Foreign Talents In Sentosa For Chinese New Year Holiday

[Guest Guest]

Maybe those that dislike Malaysia policies are not even Singaporean to begin with. Could be new citizens or prs here. I don't think true bred locals are really that incline to keep track of other countries politics. Where got so free?

[Guest Guest]

True, we are experiencing foreigner flood and we should not be saying welcome more foreigners to come in. But the photos shown are on existing foreigners who have already come in and who are minding their own business. Are they not allowed to enjoy their weekends in the public but to be imprisoned in their own hostels?

Do you want to be at the beach adjusting your breast in your bra with them around, looking like you will be gang raped anytime?

Do you want your void deck to be flooded with these people eating, drinking, sleeping, pissed drunk, peeing and shitting all over the place?

This is not a question of race or color, they can be a group of Singaporeans, Chinese, Caucasian, Japanese, Koreans doing this and they will get condemned all the same! This is simply too disgusting!

[Guest Guest]

Do you want to be at the beach adjusting your breast in your bra with them around, looking like you will be gang raped anytime?

Do you want your void deck to be flooded with these people eating, drinking, sleeping, pissed drunk, peeing and shitting all over the place?

This is not a question of race or color, they can be a group of Singaporeans, Chinese, Caucasian, Japanese, Koreans doing this and they will get condemned all the same! This is simply too disgusting!

FINALLY, SOMEONE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!

THUMBS UP!!!!!! :clap:

[gstc82]

Racist can really bian way. Twist and turn but end up wanting to banish a select group of people who they think is of lower status than them. These racist can encourage their relatives and friends to do the work these people do for a living.

[Guest Guest]

FINALLY, SOMEONE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!

THUMBS UP!!!!!! :clap:

It's so convenient for some hypocrites to jump to these people's defence with where else can they go, they have rights to enjoy themselves and other excuses. I think they should be at these hypocrites' void deck and backyard! It's so easy for these hypocrites to be so noble and accepting so long it's far away from them.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Guest Guest]

Racist can really bian way. Twist and turn but end up wanting to banish a select group of people who they think is of lower status than them. These racist can encourage their relatives and friends to do the work these people do for a living.

YOU gstc82 is a classic condemned example of someone whom everybody wants to slap regardless of your race or skin color. You as a person is a total CB. *SLAPS*

[Guest Guest]

It's so convenient for some hypocrites to jump to these people's defence with where else can they go, they have rights to enjoy themselves and other excuses. I think they should be at these hypocrites' void deck and backyard! It's so easy for these hypocrites to be so noble and accepting so long it's far away from them.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

These hypocrites like gstc, Nightingale and abang don't even know the difference between foreign talent and foreign TRASH, and the difference between racism and justified Singaporean-centred sentiment.

Hope they get gang-raped by a bunch of Banglas and PRCs.

[Guest Guest]

It is so convenient and easy to use the race card as a free pass while turning a blind eye to all the undesirable habits. If gstc82 were of na'vi race and behaves like the rabid bitch he is now, he would have used racism as a cover too.

可是. BITCH 就是 BITCH

[Guest Guest]

It is so convenient and easy to use the race card as a free pass while turning a blind eye to all the undesirable habits. If gstc82 were of na'vi race and behaves like the rabid bitch he is now, he would have used racism as a cover too.

可是. BITCH 就是 BITCH

:clap: These 卖国 foreign sympathisers like Nightingale and gstc82 deliberately cry racism everytime there's a debate on foreigners, in a lame attempt to cut off the discussion. Don't fall for their cheap tactic.

[Guest lyra]

reading some of the posts here, I'm reminded me of the time when blacks weren't allowed on the same bus or swimming pools as whites... when Chinese in Singapore weren't allowed to join certain clubs meant for Caucasians only.

For those of you who are against them, when the time comes for you to study or work abroad, would you like to be treated the same disdain some of the posters here proudly display?

The workers here are human too.

No point rebutting if you won't listen. It's your choice how you choose to see things.

