Inside The Dark, Dangerous World of Chemsex + Online App Chem Sex Dangers + BBC Report On Chem Sex + I am hooked and don't know how to quit (Compiled)

[Guest Reality]

Recently I noticed that there are a lot (relative to "long" time ago when Fridae and SgBoy started) of drug abusers online, or it appears to be so.

 

I saw a lot of local profiles with code word like "CHILL", "LONG SESSIONS", and overseas profiles (in Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia etc) blatantly states "CHEM" sex. Also when I speak to a some guys online, inadvertently will be "invited" to join in such kind of sex/orgy/group sessions (with "stuff"). 

 

One of my overseas friend (a caucasian) was visiting Singapore and his online profile was frequently hit by requests to join in drugs/sex parties. He informed me that even guys he is interested to hook up for ONS always ask him question like "anything to puff" in which my friend act blur, and ask "what turns you on" and get reply with "ICE" "METH". I guess him being a westerner/foreigner, the online folks probably thinks he is less of a risk (will not turn out to be police or kaypoh people who will report to authorities).

 

Back in Fridae/Sgboy days, people seems far more simpler, meeting up for dates or basic ONS (without drugs).

 

What happened? (Ok please do not try to slam me for painting negative gay "stereotype").

[NorthernLights]

It's a cycle that's just becoming more apparent now because of the accessibility via apps and online site. Law enforcement is aware of these mediums being used, and although they do take note of the individuals who partake in such acts, they usually don't act on the smaller fish if their aim is to catch the "big one" or the root of the cause. Here and there you'll hear reports of people being singled out for questioning and screening....the "scape goats" to instill a little caution into the masses..and these are just the precursors to let the smaller fish know....that the net is slowly closing in. And soon enough, the net snaps shut,,,and bam...the only chill they'll be feeling is from the granite floor in a cell...some for a year...others 5 years... Complacency is the mother of all F**k ups...I'm not pro nor am i against usage but I am against abuse and negligent usage of anything (this also includes misuse of things like protein shakes, vitamin supplements...etc) I never feel remorse though...not for those who get caught.. It's a choice we each make...and if you made it poorly, without weighing out all the risks...the pros the cons the variables...then the outcome will reflect that.

[EasleyLim]

Tsk, people should report these kind of activities immediately. Sweeping it under the carpet doesn't help anyone.

[Guest No To Drugs !]

There is a always bad sheep in any community. Personally I see that drug abuse is a big problem in Gay community. Many Evil people see Gay people as a target to tempt them to use drug and make them an addict so that they could hook them and make profit out of them. I think there is dire need to raise the problem of drug abuse in Gay community and educate the young gay the danger of it. Drug is also one of the cause that spread STD and HIV among the gay community. It is very serious problem but often overlook.

[Guest Dgigge]

It's a cycle that's just becoming more apparent now because of the accessibility via apps and online site. Law enforcement is aware of these mediums being used, and although they do take note of the individuals who partake in such acts, they usually don't act on the smaller fish if their aim is to catch the "big one" or the root of the cause. Here and there you'll hear reports of people being singled out for questioning and screening....the "scape goats" to instill a little caution into the masses..and these are just the precursors to let the smaller fish know....that the net is slowly closing in. And soon enough, the net snaps shut,,,and bam...the only chill they'll be feeling is from the granite floor in a cell...some for a year...others 5 years... Complacency is the mother of all F**k ups...I'm not pro nor am i against usage but I am against abuse and negligent usage of anything (this also includes misuse of things like protein shakes, vitamin supplements...etc) I never feel remorse though...not for those who get caught.. It's a choice we each make...and if you made it poorly, without weighing out all the risks...the pros the cons the variables...then the outcome will reflect that.

 

To the honest, I think the police mainly try to target the "big fish" that is the dealers, and maybe catch some users to "warn' the masses. The police are actually very busy (or can't be bother) to deal with so many things at one thing. Sometimes they go raid the Geylang PRC whores, but other times, the Geylang streets are full of whores. Its like one month they maybe have certain KPIs or targets to meet. 

[Soran]

It is kind of a big problem in recent years, both because the street price for meth is relatively cheap compared to other drugs and the fact that its properties lend itself to being thoroughly abused for gay sex

 

The authorities are very quiet these days on campaigns against drug usage. Perhaps they should get them back up and running, especially to discourage meth usage

[Guest Joe. Low]

Problem is a lot of meth abusers are in high society, not the usual Malay heroin addicts. So the police can't just mop up people who are well connected.

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

French King Louis court.

