[TheGSpot] Qrientation@NUS 2016

[TheGSpot]

 

Calling all incoming LGBTQ+ NUS freshmen! 

Join Qrientation@NUS'16: Mythique! Qrientation is an independent orientation program that focuses on the needs and concerns of LGBTQ+ students, while providing an opportunity to mingle and meet new friends. All current and matriculating full-time NUS and Yale-NUS students are welcome!

Qrientation@NUS 2016 is happening on 18 June 2016, 9am-6.30pm. The venue will be disclosed privately in a confirmation email to registered participants. 

Sign up before 15 June 2016: http://tinyurl.com/nusqrientation2016signup

For any questions, email reach@theg-spot.org. 

[Qrientation@NUS is jointly organized by Gender Collective (NUS University Scholars Programme), tFreedom (Tembusu College) and The G Spot (Yale-NUS College) as part of the Inter-University LGBT Network, Singapore.]

[Guest Guest]

This group is so discriminatory.  Although it chooses to have a + behind LGBTQ and says all are welcome, it does not really represent straight people.  Why are LGBTQ+ singled for this organisation and not everybody ?   This is especially so when LGBTQ people claims that they are no different from straight people.  Then why straight people are welcome and not represented ?  By singling out the LGBTQ people, you are effectively saying that they are different and needs special treatment.

[Guest Sam]

LGBTQ+ are also human, why need to have a separate orientation program ?  As LGBT always draw a comparison with blacks, we do need an orientation for just black people ?  Or Chinese, Malay, Indian, etc ?  What is so special about LGBTQ?   So if we are different, then we have no right to normalise our relationships !  This is a self defeating group.

[lovehandle]

preferably targeting at the young ones

[Guest postgrad]

I prefer to see it as a way of meeting the "special" needs of the rainbow community which is more difficult to do so during "straight" events, such as finding a potential bf for a guy.

 

For the above haters, if your arguments are correct, then there shouldn't be any gay saunas, gay pubs, gay nights/events at the club etc. Everyone should just join the straights in whatever we do.

 

Moreover, this Qrientation is something extra, which means those LGBTQ freshmen could still join the "straight" orientation besides this. And vice versa, the straight ones could join the Qrientation too. So, I don't see any form of singling out here.

 

Similarly, in a multi national and multi racial country like Sg, the different nationalities and races do organise gatherings according to their nationalities and races, but I am sure they wouldn't mind having other nationalities and races joining them too. It is exclusive yet inclusive.

 

So I don't really see any harm in having this Qrientation. :-)

 

[Guest Guest]

Why must call people "haters" ?  It's a worrying sign that education institutions have organisations that teaches people to call people "haters".

[Guest Guest]

Why should sauna and pubs be delineated by sexual orientation ?  Because people wants to have sex there which the government close one eye to it.  Yes, there is no need to separate by sexual orientation if people don't have sex or intend to have hanky panky there or from there.  I don't even understand why you want to use sauna / pubs to justify a LGBTQ group in the first place.

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, Guest postgrad said:

Similarly, in a multi national and multi racial country like Sg, the different nationalities and races do organise gatherings according to their nationalities and races, but I am sure they wouldn't mind having other nationalities and races joining them too. It is exclusive yet inclusive.

 

So I don't really see any harm in having this Qrientation. :-)

 

 

We should not have segregations by sexual orientation if we are saying LGBTQ are normal and is the SAME as straight and using it to justify equality.  If gay sex and straight sex are the same, then why should there be a club ?   By having such a club, we are admitting that we are different and therefore, we would not be accorded the same status.  Since we are different, then we cannot argue for marriage equality.  

[Guest Guest]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

This group is so discriminatory.  Although it chooses to have a + behind LGBTQ and says all are welcome, it does not really represent straight people.  Why are LGBTQ+ singled for this organisation and not everybody ?   This is especially so when LGBTQ people claims that they are no different from straight people.  Then why straight people are welcome and not represented ?  By singling out the LGBTQ people, you are effectively saying that they are different and needs special treatment.

Gays can be much more superficial than straights ! Age limit in many events  is also but just one of them ! 

[Guest lol]

When more and more people act like feminists, whatever you do and say is wrong and will offend some people. It is hard to please even the majority, let alone everyone. 

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest lol said:

When more and more people act like feminists, whatever you do and say is wrong and will offend some people. It is hard to please even the majority, let alone everyone. 