[Guest Guest]

reading some of the posts here, I'm reminded me of the time when blacks weren't allowed on the same bus or swimming pools as whites... when Chinese in Singapore weren't allowed to join certain clubs meant for Caucasians only.

For those of you who are against them, when the time comes for you to study or work abroad, would you like to be treated the same disdain some of the posters here proudly display?

The workers here are human too.

No point rebutting if you won't listen. It's your choice how you choose to see things.

The difference is we don't use the above as a justification to overrun others' country and trample on their lawn, with loud jarring accents, bad breath and anti-social habits all in the open.

[snowball]

公说公有理, 婆说婆有理, 没有绝对, 只是观点角度看法不异。

一方提出人权自由, 另一方则对可能影响未来治安和环境保护等提出忧虑,

身为新加坡人, 会产生这些怀疑和不满也是很自然的, 不是吗?

Edited February 14, 2013 by snowball

[Guest Guest]

Look at this godforsaken state of things in Sentosa:

With all these foreign workers overcrowding the lawn, do you think the real tourists with cash to spend will want to visit Sentosa?

These foreign workers are in effect sabotaging our tourism industry.

[Guest as]

I'm not xenophobic but each time I see all these foreign bangla, PRC and pinoy RUSHING for seats in the mrt, I get really pissed. Most of the time, it's the foreigners that sit, usually fit construction workers while the Singaporeans stand. Sure we pay the same fares, but even if the person in front of them is old or pregnant, they don't care.

[Guest Guest]

I'm not xenophobic but each time I see all these foreign bangla, PRC and pinoy RUSHING for seats in the mrt, I get really pissed. Most of the time, it's the foreigners that sit, usually fit construction workers while the Singaporeans stand. Sure we pay the same fares, but even if the person in front of them is old or pregnant, they don't care.

Yes, the PRCs are most guilty of this. It's their national culture, they just cannot be bothered, 利益当前, to hell with moral values and social graces if it cannot earn them money, you can wait till you die and you won't get a seat from them, maybe even a kick in the arse.

[Guest Guest]

A man loves animals so much that he feeds stray cats, dogs and birds in your housing estate. The birds shit all over the place, window sills, car roofs; the cats reproduce quickly and give cat calls at night disturbing your sleep. The unfinished food attracts rats and ants etc. The dogs urinate on the void deck walls. Yes, it is natural to be annoyed by these animals' presence. But think again - who is to blame? The irresponsible feeder, right? Your hatred towards these animals is misplaced and is not going to solve your problems. As long as the feeder does not stop his act, these animals will keep coming and there will no end to your troubles nor your hatred.

What an unexpected u turn and what an analogy???

ANIMALS? Yes, they eat, shit, pee anywhere they like, and we all know who this irresponsible feeder is.

[Guest Guest]

reading some of the posts here, I'm reminded me of the time when blacks weren't allowed on the same bus or swimming pools as whites... when Chinese in Singapore weren't allowed to join certain clubs meant for Caucasians only.

For those of you who are against them, when the time comes for you to study or work abroad, would you like to be treated the same disdain some of the posters here proudly display?

The workers here are human too.

No point rebutting if you won't listen. It's your choice how you choose to see things.

It's easy for you to say when you're chirping like an bird in your ivory towers. Invite them to your lobby, clubhouse, backyard and swimming pool. Continue singing the same tune while at that if you can still breath.

Don't conveniently associate people's disgruntlement with racism or assume certain people are targeted because of their class and end the discussion with that. Do you still call it racism if a cultured PRC condemns a village PRC with disdain over his public spitting and shitting habits?

It's the disgusting act by a big group of individuals in question, regardless of their race.

[kallang25]

Dre post is laughable. Malaysian politics is 100% different from Singpore. In Singapore, citizens are at a disadvantage as compared to PR. In Malaysia, it is citizens who are Chinese and Indian being discriminated against citizen who are Malays.

2 separate issues altogether. How can u compare them? What a joker!

