Possible To Turn A Straight Men Gay?

[singalion]

From my personal view I think you need to draw differences in societies which are in general more open nowadays towards being gay and those more "oppressive" ones.

 

You can't compare the situation of men in Asian societies with more homosexuality friendly Western societies.

 

What I noted is, in Western societies nowadays more younger guys are exploring, having homosexual experiences during their teens, but at a certain point they tend to go into one single direction. Maybe a small minority may still play around with guys (eventually being married) due to certain reasons.

 

But looking at the whole issue, I don't think you can turn any straight guy to a gay. He just doesn't enjoy gay sex, he doesn't get hard. He needs the tits and the pussy of a girl to get his sexual hype.

In some peer pressure situation, a straight might penetrate a guy, but it doesn't make him gay.

In jail he might turn fucking a guy. But he would still be straight and still dreaming of sex with a girl.

In certain rare situations a straight guy may encounter sex with a man, but he won't turn gay.

 

What I see more in Asian societies is, pressure from societal views on gays or lack of religious tolerance that turns gays to run a straight life while deep inside they are gays.

I met even Malaysian Chinese guys who all their teens and years had only sex with guys and who out of pressure from their family married a girl in their late 20s, early 30s but mostly play with guys once their duty of creating some offspring has been settled.

If you go to Malaysia or Indonesia, how many married guys do you meet who simply only have sex with men?

Their marriage is a sort of sham to cover up their homosexuality.

You can even find the Catholic Philippines having the same amount of guys who are married but exclusively play with men.

 

Thailand might be an exception for the bigger cities but not so much for the rural places.

 

Would these guys have married if homosexuality had not been seen negatively in society or by religion?

To me these guys are all gays.

 

To come back:

No, straight guys you can't turn gay.

The prevalence of "bisexual" guys in South East Asia is connected to the  negative connotations running with homosexuality in these societies (to me these guys entertaining other men sexually aren't actually bisexual).

[mangotsf]

why not ask yourself if u can turn yourself from gay to straight? 

[Guest Uncle]

On 6/8/2020 at 2:02 PM, mangotsf said:

why not ask yourself if u can turn yourself from gay to straight? 

It's a gradient spectrum. Not boxes. People move along this spectrum influenced by biology, physiology, social, environmental and cultural factors. For example, in certain tribes boys suck cocks as part of becoming a man, people swap wives or even felt honor if a visitor fuck his wife. Husbands turned to gay relationships after failed marriage. People born with 2 or no sexual organs later chose the opposite. Transgender female wants their penis back. So be open minded. It's not black or white. Shades of gray, it is.

[InBangkok]

On 6/8/2020 at 12:59 PM, singalion said:

looking at the whole issue, I don't think you can turn any straight guy to a gay. He just doesn't enjoy gay sex, he doesn't get hard. He needs the tits and the pussy of a girl to get his sexual hype.

 

Can I twist the question? Can you make a gay man straight?

 

I have an American friend now living in New York. He spent almost three decades in Asia - Bangkok and Hong Kong - and was always quite openly gay. I  met him many times because we worked in the same type of business and we went to the same gym. He left Hong Kong in 1996 to work in Europe. A few years later he returned to his home town of New York. Within another few years he shocked all his friends by announcing he was straight and had a girlfriend. Soon after that I met him for breakfast in New York. He made me almost throw up going into details about how pleasurable sex was with a woman compared to a man! He is still with the same woman. How that happens when you are in your mid-60s I totally fail to understand!

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by InBangkok

[Guest What]

You can convert a straight guy gay no more than you can convert a gay guy straight. 

 

This kind of question is just frustrating. It just isn't nice to harass people - straight or gay. 

[Guest Uncle]

1 hour ago, Guest What said:

You can convert a straight guy gay no more than you can convert a gay guy straight. 

 

This kind of question is just frustrating. It just isn't nice to harass people - straight or gay. 

Its not either or. Its a spectrum

[fab]

So orientation is not mutually exclusive?

 

I once read am article that said every guy will have at least one homosexual experience. 

[upshot]

If all you can see it Black or White. Negative or Positive. Gay or Str8. Then you have not been updating your outlook on the world around you.

 

From a single cell amoeba we evolved. We left the sea, grew limbs eventually and over time developing a brain. With that we adapt and evolve to improve with every setback and condition we came across. Overtime evolving from primate apes ancestry, we further evolve to distinguish ourselves from other creatures and rising to the top of the food chain as apex predators. Developing a more advance brain we become more complex to where we are now in 2020 and STILL EVOLVING. Unfortunately we are too limited by our life span to understanding and observe intelligently our own human state changing thorough the years to come.