A modern re-telling of the "Affairs of the poisons" high society scandal just like in the days of yore if the constables deal with this social issue in a rash and undiplomatic way.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Raiden Alpha

[NorthernLights]

I don't know why but personally these days I'm a little more cautious when using the words "use" and "abuse" to readily label anyone's choice of activities. Just saying.

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

I don't know why but personally these days I'm a little more cautious when using the words "use" and "abuse" to readily label anyone's choice of activities. Just saying.

Spare a thought for the 90s youths.Not everyone are in full awareness of their deeds,choices and consequences.This social ill and poison must be eradicate before an entire generation of young people become wasted and ensnared by the drugs. Mainstream society and law have a duty to protect people.Free will and choices should never be grant indiscriminately to all and sundry.

-Just an opinion-

[dragonboater]

Drug addiction is an evil and destroys lives - we must adopt a zero tolerance for it. Let's not talk of it as if it's some harmless lifestyle fun.

[NorthernLights]

I've spared a thought and then some for just these very youths...which is why i'd rather not baby them and lean more towards creating a less hostile space for them to discuss the subject matter that will follow through and lead to informing, educating these young minds to make their own informed choices when their time comes to do so... that will show them how these actions will lead to these consequences we all have learnt exists...versus labeling, fear mongering and forcing them through a narrow slant saying "Do not enter" which piques the interest of the curious and the rebellious alike...I agree with you that mainstream society and the law have a duty to protect people though...but not just the people who aren't abusers...but also those who have been led to believe that they only have two labels to choose from... that it's either "non-user" or "abuser". 

 

-Just another opinion-

[Guest EGKIV]

There's a very fine line between 'use' and 'abuse' when it comes to recreational drugs.

 

If I 'party' every weekend, is that 'use' or 'abuse'?

How about once a month? Is that considered 'recreational'? 

What if I only take it when someone offer it to me?

 

Popping a pill or smoking a bong appears relatively harmless compared to snorting a line or injecting a point. 

The issue of dependency and other health issues seems less severe. 

Hence, many people believe they are in control and can stop anytime they want. 

 

The sad truth is that those who started 'chilling' 10 years ago are probably still seeking 'hi-fun' today.

There is nothing 'recreational' about recreational drugs.

 

When will you stop? Will you ever stop?

 

-Yet another opinion-

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

Try telling Singapore police force the difference between "use" and "abuse" the next time anyone got caught with meth in their possession or cosumsumption and got invited by the men in blue for a "coffee session".

See whether they will give a flying fuck to your fanciful and long drawn out explanation or not.

We are looking at 3-7 years squatting in the chalet if anyone got caught by them. Not to mention the HIV risks,the money woes one needed to feed their addiction and the damage these drugs can do to a user without adequate knowledge of what these devil candies are capable of etc.

True the choice is yours to made but the consequences are painful and rough,do double think before proceeding.

By the way to destroy the source is much better than going after the endless dabblers and small time pushers in my opinion.

[Guest DrugsDestroyLives]

Alarming new study on consequences of using Meth: "90% attribute the use of drugs such as Crystal, GBL and Mephedrone to having contracted HIV."

 

http://www.beigeuk.com/2014/02/chem-sex-revealed-part-one/ 

 

 

STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS - THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A "RECREATIONAL" DRUG. 

[GachiMuchi]

Chem Sex Revealed: Part One

 

 

Crystal Meth, Methamphetamine or ‘Tina’. Some people have claimed that it’s nick-named after Tina Turner’s frenzied rendition of Proud Mary. Many people are only aware of it from the hit TV series Breaking Bad. Hitler allegedly took it. It was used by Japanese soldiers to keep them awake in the Second World War.
 

Compared to other drugs in the UK its use is limited. Home Office figures estimate that in 2013 only 17000 people took Crystal. This is dwarfed by those who took heroin – 27000, crack cocaine – 47000, or Ketamine – 120000.
 

But on the gay scene, where it remains largely confined to – along with GBL and Mephedrone – it’s fast becoming the recreational drug of choice. It’s the sex party drug, a powerful disinhibitor, allowing you to have sex for days. You’ll find it in saunas and you’re likely to be offered it when you hook-up online. ‘Slamming’ is becoming normalised.
 

The reported figures point to both Crystal’s popularity and also its consequences. 95% of people who take it use it to have sex. Many report having at least five sexual partners per ‘episode’. 70% report using needles to take the drug. 60% say they have not taken their HIV medication when high and, most alarming of all, 90% attribute the use of drugs such as Crystal, GBL and Mephedrone to having contracted HIV.
 

