is what you feel less impressive about hahah..

[Guest Guest]

Post 117 (the lower pasted portion) is the most hostile of the 3 posts. Why i skip? If don't skip, then what? Keep mentioning post 117 to incite and induce people to quarrel meh? I am just trying to do my small bit here to eliminate hostilities. 

 

Correct or not?

isn't it your intention all the while. the evidences are in the your posts.

[Guest Guest]

Huh.. I feel very strongly that talk nicely to him also wont enter his mind. Aiya ok I dont want talk le nights =D

then you should pray and ask the HOLY SPIRIT do something

[FirsTimer]

then you should pray and ask the HOLY SPIRIT do something

 

0.0 You serious? You believer?

 

Hey do you have an account here? I think I should befriend you =D

[Guest Guest]

It's not about asking questions or not... Asking 1 + 1 equating to what is definitely not rude unless my underlying motive is to insult your intelligence. (and me using such silly example, is an example of attempting to be unpleasant as it could be perceived as a form of mockery). Pretty impolite, you see... 

 

 

Attempted hostility as displayed above. He could always ask "So Christians who had been sharing you faith here, where do you stand?" to achieve the same effect of getting "us" to reply. But why include the word "esteemed"? It is to suggest a certain degree of snobbishness within "us". Elimination, or the leaving out of such phrasing, could make the world a better place as personal attacks are kept at the minimum and hopefully kept at zero ..

wah I don't know that there is a protocol when talking to Christians....particularly gay christians

[Guest Guest]

0.0 You serious? You believer?

 

Hey do you have an account here? I think I should befriend you =D

ex believer...pray for me also no use liao

 

Doesn't mean use the word HOLY SPIRIT mean I christian

[FirsTimer]

ex believer...pray for me also no use liao

 

Doesn't mean use the word HOLY SPIRIT mean I christian

 

lol ok not interested in befriending too?

nehmind!

[Guest luke 6.29]

If you call urself Christian, can you do this:

 

 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.

Luke 6.29

 

 

 

[studdyboy]

I'm gay... And I'm Christian...

Theological debates are always never ending...

Just focus on loving God and others~ it makes live a lot easier n happier

[Guest gosh!]

I'm gay... And I'm Christian...

Theological debates are always never ending...

Just focus on loving God and others~ it makes live a lot easier n happier

Hi, me too!

I totally agree with you, and this was what I was trying to express in the other thread before it was locked.

[studdyboy]

Hi, me too!

I totally agree with you, and this was what I was trying to express in the other thread before it was locked.

pity that u don't have a profile here~ it would be good to get to know alike minds!

[Guest Guest]

Hi, me too!

I totally agree with you, and this was what I was trying to express in the other thread before it was locked.

I agree with you too that the debates or rather the arguments are pointless. Wonder why the moderator still don't close this thread since the other one was already locked. Don't have to wait till things got uglier to do it as the religious content already is against the rules here.

[Guest Matthew 7.3]

May my Christian brothers take heed:

 

Matthew 7:3
And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?NKJV

 

The unbelievers do not know the Word but you do.

[Guest Guest]

This one is a very meaningful one. But don't just deliver this sermon to christian brothers, it will sound like discrimination against them. It should be delivered to all non christians as well. 

 

I couldn't understand this verse, so i looked up wikipedia for explanation, and would like to share with non christians here :

 

In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye

but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

The meaning of this verse is fairly clear, it is an attack on the hypocrites who attack others for their small flaws, while ignoring their own massive ones. Those who judge others, but do not evaluate themselves. It has a dual meaning, first attacking the hypocrisy of those who criticize others while ignoring their own much larger flaws, and since the flaw is in the eye it is a metaphor for how such flaws can blind one.

 

By the way, do the Pastas still use king james version nowadays when they preach? Old language, more difficult to understand

 

     

[Guest zadcxv]

LIST OF MISTAKES MADE BY THE GOD OF THE OLD BOOK.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_mistakes_made_by_God

 

List of mistakes made by God

 

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Below is a list of slip-ups that the so-called "perfect" God of Christian, Jewish, and Islamic faith has made.