 

I am sure human in the future will look back at our timeline and see further changes in comparison to their time line..maybe we would have change even more physically and gender might be more complex. And this will keep going on and on and on. Where will it all leads? Who knows. We or I can only speculate.

 

But with hindsight when looking back at biological history, from a single cell organism, we become a two gender creature that requires both to sexually mate in order to carry on the human race.

 

Why gay or lesbian human appear on the scene is not really unexpected. Evolution is all about mutation and adaptation. It is mother nature's trial-and-error experiments where if it works, it carries on existing and procreate to carry on the human race. If it DOES NOT work, it dies off. We can call this cruel but it will keep happening as the law of nature. This I learn from science in education. To deep a thinking for you to understand? Life is complex. I don't know how to put it anyjore simpler.

 

Will gays dies off one day? No idea. I say we are an oddity of biology that will still pop out once in a while from couples but human need both sexes to keep producing babies if not, humanity will surely be lost. Okay, what I am trying to say is not about GAY's life span into the future.

 

What I am saying is, mutation is and evolution process, that maybe why gays and lesbians are born and if so, why not other kinds? Why not bisexual where he or she can experiment with asexual gratification and settle back to normality or stay with both as an example? WHY DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT ALL TO JUST ONLY GAY OR STR8. Remember, it was hard for str8 to think there's such a thing as gay or lesbian. Now that gays/lesbians do not seem so strange, why now so hard for gays or str8 to think or accept there are OTHER ALTERNATIVES? There might be only two forms of bodies, a male and female but the mental personality is the one that is more diverse. A Spectrum. That's what I am getting at.

 

Look around you. This is 2020. So many examples out there showing you, the human race is biologically diverse and still evolving creature as we move forward in time. A Spectrum you can not begin to understanding. Don't pigeon-hole your reality to what keeps you comfortable trap in a false belief to help you seduce or get that guy to be with you or marry just because you managed to get this str8 boy to bed with you. He could do it due to lust but once the sperm is out. And the lust is gone, will he still have feelings for you. It is what it is in the larger scheme of life.

 

SEX is SEX. A str8 can still love anal or be anal-ed by you and still want to go marry and have kids the natural way with a women. You do not have the right to label him gay just because you fucked him or he fucked you. He is not like you, he is at the very least a bi. He can do you or a women and not think anything special about it. He dare not confess to the world he is like that more out of taboo and society pressure.

 

I have asked before and I ask this question again. Do you really know what being gay really is about? I sometime suspect we have quite a few gay or str8 brothers who are not sure who or what they are and still very confusing with their life choices mentally fighting in their head. Being gay SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL SEX YOU LIKE or NOT LIKE. That does not and can not be use as a ruler to see if you measure up as gay or str8. There are too many types. So why must it be gay or str8. Accept the fact that there is a spectrum of choices that is at play.

 

BEING Gay is about living life as one. Living a gay or lesbian life is about wanting that person to spend your life with. A sense of attraction for him body and soul 24/7. You totally can not see yourself being with a woman in any way. In and out of bed you find that attraction feel so normal a feeling just like a normal str8 couple have for each other.

 

If all you can think about is sex with that person and only associate sex with him as the ONLY sign or definition that you are gay or not, you have lost the plot to your understanding about what constitute to being a gay man.

 

Sexuality is a spectrum. That's why there are males who can go fuck around with other women but still come home to the same one ...for life. Sex is just a sport for them. Some people can see sex as an outlet and while another an act akin to love. Many forms it takes and I am sure you can imagine many more types around us if you read the threads of topic in BW.

 

I hope I am making sense to bring light to the fact that there are more than one way to look at things. I know of people who thought they were gay but was alway awkward with guys after sex. Fact is, they like the sex bits when they get all hot and heavy when they get blue balls. But when they finally understood that, it's very liberating, and they feel relief and happy. The still fuck guys but now without a guilty mind. The only reason why they thought themselves gay is more because people for too long talking about the stigma of guys who dare to try sex with another guy are really gay deep inside. When you keep hearing that, for some this plays with their mind. And if they can not find resolve, this stigma stays with them a long time and this can effect their life in so many ways. Give it a thought and clear up your own doubts or reaffirm why you are for sure a gay man and proud of it.

 

Something to dig deeper into ...

https://www.healthline.com/health/different-types-of-sexuality

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by upshot
typo and clarity

[Steve5380]

On 5/11/2019 at 5:13 PM, CuriousCuriousMan said:

to me, the definition of gay would be having emotionals feelings towards the same sex. 