Firstly, the Malaysian govt is also made up of the Malaysian CHINESE Association and the Malaysian INDIAN Congress so they are ALL complicit in this political arrangement. And it's not just the Chinese Malaysians that are disadvantaged, it's the Indians too. Their opposition, headed by Anwar Ibrahim is against such racial politics.

Secondly, Brunei and Malaysia does not have many PRCs coming in. Malay is the national and working language of these two countries and they take labour from Indonesia and also Burma. Only Singapore takes in PRCs.

Thirdly, I find it laughable that so many of you here don't like Malaysia's policies and THEN turn around to say native Singaporeans deserve special benefits over foreigners. Some of you have mentioned education quotas, HDB subsidies, Singaporeans first when it comes to employment... WAKE UP. How is this different from Malaysia? Chinese and Indians were once regarded as foreigners in Southeast Asia too, many of whom did not intend to migrate here for good. Imagine now, ALL foreigners in Singapore are given citizenship making them equal to native Singaporeans, and now you see why the Malayasian government gives special benefits? If you want benefits for us native citizens just admit it and stop being so hyprocritical. This is why I will never understand you brainless opposition supporters.

[rekopsg]

I do not really understand the whole intention of putting up the picture and interpreting the people in the picture as foreign talents. If this is meant to politicise the white paper, I would gather that it has failed terribly.

As for the picture of the ladies adjusting the bra, who is the foreigner in this case? The onlooker or the ladies or all of them? Is this picture not taken out of the context?

[Guest Guest]

Racist can really bian way. Twist and turn but end up wanting to banish a select group of people who they think is of lower status than them. These racist can encourage their relatives and friends to do the work these people do for a living.

So just because people are of a different nationality, you have to condemn them? What racist xenophobes! Would you join the Ku Klux Klan then? 30 years ago, xenophobia was non-existent in Sg. We embraced all nationalities and welcomed tourists and workers all over the world and were proud to be a tourist centre and regional hub. But 30 years later, the word xenophobia is applied to certain Singaporeans. Worse still when gays are viewd with disdain by mainstream society, there are racist gays who in turn ride the banner of "nationalism: and "patriotism" to view other nationalities with disdain. Our education system has failed again. Shame shame!

If these guys are not 卖国贼, what is? And they call us xenophobic when pictures of these foreigners' social ills have been posted for all of us to see.

[Guest as]

As for the snatching of MRT seats, aren't locals equally guilty of that? Just because of your disdain for foreigners, you will pick them on this issue that issue, as if no ugly Singaporeans exist among us.

Nope. come on, we all take the train twice a day. Most of the locals who snatch seats are aunties, and if these foreigners were aunties too, that's fine. But the foreigners I was referring to are fit, young male construction workers.

[Guest Guest]

Yes, they are jam packing the beach and parks. Again whose fault? Who brought them into the country in the first place without providing them with amenities? Little India on weekends is a nightmare. Someone even suggested alloting a park to accommodate such crowds. Such a suggestion is noble and positive. If you work and live in a foreign country, would you not go to public places to relax and perhaps join the crowds? Do you have better suggestions?

Whose fault? It takes two hands to clap. If they don't come, nobody can bring them in.

Note that they are a lowly educated class, so it is not surprising that some of their behaviour is unsightly and loud. (Am not saying each and every one of them is) So what is the use of criticising something that they cannot change themselves? Or would you suggest an educational campaign to teach them social graces? If they prove to sabotage our tourism industry, then it is the authorities' job to make sure they do not. Can anyone answer why they have not taken any action?

So because they are of a "lowly educated class", we must bear with it? Are they human or not? Even dogs can be trained to change themselves, why is it "that they cannot change themselves?"?? Why should we tolerate such anti-social behaviors??

卖国贼这个罪名我已经领教过多次了，你还是省省吧。讨论要讲理，要客观，乱套罪名只有得到反效果的。

所以你现在也该明白叫别人家xenophobic的反效果，自己也该省省了吧！

[Guest as]

Dre post is laughable. Malaysian politics is 100% different from Singpore. In Singapore, citizens are at a disadvantage as compared to PR. In Malaysia, it is citizens who are Chinese and Indian being discriminated against citizen who are Malays.