Contents  [hide] 

• 1 God's mistakes in roughly chronological order
• 2 Worldbuilding fail
• 3 Failure to use intelligent design protocols when creating humans
• 4 Failure to use intelligent design protocols when creating other animals
• 5 Potential conclusion
• 6 See also
• 7 Footnotes

[edit] God's mistakes in roughly chronological order

• Creating Satan and not keeping a close eye on him.
• Created female counterparts for all the males of each species, yet forgot to make a female human until (at the least) a day later. Because Adam was sent around to every animal God had created and told to name them, and clearly noticed that his was the only race without a female, he may have been tempted towards acts of bestiality.
• Proceeding to create Eve out of Adam's rib, rather than out of thin air like his omnipotent self. First, the poor guy's missing a rib for the rest of his life. Second, Eve was then made out of Adam, so all love from then on out was reduced to narcissism, and all human sex and procreation reduced to masturbation.^[1]
• God couldn't find Adam in the Garden of Eden. He also didn't realise that Adam and Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit until they complained that they were naked. Evidently, this God doesn't know everything.
• He also had to ask Cain where Abel was. Omniscient, indeed.
• Letting things on Earth get so out of hand that he had to wipe the slate and start over.^[2]
• While he's wiping the slate, He simply refuses to wipe the slate totally clean. He has to save Noah and family for the next round of inbreeding, instead of re-creating humanity from scratch. This leads to the next round of wiping the slate known as the Great Tribulation^[wp] or Yawm ad-Din^[wp].
• Due to that aforementioned wiping of the slate, the unleashing of an ecological holocaust unlike anything the earth will ever see again.
• Going nuts because of the Tower of Babel, but doing nothing about this tower, topping at 2,684 ft.
• The inability to tell the first-born Hebrew kids from the first-born Egyptian kids, requesting a slap of blood on the doors as a friendly reminder.
• The vessel was marred in the potter's hand (Jeremiah 18:4). God admit's he screwed up in making man, calling into question whether we're responsible for our own sin.
• Fathered a son through an engaged virgin, (secretly, and without any prior notice to her fiancé) in open defiance to the laws he himself set back in Deuteronomy 22:25, and expected her to be honored. Note: she was a virgin. Result: the most painful childbirth in history, where the hymen was broken not by being pushed in, but by being pulled apart by the expansion of the uterus.^[3]
• Wrote the Old Testament and then had to send his Only Begotten Son down to revise it, leaving everyone thoroughly confused.
• After his Only Begotten Son had come and gone God still hadn't got his message across properly^[4] and a few hundred years later had to get some messenger call Gabriel to dictate^[5] Version 3.0^[6] to some bloke called Mohammed.
• Telling us (through clergies) that we will be judged on how we decide to act in life, while designing the world around the idea that how we decide to act has been predetermined.

[edit] Worldbuilding fail

• Bangladesh. A large patch of extremely rich, low-lying, well-watered soil, at a relatively low latitude and with a warm climate, suitable for year-round cultivation: I'm down with that kind of intelligent design. Mad props to Allah. But, really -- to put it in hurricane country, all within a few metres of sea level, at the tip of a triangular funnel of ocean that does for hurricane storm surges what the Bay of Fundy does for the tide, and at the top of a long, gently inclining seabed that's just about perfectly shaped to maximize wave heights? That sounds more like mean-drunk design to me.
• California. The day will come when we'll all be swimming in Arizona Bay.^[7]