Ya lor , should learn like Taiwanese gays , they have different group of gays , young and old ones separated , chubby and well built ones separated , they also don't like other nationalities and races to stay and work there ! I know of a Singapore female manager who got a hard time being a head there ! 

[Guest Sad]

20 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Ya lor... they also don't like other nationalities and races to stay and work there ! I know of a Singapore female manager who got a hard time being a head there ! 

 

Is this an area that we Sg have to improve on? I think many "FTs" are climbing on our heads.

[Guest Discrim]

LGBT wants to be by themselves and then claim discrimination.  Great !

[Guest different but samesame]

5 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

We should not have segregations by sexual orientation if we are saying LGBTQ are normal and is the SAME as straight and using it to justify equality.  If gay sex and straight sex are the same, then why should there be a club ?   By having such a club, we are admitting that we are different and therefore, we would not be accorded the same status.  Since we are different, then we cannot argue for marriage equality.  

 

Being different does not mean we cannot be equal.

Men and women are DIFFERENT, but we are supposed to treat the opposite sex equally.

Caucasians and Asians are DIFFERENT too, we also have to treat each other equally.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being different. Since young, I know I am different from most boys, but that does not deter me from being treated equally with respect.

 

As they say, birds of a feather flock together. You don't see pigeons flocking with sparrows. But that does not mean they cannot coexist in harmony. Similarly for gays and straights, we are different, but that should not deter us from coexisting in harmony. :-)

[joshTWjosh]

Wow this thread sure has a lot of people who have not had sex for a long time!

[TheGSpot]

Hi there, thank you for your interest in Qrientation and the very discussion! 

 

We apologise if there has been any misunderstanding regarding this programme. It is not meant to discriminate based on sexual orientation, age or any other category. 

 

We strongly agree with what some of you have pointed out about discrimination and prejudice. The G Spot is a group that aims to promote diversity and inclusion both on-campus and in the larger community, and we have been running many programmes to create a more inclusive and plural society. 

 

However, we regret that some of you may have misunderstood the purpose and objectives of this programme. Given the current less-than-favourable climate towards LGBTQ+ people in Singapore, this programme aims to provide a safe and affirming space for LGBTQ+ students at NUS to socialise and find out about on- and off-campus support resources that are available. In fact, this is the second year that our groups are collaborating to organise this, and the fourth year that such an orientation event has been organised! NTU and SMU also run similar programmes for their students too. 

 

Apart from this programme, The G Spot and our partner groups at the Inter-University LGBT Network organise many other programmes such as social mixers, panel discussions and campaigns to promote inclusion and diversity. 

 

We hope that this has helped to clarify any doubts or misunderstanding. If you have more suggestions or comments, you can also reach us directly at reach@the-gspot.org. We will also be at Pink Dot so come say hi to us if you will be there too! 

 

Thank you! (: 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

5 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Being different does not mean we cannot be equal.

Men and women are DIFFERENT, but we are supposed to treat the opposite sex equally.

Caucasians and Asians are DIFFERENT too, we also have to treat each other equally.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being different. Since young, I know I am different from most boys, but that does not deter me from being treated equally with respect.

 

As they say, birds of a feather flock together. You don't see pigeons flocking with sparrows. But that does not mean they cannot coexist in harmony. Similarly for gays and straights, we are different, but that should not deter us from coexisting in harmony. :-)

 

You are self contradictory. Different is different.  Equal is equal.

I thought that is very simple to understand.

Man and woman are treated differently, please.  At work, we should give them equal renumeration for the same work they produce not because they are the same. Not because man and woman are the same.

The problems here is that LGBT claim their relationship is the same as straight.  How can a barren relationship be the same as a fertile one ?  I would support a civil union but not marriage for this reason.

But this club is highlighting the fact that LGBTQ are simply different when sexual orientation is concern.  Cause the LGBT terms are wrt sexual orientation.  If you say we have the same interest and therefore we open a club to accommodate that, I can understand.  But this club is clearly about sexual orientation which LGBT people claim is the same as straight !  Having such club is therefore discriminatory and self defeating. 

 

[Guest Guest]

18 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Being different does not mean we cannot be equal.

Men and women are DIFFERENT, but we are supposed to treat the opposite sex equally.

Caucasians and Asians are DIFFERENT too, we also have to treat each other equally.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being different. Since young, I know I am different from most boys, but that does not deter me from being treated equally with respect.

