Seemed vague! NKF CEO ganna sack due to indiscretion w male ........

[Guest gues]

It could be :

 

Male staff : Sir I want to apply urgent leave

 

Boos : LC, so busy, u still want to apply leave..LP, don't come back again if u take leave

 

the above is also : personal indiscretion - lack of good judgement

[Guest guest]

It could be :

 

Male staff : Sir I want to apply urgent leave

 

Boss : LC  ; ( BLUE BIRD), so busy, u still want to apply leave..LP ( BLUE DADDY)  don't come back again if u take leave

 

Male Staff : I will report Police cos u use Blue Bird and Blue Daddy language.

 

the above is also : personal indiscretion - lack of good judgement

[Guest trrr]

49 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

Simple Definition of indiscretion. : lack of good judgment or care in behavior and especially in speech : lack of discretion. : an act or remark that shows a lack of good judgment : an indiscreet act or remark.

 

IT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO SEX .....DONT SPECULATED

 

 

Already confirmed by SPH reporters - SEX RELATED.

[Guest Joseph]

I think we should be understanding towards him especially if he has had been hiding in the closet for so long. The public is just going to view us a SEX hungry predators... but I am so I don't care. But I feel sad for him... on the bright side, he is out and has the money to look for love on the right side.

 

Forgive me if I have offended anyone here.

[Guest tuest]

59 minutes ago, Guest trrr said:

 

Already confirmed by SPH reporters - SEX RELATED.

 

 

who is sph.....tabloid ...full of shiits and unconfirm info

[Guest Judgement]

1 hour ago, Guest guest said:

Simple Definition of indiscretion. : lack of good judgment or care in behavior and especially in speech : lack of discretion. : an act or remark that shows a lack of good judgment : an indiscreet act or remark.

 

IT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO SEX .....DONT SPECULATED

 

Could it be something he said, like: "Boy, are you interested to give me a blow job? " 

 

[leo yok loo]

13 minutes ago, Guest tuest said:

 

 

who is sph.....tabloid ...full of shiits and unconfirm info

SPH:singapore press holding...it means the news paper.

[bigdanbeam]

52 minutes ago, Guest Joseph said:

I think we should be understanding towards him especially if he has had been hiding in the closet for so long. The public is just going to view us a SEX hungry predators... but I am so I don't care. But I feel sad for him... on the bright side, he is out and has the money to look for love on the right side.

 

Forgive me if I have offended anyone here.

 

Yeah, early retirement and finally FREE

[Guest Joseph]

Yes! Big Dan! Finally can love/f**k the men he likes!

[Guest Guest]

What exactly happened? The ceo molest the male staff?

[Guest Pathetic]

He has a typical hardup PLU look.

[Guest Guest]

22 minutes ago, Guest Pathetic said:

He has a typical hardup PLU look.

PLU look? He is married with 2 kids!

[Guest 护家盟 VS 桂纶镁]

He is actually quite flamboyant. Surprised he is married. According to christian logic: gay and lesbian couples will mess up their children's gender identity. I think a closeted gay man as flamboyant as he is has the potential to mess up his child's gender identity EVEN more! 

 

Score 

Me: 1

CHEESEteans: 0

[Guest Guest]

2 minutes ago, Guest 护家盟 VS 桂纶镁 said:

He is actually quite flamboyant. Surprised he is married. According to christian logic: gay and lesbian couples will mess up their children's gender identity. I think a closeted gay man as flamboyant as he is has the potential to mess up his child's gender identity EVEN more! 

 

Score 

Me: 1

CHEESEteans: 0

Flamboyant in what way?

[Guest Typical queen]

6 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Flamboyant in what way?

Mannerism, dressing. 

[Guest Another guest]

5 hours ago, Guest guest said:

Simple Definition of indiscretion. : lack of good judgment or care in behavior and especially in speech : lack of discretion. : an act or remark that shows a lack of good judgment : an indiscreet act or remark.

 

IT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO SEX .....DONT SPECULATED

My guess that it is sexual or romantic in nature, hence the vagueness of the information by NKF as they feel it is embarrassing.