Over the last four years I have written extensively on the health crisis that is decimating London’s gay scene. I’ve talked about ‘the devastating consequences of excessive hedonism’, I’ve sat at conferences where doctors, public health officials and community leaders have tried to come up with safeguards to tackle to the problems. Reaching conclusions has always been difficult.
 

The important thing is that there is now a dialogue about what’s happening to gay men in this city. Over the coming week Beige will be adding to this by speaking to gay men about their experiences with Crystal, GBL and Mephedrone – men of different ages and backgrounds who have one thing in common – beating drugs that all but destroyed them. It is too easy to sit around tables and talk about blame and the reasons for what we’re seeing unfold. The time has come to let the individuals speak for themselves.
 

Alessandro’s story

I’m 34 and came to the UK, from Madrid, because of Spain’s economic situation. I’d also come out of a traumatic relationship and wanted to leave the past behind.
 

When I arrived in London I did what I’d always done as a gay man – using Grindr, looking for ‘Party and Play’. I wasn’t naive and knew exactly what I was doing.
 

I got into the scene – meeting guys for sex and taking drugs, going to clubs, mainly in Vauxhall. I then started going to chillouts and sex parties and was using GBL, which I’d taken before, while in Spain.
 

I had a boundary never to use Crystal Meth, but was doing Coke, K, MDMA and Mephedrone.
 

Using Crystal eventually came with the sex. People were always doing it at sex parties and I gave it a try. At that point it seemed attractive – I was lonely and wanted to feel a part of the group and horny like the others. It was more addictive than any other drug I’d taken before.
 

Life became an endless round of clubbing, taking drugs and sex parties. I had to get Xanax, anti-depressants and sleeping tablets from my GP to help with the comedowns, which were terrible. There were times when I wouldn’t sleep for eight days. It was non stop clubbing and sex from Thursday until Saturday. This went on for a year.
 

 

Little by little I started having problems at work and with friends. I stopped meeting friends who were out my my party circle. My reality became totally different and was focused entirely on getting more guys for sex and taking more drugs.
 

After a while of using Crystal you become totally dysfunctional. I lost my job and all contact with my family and dropped all of my boundaries. I hated myself, had suicidal thoughts, stopped eating properly and just kept meeting more men so as not to feel alone. It was a self-destructive cycle.
 

Eventually I came clean about my situation to my GP who referred me to a drugs service for rehab. By this time I was living with an escort and dealer and having sex with his clients for easy money. I stopped going out – my life was all about staying at home,
cruising the apps for sex.
 

When I think about it now I have always associated sex with drugs. Even if I could have sober sex I would rather have had it with drugs. It’s more intense that way.
 

Sex with Crystal has no boundaries. You don’t even have consideration for the other person and are looking only for your own satisfaction. Because of the intensity you’re constantly seeking stronger experiences – more unprotected sex, wilder sex, more extreme sex. I did things I could never have done without drugs and was taking really high risks.
 

I diagnosed as HIV positive in Spain in 2006 and was living with the virus, without treatment, until 2008. I was, outwardly, healthy, with an undetectable viral load, but emotionally I was crippled with grief about what I’d done with my life. My drug use was, I believe, related to these feelings.
 

After I became positive I thought that this life was not really worth living, that no one would love me and that I’d spend the rest of my life alone and fucked up. I just didn’t care. There seemed like there was no future for me.
 

I completely lost respect for the disease and my body. I became an animal who didn’t give a shit.
 

It’s not a fact – only my impression – but I would say that most of the people at sex parties were HIV positive. I was honest everytime I had unprotected sex and said that I was positive. Some people would say that they were negative, but being there when you’re negative is crazy, so I don’t know if they were really negative.
 

When I did get a chance to connect with others in this madness we sometimes talked about being HIV positive. People would say that they felt the disease was treatable now and that they had a second chance. That seemed to be the general attitude to HIV – that it was no longer a problem for them personally.
 

Since I’ve been in rehab I’ve learned that there is a reason to care about HIV – for the community. We need to respect and look after each other because otherwise we are making the problem worse by spreading this disease.
 

Having sex without chems is really hard and I’ve had to reset my likes and dislikes around sex. I needed a really high stimulus to feel something. My bottom line now is no sex parties, sex clubs, saunas or anonymous sex.
 

It’s now been seven and a half months since I last had chem sex and I have to relearn what intimacy is. But if I hadn’t stopped using Crystal I believe I would have killed someone or myself.
 

Names have been changed in this article.

Look out for our second installment in ‘Chem Sex Revealed’ tomorrow.

For support on drug and alcohol use visit www.londonfriend.org.uk.