 

As they say, birds of a feather flock together. You don't see pigeons flocking with sparrows. But that does not mean they cannot coexist in harmony. Similarly for gays and straights, we are different, but that should not deter us from coexisting in harmony. :-)

What equalities are talking about , we will all know the whites  will always be at a higher status and more superior than others ! 

[Guest Guest]

10 minutes ago, TheGSpot said:

Hi there, thank you for your interest in Qrientation and the very discussion! 

 

We apologise if there has been any misunderstanding regarding this programme. It is not meant to discriminate based on sexual orientation, age or any other category. 

 

We strongly agree with what some of you have pointed out about discrimination and prejudice. The G Spot is a group that aims to promote diversity and inclusion both on-campus and in the larger community, and we have been running many programmes to create a more inclusive and plural society. 

 

However, we regret that some of you may have misunderstood the purpose and objectives of this programme. Given the current less-than-favourable climate towards LGBTQ+ people in Singapore, this programme aims to provide a safe and affirming space for LGBTQ+ students at NUS to socialise and find out about on- and off-campus support resources that are available. In fact, this is the second year that our groups are collaborating to organise this, and the fourth year that such an orientation event has been organised! NTU and SMU also run similar programmes for their students too. 

 

Apart from this programme, The G Spot and our partner groups at the Inter-University LGBT Network organise many other programmes such as social mixers, panel discussions and campaigns to promote inclusion and diversity. 

 

We hope that this has helped to clarify any doubts or misunderstanding. If you have more suggestions or comments, you can also reach us directly at reach@the-gspot.org. We will also be at Pink Dot so come say hi to us if you will be there too! 

 

Thank you! (: 

 

 

 

 

Please tell us what are the activities that you have that is so unsafe and cannot be affirmed by straight people when you do it together with the straight people ?  Is it sex ?  Pray tell ! 

[Guest Siao]

7 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Please tell us what are the activities that you have that is so unsafe and cannot be affirmed by straight people when you do it together with the straight people ?  Is it sex ?  Pray tell ! 

Haha sounds paranoid. Can only think of sex like many haters. So many intolerant people like u around no wonder need a safe and affirming space. U just answered your own question.

[Guest Fword]

38 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Being different does not mean we cannot be equal.

Men and women are DIFFERENT, but we are supposed to treat the opposite sex equally.

 

 

Men can fxxk a woman.  Can a woman fxxk a man ?  So same ?  If woman can fxxk man, may be the G in LGBT won't be a G anymore.  Just get the woman to fxxk him !

[Guest different but samesame]

10 minutes ago, Guest Fword said:

 

Men can fxxk a woman.  Can a woman fxxk a man ?  So same ?  If woman can fxxk man, may be the G in LGBT won't be a G anymore.  Just get the woman to fxxk him !

 

Seriously, I don't know wtf you are talking about.

I already said very clearly, men and women are DIFFERENT, the former can fuck or be fucked, the latter can only be fucked front and back. BUT that does not mean we shouldn't treat each other equally AS A HUMAN.

 

As for the poster who said whites are more superior than others, thats what people generally believe in. And so what if they SEEM more superior than us, we still have equal rights as them.

[Guest different but samesame]

39 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

You are self contradictory. Different is different.  Equal is equal.

I thought that is very simple to understand.

 

 

Different in gender, race, sexual orientation, citizenship etc.

 

Equal as a human.

 

I hope this is clearer.

[Guest Guest]

51 minutes ago, TheGSpot said:

Hi there, thank you for your interest in Qrientation and the very discussion! 

 

We apologise if there has been any misunderstanding regarding this programme. It is not meant to discriminate based on sexual orientation, age or any other category. 

 

We strongly agree with what some of you have pointed out about discrimination and prejudice. The G Spot is a group that aims to promote diversity and inclusion both on-campus and in the larger community, and we have been running many programmes to create a more inclusive and plural society. 

 

However, we regret that some of you may have misunderstood the purpose and objectives of this programme. Given the current less-than-favourable climate towards LGBTQ+ people in Singapore, this programme aims to provide a safe and affirming space for LGBTQ+ students at NUS to socialise and find out about on- and off-campus support resources that are available. In fact, this is the second year that our groups are collaborating to organise this, and the fourth year that such an orientation event has been organised! NTU and SMU also run similar programmes for their students too. 

 

Apart from this programme, The G Spot and our partner groups at the Inter-University LGBT Network organise many other programmes such as social mixers, panel discussions and campaigns to promote inclusion and diversity. 