 

want to be fucked, or fucking an ass doesn't make you gay.. my 2cents

 

On 5/11/2019 at 7:36 PM, fab said:

 

A guy Lusting for another guy is not gay?

 

want to be fucked, or fucking an ass doesn't make you gay...  Very true.

 

because straight guys also like to fuck women's asses and like to be fucked by them with a dildo.

[Guest Uncle]

15 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

 

want to be fucked, or fucking an ass doesn't make you gay...  Very true.

 

because straight guys also like to fuck women's asses and like to be fucked by them with a dildo.

In prison, all straight men became mouth and asshole fuckers. No choice...

[Steve5380]

On 6/8/2020 at 1:02 AM, mangotsf said:

why not ask yourself if u can turn yourself from gay to straight? 

 

This is an interesting point of view.  We can speculate about sexuality all day long but nothing is better than introspection and have the information directly from the source instead of just by hearsay.  To do this... it helps to be old,  because we have a complete life of experience to analyze and make conclusions from.

 

8 hours ago, InBangkok said:

 

Can I twist the question? Can you make a gay man straight?

 

I have an American friend now living in New York. He spent almost three decades in Asia - Bangkok and Hong Kong - and was always quite openly gay. I  met him many times because we worked in the same type of business and we went to the same gym. He left Hong Kong in 1996 to work in Europe. A few years later he returned to his home town of New York. Within another few years he shocked all his friends by announcing he was straight and had a girlfriend. Soon after that I met him for breakfast in New York. He made me almost throw up going into details about how pleasurable sex was with a woman compared to a man! He is still with the same woman. How that happens when you are in your mid-60s I totally fail to understand!

 

 

Yes, it is difficult to understand, especially in others.  

 

In my case, judging from introspection I classify myself as gay (sexually) and bisexual (mostly emotionally).  In my marriage it was perhaps the emotional bisexuality that made it work.  Once divorced and free and more "out", my gay self has thrived. I lived for 20 years with my bf.  Now in my 70s sexuality is not as strong and important anymore, and I also find attraction in  women. I could now marry a (younger) woman and follow a straight life, even with straight sex.  But...  wise old man!  I now cherish tranquility and freedom   

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, upshot said:

 

Sexuality is a spectrum. There are many degree of variation available and sometime it has nothing to do with gender. That is why there are males who can go fucking around with other women but still come home to the same one ...for life. Some people can see sex as an outlet and not let it dictate what they truly are. I hope I am making sense to those who want to learn there is more than one way to look at things. I know of people who thought they were gay but in fact they like the sex part and when they finally understood that, they are so much more happy. The only reason why they thought they were gay is because people for too long seem to always say, once you have sex or like having sex with another guy they are gay. Give it a thought and clear up any doubts you might have in your life.

 

 

Very true.   Thinking about the future, if we are optimists as we should be,  we can envision gender and sexual orientation become less and less important.   NOBODY (including gods) should care who we have sex with and who we marry.  Male or female,  these are the choices,  few enough to not fuss about.

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Edited June 12, 2020 by Steve5380

[upshot]

You can't turn someone gay against his will. You MIGHT get him to try man-to-man sex (notice I did not say gay) But that is no guarantee he is now gay just because you slept with him. You have a choice and so does he or she to be who they want.

 

This is 2020 where so much talk and free porn available out there showing all forms of sexuality to arouse one's curiosity and new sexual avenues for exploration and open to every guys and gals. As exposure continues to all these diversities of sexual forms, it starts to feel like or becomes the 'norm' making it easier to persuade individuals to try to experiment or even adopt certain new sexual practices alongside their usual choice of sexual activities.

 

Would some later change to having sex with male and not female? Yes. Or after experimenting with guys prefer to go back to females? Yes that can happen also. Always a possibility it can go either way. You are dreaming if you think you can exert that much influence over someone's final choice IF he or she is not willing to.

 

Anyway to test or tell if they can? Whoes to say. You are talking about another human, and they have a mind of their own. If they choose to stay or not; be gay or not; pick you as his gay partner for life or another guy after you; everything is a possible outcome. This is the way life is. You can only learn to grow, enjoy the moment and if setback happens, deal with it as best you can, move on and try again.

 

It is what it is.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by upshot
typo and clarity

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, upshot said:

You can't turn someone gay. You MIGHT get him to try man-to-man sex (notice I did not say gay) But that is no guarantee he is now gay because you sleep with him.  You have a choice. So does he or she.

Everything is a variable and can change. This is the way life is. You can only learn to grow, enjoy the moment and if setback happens, deal with it as best you can, move on and try again.