2 separate issues altogether. How can u compare them? What a joker!

Not taking sides here but I can draw parallels. You have to take a historical view of things. Don't forget, our forefathers were once immigrants in Southeast Asia encroaching on Malay territory. We were the foreigners.

[Guest Guest]

Not taking sides here but I can draw parallels. You have to take a historical view of things. Don't forget, our forefathers were once immigrants in Southeast Asia encroaching on Malay territory. We were the foreigners.

We were also descendents from apes, are we apes?

Alternatively, we were descendants of God, are we God?

Don't sing your great grandfather and great grandmother story here.

We have been Singaporeans for generations now.

[Guest Guest]

Not taking sides here but I can draw parallels. You have to take a historical view of things. Don't forget, our forefathers were once immigrants in Southeast Asia encroaching on Malay territory. We were the foreigners.

Not to sting but sound like subtle suggestions at work here. Don't always talk bout the past can? If we always allow foreign legions to swarm our land how can our national identity be strengthen over the ages? It will always be trap in a cycle of forming n then eroding away, very vicious.

[monochrome]

We have been Singaporeans for generations now.

Indeed. Contrary to popular belief, our Singaporean identity did not come together at 1965 - no. We've been living together on this island since 1819. That actually makes our Singaporean identity nearly 200 years old!

[Guest Guest]

Not taking sides here but I can draw parallels. You have to take a historical view of things. Don't forget, our forefathers were once immigrants in Southeast Asia encroaching on Malay territory. We were the foreigners.

Did we eat, shit and piss all over the place like filthy animals? Was Singapore at a worse state after our invasion?

[Guest guest]

We do personally owe the island. If not us, then who owns it? One particular political party? Your comment is as bad as the one which said Sentosa is not own by us. And yes, they can go as long as they pay the entrance fee. But as citizens of this land, we deserve every special treatment over other nations, richer or poorer, because by the grace of god, we were born in Singapore and we have to defend that little piece of island, and they do not have to.

Singapore isn't "owned" by anyone; not any one of us at least. Ownership implies control, sovereignty, power; we have none of those things over Singapore's land and policy on the large scale. Do not mistake being a pivotal cog (if even that) of the system for having any power.

This isn't like some countries in revolution or poverty where the citizens of working age have actually endured the suffering and made sacrifices for the nation's growth. You were born into privilege, raised in privilege and are now so accustomed to entitlement that even the stipulations of a PUBLIC PLACE has to be altered to please your vision. This isn't even about foreigneers breaking any of the Sentosa/local rules (i.e. spitting, littering). I have no doubt many of them do those things. But many posts in this very thread are complaining about them literally standing on the open beach just existing.

You are championing the exact same sentiments that fuel homophobes who claim that homosexuals should be barred from marrying because it threatens THEIR sancity of marriage which should remain a sacred and exclusive right to the straight community.

[Guest Guest]

..............Many ugly locals also behave like that but they choose not to take their pics......

At least the UGLIEST OLD FART Aunty Nightingale took its own pic and put its up................don't play play.............Shameless Shameless..........

[monochrome]

No. Sg's history hailed way back to the 14th century, even before Parameswara fled from Java to Sg (then called Selat and later Temasek.) A princess was said to have lived at Bukit Larangan (Fort Canning Hill). It had all along been ruled by Malay sultans until 1824 when Raffles forced Sultan Hussein to cede Sg forever to the East India Company. Chinese, Indians and people from neighbouring regions flocked to Sg without forging a Singaporean identity. The British did not make any effort to forge a common identity as they believe in divide and rule. Each community was busy earning their own living and minding their own business. As long as the British welcomed them here, they were happy to stick to their own groups. Sg has a short history, becoming independent in 1963 through merger with Federation, only to be kicked out of Malaysia in 1965. Ever since then, the govt has been successful in forging the Sg identity through National Service, education, the national anthem and mass media.

But I agree there is no point digging up ancient history.