 

We hope that this has helped to clarify any doubts or misunderstanding. If you have more suggestions or comments, you can also reach us directly at reach@the-gspot.org. We will also be at Pink Dot so come say hi to us if you will be there too! 

 

Thank you! (: 

 

 

 

 

Is your club opened to Straights ?   If not, then your club is discriminatory.  LGBTQ claims their orientation is just another of the 30-40 sexual orientation and is no different.  Yes, discriminatory.

 

If yes, based on your above note, how are you going to provide a safe and affirming space ?

[Guest Guest]

29 minutes ago, Guest Siao said:

Haha sounds paranoid. Can only think of sex like many haters. So many intolerant people like u around no wonder need a safe and affirming space. U just answered your own question.

 

If this is a sex club, yes, I'm intolerant.  Should not tolerate such a club in the U.  If not, then what are the activities that needs a safe space and affirmation ?

 

People calling others haters are themselves such.  

[Guest Guest]

12 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Seriously, I don't know wtf you are talking about.

I already said very clearly, men and women are DIFFERENT, the former can fuck or be fucked, the latter can only be fucked front and back. BUT that does not mean we shouldn't treat each other equally AS A HUMAN.

 

As for the poster who said whites are more superior than others, thats what people generally believe in. And so what if they SEEM more superior than us, we still have equal rights as them.

 

If you don't understand, then what are you answering to ?

[Guest Guest]

8 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

 

Different in gender, race, sexual orientation, citizenship etc.

 

Equal as a human.

 

I hope this is clearer.

 

Then might as well said equal as protons and electrons.  You just scope it to justify your argument.

[Guest Guest]

15 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

 

Different in gender, race, sexual orientation, citizenship etc.

 

Equal as a human.

 

I hope this is clearer.

 

5 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Then might as well said equal as protons and electrons.  You just scope it to justify your argument.

 

Yes, these are tactics used to mislead people.  Man and woman are human.  When man marries the woman, the 2 person creates a relationship.  But by saying both are human, then everybody should be allowed to get married BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN AND SHOULD BE EQUAL ignoring the fact that the marriage refer to the relationship. Using such argument, he can justify anything, including incest and pedophilia. 

[Guest different but samesame]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Yes, these are tactics used to mislead people.  Man and woman are human.  When man marries the woman, the 2 person creates a relationship.  But by saying both are human, then everybody should be allowed to get married BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMAN AND SHOULD BE EQUAL ignoring the fact that the marriage refer to the relationship. Using such argument, he can justify anything, including incest and pedophilia. 

 

 

Are you saying two men or two women cannot form a loving relationship?

 

As for incest and pedophilia, it deals with this grey area known as morality, nothing to do with human rights and equality.

There is a thread here with a youtube video documenting men in Columbia engaging in intercourse with donkeys and it is considered acceptable by their society.

I have also seen videos of primitive tribes engaging in homosexual acts but is considered perfectly fine by their culture.

And if I am not wrong, some countries actually allow incestous sex between immediate family members.

To them, all these acts are justifiable by their cultures and sets of beliefs, NOT by human rights or equality.

 

So I don't understand how human rights and equality can lead to immorality such as incest or pedophilia if the majority cannot tolerate it.

[Guest Guest]

18 minutes ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

 

Are you saying two men or two women cannot form a loving relationship?

 

As for incest and pedophilia, it deals with this grey area known as morality, nothing to do with human rights and equality.

There is a thread here with a youtube video documenting men in Columbia engaging in intercourse with donkeys and it is considered acceptable by their society.

I have also seen videos of primitive tribes engaging in homosexual acts but is considered perfectly fine by their culture.

And if I am not wrong, some countries actually allow incestous sex between immediate family members.

To them, all these acts are justifiable by their cultures and sets of beliefs, NOT by human rights or equality.

 

So I don't understand how human rights and equality can lead to immorality such as incest or pedophilia if the majority cannot tolerate it.

 

2 man can form a relationship. So you must compare the 2 relationship:  man-woman vs man-man and not say because man and woman are human, therefore man-woman relationship is the same as man-man relationship.

 

You conveniently bring everything down to the lowest commonality to equate everything as the same. 

[Guest different but samesame]

6 hours ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Being different does not mean we cannot be equal.

Men and women are DIFFERENT, but we are supposed to treat the opposite sex equally.

Caucasians and Asians are DIFFERENT too, we also have to treat each other equally.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being different. Since young, I know I am different from most boys, but that does not deter me from being treated equally with respect.