 

 

The above is another consequence of Einstein's theory of relativity,  both the special and the general:

 

"Everything is Relative"  

[Guest Uncle]

14 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

The above is another consequence of Einstein's theory of relativity,  both the special and the general:

 

"Everything is Relative"  

What's the motive of conversion, if conversion exists? There are millions of fish in the ocean...

[Steve5380]

14 minutes ago, Guest Uncle said:

What's the motive of conversion, if conversion exists? There are millions of fish in the ocean...

 

You are right.  Gays are a small proportion of the population.  Why cannot gays be gays, and straights be straights?

 

It may be the same scientific push like developing a vaccine for covid-19.  So far the cases of conversions from one to the other are small.

But if they can find a vaccine against homosexuality,  they may be able to produce hundreds of millions of doses,

and inoculate the whole human population.  Then everybody will be happily straight.

[Guest Uncle]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You are right.  Gays are a small proportion of the population.  Why cannot gays be gays, and straights be straights?

 

It may be the same scientific push like developing a vaccine for covid-19.  So far the cases of conversions from one to the other are small.

But if they can find a vaccine against homosexuality,  they may be able to produce hundreds of millions of doses,

and inoculate the whole human population.  Then everybody will be happily straight.

It is not a vaccine. Vaccination is for disease that is an organism attacking it's host. If gay is a genetic coding, then it takes a serum to altar the protein strains and change the expression.

[Guest impossible]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

But if they can find a vaccine against homosexuality,  they may be able to produce hundreds of millions of doses,

and inoculate the whole human population. 

 

sorry to break the news. 

homosexuality is not encoded in our genes. 

some studies have shown that it may be an epigenetic modification resulting from environmental toxins or chemicals after conception, but it most definitely not genetic.

[Guest haha]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

The above is another consequence of Einstein's theory of relativity,  both the special and the general:

 

"Everything is Relative"  

 

you are not very "relative" when it comes to applying theories out of context.

check your relativism haha

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, Guest impossible said:

 

sorry to break the news. 

homosexuality is not encoded in our genes. 

some studies have shown that it may be an epigenetic modification resulting from environmental toxins or chemicals after conception, but it most definitely not genetic.

 

8 hours ago, Guest Uncle said:

It is not a vaccine. Vaccination is for disease that is an organism attacking it's host. If gay is a genetic coding, then it takes a serum to altar the protein strains and change the expression.

 

Cannot a vaccine prevent the "epigenetic modification" of Guest impossible attack us, it's host ?  Maybe producing "antibodies" for the "epigenetic modification" ?

(why cannot I write dumb things like this,  if my President could say that by drinking bleach we can kill the covid-19 inside the body? )

 

8 hours ago, Guest haha said:

 

you are not very "relative" when it comes to applying theories out of context.

check your relativism haha

 

If Einstein believed that the velocity of light is the same regardless of the frame of reference of the observer,  why cannot I believe that his theory can be applied regardless of the mind of reference,  yours or mine?  Isn't it just "relative"?

[Guest Uncle]

On 6/13/2020 at 8:23 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

 

Cannot a vaccine prevent the "epigenetic modification" of Guest impossible attack us, it's host ?  Maybe producing "antibodies" for the "epigenetic modification" ?

(why cannot I write dumb things like this,  if my President could say that by drinking bleach we can kill the covid-19 inside the body? )

 

 

If Einstein believed that the velocity of light is the same regardless of the frame of reference of the observer,  why cannot I believe that his theory can be applied regardless of the mind of reference,  yours or mine?  Isn't it just "relative"?

So there's no cure for the gay pandemic? Damn. Now I'm stuck here forever with you...

[Steve5380]

9 minutes ago, Guest Uncle said:

So there's no cure for the gay pandemic? Damn. Now I'm stuck here forever with you...

 

Stuck with me ??   Am I the only gay around here?

[Guest Yyl]

It takes that something/someone to activate the interest in the straight guy to turn him into gay or bi. Using food as example, a person tells u that he does not drink tea. 

 

Does it mean that he will never like tea in the future? No.

 

Does it mean that he will not like other type of tea or tea products, i.e. bubble tea, matcha ice cream? No.

 

Under some circumstances where he has no choice, i.e. he is thirsty (for sex perhaps), does it also mean that he would rather die of thirst and still not drink tea? No.

 

 

 

[upshot]

Serioulsy much WISHFUL THINKING here hahahahahah

 

[Guest Guest]

On 6/8/2020 at 2:02 PM, mangotsf said:

why not ask yourself if u can turn yourself from gay to straight? 