I was talking about our identity, Nightingale, not Singapore's history. Otherwise, yes we can go on and on about how this land was once part of the Srivijaya empire before the Malay sultans gained a foothold, warding off the Majapahit empire down south, and Ayutthaya to the north, so on and so forth.

However, what I am contesting is the dominant narative that our Singaporean identity only began taking shape only in 1965, as that is when our nation came into being. This is the national identity discourse and there is an underlying one that hasn't been thoroughly explored: cultural identity. It is a myth that the immigrants did not interact under the British when in fact, it happened in our daily lives. While they did divide and rule, that certainly did not stop locals from carrying about their daily activities in the market, going to the post office etc. Not all kampongs were racially segregated, in fact, a great number of them had sizeable portions of other races living side by side. The national library has an excellent archive on this. Before English was implemented as our working language, everyone spoke some form of Malay to communicate. I am peranakan through and through so my family can attest to that cultural amalgamation. Beyond this, we have shared cuisines; ingredients from one community flowed to another and a fusion of flavours and tastes came forward. This fusion of cultures is also reflected in names of places: Tiong Bahru, or Kreta Ayer（牛车水) for example.

So what I'm getting at is this: While the national anthem, ns and the like have certainly formed part of our national identity, we cannot ignore the fact that cultural identity forms a big part of our Singaporean identity, and that cultural part has been brewing long before 1965. And that's what makes us Singaporean - it has taken nearly 200 years in the making, not 47 years.

Edited February 14, 2013 by monochrome

[Guest guest]

您戴好眼镜，记得收啊，我们写了Nightingale才烧的。

[Guest Guo Jun]

The difference is we don't use the above as a justification to overrun others' country and trample on their lawn, with loud jarring accents, bad breath and anti-social habits all in the open.

The white people may generalize us, Chinese people as small eyes, flat nose people with heavily accented bad english and bad breath. And recently Chinese are the WORST treated race in America, not the black or the indians. And look at what I found on urban dictionary:

- Singapore: A corrupted country run by kiasu Chinese with small eyes (singaporean-chinese have small eyes because their so obsess with seing their penis and mom's vagina.

A maybe somewhat good country without its fucking asshole bitchy rules.

A country run by chinese who thinks their so great and pretends to be nice to you if you're really rich (singaporean-chinese are like that because they tend to be really aggresive in the market) and then dumps or ignores you if you're poor.

A country where discrimination is alot and racist is too

Bill Gates: hi fellow singaporean citizens

Singaporean-chinese: oh hello boss come come to my house i'll fetch you something to drink, let's look at that nice checkbook of yours come come please relax with me enjoy my house and make yourself at home.

malay: hi hello good morning

Singaporean-chinese: *pretends to ignore and looked other way*.

[Guest Guo Jun]

These are al the generalization that u have to face one day when you go to US to work or study one day. It's likely that these generalizations and discrimination and racism will seldom come from well-educated people who dun see the world like a frog in a well!

[Guest Guest]

These are al the generalization that u have to face one day when you go to US to work or study one day. It's likely that these generalizations and discrimination and racism will seldom come from well-educated people who dun see the world like a frog in a well!

Maybe the world were never mean to be one to begin with. People just stay where you origin from, let us the 4 races leave in harmony leave us alone.

[Guest End]

The white people may generalize us, Chinese people as small eyes, flat nose people with heavily accented bad english and bad breath. And recently Chinese are the WORST treated race in America, not the black or the indians. And look at what I found on urban dictionary:

- Singapore: A corrupted country run by kiasu Chinese with small eyes (singaporean-chinese have small eyes because their so obsess with seing their penis and mom's vagina.

A maybe somewhat good country without its fucking asshole bitchy rules.

A country run by chinese who thinks their so great and pretends to be nice to you if you're really rich (singaporean-chinese are like that because they tend to be really aggresive in the market) and then dumps or ignores you if you're poor.

A country where discrimination is alot and racist is too

Bill Gates: hi fellow singaporean citizens

Singaporean-chinese: oh hello boss come come to my house i'll fetch you something to drink, let's look at that nice checkbook of yours come come please relax with me enjoy my house and make yourself at home.

malay: hi hello good morning

Singaporean-chinese: *pretends to ignore and looked other way*.