 

As they say, birds of a feather flock together. You don't see pigeons flocking with sparrows. But that does not mean they cannot coexist in harmony. Similarly for gays and straights, we are different, but that should not deter us from coexisting in harmony. :-)

 

Dear Guest above, I have quoted my earlier post for you to read again. When did I ever say homosexual relationship is the same as heterosexual relationship?

 

Right from the beginning, I kept saying we are DIFFERENT, but being different should not deprive us from enjoying (basic) human equality.

 

But it is ok, I rest my case, you may carry on fighting to stop the Qrientation.

[Guest Guest]

1 minute ago, Guest different but samesame said:

 

Dear Guest above, I have quoted my earlier post for you to read again. When did I ever say homosexual relationship is the same as heterosexual relationship?

 

Right from the beginning, I kept saying we are DIFFERENT, but being different should not deprive us from enjoying (basic) human equality.

 

But it is ok, I rest my case, you may carry on fighting to stop the Qrientation.

 

you are still confused.  Where is the part where "deprived from enjoying (basic) human equality".  You are very confused because you cannot tell the difference between the relationship built on top of humans from the human itself. 

Of course you have to rest your case, you have none.

[Guest Guest]

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Qrientation@NUS 2016 is happening on 18 June 2016, 9am-6.30pm. The venue will be disclosed privately in a confirmation email to registered participants. 

 

What kind of organisation is this ?  Why cannot state the venue ?  When the straight students read this, what would they think ?  What activities you doing that people cannot know ?  

[koganei83]

On 5/31/2016 at 4:40 PM, TheGSpot said:

Hi there, thank you for your interest in Qrientation and the very discussion! 

 

We apologise if there has been any misunderstanding regarding this programme. It is not meant to discriminate based on sexual orientation, age or any other category. 

 

We strongly agree with what some of you have pointed out about discrimination and prejudice. The G Spot is a group that aims to promote diversity and inclusion both on-campus and in the larger community, and we have been running many programmes to create a more inclusive and plural society. 

 

However, we regret that some of you may have misunderstood the purpose and objectives of this programme. Given the current less-than-favourable climate towards LGBTQ+ people in Singapore, this programme aims to provide a safe and affirming space for LGBTQ+ students at NUS to socialise and find out about on- and off-campus support resources that are available. In fact, this is the second year that our groups are collaborating to organise this, and the fourth year that such an orientation event has been organised! NTU and SMU also run similar programmes for their students too. 

 

Apart from this programme, The G Spot and our partner groups at the Inter-University LGBT Network organise many other programmes such as social mixers, panel discussions and campaigns to promote inclusion and diversity. 

 

We hope that this has helped to clarify any doubts or misunderstanding. If you have more suggestions or comments, you can also reach us directly at reach@the-gspot.org. We will also be at Pink Dot so come say hi to us if you will be there too! 

 

Thank you! (: 

 

 

 

 

while i support the idea of giving LGBT+++++++ students a place for them to meet like-minded people and what's not, I reject the idea of providing a safe space. safe space diminish any sort of movement and prevent freedom of speech. While safe space 'helps' to give the illusion that opposing comments can be 'rejected', it does not happen in the real world. doing so only projects a falsify sense of world for our young generation which is stupid and ridiculous. either you come out and face the world (yes, people can and have the right to feel uncomfortable if you are different from them) and shove ur middle finger to the world or you just hide in your closet (which is no different from a safe space).

 

safe space are the bane of society and whoever thought of them really deserves to be shut inside forever.  

[SuperSentai]

7 hours ago, koganei83 said:

 

while i support the idea of giving LGBT+++++++ students a place for them to meet like-minded people and what's not, I reject the idea of providing a safe space. safe space diminish any sort of movement and prevent freedom of speech. While safe space 'helps' to give the illusion that opposing comments can be 'rejected', it does not happen in the real world. doing so only projects a falsify sense of world for our young generation which is stupid and ridiculous. either you come out and face the world (yes, people can and have the right to feel uncomfortable if you are different from them) and shove ur middle finger to the world or you just hide in your closet (which is no different from a safe space).

 

safe space are the bane of society and whoever thought of them really deserves to be shut inside forever.  

In a totally non-homophobic society (which currently still does not exist on Earth), you are right. In a homophobic society like SG, the safety of LGBTQ+ people comes first. Holding any such events in a "non-safe" environment = no LGBTQ+ people will join the event.

 

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

What kind of organisation is this ?  Why cannot state the venue ?  When the straight students read this, what would they think ?  What activities you doing that people cannot know ?  