 

I also think it is one-sided and was considered as harrassment, otherwise it would not have been reported by the victim. I think it has nothing to do with anti-gay agenda. Most employees who are harrassed, whether gay or straight, would report it, I would imagine?

[Guest Guest]

But flamboyant does not necessarily equal to gay right? Or am I wrong? 

[Guest just wondering]

6 hours ago, Guest gues said:

It could be :

 

Male staff : Sir I want to apply urgent leave

 

Boos : LC, so busy, u still want to apply leave..LP, don't come back again if u take leave

 

the above is also : personal indiscretion - lack of good judgement

 

6 hours ago, Guest gues said:

It could be :

 

Male staff : Sir I want to apply urgent leave

 

Boos : LC, so busy, u still want to apply leave..LP, don't come back again if u take leave

 

the above is also : personal indiscretion - lack of good judgement

 

I thought yesterday the news , one of it , mentioned something it was sexual , therefore a police report was warranted and they want to leave it to the police to handle it . or watch the full two videos posted .

 

[gz69]

I boycott NKF since the Durai scandal.

 

NKF board should have asked for his resignation.  Let the Police investigate first.  Months later, the ex-CEO may appear in Court but that is for the Police and AGC to decide.  Not every case is prosecuted. This affair is tragic..NKF board has made it public without a proper Police investigation.

 

When the NUS law professor was found guilty and jailed and served his jail sentence, a higher Court ruled he was not guilty.  To presume Guilt can be premature.  It can be consensual. Even if the sex act was done on company premises, it is best to let the Police investigate and to establish the facts.  They have the means to conscript all electronic media archives and to interrogate and cross-check. 

 

I feel sorry for him...utter humiliation, loss of job, family exposed to humiliation.  Hope he does not commit suicide.

 

In fact, I boycott all charities in Singapore. 

[Guest just wondering]

I hope also it was not also this kind of work place incident.

 

  

 

                  

 

Sad to have been sacked , it must be a really serious kind of breach of standards to warrant such a serious consequences.

[Guest Oh dear]

Word. Singapore is slowly inching closer and closer to become a cheesetean-moslem state. Just nice that trump had just become president!

[bluerunner]

Will wait for detail before commenting more. 

[CamperBoy]

14 hours ago, gz69 said:

I boycott NKF since the Durai scandal.

 

NKF board should have asked for his resignation.  Let the Police investigate first.  Months later, the ex-CEO may appear in Court but that is for the Police and AGC to decide.  Not every case is prosecuted. This affair is tragic..NKF board has made it public without a proper Police investigation.

 

When the NUS law professor was found guilty and jailed and served his jail sentence, a higher Court ruled he was not guilty.  To presume Guilt can be premature.  It can be consensual. Even if the sex act was done on company premises, it is best to let the Police investigate and to establish the facts.  They have the means to conscript all electronic media archives and to interrogate and cross-check. 

 

I feel sorry for him...utter humiliation, loss of job, family exposed to humiliation.  Hope he does not commit suicide.

 

In fact, I boycott all charities in Singapore. 

 

Erm, he already admitted guilt...twice. 

 

One to his chairman. And the other during the internal disciplinary hearing. 

 

And it's better for the board to report the incident to the police instead of the younger employee. 

[Guest blog]

Apparently, he has not learned to tone down.   There were two pics of him after the sacking leaving his terrace house and getting into his car.  HIs casual wear was clearly an outward sign of he's gay to his core.  What man of his age would dress like that?

[Guest Big deal]

5 minutes ago, Guest blog said:

Apparently, he has not learned to tone down.   There were two pics of him after the sacking leaving his terrace house and getting into his car.  HIs casual wear was clearly an outward sign of he's gay to his core.  What man of his age would dress like that?

Maybe his wife dressed him in that manner? She likes a gay husband. His children adore the fashionista side of him. They are embracing him for who he is?