[edit] Failure to use intelligent design protocols when creating humans

• Physical birth defects, intersex conditions and transsexualism (incorrect gender of the brain pre-natally developed).
• Aging, which is quite literally caused by a biological error in cells.
• Placement of the male external genitalia in a rather easy to attack position (unless it was deliberate to allow women easy retaliation).
• And on the subject of genitalia... why are the same members that are used for body waste excretion also used for the most fun and interesting activities that humans can engage in? And why is a man's G spot in his anus if anal sex is forbidden by God?
• Not being able to correctly calculate the number of teeth necessary to fill the average adult human mouth.^[8]
• Use of a particularly inefficient system when making the vertebrate eye.
• Error in testosterone management system which consequently makes many men go bald.^[9]
• Giving humans appendixes, which occasionally swell up and try to kill their owners.
• The provision of a really bad, sometimes lethal, system of giving birth. (Though it may not have been so bad at first - He deliberately made it more painful to cruelly punish all women for the original sin thing.)
• Failure to provide a system to synthesize vitamin C (or the failure in design that humans need vitamin C to begin with).
• Drinking and laughing at the same time - makes the drink come out of the person's nose. Or potentially choke the victim of such a lousy design.
• Human back - seems to cause a disproportionate number of problems which is usually followed by Vicodin addiction.
• Reaction to cold virus: stop up the nose so a person cannot breathe. Brilliant design, that!
• Auto-immune disorders, cause we all know we are our own worst enemy.
• The inability to operate at anything like an adequate efficiency without regular and lengthy periods of sleep.
• Body hair
• Hangnails
• Referred pain. You might actually be having a potentially fatal heart attack. Unfortunately your body is telling you have pain in your shoulder, neck or left arm.
• Cancer
• Oncogenes - genes that exist solely to give us cancer.
• Memory -- or, why can you remember exactly where you were on 9/11, but you can't remember where you laid down your keys five minutes ago?
• The ulnar nerve -- aka, "funny bone" -- is located on the outside of the elbow joint. Thanks to this placement, if you bang your elbow against a hard surface, you will feel like you were stabbed in the elbow. Bang this nerve hard enough and you may lose the use of your fingers.
• Dogs and cats can lick their backs, feet, legs, bellies, butts and crotches. So why can't we? What makes them so special?
• Humans will pass out at 12 Gs, and will die at 18 Gs. Cockroaches can survive 120 Gs! How come those creepy crawlers are harder to kill than us!
• And while we're at it, why can't we rotate our heads more than 180 degrees? An owl can twist its head almost 360 degrees! It's not like an owl needs to back up a car or keep track of high-spirited children!
• Other primates have nostrils that face forward, making it impossible for them swim face down. Human nostrils point down, so we can swim. So why don't we come with a persistent and innate ability to swim rather than just a primitive reflex that we quickly lose? Or at least tread water? Does God like to see His children drown?^[10]
• Intoxicants: Pleasurable (good); addictive, DTs, can diminish your inhibitions to the point you might harm yourself and/or others, potentially harmful to your health, possibly lethal (bad). So, (a) why create them in the first place; and (b) why make them so pleasurable and addictive?
• And why are so many other things -- food, sex, shopping, etc. -- addictive?
• And what the hell is up with OCD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, dyslexia, aphasia, etc.?
• Homosexuality (if you view it from a fundamentalist viewpoint). If it's so wrong, why does the almighty allow it to exist^[11]?
• Paris Hilton
• Only two physical sexes (intersex people aside), and (most) people stay in one of them throughout life? Surely a supernally intelligent being could think up something more interesting than that.

[edit] Failure to use intelligent design protocols when creating other animals

A prime example of unintelligent design.

• Not giving whales or dolphins gills, so they have to surface in order to breathe.
• The emu's wing is a spectacularly unnecessary appendage. Ditto the ostrich and kiwi.
  • The extinct moas had no wings at all. Which means, He toyed with the idea, but backpedaled.
• One word: platypus
  • OK, a few more words: The platypus, which looks like a beaver with a duck's bill, is questionable but acceptable. But why do the males -- and only the males -- have venomous spurs on their heels? Now that's just freaky! And let's not even GO into the genetics of bird, reptile and mammal. Or the fact they lay eggs.
• Giving koalas backward facing pouches.
• Giving bats solid bones, which are difficult to fly with, and giving emus hollow bones, which are easier to fly with, now that is opposite of what is required.
• Giving mammals a nerve that runs from the brain to the larynx via the aortic arch - which doesn't seem like too much of an out-of-the-way trip until you look at a giraffe.
• Various entomological tragedies towards males in copulation, such such as the testicular explosion and death of male honey bees and the sexual cannibalism among praying mantises.

Of course, all of this is perfectly compatible with intelligent design when you reflect that one of the common manifestation of intelligence is a sense of humor.

[edit] Potential conclusion

In view of God's proclivity for what may be described as manufacturing defects (see above), his stunning time overruns (4.5 billion years to complete a 6-day job?), and the plain evidence that humanity was developed by a low bidder, we can reasonably conclude that the most likely explanation is that God is a government contractor.