To prevent prying eyes of judgemental non-LGBTQ+ (and non-participating LGBTQ+) people, as it is always done for all other events meant for mingling of LGBTQ+ people by all other LGBTQ+ organisations like Oogachaga and SGRainbow.

Edited June 1, 2016 by SuperSentai

[Guest Guest]

7 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

In a totally non-homophobic society (which currently still does not exist on Earth), you are right. In a homophobic society like SG, the safety of LGBTQ+ people comes first. Holding any such events in a "non-safe" environment = no LGBTQ+ people will join the event.

 

To prevent prying eyes of judgemental non-LGBTQ+ (and non-participating LGBTQ+) people, as it is always done for all other events meant for mingling of LGBTQ+ people by all other LGBTQ+ organisations like Oogachaga and SGRainbow.

But you and the organisers are contradicting yourselves !  The event invitation says "All incoming/existing NUS Students are welcome!".  "All" would include your "judgemental non-LGBTQ+" students.  Yet the organiser cannot name it's venue.  The issue lies more on the content of the club rather than who is coming.

Are you all going to a place to do things that "cannot see light" ?  Police better monitor this club closely !

On 5/29/2016 at 10:57 PM, TheGSpot said:

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 31 May 2016 at 4:46 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

The problems here is that LGBT claim their relationship is the same as straight.  How can a barren relationship be the same as a fertile one ?  I would support a civil union but not marriage for this reason.

 

So all heterosexuals couples who can't or decide not to bear children should also go into civil union instead

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

So all heterosexuals couples who can't or decide not to bear children should also go into civil union instead

 

When Michael Jackson bleached himself white, he was still a black person.  He didn't turn white because his skin colour turn white.  A heterosexual couples adopting a child can provide the love as a father and a mother.  Homosexuals cannot.  The relationship is not the same.  Now if a heterosexual couple decides they don't want any children at all, then I think a marriage or a civil union does not make any difference to them.  I don't know how it will turn out in the law when more debates arise on this.  And yes, if the heterosexual couple does declare that they don't want to have children, adopt or whatsoever (there could be other considerations which I've not though about but matters), then yes, I would think potentially they can be classified under civil union.  If they go through a normal marriage but as time passes, they cannot have children, I don't think it's fair to reclassify them as their relationship intrinsically is still a fertile one (like Michael Jackson's analogy).  They can still adopt and provide the love of a father and a mother.  If they are old and have given up, then I would respect them for trying and respect their the status of a marriage.

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

But you and the organisers are contradicting yourselves !  The event invitation says "All incoming/existing NUS Students are welcome!".  "All" would include your "judgemental non-LGBTQ+" students.  Yet the organiser cannot name it's venue.  The issue lies more on the content of the club rather than who is coming.

Are you all going to a place to do things that "cannot see light" ?  Police better monitor this club closely !

 

 

 

What is the name of this organiser ?  "The G Spot" !   Why would an organisation that caters to LGBTQ+ to keep them safe call themselves "The G Spot" ? And have to conduct their "G Spot" activities in place that they cannot disclose to the public !

[SuperSentai]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

But you and the organisers are contradicting yourselves !  The event invitation says "All incoming/existing NUS Students are welcome!".  "All" would include your "judgemental non-LGBTQ+" students.  Yet the organiser cannot name it's venue.  The issue lies more on the content of the club rather than who is coming.

Are you all going to a place to do things that "cannot see light" ?  Police better monitor this club closely !

 

 

It has always been the case for private events catering to LGBTQ+ participants to disclose the venue only to participants to protect their identity. Obviously students who join the event, regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+. And you, being the judgemental, discriminating and kaypoh one, would obviously not want to join the event, but would want to know who is going and most possibly LGBTQ+ so you can discriminate them. Just be honest and say so lah, beat around such a huge bush ... Gosh!

 

 

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 And yes, if the heterosexual couple does declare that they don't want to have children, adopt or whatsoever (there could be other considerations which I've not though about but matters), then yes, I would think potentially they can be classified under civil union.

You can tell that to my cousin, who got married but decided right from the start that they do not want children despite protests from their parents. You can also go Hong Lim Park and protest that such couples should not be entitled to get married, and not just be a keyboard warrior. Go on!

 

 

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

What is the name of this organiser ?  "The G Spot" !   Why would an organisation that caters to LGBTQ+ to keep them safe call themselves "The G Spot" ? And have to conduct their "G Spot" activities in place that they cannot disclose to the public !