Please. What silly question is that? Straight man who had yet to enjoy gay sex may like it after getting their penis suck by gay me. Gay men love to have sex with straight men so gays will put more effort in pleasuring the straight men to a point the straight men become umbearable but to shoot their load. And these straight men will desire more gay men for sex.

 

Gay on on the other hand will never like chee bye or woman's breast. We gays are replused by virgiana. 

 

So to your answer, straights and become gay and gay cannot turn straight.

[Guest Uncle]

On 6/16/2020 at 1:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

Please. What silly question is that? Straight man who had yet to enjoy gay sex may like it after getting their penis suck by gay me. Gay men love to have sex with straight men so gays will put more effort in pleasuring the straight men to a point the straight men become umbearable but to shoot their load. And these straight men will desire more gay men for sex.

 

Gay on on the other hand will never like chee bye or woman's breast. We gays are replused by virgiana. 

 

So to your answer, straights and become gay and gay cannot turn straight.

So they will never change? It's fixed? Why my uncle become straight after living gay life for 3 year?? So confused

[Guest Uncle]

On 6/16/2020 at 1:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

Please. What silly question is that? Straight man who had yet to enjoy gay sex may like it after getting their penis suck by gay me. Gay men love to have sex with straight men so gays will put more effort in pleasuring the straight men to a point the straight men become umbearable but to shoot their load. And these straight men will desire more gay men for sex.

 

Gay on on the other hand will never like chee bye or woman's breast. We gays are replused by virgiana. 

 

So to your answer, straights and become gay and gay cannot turn straight.

People do change

[Guest Guest]

On 6/15/2020 at 1:35 PM, upshot said:

Serioulsy much WISHFUL THINKING here hahahahahah

 

Serious bigotry hahahaha

[lightsmith32]

any str8 guy can be made to have sex with another man given the right motivation. its all about giving him what his heart truly desires ...

[fab]

As long as you press the right button to switch him on.

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, lightsmith32 said:

any str8 guy can be made to have sex with another man given the right motivation. its all about giving him what his heart truly desires ...

Agree. 

 

Guys in some countries are straight but treat this as a job.

 

Those who insisted that straight man does not engage in same gender sex or if they do so, then they are bi, are simply blind

[Guest Aiya]

No need to convert or turn str8 into gay.

 

If it happens, it happens.

 

If they are keen, and during interaction, somehow one thing may lead to another.  It is like a man seducing a woman loh, or a married man seduce or kena seduced by a woman....Sama Sama one

 

 

 

[Self-Inflicted Pain]

I got to know this guy online. We chatted on IT stuff online. We later chatted on sex stuff, things followed. We touched on ladies and there was an issue about someone doing crossdressing. He told me he wondered how it was like wearing panty and asked if I wanted to watch. I said sure. 

He was serious and we met up in a hotel. He came prepared, brought along his gf's panty.. he asked me to dress him up.. i teased him that he was too hairy, who knows, he brought along a small scissors and asked me to trim for him. 

I think he enjoyed it a lot... i made him posing some sexy shots, took pic of him, which he asked me to send to him and made me promised not to share with anyone, especially those with his face.... I fondled his dick with his panty on.. and he was so turned on... He told me he was fingered by his regular lady masseur, i took that as an invitation to finger him, i did... but we were not prepared so we did not do further than that.. 

 

few weeks later, he messaged me and asked if I wanted to fuck him and suggested to meet during lunch time. We did. 

 

 

[Guest Fisherman friend]

Those that know how to score with straight guys are the gays who know how to 田园谜语, 放长线钓大鱼... that is how i got turned gay.

[Guest Guest]

Me n my neighbor in fxxk buddy relation for long. He is married with kids but separated with wife. They r not divorce but no longer living together, both go own way. Tis happened yrs ago when he was into cycling with me. Mths after mths after cycling, we became more n more bro n touchy. Everything start fr tere. 

[grocksdlostboy]

Whoops sorry. Just wanted to hear perspectives on this from the rest. Anyway if anyone has further stories of seducing your st8/bi friends do share! 

[Neh Neh]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Me n my neighbor in fxxk buddy relation for long. He is married with kids but separated with wife. They r not divorce but no longer living together, both go own way. Tis happened yrs ago when he was into cycling with me. Mths after mths after cycling, we became more n more bro n touchy. Everything start fr tere. 

So how it happened? You guys done first time in park connector?

[grocksdlostboy]

Yeah!! Anyone has successful stories or pointers to seduce straight guys, please share!! 

 

Interested to hear and know more!!