[bigdanbeam]

Why need to tone down? Like I mentioned earlier, it's liberation time

[Guest MANGOES]

42 minutes ago, Guest Big deal said:

Maybe his wife dressed him in that manner? She likes a gay husband. His children adore the fashionista side of him. They are embracing him for who he is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest LIM PEH]

koolaid wrote:

ok limpeh is neither a fan nor a lgbt supporter... but i think people should leave his sexual orientation (if the info from the press is true) aside for this once. ive heard good things/policies on the changes he put in place after he took over as ceo nkf.
just thought that it would only be fair that he give his side of what led to his dimissal. at least the public is crystal clear on his dismissal.

just felt that we need to be more impartial esp to those who have really contributed and done something good for society. but for those jiak liao bee ministirs, those should be fired immediately if their performance isnt up to mark. knn...

Agree. Aside from his sexual orientation, the fact is that he has done good for the kidney patients and I respect him for that.

 

He's alot better than those jia liao bee ministers drawing such high pay but what have they produced

[Guest LIM PEH]

 

 

[Guest guwat]

NKF CEO revealed to be gay, fired for having marital affairs with male staff

By admin - November 16, 2016 20999 0




The 3-member executive committee of of National Kidney Foundation (NKF) revealed in the press conference that the NKF CEO Edmund Kwok was fired because he had a gay affair with a male NKF staff.

According to NKF chairman Koh Poh Tiong, the NKF has reported to the police but did not explain which alleged offense did the CEO commit as a homosexual relationship is not criminalised.

The extra-marital affairs first came to light when the male NKF staff made a complaint to his supervisor who alerted the human resource department. It is unknown if the CEO has harassed the male NKF which warranted a need for police report.

“The facts were presented to our lawyers, who advised us that it’s a reportable offence.

 

And we have a duty to all our stakeholders and staff to do the right thing. Regardless of how we feel, whether we’re sorry for him – that is not relevant.

 

What is relevant is that the public must know that as a board we take our job seriously – and that is to ensure NKF as an organisation continues to be able to do the right thing; that our integrity is not compromised and our operations are not compromised.”

The NKF chairman appears very worried about the case affecting donations and made multiple pleads through the media to “help” NKF:

“I feel extremely sad, because Edmund is a very good CEO, one of the best … I believe NKF is progressing. Then this happened. This is one man’s personal indiscretion. It must not affect the whole organisation and I’m talking to you as Singaporeans; as friends. Please help us … don’t let this one case destroy us.”






Justin Judith

Whether their marital affairs are with same sex or opposite sex these people should be removed because they used their positions of authority granted them to receive such. I am sure there are many out there (straight/homo) even in the public service who are more discreet, and their 'partners/subordinates' are keeping quiet, hoping to keep their jobs and look forward to more promotions for their loyalty (at the expense of our tax paying public money). This guy however, probably wanted to split so the other guy spilled the beans.

[Guest guest]

Re: Edmund Kwok NKF Had Multiple Sex Partners with his Male and Female Nurses in NKF

Former National Kidney Foundation (NKF) chief executive officer Edmund Kwok (above) was spotted for the first time yesterday as more details emerged about what led to his sudden sacking. At 1.25pm yesterday, he emerged from his home.

Ensconced in his car, he was expressionless as he passed journalists and curious neighbours in front of his house in Hougang.ST PHOTO: DON CHI




Mr Kwok (above), who was sacked as NKF CEO on Monday, was spotted yesterday afternoon leaving his terraced house alone in a car. ST PHOTO: DON CHi



Ex-NKF chief Edmund Kwok's case 'an abuse of power'


Sources also reveal colleague involved felt he couldn't say no, and it was first time such an encounter had occurred



The incident which led to the sacking of former National Kidney Foundation (NKF) chief executive officer Edmund Kwok was an abuse of power, a source close to the case has said.

An act of a sexual nature allegedly took place on Nov 7.

Mr Kwok, 58, approached a colleague in his early 20s, separate sources told The Straits Times.


It was the first time such an encounter had happened between both men, sources said.

It took the employee one day to inform his supervisor in NKF.

The colleague later told his supervisor that he felt he could not say no to Mr Kwok, and that he felt powerless to stop the act, said two well-placed sources. "It was a clear abuse of power," said one of them.

The younger man involved in the incident also said he did not want to escalate the matter, such as by making a police report, according to sources. He is still working for the NKF, which decided to lodge a police report.