Open your eyes and read the signature of the thread starter:

" We are concerned with issues intersecting gender, gender identity, sexuality, sexual orientation, asexuality, race, class, and disability - hence the G "Spot", literally a point of intersection, and one deeply connected with the body."

Edited June 2, 2016 by SuperSentai

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

It has always been the case for private events catering to LGBTQ+ participants to disclose the venue only to participants to protect their identity. Obviously students who join the event, regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+. And you, being the judgemental, discriminating and kaypoh one, would obviously not want to join the event, but would want to know who is going and most possibly LGBTQ+ so you can discriminate them. Just be honest and say so lah, beat around such a huge bush ... Gosh!

 

 

You are making sweeping statements.  The point is not who will join and who would not - that's not my point.  The event invitation says "All incoming/existing NUS Students are welcome!".  "All" would include your "judgemental non-LGBTQ+" students (despite what you said about "obviously")..  Yet the organiser cannot name it's venue.  The issue lies more on the content of the club rather than who is coming.

 

 

2 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

You can tell that to my cousin, who got married but decided right from the start that they do not want children despite protests from their parents. You can also go Hong Lim Park and protest that such couples should not be entitled to get married, and not just be a keyboard warrior. Go on!

 

A marriage and a civil union does not make a difference to your cousin.  Even if in the future, the law is really change to a civil union for your cousin, it's up to her to select a civil union or a marriage cause she is the one that decides whether she wants children.  For gays, you have no choice to have or not have children.  Your relationship and your cousin's relationship are intrinsically different.

 

2 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

Open your eyes and read the signature of the thread starter:

" We are concerned with issues intersecting gender, gender identity, sexuality, sexual orientation, asexuality, race, class, and disability - hence the G "Spot", literally a point of intersection, and one deeply connected with the body."

 

Do you know what is a G Spot ?  Guess you don't know.  Go find out.

G Spot is NOT an point of intersection. I seriously don't think that all those things quoted would intersect at the G Spot !    

[SuperSentai]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

You are making sweeping statements.  The point is not who will join and who would not - that's not my point.  The event invitation says "All incoming/existing NUS Students are welcome!".  "All" would include your "judgemental non-LGBTQ+" students (despite what you said about "obviously")..  Yet the organiser cannot name it's venue.  The issue lies more on the content of the club rather than who is coming.

Read my English again. People who join any LGBTQ+ event (like Pink Dot), regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+. The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to, that's all. And I say again, ALL private by-register only LBGTQ+ events (even organised by  Oogachaga and SGRainbow etc) only disclose the venue to participants, it's nothing new.

 

 

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Do you know what is a G Spot ?  Guess you don't know.  Go find out.

G Spot is NOT an point of intersection. I seriously don't think that all those things quoted would intersect at the G Spot !    

Go read up on figure of speech. It's just like the Singapore flag, red symbolizes "universal brotherhood and equality of man"; white symbolizes "pervading and everlasting purity and virtue"; the crescent moon represents "a young nation on the ascendant"; the five stars stand for democracy, peace, progress, justice and equality. Similarly, G Spot is a point of intersection, and one deeply connected with the body, used as a figure of speech.

 

I can't believe I'm teaching English in this thread ... go back to school, "Guest"!

Edited June 2, 2016 by SuperSentai

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, SuperSentai said:

Read my English again. People who join any LGBTQ+ event (like Pink Dot), regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+. The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to, that's all. And I say again, ALL private by-register only LBGTQ+ events (even organised by  Oogachaga and SGRainbow etc) only disclose the venue to participants, it's nothing new.

 

I won't ask you to but I seriously don't think you can substantiate this statement at all => The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to !

Nothing new does not mean it's correct.  You are using precedence to argue your case but precedence does not prove your case.

[SuperSentai]

Just now, Guest Guest said:

 

I won't ask you to but I seriously don't think you can substantiate this statement at all => The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to !

Nothing new does not mean it's correct.  You are using precedence to argue your case but precedence does not prove your case.

I can substantiate. For one, when you sign up, the organiser won't know if you are judgemental, or if you are LGBTQ+ or not, and will allow your sign up.

 

Nothing new does not mean it's correct? Why are you kicking up a fuss only now, then? There was a beach outing by SGRainbow just last week, with venue only disclosed to participants, but I don't see you kicking up a fuss there?