[edit] See also

Can you even see the wing of this Emu?

• Old Testament oddities
• Unintelligent design
• Who is this God person anyway?

[edit] Footnotes

1. ↑ To be fair, it can be argued that any method of creating Eve sequentially after Adam will suffer similar problems: creating Eve out of thin air → human sex is sex with air (similar to masturbation); Creating Eve from dirt just like Adam → Human sex is then self pleasuring with sex toys, with the catch that the sex toys themselves can become pregnant.
2. ↑ Although this could be chalked up to giving humans the free will to get out of hand.
3. ↑ That, or it is not painful at all since she is not tainted with the original sin. However, it is not clear why the omnipotent God did not do that (immaculate conception) to other people to stop them from being tainted with the original sin as well.
4. ↑ Despite the attempt to lock the discussion with Revelation 22:18-19
5. ↑ Just utter brilliance to have things lost in translation somewhere in the middle.
6. ↑ Or Version 4.0 (revision control was a mess back then), since you have the Tawrat(Torah), Zabur(Psalms), Injil(Gospels), and Qur'an as the holy books according to the view of Islam.
7. ↑ Humor courtesy of the late, great Bill Hicks. But then you already knew that, didn't you.
8. ↑ For the argument that it is an adaptive design, the excessive probability that the teeth will grow in an incorrect direction which usually requires medical intervention.
9. ↑ Or if going bald is better in any way, Error in testosterone management system which consequently makes many other men have hair.
10. ↑ Judging from the Great Flood story and the Exodus, the answer to this last question is a definite "yes."
11. ↑ Unless of course, homosexual acts are independent from homosexuality, as suggested by Larry Craig and Ted Haggard

 

I think religions apologist have not a rational brain

 

[Guest Guest]

 

This one is a very meaningful one. But don't just deliver this sermon to christian brothers, it will sound like discrimination against them. It should be delivered to all non christians as well. 

 

I couldn't understand this verse, so i looked up wikipedia for explanation, and would like to share with non christians here :

 

In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye

but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

The meaning of this verse is fairly clear, it is an attack on the hypocrites who attack others for their small flaws, while ignoring their own massive ones. Those who judge others, but do not evaluate themselves. It has a dual meaning, first attacking the hypocrisy of those who criticize others while ignoring their own much larger flaws, and since the flaw is in the eye it is a metaphor for how such flaws can blind one.

 

By the way, do the Pastas still use king james version nowadays when they preach? Old language, more difficult to understand

 

I'm the guest who posted the verse and thought that Christians are already very familiar with it. It's meant to be just a reminder before we get too carried away with the arguments. But thanks for making it clearer for everyone. If we are aware of the teachings and others are ignorant it's not their faults. We should restraint ourselves and examine our attitudes first.

 

Regarding the King James Version, there are Christians groups that insist that it is the best English translation that needs no further enhancements. It is still widely used.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Only_movement

[Chiamsy]

Which church are u guys from or go to

Edited September 8, 2013 by Chiamsy

[FirsTimer]

Which church are u guys from or go to

 

Hope Church! Anyone from Hope as well?

[Guest kel]

The universe is so huge, you cannot be sure there is only one god. Like in other faiths, the christians' beliefs are based on their texts, and perceptions. Perceptions r not perfect. Texts r written by different authors based on their own level of understanding and interpretation. Clearly, faiths r good for moral mental guidance but cannot be "blinded" by it. Life experiences in different cultures as you grow older will bring u out of the "well". Some homo are due to their genes. Some homo because of influence. Some homo due to evil spirits only if the person shows many symtoms of extremities otherwise it is not due to this.

[Guest Peace guest]

Yes moderator pls lock this thread as its really pointless to share such things in a secular thread no matter how objective the person is he had already formed a preconceived prejudice pov when he can't accept some harsh sayings or so called truths to xtians from the bible. Sometimes the bible verses are rather hard truths and harsh to accept.. IMHO . And usually prebelivers will find it rather hostile condescending and judgmental .