It did so after questioning Mr Kwok. The NKF, during a press conference on Wednesday, said Mr Kwok had admitted, on two separate occasions, that the alleged incident took place.

The first was last Friday, when he was questioned by NKF chairman Koh Poh Tiong. During a disciplinary hearing on Sunday, he again said that it happened.

The organisation's lawyers advised Mr Koh that what took place was a "reportable offence".

On Monday, Mr Kwok was sacked by the NKF for the "personal indiscretion". On Tuesday, the charity made a police report.



Mrs Eunice Tay (above) has been asked to assume Mr Edmund Kwok's duties until a new leader is found for NKF. PHOTO: BERITA HARIAN



Police investigations would have kicked in, based on the report made by the NKF, said criminal lawyer Amolat Singh .

The next step is to get a statement from the alleged victim.

The Straits Times understands from various sources that the employee who complained has yet to give a police statement.

Another criminal lawyer, Mr Shashi Nathan, said that the police would need to gather sufficient information at this stage to determine if a crime has been committed, including taking statements from the accused and other witnesses.

This will allow the authorities to determine what to charge the accused with and if the person can be arrested.

Said Mr Singh: "But if the victim is ultimately unwilling to provide his statement or testify in court, then there would be no case."

Sexual harassment victims may feel uncomfortable about speaking up, said Ms Jennifer Heng, communications director of HCSA Community Services.

"Sometimes when victims have to report the matter to a higher authority, they would be revisiting the details of their experience and this could be difficult emotionally and psychologically."

She added that some may fear the possibility of their identities, and those of their family members and friends, being exposed and open to public scrutiny.

"Also, depending on the age and the profile of the victim, the experience of speaking up to people whom they don't know personally, such as the police, can be a trauma in itself," she said.

Mr Kwok is married with two children who are in their mid-20s.

The Straits Times understands that his family have "forgiven him".

[Guest zionserrangoon]

The church web page said that ek is one of Ruling elders.

Never heard of Ruling Elders . What they do ?


http://www.zionserangoon.org.sg/about-us/our-leaders/

[Guest dude]

1 hour ago, Guest blog said:

Apparently, he has not learned to tone down.   There were two pics of him after the sacking leaving his terrace house and getting into his car.  HIs casual wear was clearly an outward sign of he's gay to his core.  What man of his age would dress like that?

 

What pics, how come I never get to see it , is it in the chinese papers, can some one re load the fotos here.

I want to see how flamboyant is flamboyant,

cannot be more flomboyant than our national icon Dick Lee right?

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/fashion/dick-lee-on-turning-60-and-ageing-gracefully

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dick Lee sings in Cantonese covering a Jacky Cheung song, wonderful isn't he , stepping out of his comfort zone. Thank you Dick Lee for doing your part to raise money for charity.

 

 

Happy sixty years old Dick Lee.

[Guest zionserrangoon]

Timeline of events



Nov 7


A male employee makes a complaint to his immediate supervisor against CEO Edmund Kwok.

Nov 8

A higher-level supervisor and the human resources department are alerted.

Nov 9

NKF chairman Koh Poh Tiong is informed.

Nov 9-11

NKF's lawyers are consulted and provide legal advice.

Nov 11

An emergency board meeting is called and the board agrees that the offence is serious enough to warrant Mr Kwok's sacking.

When Mr Koh speaks to Mr Kwok that night, he admits to the accusation.

Nov 13

An inquiry and disciplinary committee, comprising board members Bennett Neo and Johnny Heng, and chaired by board member William Wan, is formed.

At a hearing, Mr Kwok admits to the indiscretion. The committee recommends that Mr Kwok's services be terminated and the board agrees.

Nov 14

Mr Kwok is told about his sacking.

Nov 15

A police report is made.

[Guest news]

NKF Scandals like SMRT Trains Break Down = NON-STOP!

[Guest what is deacon ?]

13 minutes ago, Guest zionserrangoon said:

The church web page said that ek is one of Ruling elders.