 

And I've said before, disclosing venue only to participants is to protect the identity of the participants from prying eyes of kaypoh non-participants like you.

 

This is seriously getting out of topic ... moderators, please step in.

[Guest Guest]

Just now, SuperSentai said:

I can substantiate. For one, when you sign up, the organiser won't know if you are judgemental, or if you are LGBTQ+ or not, and will allow your sign up.

 

Nothing new does not mean it's correct? Why are you kicking up a fuss only now, then? There was a beach outing by SGRainbow just last week, with venue only disclosed to participants, but I don't see you kicking up a fuss there?

 

And I've said before, disclosing venue only to participants is to protect the identity of the participants from prying eyes of kaypoh non-participants like you.

 

This is seriously getting out of topic ... moderators, please step in.

But you say judgemental people won't signup.  Now you say they signup ? What you talking ?  

Why I'm kicking up a fuss now ?  So last time didn't, now cannot lah ?  Your logic very funny.  Just like because it happened before, so it's right... 

Protect the identity ?  All students can sign up according to the invitation, so how to protect ?  

All your logic mess up and now asking moderators for help !  Help help !

On 5/29/2016 at 10:57 PM, TheGSpot said:

 

 

[SuperSentai]

1 minute ago, Guest Guest said:

But you say judgemental people won't signup.  Now you say they signup ? What you talking ?  

Why I'm kicking up a fuss now ?  So last time didn't, now cannot lah ?  Your logic very funny.  Just like because it happened before, so it's right... 

Protect the identity ?  All students can sign up according to the invitation, so how to protect ?  

All your logic mess up and now asking moderators for help !  Help help !

Eh, read up on the difference between "can" and "won't", will you?

 

1)

I said:

Obviously students who join the event, regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+ (normally). And you, being the judgemental, discriminating and kaypoh one, (can join but) would obviously not want to join the event

 

equals to

 

The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to

 

equals to

 

When you sign up, the organiser won't know if you are judgemental, or if you are LGBTQ+ or not, and will allow your sign up (for those with wicked minds like you)

 

2)

Analogy: abused wives are holding a meet-up session with one anoher, and the venue is only disclosed to these participating wives to protect them from their abusing husbands from prying at the meet-up venue.

 

3) It's the forum rule to not get out of topic of the thread. BTW, moderators can track your IP address.

 

Think before your next reply, please.

[Guest Guest]

3 minutes ago, SuperSentai said:

Eh, read up on the difference between "can" and "won't", will you?

 

1)

I said:

Obviously students who join the event, regardless of their sexual orientation, will be non-judgemental and non-discriminating against LGBTQ+ (normally). And you, being the judgemental, discriminating and kaypoh one, (can join but) would obviously not want to join the event

 

equals to

 

The "judgemental people" are allowed to sign up and join, but they choose not to

 

equals to

 

When you sign up, the organiser won't know if you are judgemental, or if you are LGBTQ+ or not, and will allow your sign up (for those with wicked minds like you)

 

2)

Analogy: abused wives are holding a meet-up session with one anoher, and the venue is only disclosed to these participating wives to protect them from their abusing husbands from prying at the meet-up venue.

 

3) It's the forum rule to not get out of topic of the thread. BTW, moderators can track your IP address.

 

Think before your next reply, please.

 

I thought you wanted the moderator to step in ?  Why you still reply to this discussion which you said is "out of topic".  Really confused and contradictory guy !!!

[Guest Guest]

10 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

Go read up on figure of speech. It's just like the Singapore flag, red symbolizes "universal brotherhood and equality of man"; white symbolizes "pervading and everlasting purity and virtue"; the crescent moon represents "a young nation on the ascendant"; the five stars stand for democracy, peace, progress, justice and equality. Similarly, G Spot is a point of intersection, and one deeply connected with the body, used as a figure of speech.

 

I can't believe I'm teaching English in this thread ... go back to school, "Guest"!

 

You first understand what is a G Spot.  It is not even close to an intersection for you to figuratively use it to that effect.  Using G Spot to bring LGBT together only makes people think this is a sex club, not a melting pot as you claim.  And worse, because G Spot is related to female private part, it is hardly representative of a diverse organisation to accommodate all types.  

[Guest Guest]

10 hours ago, SuperSentai said:

Analogy: abused wives are holding a meet-up session with one anoher, and the venue is only disclosed to these participating wives to protect them from their abusing husbands from prying at the meet-up venue.

 

Unlike this club, abuse wives don't put invitations online to invite ALL to attend !