I don't feel my fellow countrymen/women are extremely racist. Can't speak for the newly imported citizens though. Who know where/what types of places they come from.. Anyway UK also face similar problem as us too, a lot of British lament the fact that their country have lose the "old English charm". See lah embrace globilsation more lah. Globilsation if implement wrongly by inept leaders only bring stress n erode culture. Another scam imo.

[Guest Guest]

Look at this godforsaken state of things in Sentosa:

With all these foreign workers overcrowding the lawn, do you think the real tourists with cash to spend will want to visit Sentosa?

These foreign workers are in effect sabotaging our tourism industry.

Why are u so bad?

These poor banglas are busy building ur condos and hdb flats for you to live. While we sporeans just shake leg and choose which condo or hdb to buy.

Give them a break lah. Now govt stress developers to build quickly while developers stress their bosses and their bosses stress them. They also v stressed one u know!

[Guest Guest]

To add on, without foreign workers like banglas, chinamen etc to build condos and flats for u, where can u live? Or who build for u? Yourself or ur friends?

Give these poor workers a break lah. Wanna blame, blame the right group of foreigners like those who snatch jobs with you or who dun contribute to spore at all or who give u black face when they serve u in malls.

[abang]

借句华妃名言：“贱人就是矫情”。

外劳是人。。

他们也应该得到基本的对待。。

他们做一些低微的粗活。。

一些我们都不愿意干的工作。。

抢饭碗的不是这批人。。。

[Guest Guest]

Singapore isn't "owned" by anyone; not any one of us at least. Ownership implies control, sovereignty, power; we have none of those things over Singapore's land and policy on the large scale. Do not mistake being a pivotal cog (if even that) of the system for having any power.

This isn't like some countries in revolution or poverty where the citizens of working age have actually endured the suffering and made sacrifices for the nation's growth. You were born into privilege, raised in privilege and are now so accustomed to entitlement that even the stipulations of a PUBLIC PLACE has to be altered to please your vision. This isn't even about foreigneers breaking any of the Sentosa/local rules (i.e. spitting, littering). I have no doubt many of them do those things. But many posts in this very thread are complaining about them literally standing on the open beach just existing.

You are championing the exact same sentiments that fuel homophobes who claim that homosexuals should be barred from marrying because it threatens THEIR sancity of marriage which should remain a sacred and exclusive right to the straight community.

Your assumption that our complaints are not "about foreigneers breaking any of the Sentosa/local rules (i.e. spitting, littering)" is flawed. When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that I see are all white specks of litter are surrounding them. Please don't tell me that those white specks are "frangipani flowers" surrounding the coconut trees too, OK? To make it worse, what do you think of people airing their shoes and slippers in public places like that? When LKY claimed that he will not see people in Singapore having any social grace here in his lifetime, he has these foreigners, whom he himself brought in, to thank for it?

This has absolutely nothing to do with homophobia. Homosexuals don't make love or have sex in public. Whether homosexuals have a family neucleus or not is a private concern. But this, in THIS very picture, has everything to do with what we can see, touch, and even SMELL in public.

[Guest Guest]

Sorry to bore you again. I should not have gone through that ancient history part. I do apologise. First of all, when talking about national identity, we must look at the definition of the word 'nation'. The dictionary defines it as a large group of people living in one area sharing their own govt, language and traditions. But when you look at the historians' definition of national identity, they share a common understanding different from the layman's. 'Nation' applies most appropriately to small European nations like France, Italy etc. where they share a homogeneous race, language, culture etc. But when this term applies to plural societies in Asia, it has to be modified to mean a group of people where different races identify themselves with a shared history and sentiments. Hence, USA is considered a "young" nation with its melting pot of ethnic groups. They share the American dream and American values. As for Sg, such a national consciousness did not occur till after our independence.