Never heard of Ruling Elders . What they do ?


http://www.zionserangoon.org.sg/about-us/our-leaders/

 

 

http://www.zionserangoon.org.sg/?staff=dn-goh-shu-jin

 

 

Goh Shu Jin

 

Categories: DEACONS

Dn Shu Jin has been a member of Zion since 1996.

Ministries:
Song Leader
Toddlers (HLOC) Co-ordinator
Children’s Worship Speaker
HR Committee Member

 

 

any  BWers from this church ? I wanna join this church...can Deacon married ? they are known as waiting man ?

 

In many traditions the "diaconate" (or deaconate), the term for a deacon's office, is a clerical office; in others it is for laity. The word "deacon" is derived from the Greek word diákonos (διάκονος), which is a standard ancient Greek word meaning "servant", "waiting-man", "minister", or "messenger

[Guest latest]

The ST reported that the victim is a colleague in his early 20s. When he was approached, he said he felt he could not say no to Mr Kwok.

If he doesn't want, he can shout and scream or kick his groin or tell him that he will call the police.

Why after doing it, then he report the incidence to the supervisor ?

[Guest guest]

Originally Posted by Wunderfool

It is tough on EK already. He admitted to his offence and is prepared to face the consequences. He got the sack. But his fall from grace is not just from the NKF, it is also from his church. He has been with the church for 41 years. He was ordained an elder in May 2016. It is a difficult time for him and his family. Even if he is forgiven, it is still difficult for the family and church to cope with the repercussion.

If the victim has sympathy on EK, he may choose not to press charges.

Agreed. Lets move on . Why victim came out only last week ??? something fishy.

Ek financial $$ damages huge

[Guest guest]

Wow his salary 450K- 500K , gone in the wind...just for one idiot !!!!!

 

why are our charity paying people so high when money is from DONORS ??????

 

 

[Guest guest]

Now I do not sympathise him after seeing his salary  $450-400K.

 

How many here can make such salaries ?

[Guest guest]

5 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

Wow his salary 450K- 500K , gone in the wind...just for one idiot !!!!!

 

why are our charity paying people so high when money is from DONORS ??????

 

 

 

 

Cost more than to go cruise club or keybox ...can even start his own bathhouse.....WTF

[Guest guest]

7 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

Now I do not sympathise him after seeing his salary  $450-400K.

 

How many here can make such salaries ?javascript:void('24')

 

 

That's revealing ....That's why dialysis costs are so high !!! just to pay a person $450-500 K

as salary.

Blooddy blood suckers

 

In Singapore, dialysis centres are run either by for-profit private companies, where it costs $2,500 to more than $4,000 a month

[lovehandle]

no1 will terminate a CEO or a superior just cos he is poor at discretion for such matters like what some of u quoted(about the leaves)

and no professional will speak like a mother : don't ever come back here if u dare to take leave

if such things happened, the person need trgsand counselling

not sacking! if everything is about sacking, it will be endless


They r trying to put it not so upfront by saying a Pers indiscretion w a male staff and it is rather obvious

which is why I mentioned "vaguely" and I posted this in bW, and not aquarium forums, etc cos BW is alwys concern with toilet photo-taking lah, kids being sodomised by ...

 

and the English dept even hinted for the benefit of their patients etc , hence nkf MUST do this.....male patients could be handsome and attractive too, even if they are not, they felt uncomfy w such a CEO around mah

male patients will not have to deal their leaves and office matters w the CEO, but the CEO is very friendly w the patients (the article reported clearly), u shd know what it meant

 

hence I m amused by how some of u tried to speculate in the wrong direction, by asking us nt to misunderstood or speculate: and pls leave the income alone ie a totally diff matter

 

 

It could be :

Male staff : Sir I want to apply urgent leave

Boss : LC  ; ( BLUE BIRD), so busy, u still want to apply leave..LP ( BLUE DADDY)  don't come back again if u take leave

Male Staff : I will report Police cos u use Blue Bird and Blue Daddy language.

the above is also : personal indiscretion - lack of good judgement

 

 

We need value-adding comments pls, not comments that are supposed to guide us (the readers) yet u r speculating some wrong egs

2 hours ago, Guest LIM PEH said:

 

 

 

[Guest XMRB]

 