Edited February 20, 2014 by GachiMuchi

[Guest Dodobird]

This is from another blog (Experience Project). It is Singapore story.     

 

My Whole Story About Being Gay, HIV, Drugs, Prison Life And Trying To Get Back On Track. 

We all made mistakes in life. Some stay with you momentarily, and some attach to you for life. It is so easy to look at someone and pass off any judgements on them, yet it makes so much difference to look for a moment beyond, for that sadness beneath their smiles, or a glimmer of hope underneath that sadness.

My journey has been extremely fortunate for some, yet sometimes, the baggage I carry seems so heavy at times. As I have mentioned, we all make mistakes, and boy did I make one! One that changes my entire course of life. I sometimes look at it as a blessing underneath all the bad, and sometimes, I curse myself over my stupidity and recklessness.

It was for the most, a moment of folly. My third time trying out crystal meth, as it had been growing intensely popular amongst the gay community to enhance sex. And naturally, with the drugs come unprotected sex. This time, it was with 2 extremely hot guys. How can I resist? 2 smoking hot hunky dudes, me being the only bottom which meant I was the centre of their attraction, and a good amount of high from the meth that intensified the feeling. It almost seem like a setup of a great seancody ***** clip!

Of course, it lasted for as long as only one night, and the aftermath was to stay with me, probably to my own grave. Needless to say, from that fateful night, I probably was infected. Prior to that, I have had casual sex, but always protected. And this night, with the drugs, I gave in. They begged me to dump it inside both at the same time.. and I was too high to resist, too enjoying the moment to care about the dangers. My first double penetration, and with that high, boy was it great. The pain got clouded by the high.

Somehow, they gave me the leftover drugs to keep back home and enjoy. I did, wanting to finish it all up and be done with it ever. And being so new at this, and with a history of asthma, I had an overdose. The ambulance was called. This happened while at work, trying to puff out the last few of what I had left. And to cut the story short, I was treated, and then incarcerated to prison for a year.

Now, I’m not effeminate, but I have always been open about my sexuality. I figured, what could be so bad? Singapore is generally crime free and our prison system seems very mild compared to others where rapes happen. So, when the officer asked me if there was any issues before they proceed with my incarceration, I told them my sexuality. Frankly, it was a decision I do not regret.

Therefore, with me being out, a blood test was required before I can be put in with the other boys. It was to “safeguard” them. Naturally, I felt offended. Me, someone who isn’t violent, nor have hit anyone… had to be isolated because of other inmates protection against me. A homosexual. Being generally disciplined, I kept quiet and do not question nor protest whatever I needed to do or had to be done. From the ***** search right up to the moment I step into my isolated cell. The rest of the new inmates were all chucked into one giant cell. I thanked God.

That 2 weeks wait had to be the worst and slowest 2 weeks I ever had. Every night was spent crying myself out… about how much of a failure I was to be in prison, the first and only in the family. How I prayed to God to give me the results I wanted to hear. How I disappointed everyone around me. How I was going to miss my album release for the band that I played in. And it got only worse that the other inmates started suspecting and talking about that guy in the monkey cell. Whispers of “***** boy” and “cumdump” or “******” starts spreading. Why else would anyone who looks so perfectly healthy, albeit a lil too well groomed, be locked away from the rest of “society”?

Everyone else in prison had tattoos covering the entire bodies, and I had one artsy fartsy one of my bands motto. “He MUST be gay”, simply because I didn’t fit in to the rest of the prison inmates demographics. I couldnt care less though, I had bigger worries to think about.

So for the 2 weeks I was isolated , reality could never be clearer. Every single day was filled with conversations with God, because He was the only “person” I could talk to. The whispers of a *** boy over in the other cell got to me. At first, it was horrible to be put in a single cell. I was very sure I could blend in as a straight guy. And to my dismay, because of my isolation, it became the very thing that led them to suspect I was “different”. I digress, but in a way, it was a mixed feeling. Some treated me extra nice, while others looked at me in disgust. All these was just a prelude to something that was going to change my entire life.

Just 1 week into my incarceration, my mom, dad and elder sister came to visit. I didn’t know how to face them. A part of me was thankful I got that 20 minutes to talk to someone, especially someone whom I was dying to meet, and a part of me did not want to see them because I have hurt them enough. We talked, and we cried. And then, I told them of my wait for my blood test results. That was the last straw. And then, I had to leave the room.

Back in that cell, it was a welcome relief to actually be alone. And alone I was for 1 more week. It was torturing to have to do nothing while you wait for 2 weeks for something that could change your life. Every minute of it was spent of the possibilities, regrets and of the questions you ask to yourself. I mean, if I was outside, I could spend my time looking things up, going to work or simply find someone to talk to. Here, in prison, none of that exists. And so I prayed. And I waited.