Yes, different races mix in the market place and there is cultural diffusion, leading to cultural hybrids like peranakan culture etc. But that is not sufficient to be categorised as being a nation, strictly speaking. When Sun Yat Sen came to Sg for his nationalist cause, the educated Chinese here were overwhelming pro-Kuomintang. They did not identify themselves as Singaporeans first. The school textbooks here also put up the Nationalist flag of China (qingtian bairi mandi hong - blue sky white sun against a red background). My parents' generation still called Mandarin as guoyu (national languge) even though I had to keep reminding them that our national lang is Malay. Similarly, the concept of Malaysia and Indonesia is very recent even though cultural diffusion had taken place throughout the archipelago centuries ago. But nobody during these early days identified themselves as "we Malaysians" or "we Indonesians" even though they share something common in the "Malay" culture. It is sad that both countries are now accusing each other of stealing cultural heritage from each other (food items, songs, dances etc.)

And how did this entire two paragraphs of words addresses anything at all? Sounds like another grandfather and grandmother story. I espcially like the part about "Hence, USA is considered a "young" nation with its melting pot of ethnic groups". .

Agree. Most Singaporeans are not racist outwardly. But racial prejudice does exist. If you show your prejudice outwardly in behaviour, then sociologists term it as "racial discrimination". And yes, the western European nations have experienced heightened racism because their govts have opened the flood gates, leading to reactions against immigrants. Many French citizens are calling loudly to ban the Muslim headwear for girls in schools. They shout the same thing "Do as the Romans do when in Rome". Norway saw the killing of Norwegians by a fellow ultra-nationalist Norwegian. A few extremists have lost their reason. And yes globalisation is a double edged sword cutting both ways. It is up to the govts to decide how open they want their societies to be to foreign impact and weigh it against economic benefits they think they can get. On the other hand, Bhutan remains a hermit kingdom without such troubles.

And what is the point again??

[Guest Guest]

These are al the generalization that u have to face one day when you go to US to work or study one day. It's likely that these generalizations and discrimination and racism will seldom come from well-educated people who dun see the world like a frog in a well!

I worked in US before and I don't go around littering on their land and airing my shoes and slippers all over the place. And if people discriminate me for that, I deserve it. You want to go live and work in other countries, learn about what is the social norm over there first.

[Guest Guest]

Your same old story of taking two hands to clap. If they don't come? But they have already come! And more will come even after 2016. Firstly, you cannot stop them. You are not the govt and you do not call the shots. Secondly, they have families to feed. Do not forget there are many who want to sneak in illegally by boats and thank goodness, most are caught by our police. Is there any point repeatedly bashing them in your postings? Are there no other more worthwhile topics to discuss?

So we are suppose to live our lives quietly, endure in silence, and bear with it for as long as they are here? For Pete's sake, THIS IS OUR HOME, NOT THEIRS! If someone is making things distasteful for you a day, it may be tolerable. But for the remaining time of their stay here..? That brings it to a new level all together!!

If there is no point "repeatedly bashing them in (our) postings", there is much lesser point suffering in silence forever. And our voices are a reflection of our unhappiness here in Singapore. And people like you are not doing any of us any favours by trying to quell down our displeasure at all! And people like you are not doing any of us any favours by telling us to accept them as they are!!

Yes they are humans. Dogs can be trained by owners and dog trainers. In fact, dogs are more obedient than humans. That is why they are called Man's Best Friends. If humans can change, then why do we still have delinquents, drug addicts, compulsive gamblers, kleptomaniacs, violent wife beaters, etc? Some people cannot change. Think about culture and personality. If you are brought up speaking a certain language and subscribing a certain religion, is it easy to change? If your personality is introverted, will you feel comfortable if choose a job that requires you to meet a lot of clients and travel a lot? When Hong Kongers migrate to Canada, many of the Whites there cannot stand them because they (just like many PRCs) speak Cantonese very loudly. Some Whites even refuse to patronise Chinese restaurants because of this. So is it possible to ask these Hong Kongers to please tone down their voices? It is like asking a duck to stop swimming.