May I encourage the person who is curious abt xtian faith to go attend a church or visit the gay church in sg free community church and talk face to face with xtians there.. Sometimes in a forum like this.. The tone is being misunderstood as hostile confrontational .. Talking face to face is actually better.

By the way I do agree with some of the xtians here too as I was a xtian bef.. Couldn't reconcile my gay lifestyle so I chose to leave church but I still believe in God.

Cheers and peace to all:)

[lohwpr]

During the time when I was a Christian struggling to reconcile my sexuality with the religion, I was just hanging at the lower end of this rope called Salvation and God was holding the other end in Heaven. The fear that God would cut the rope to punish my sin as a gay haunted me endlessly. Will the rope be cut or do I have the strength to pull myself up to heaven and finally meet up with Him? I know all the bible teachings about the issue. But I didn't have peace.

 

I could find no reconciliation between my sexuality and the religion and decided to let go of my hands. I went into free fall for many years peeling of the layers of guilt, fear and doubts. When I finally hit the bottom there was no hell. When I lifted my head up there was no heaven either. I realised then I just came back to earth, a beautiful blue planet without the Devil or God.

 

I admire those of you who can reconcile the Christian faith and your sexuality. But I'm happier now not being a Christian. May God bless you.

Wow....... so well written. This is the exactly how I felt and now I am liberated. 

[Guest forgot to log in]

I'm gay... And I'm Christian...

Theological debates are always never ending...

Just focus on loving God and others~ it makes live a lot easier n happier

Absolutely!

 

I just read a book by the recent Pope.  He did touch a bit on homosexuality in his book though. He said that gay marriages should not be understood based on the point of religion only, and should take in considerations of anthropological and social matters that the church is not adequate to answer on its own. He mentioned that the church has been far behind in addressing social issues and is too slow to cope up with the problems such as divorces and stuff. This is true though, as i am a Catholic, i can understand what he means. Divorcees are treated as sinners by the church's teaching and are not advised to receive communion for the past few decades. It is only for these few years that the church begins to encourage the return of these divorcees back to the church. It is all a matter of conscience against fundamentalism. If you accept a church's teaching blindly, you have the risk of being a fundamentalist, which is a Bad thing. The pope mentioned this, and all of us are advised to exercise our free will given to us by God; question our faith time to time, do not follow blindly, we are people with real feelings and conscience.

 

When you believe in God, you should act with conscience towards others, no matter your religion. Only when you condescend other religions, or attacking for the sake of hate, you risk of being a fundamentalist yourself.

 

When i read this thread, i realised there are different kinds of atheist, as there are different kinds of christians here. But which kind of atheists/christians are you? The one who seeks to win all arguments, or the one who prefers to share but still respect each others view of life?

[Guest Guest]

Wow....... so well written. This is the exactly how I felt and now I am liberated. 

I wrote this because I felt this way for so long and thought there must be others who might feel the same. Thanks, it feels so good to know I'm not alone in the struggle.

[Guest Guest]

What is your purpose of going to the church?

I dun go to church and I am not a believer.

Does your church "embrace" gay lifestyle in the sense that it sees nothing wrong with it or does it simply "tolerate" gay lifestyle the way it also tolerates other sins? If e latter then what is your purpose of going to church? To seek forgiveness? But are you ready to repent and turn straight? If not then what does going to church make of you? A recalcitrant Sinner or a hypocrite?

[Guest Guest]

Those who have left the church or still struggling with the Christian faith can visit www.ex-Christian.net for support.

[Guest Guest]

This George Carling video really tickles me :0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6RT6rL2UroE

[superflawless]

[Guest Guest]

'I see her just as another woman'

September 11, 2013 - 1:13am

 

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Ng Jun Sen

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She used to be a husband and father. He used to be criticised for his “offensive” comments about the transgender community.

Now they are set to become man and wife.

Ms Fanny Ler, 39, who was Mr Frankie Ler until 2010 when he had a sex change operation, and Mr Zack Ling, 35, dated like any couple would in a relationship.

Mr Ling said: "I see her just as another woman."

But their friends and families, especially Mr Ling’s, were less accepting of their relationship. He still hopes that his family will turn up for their wedding next February at the Free Community Church, which accepts same-sex and transgender relationships.