When the day finally came, the doctor sat me down and closed the door. With that action, I knew what was to come out of his mouth. Honestly, I didn’t know what to feel or how to react. A part of me was prepared for it, yet another was totally punching me in the gut. The next 5 minutes was a blur as questions and details on my sexual activity and orientation was needed. Then it was back to my cell. Just as I marched back to my cell, I requested my Chief officer to allow me at least a day or two alone instead of transferring me over to another unit. It was denied. I guess I was just a “problem” that needed to be washed hands off now that I would no longer be under his care.

I think I have never cried as much as I did then. The officers couldn’t say or do anything at that point to try console me or put me down. I had a total new set of questions unanswered. Why? Why me? Will I die? What will happen to me?

I felt angry. Angry at myself for being so reckless. Angry for being gay. And then came the question.. who? Who did it? And I traced it back to that fateful night. That night which would stick to me forever as the night that changed my life. Yeah the sex was great, but was it worth it? So many questions. And no answers. And then came the denial. It must have been a mistake. Give me a retest. It was the last piece of action I could think of to deny me of the inevitable truth. And I spent the entire morning, mourning my own death. The death of the “me” I used to know. Because at this point of time, I was no longer alive.

After afternoon prayers and lunch, I was finally led to the cell I was to spend my entire time in prison, in another unit. And here, barely 3 hours of knowing my status, I had the full brunt of my sickness slap me on my face. Immediately, officers around me would avoid me. And all my things, my mat, my books, my towel and toiletries was handled with extreme delicate care, with 2 gloves on each hand. It was a protocol, he said, as I eyed one putting the latex gloves on. And all the inmates knew at once what had happened to me. If they were trying to be discreet about it, they weren’t exactly putting on a good job doing it. An inmate got pissed he wasn’t allowed to wear the gloves while handling my things while he and the officers searched my things before transferring me over. Right then, I felt disgusted at myself. I had turned into a creature so vile, no one would even dare touch the things I touched.

Finally, after an hour of horror as I struggled with a new type of discrimination, I was brought down to the HIV wing. Thankfully, the officers here are well educated of this, and so, made me feel a little more welcomed. No gloves necessary. And I was marched to my new cell.

They were welcoming, those 6 guys in there. And to this day, I am still in contact with a few. I was torn between wanting to be alone and needing company. Sure, I had hoped for the day for me to interact with someone, but after having the news bombed down on me, I wasn’t sure if I wanted people talking to me. At this point, I just wanted to wallow in self pity, self loathing and above all, I just wanted to cry out without having people with me.

I spent 8 more months in prison. For having good conduct, I was selected for their home tagging system, which meant I was to serve my remaining 4 months under home detenction.

The next 8 months of prison is another story to tell, but I had the most rejuvenating experience in my 30 years of life. It made me appreciate things, to not take life for granted and to show empathy towards everyone, even those you hate. We never know their stories behind people we meet who show tough fronts and character, or perhaps weak minds and desires, low or slow intellect. That sometimes, the very person society deemed so wasted, the people we judge without thought and consideration, are the very people whom we can gain so much wisdom in life from. Their fights, their struggles and their tales got them still living, despite all the obstacles they face. From there, stems my motivation to live positively, even if im HIV positive.

TO be continued on how I lived to this day, with HIV

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

I heard stories in clubs that smoking meth reveal one true ugly nature in front of their fuck buddies. Tales like being rude,angry,selfis,abusive and short temper toward others etc.

Clearly these are signs that people cannot handle the trip the drug induces and the demons it throw at you.

I wonder why people still find it appealing to do chem sex on such a destructive mood and pattern sometimes.

[NorthernLights]

Stories like the one dodobird shared are the kind that would truly be helpful in educating people here..a relatable source...local...and factual....they can be seen as relatable and diminish the lines of "aiya wont happen to me one lar"

More of these sorts of accounts by local Singaporeans who have walked the path are out there too...how they got into it...how they could see the "fine line" between use and abuse...and how quickly and easy it is to step over that line...even for them... despite never planning to and thought they recognised the differences between the two well enough to remain in control no matter what...how they lost their balance...what the consequences for them were in their lives. These stories get through and leaves an impression to at least make ppl think harder on their choice...and seek out to better equip themselves to avoid bringing that sorta negative effects into their lives as well.

 

 

But then again..this method might be deemed insufficient, long winded to some who favour the approach of casting judegments of devilish demonic damnation instead to use fear to suppress instead of knowledge to erradicate.