What examples you use!! Are you telling me that the Hongkies are still shouting at the top of their voices in Canada now? What do you mean "Some people cannot change"? What do you mean "if you are brought up speaking a certain language and subscribing a certain religion, is it easy to change"? What do you mean "It is like asking a duck to stop swimming"?

These 40% foreigners are people, if they cannot change, then we might as well bring in more robots here. FURTHERMORE, if they cannot change, why should WE change? Why should 60% of the Singaporean population change just so that the 40% foreigners need not change?? If those people wants to come onto this land, then they had better change to suit OUR lifestyle.

Using your own example, you seemed to be saying that the Canadians should learn to adapt to the Hongkies way of shouting, instead of asking the Hongkies to tone down.

So should we tolerate them? Well, is there any other choice? If you have a better solution, I would like to hear from you. So long as they are not a security threat, we have to tolerate. Posting hate threads will only serve to spread hatred even towards those foreigners who are well-mannered, gracious and polite. Not every foreigner is a scum. Scums exist in any community foreigner or local. Let us face it. Even locals are guilty of littering. The other day I was in a toilet when this old uncle threw a tissue paper into the washing basin even though the rubbish bin is just next to it. He was not a foreigner. Then another day I was walking with a fellow gay in his early 20s towards the bus stop. He suddenly threw tissue paper onto the ground. And he was supposed to have received Moral Education in our schools! I chided his act and his reply was "We have sweepers to clean up for us wat."

So if they need to congregate and overcrowd the place. Let them! If you feel very strongly about their habits, there are 2 ways of dealing with them. Tell the police to spend their entire weekends observing them and arresting them as soon as they throw their first litter. But is this suggestion feasible? Will the police employ a large task force all over the island? Alternatively, write to the authorities to launch an education campaign in different foreign languages. Other than these, I cannot think of any positive solution. But to repeatedly label and stereotype a particular foreign community negatively is being extremist, unproductive and only makes oneself annoyed to no end. Don't you agree?

If you "cannot think of any positive solution" and if you want to take a defeatist attitude and suffer in silence, nobody will stop you. But while we are vocally expressing our displeasure about the omnipresence of such foreigners here, don't try to convince us that the problem we are really facing is not a problem in reality.

[Guest Guest]

If you "cannot think of any positive solution" and if you want to take a defeatist attitude and suffer in silence, nobody will stop you. But while we are vocally expressing our displeasure about the omnipresence of such foreigners here, don't try to convince us that the problem we are really facing is not a problem in reality.

说得好！赞！

[Guest Foreign Trash]

[Guest Guest]

It's easy for you to say when you're chirping like an bird in your ivory towers. Invite them to your lobby, clubhouse, backyard and swimming pool. Continue singing the same tune while at that if you can still breathe.

I LOLed when I read this... hahahahaha

[Guest Guest]

Save the real bullet for 2016, we will need it then...

[Guest Guest]

风凉话谁不会说, 针尚未刺进自己肉就不懂得疼, 场面话省着点留给虚伪人听吧, 或许可以在他们的聚会和他们称兄道弟, 一家团聚。

[joshboy]

must be opposition IB, paid $1 a post to come and spread nonsense

[Guest Guest]

Aunty 'Nightingale' wrote:

Do you dare to take up my challenge?

Reply:

Dare not, you are the ulgiest & most disgusting. You win.

Aunty 'Nightingale' wrote:

你不只是“领教过“ 却不“省省“，你还是个应声虫呢。哈哈！

Reply:

你是OLD FART--马屁精呢。哈哈哈哈！

Aunty 'Nightingale' wrote:

烧？野火烧不尽，春风吹又生。这是白居易说的。

Reply:

Totally irrelevant. 和白居易的诗根本无关联，真是生搬硬套，丢人现眼。哈哈哈哈！別人面目可憎，起码有点学问，你这老屁精是又老又丑又满嘴狗屁， OLD FARTY'gale 哈哈哈哈！我说的。

[gstc82]

Those ladies dunt seem to care and cont to enjoy the sun. So now some people expect low wage workers who do hard labour like building your flats and clear your rubbish to be of certain standard and smell. Lol.