Read the full report in The New Paper on Wednesday (Sept 11)

 

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Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

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Ignorant lout, to be husband

Friday, September 13, 2013 - 06:30

Ng Jun Sen

The New Paper

SINGAPORE - He grabbed a metal fork, ready to defend himself.

But Mr Zack Ling wasn't being robbed or attacked.

The chef was introducing his girlfriend to his family at the dinner table.

 

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"I was afraid that my father would do something violent," he said.

After a long silence, his father, who was a military man, said: "Okay. You have my blessing." His girlfriend, Ms Fanny Ler, sat beside Mr Ling at the dinner table quietly.

Ms Ler was formerly a man.

As the eldest son in a conservative Buddhist family, Mr Ling said his father had expected him to find a "normal" partner.

He said he used to drink a lot and hang out with gangs.

He even thought that all transgender people were streetwalkers.

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She was a man; he was ignorant about the LGBT community

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Then, before he met Ms Ler, he dated some lesbians and other transgender persons.

His family did not know about his past relationships.

During national service, he even tried to go out with someone in his unit who crossdressed as a female, he said.

Many of his friends are from the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) community.

"I don't see them as abnormal," he said. "Being LGBT does not make you less human."

On the recommendations of friends, he went to websites like SgButterfly.org, an online group for cross-dressers and transsexuals.

But he was ignorant about the community at first and made others think that he harboured a fetish.

"I used the wrong terminology when I referred to them and had a lot of misconceptions about trans people," he said.

But his ignorance turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

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She was a man; he was ignorant about the LGBT community

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It led to him getting to know Ms Ler after she offered to correct his mistakes.

"She changed my life and she made me more mature," he said.

Mr Ling maintains he is straight and has no unique preferences in a partner.

"I don't care what kind of group my partner is classified as.

"If they are a woman inside, they are a woman to me," he said

 

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Witness #2: Man from stomach of hell

Then, he saw another gentleman brought out on a stretch amidst a commotion from a distance. Jesus told Philip that this man had died a long time ago. Hence, he was brought deeper into the stomach of hell. This man was brought nearer with many demons surrounding him, demons he served when he was alive. From his built, Philip could tell that he was a man but all he could see was a skeleton with melted flesh.

None of the demons touched the man he saw but they chanted their worship to Satan and celebrated their victory over this man. And then, Philip heard them chanting the word, “Sex! Sex! Sex!” And immediately, worm-like creatures would come out from the crevices of his body including his eyes, nose, genital areas, and belly. These creatures are living beings created by the breath of God that ate its flesh away. The Lord told Philip that this man was involved in all kinds of sexual activity including masturbation and homosexual relationship...

From "Trip to Hell- Philip Mantofa" http://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/trip-hell-crusade-philip-mantofa/

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What sermon was shared in your church ?

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Hell Now A Thriving Epicenter Of Gay Culture

THE MALEBOLGE, NETHER REGIONS OF DARKNESS—Noting the incredible rate at which the community has grown, sources confirmed Thursday that Hell, the Endless Kingdom of Misery, is now a booming haven of gay culture.

The Great Abyss, home of the damned, is reportedly inhabited by some 600 million condemned homosexual or transgender souls, a large proportion of its total population, and has by many accounts blossomed into an oasis of gay activism and community events.

“I’ve only been here for a few months, but I’ve already fallen in love with it,” said 49-year-old Daniel Edelson, adding that he has already befriended hundreds of fellow gay men and women in the accursed underworld, all of whom have welcomed him with open arms. “The streets of fire and brimstone are full of so many great cafés, restaurants, bakeries, independent bookstores, and of course plenty of gay bars and clubs. There’s just so much to do.”

“My favorite place is this wonderful little promenade along the River Styx, where couples always take walks together on the weekends,” continued Edelson. “I’d say this is easily the most LGBT-friendly place I’ve ever lived.”

According to sources, the deepest bowels of Hell have over the past several millennia developed a thriving gay community that is said to rival the likes of the New York City neighborhood of Chelsea, San Francisco’s Castro District, Soho in London, and the Boystown section of Chicago.