 

Raiden - Ironically it was actually over lots of coffee sessions with the boys in blue that I had discussions over the topic of rehabilitation specifically for meth users...the case profile studies of youth more likely to become first time users..differentiation of the methods to reach out to this segment via alternative methods of messaging...and yeah....they were long winded and lengthy explanations on the subject matter, alot of which are currently being incorporated into their existing preventive programmes for the youth...so i guess yeah, i guess a flying fuck was given by them.

 

Also might wanna check again on the 3-7 years jail term statement. I think they might have been revised.

I mean last thing we'd wanna do is give wrong info yeah...especially when it come's something as disconcertingly dangerous & dubious as these devil candies

[Guest Jmk]

Back in those days when I used to hv an online profile, When guys asked me what I was into...I used to always say 'looking to chill' and see what goes. I was oblivious to the 'meaning' of 'chill' . My definition was to hangout over drinks n ciggys and see what happens. After a while I began to increasingly get asked if I had stuff. I would just say no and cut off the chat, as I will nvr hookup w those who do stuff....it was only much later that I got to learn what 'chill' meant.....Silly me

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

Stories like the one dodobird shared are the kind that would truly be helpful in educating people here..a relatable source...local...and factual....they can be seen as relatable and diminish the lines of "aiya wont happen to me one lar"

More of these sorts of accounts by local Singaporeans who have walked the path are out there too...how they got into it...how they could see the "fine line" between use and abuse...and how quickly and easy it is to step over that line...even for them... despite never planning to and thought they recognised the differences between the two well enough to remain in control no matter what...how they lost their balance...what the consequences for them were in their lives. These stories get through and leaves an impression to at least make ppl think harder on their choice...and seek out to better equip themselves to avoid bringing that sorta negative effects into their lives as well.

But then again..this method might be deemed insufficient, long winded to some who favour the approach of casting judegments of devilish demonic damnation instead to use fear to suppress instead of knowledge to erradicate.

Raiden - Ironically it was actually over lots of coffee sessions with the boys in blue that I had discussions over the topic of rehabilitation specifically for meth users...the case profile studies of youth more likely to become first time users..differentiation of the methods to reach out to this segment via alternative methods of messaging...and yeah....they were long winded and lengthy explanations on the subject matter, alot of which are currently being incorporated into their existing preventive programmes for the youth...so i guess yeah, i guess a flying fuck was given by them.

Also might wanna check again on the 3-7 years jail term statement. I think they might have been revised.

I mean last thing we'd wanna do is give wrong info yeah...especially when it come's something as disconcertingly dangerous & dubious as these devil candies

It wasn't directed at you.Taking drugs might offer deeper insights and expand mind dimensions but eventually there will always be people who can't take it and got lost and destroy in this path.

You want a liberal society and allow people the free will to exercise their rights and made their life decisions by placing the total outcome solely on the individuals while I much rather they never got access to it. This is the fundemental differences between your thoughts and mine.

Even one casualty out of the sum total is still too much for me to take in stride. And look at our society values and anticipation to how when the arms of the law is require to flex their muscle and go down on the offenders,they will only go accordingly to the laws wihout exceptions and mercy.

I am being practical here not whimsical.

The situation,culture and environment here in homeground does not allow for one to be hopeful and benolevent to misguided people even if they deserve a second chance and I am lean to hearing them out.

[Guest Guest]

last time in the early 2000s, chill means go club lounge, drink and laze around. i dunno why it becomes a term for chem.

 

same for FB. FB is no longer fuck buddy but Friend with Benefits.

 

who comes out w such a term? I tot Friend with benefits mean the fren must pay for his stuff LOL

 

 

[NorthernLights]

It wasn't directed at you.Taking drugs might offer deeper insights and expand mind dimensions but eventually there will always be people who can't take it and got lost and destroy in this path.

You want a liberal society and allow people the free will to exercise their rights and made their life decisions by placing the total outcome solely on the individuals while I much rather they never got access to it. This is the fundemental differences between your thoughts and mine.

Even one casualty out of the sum total is still too much for me to take in stride. And look at our society values and anticipation to how when the arms of the law is require to flex their muscle and go down on the offenders,they will only go accordingly to the laws wihout exceptions and mercy.

I am being practical here not whimsical.

The situation,culture and environment here in homeground does not allow for one to be hopeful and benolevent to misguided people even if they deserve a second chance and I am lean to hearing them out.

 

Aiyo. You really need to start reading and understanding other people's posts before assuming you know what they mean and going off on a rant

I'll leave you to your assumptions on what you think I want for now...and pm you to explain it later instead of here.