 

知情者爆料：男职员被郭建康侵犯 不敢吭声不愿报警

2016年11月18日 星期五 03:53 PM文/萧佳慧, 吴睿明, 陈玉能, 任其来自/新加坡新加坡›新明日报

 

 

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已婚NKF执行理事长郭建康遭解雇，被指性骚扰20来岁男职员，知情者爆料，郭建康行径涉及“滥权”，指男职员被侵犯但碍于阶级不敢吭声，更不愿报警闹大事情！

《新明日报》连日报道，全国肾脏基金会（NKF）周一以行为不检为由，撤除郭建康（58岁）执行理事长一职，据《新明日报》探知，已婚的他被指性骚扰一名华族男职员，行为相信涉及肢体碰触敏感部位，NKF事后向警方报案。

 

知情者向《海峡时报》爆料，事件发生在11月7日，20多岁的男职员隔天才向主管揭露。

 

该职员告诉主管，碍于对方身份，他不敢拒绝郭建康的要求，并且无力阻止对方的行径。有知情者就表示，郭建康的行为明显涉及滥用职权。

 

据了解，目前仍在NKF上班的男职员不想将事情闹大，因此不愿报警，但NKF已在15日（星期二）向警方报案。

 

据报道，NKF主席许宝忠在16日晚召开的临时记者会上曾指出，郭建康两次承认涉及行为失检。

 

郭建康上周五被许宝忠问话时，承认行为失检，13日董事会成立三人调查与纪律委员会并举行听证会，他再次承认行为失检。

 

据悉，男职员尚未到警局录口供。

 

警方受询时表示，案件仍在调查中。　

 

律师：若涉触碰敏感部位 可构成非礼罪

 

受访律师指出，骚扰行为若涉触碰敏感部位，可构成非礼罪，严重的话会遭到提控。

 

资深律师朱时生受访时指出，性骚扰的涵盖范围很广，即使是言语或动作，都可能构成性骚扰，无论是在男女之间或同性之间。

 

陈其玉律师则指出，如果骚扰行为涉及肢体接触，尤其是私处和臀部等敏感部位，就可能构成非礼罪。

 

但他也指出，有些时候即使触碰到的不是敏感部位，但同时涉及纠缠等行为，也仍然可构成非礼罪。

 

蓝国庆律师指出，非礼罪属于刑事法典第354节条文，若地点是在建筑物电梯里或对象是14岁以下者，则属于更严重的第354（A）节条文。

 

在第354节条文下，触犯者罪成可被判坐牢长达两年、罚款及鞭刑，第354（A）节条文的最高刑罚则达监禁3年至10年外加鞭刑。

完整报道，请翻阅18.11.2016《新明日报》。

 

[Guest XMRB]

[fab]

The victim must be so cute till the ceo loses his mind.

[Guest whyme]

6 minutes ago, fab said:

The victim must be so cute till the ceo loses his mind.

 

 

 

 

[cutejack]

Xx

Edited November 18, 2016 by cutejack

[Guest Guest]

What does this Dn Shu Jin got to do with this case ah?  The church got very nice handsome guys is it ah? 

 

Certain angle, EK looks quite charming but certain angle, he looks like quite haggard leh.

 

Maybe at his age, his wife does not want to have sex with him anymore? Actually, he makes quite a good sugar daddy rite? .... terrace house, audi cars, nice salary, bonus, .....

 

[FluteGuan]

Elder Edmund Kwok has been a member of Zion for 41 years. He was ordained as an Elder on 15 May 2016.

Ministries:
Mentor of DG 1
Young Couples’ Ministry

......

 

 

If the yandao junior didnt go to police immediately.

he is in his 20s.

 

 

i give him the benefit of a doubt. 

 

 

He was traumatised. Dont know how to react... and deal with it,

I dont think molest ot rape victims will broadcast their experience out loud.

 

 

till now he has yet to make the police report,

and with some quarters suggesting he shd sympathise with ek, and some saying he lied or was jilted of a supposed affair,,, or plain asking him not to give a statement so there wont be charges....

 

 

Yandaokia must be feeling quite stressed. He is still working at nkf,