Along with its wide variety of gay-friendly businesses, the Underworld is also home to The 666, a sprawling, five-story gay nightclub that is reportedly the largest such establishment ever built. Reports confirmed The 666 is one of the most popular destinations in the Nine Circles, offering drag shows, multiple dance floors, six-headed go-go dancers, and live music.

“It’s just nice to finally live in a place where I don’t feel like an outcast or an outsider,” said Vanessa Aldridge, 38, stressing that she has faced absolutely no discrimination since she, like all homosexuals and gay sympathizers, was sentenced to an eternity in Lucifer’s Den immediately upon her death. “There’s no stigma attached to openly being who I am here. Everyone is respected and free to live the way they want to live.”

“It’s really refreshing, frankly, to live in a place where nobody gives me any weird looks when I walk hand-in-hand with my girlfriend,” Aldridge continued. “And all of the other eternally damned homosexuals down here feel the same. I thank Satan every day for welcoming me here.”

Hell has been widely celebrated by gay rights leaders for its far-reaching acceptance of alternative lifestyles, and residents told reporters it is incredibly common to see a rainbow flag hanging over various shop awnings, in car windows, or atop thrones of blood-soaked bones and rotting flesh. Additionally, the Inferno’s Gay Pride Parade, held every July in the Second Circle, is noted for its extravagance and high attendance rate.

Reports confirmed that, with thousands more homosexual souls flooding the Gates of Hell every day, the Chasm of Wickedness and Sin has truly become a sanctuary for gays and lesbians alike, a feeling proudly shared by a majority of heterosexual locals.

“The gay community has really flourished here, and I have to say, they’ve been great for the place,” said Nephirem the Malevolent, a 10,000-year-old, 70-foot-tall minotaur who has resided in hell since rising from the ashes of a smokeless flame. “At the end of the day, they’re just like anyone else. Everyone has the right to express their love for whomever they want. They don’t bother me in the slightest, and if anything, we in the Dark Lord’s Army encourage any and all public displays of affection between same-sex couples.”

“I think it’s great that they’ve carved out such a strong community for themselves here,” added the horned beast of ceaseless death and destruction. “I’m all for it.”

In stark contrast to Hell’s ongoing embrace of persecuted groups, sources confirmed that Heaven remains the most bigoted and intolerant place in the universe.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hell-now-a-thriving-epicenter-of-gay-culture,33928/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview%3A1%3ADefault

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Gary Hall Says Homophobia Is A Sin; National Cathedral Dean Speaks Out During LGTB Weekend Of Honor

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/gary-hall-national-cathedral-homobia-is-a-sin_n_4057614.html

The Dean of Washington's National Cathedral, Rev. Gary Hall, came out in no uncertain terms this weekend to denounce LGTB discrimination in his Sunday sermon.

"We must now have the courage to take the final step and call homophobia and heterosexism what they are. They are sin. Homophobia is a sin.Heterosexism is a sin. Shaming people for whom they love is a sin," said Dean Hall. He continued, "Only when all our churches say that clearly and boldly and courageously will our LGBT youth be free to grow up in a culture that totally embraces them fully as they are."

He criticized the role that some churches have in advancing oppression of LGTB youth, saying, "It’s more than tragic—in fact it’s shameful--that faith communities, especially Christian ones, continue to be complicit in putting our children at risk and abetting the attitudes that oppress them, thereby encouraging the aggressors who would subject our children to pain, humiliation, and violence."

His remarks were given as part of a weekend which honored LGTB young people at National Cathedral and commemorated the 15th anniversary of the tragic death of Matthew Shepard, a young man murdered in an anti-gay hate crime. The Sunday Forum discussion included Judy Shepard, Matt Shepard's mother; Jane Clementi, the mother of Tyler Clementi, a young man who died of suicide after being cyber bullied; and LGBT youth advocate Joshua Deese of the Trevor Project.

Hall announced earlier this year that National Cathedral would begin celebrating same-sex marriages.

"It is not only just OK to be gay, straight, bisexual, or transgendered. It is good to be that way, because that is the way God has made you," he said.

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There are so many different interpretations and since the maker allows so many false prophets to walk among us, how can we be blamed and punished eternally for not believing? Where is the sense of logic? Who speaks true? Can we place absolute faith on some religious documents written by men who are fallible?

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