Edited February 21, 2014 by NorthernLights

[Guest Why?]

Why are there so many gay men into chemfun / drugs?

 

Whenever and wherever i go - whether it is chatting over planetromeo or mirc, inevitably, i'll get some sexual propositions that include the use of chem.

 

To the users out there: 

 

i) Is conventional sex no longer satisfying? Too much easy access to sex that you can't get hard anymore that you'd need other stimulants? 

[nago_nago]

I am also bothered by this. Sex is best if its natural and safe... At least for me.

[Guest Guest]

Only gay?

[hairy springroll]

Likely to b stressful work and lifestyle

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

You can try giving CNB annoymous tip off on these people if you want.

All it take is just a mail or a call to CNB.

You are doing society a great help by cleaning up those apps and the scums that reside in it.

There are many meth users and drug runners in these gay apps that put the entire aj community at risk and corruption.

They pass aids around doing bareback chem sex destroying lives.

They also entice new gullible faces in these apps,especially those young boys with free drugs and fuck sessions in the hope of using these kids to liven up their mass drug fueled sex orgies so that more people can come into their network to enrich their sex parties and let the drug syndicates to earn more money.

It is getting rampant already in this country.

My sources told me that undercover are beginning to infiltrate into these gay apps to bust them up sooner or later.

Let hope there is no corruption and moles within the justice department itself to hinder justice.

Singapore have decay so much nowadays.

It is very sad to heard of these things.

Lastly to the public.

Try not to use these gay apps and choose your friends carefully. Many lives have been ruined already. Take heed and don't touch drugs.

[iamziz]

One of the reasons I move away from most of my former fun buddies. Long time ago a 24 years old said he couldn't be fucked without it. That was a gone case.

[nago_nago]

@iamziz

I guess he's an addict now. Sex is a gift to people. Needing drugs to have sex is like having to walk with a crutch.

[iamziz]

@iamziz

I guess he's an addict now. Sex is a gift to people. Needing drugs to have sex is like having to walk with a crutch.

 

Sad if he is. Shame when one loses the ability to have sex without ''such help''. 

[Guest Guest]

Sad if he is. Shame when one loses the ability to have sex without ''such help''.

Why would people not be able to have sex without drugs? Partner noy attractive enough or too stressed to erect/stay erect and relax?

[SeannyShortcake]

Why?

 

Because drugs stimulate the senses by so much more as compared to the pleasures of eating and having sex.

 

But you've gotta have the sense to know Mother Nature never planned to overload your system this way lest there be repercussions.

[Guest Guest]

Why?

Because drugs stimulate the senses by so much more as compared to the pleasures of eating and having sex.

But you've gotta have the sense to know Mother Nature never planned to overload your system this way lest there be repercussions.

Oh it's like adding too much msg and sugar in food. Doesn't sound appealing at all imho. What's with these people? What are they thinking?

[SeannyShortcake]

Oh it's like adding too much msg and sugar in food. Doesn't sound appealing at all imho. What's with these people? What are they thinking?

 

Oh I wouldn't know.

 

I cook my own meals

[Guest Guest]

Oh I wouldn't know.

I cook my own meals

Hehe ok. I suppose drinking alcohol and dancing wildly for 5 hours straight give ALMOST the same effect, albeit in a healthier, more natural way.

[Guest drug free]

Stay far far away from drugs guys, and that includes alcohol binges.

 

But the title a bit misleading ... are there really so many gays into drugs? Be careful what we say of ourselves on public domains in case we give extra ammunition for the gay haters to attack us. 

 

Anyway drugs and sexuality are two separate things altogether and one doesn't influence the other. Boils down to the individual and the type of company he keeps.

 

I think great majority of us are clean and intend to stay just this way.  

[snowball]

If you study oversea, you will know that chem/drug do not always go with raw sex or sex,

many used that during chill up or relax stress, however people are getting more and more over,

and chem are fucking ex, i won't judge anyone who use it, but won't encourage too, esp those

who easily get addicted, stay away from those stuffs, don't cos the short hours of excitiment

and ruin your whole life, worst, hurt those who love you, eg your parents.

[Guest Gassy]

I noticed that a lot of the guys who chill or use drugs are the older type. I did asked a few mature guys why they chill and their responses are always similar. They reached a age where they cant get hard long and drugs helped them prolong.

[Guest Guest]

they used their dick more than their brain.

[Guest Laukuku]

I noticed that a lot of the guys who chill or use drugs are the older type. I did asked a few mature guys why they chill and their responses are always similar. They reached a age where they cant get hard long and drugs helped them prolong.

A lot of the older gay either earned a lot of money, thus have time for new "hobbies". One of them is exploring new fun.

There are also a lot of them who feel no more hope in life, and also they dying soon (or becoming really old and ugly), why not throw caution to the wind and just enjoy life?

[Guest Guest]

I noticed that a lot of the guys who chill or use drugs are the older type. I did asked a few mature guys why they chill and their responses are always similar. They reached a age where they cant get hard long and drugs helped them prolong.

this prove that your circle of friends are really very limited, pity you

[TheVisitors]

When such substances are used, you go into a temporal state of super euphoria where your neurotransmitters are numbed , and free from all the suffering emotional sides of being human

 

Mind you its merely temporal because when the effects are over, you are back to reality. When is illusionary  euphoria is over, your neurotransmitters are all so screwed that you will go into a depression.

 

Then when they crave for that euphoria, they take those substances

 

Like any other drugs, these substances have different codes and colours labelled on to them to attain different levels of euphoria

 

Euphoria...depression..euphoria..depression..eventually it is a vicious cycle we termed as addiction.

 

To a certain time when the substances were used, the body becomes so used to it, that to attain that euphoria, they increase their dosage

 

You may think the euphoria state are worth entering, but you forgot the amount of serious damages you have did and harmed your brains, neurotransmitters, and your vital organs and energy

 

You will aged in a matter of time and it shows it on your face

 

Taking drugs is therefore strongly not advised. I had so many friends who lead in wasted lives because of drugs. Even you are out of it, but somehow, they display very unusual or weird idiosyncrancies, because their neurotransmitters are badly affected

 

Most people will take drugs to attain euphoria, so was to attain climax to the max, and when they get pounded by a group of guys, they don't feel a pain, but total ecstasy , The danger is that when they are in a very high mode, they don't realize they did bareback, but only after the whole show is over, then do they fear if they might get affected by HIV or STDs.

 

Most drug users I know, are degree holders, high flyers, PHDs etc. They are simply very bored with the mundane world. When they have achieved so much in life, there is nothing to look forward. So when they get bored, they resort to drugs , giving them that extra kicks and thrills

 

There are many who thinks it is very hype and in to be seen using drugs

 

I would not report them even if I know they are using drugs. Somehow or rather, their own karma will knock onto their doors, when they least expected

 

Its like  a case where a drug peddler, who committed suicide, a day before he was trialed 

 

True happiness is own within; it is not found by using drugs

Edited October 9, 2014 by TheVisitors

[Guest Guest]

What kind of idiosyncracies do they display? Can give examples? Highflyers. You make them sound glamorous. They can be all sorts of people from all walks of life.

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

http://sgforums.com/forums/12/topics/384039

[Guest Gassy]

this prove that your circle of friends are really very limited, pity you

Dun jump to conclusions. Firstly I din say they are my friends. They are merely people who approached me online for chill sex. I dun see them as friends. Just guys I chatted with online.

2ndly, I m proud to say I have a small group of friends who dun do drugs. So save yr pity for those who do drugs.

[Guest No to drugs]

 

Most drug users I know, are degree holders, high flyers, PHDs etc. They are simply very bored with the mundane world. When they have achieved so much in life, there is nothing to look forward. So when they get bored, they resort to drugs , giving them that extra kicks and thrills

 

 

 

To your point about the profile of those users. I know some of these people. Sadly they are on the path of self destruction. I knew some of these guys who used to be people I envy/admire (extremely intelligent, high achievers, have everything going for them) deteriorate mentally and physically. One person I know for example have memory problems (he is only around mid 40s), extreme insomnia, weight loss. One of the tell tale sign is that some of these guys have weird tiny red blisters (quite different from normal acne) on their skin (face plus body). I assume those might be due to the body trying to excrete the toxins? 

[batamsg]

really?

many gays take drugs/chem?

wow

[Guest Guest]

To your point about the profile of those users. I know some of these people. Sadly they are on the path of self destruction. I knew some of these guys who used to be people I envy/admire (extremely intelligent, high achievers, have everything going for them) deteriorate mentally and physically. One person I know for example have memory problems (he is only around mid 40s), extreme insomnia, weight loss. One of the tell tale sign is that some of these guys have weird tiny red blisters (quite different from normal acne) on their skin (face plus body). I assume those might be due to the body trying to excrete the toxins?

Sounds like std

[Guest Raiden Alpha]

Sounds like std

Meth Rot.

Google it and see what it is.

Crystal Dick and Irritability are also common symptoms for meth users.