xenophile Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 it is chargeable, not a 'must charge', so no one will really bother. unless you are caught doing deeds within the premiseIt hasnt really been exercised. I know of a recent case where a regular spec molested his man outfield, but he was charge with misconduct, or conduct unbecoming, not with falsifying statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious_boi Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 It hasnt really been exercised. I know of a recent case where a regular spec molested his man outfield, but he was charge with misconduct, or conduct unbecoming, not with falsifying statements.Yea, thats what they do I suppose. I remember coming across 6 cases of misconduct (case study) before when I was still in NS. None of them were charge for lying about their sexual orientation at the pre enlistment check up either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwings Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I was not excused from field camp. I was merely sent back to the bunk every night and sent back to field camp to take part in the activities. When it was time for bed, I was taken back to sleep alone in the bunk.even overseas training??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicerife Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 truest story from a junior of mine. Guards spec. said it was damn hiong. couldnt take it either. declared. down pes. still continued to do the same old stuff, except he gets to book out daily. though the journey home takes 1hr+ daily. gotta wake up at 5+ to reach camp durinf life run days. no idea if it's a boon or bane. Quote ---Dignity is a facade we wear to hide our ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokchai Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Surely there is a much more important fundamental question here . . . . Why, in the 21st century does Singapore still insist on having NS at all? Most other countries have long since abolished it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lausanne Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Surely there is a much more important fundamental question here . . . . Why, in the 21st century does Singapore still insist on having NS at all? Most other countries have long since abolished it!because look at our neighbours up north and south...they are majority malay/muslim....we are majority chinese/non muslim....of course I do not want to bring up racial/religious cards here, but NS is still relevant so long as the demographic remains like this - history has given us a good look at just how a simple religious/racial conflict can happen very suddenly... Edited September 30, 2012 by lausanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 What a wimp! To declare bcoz cannot take the stress.... If 302 is a get out of training or tough time card, then half our male.population wld have turned gay! 302 shld be removed in the first place. And the ts shld just man up.As for those talking about NS per se, Switzerland and Israel still have it. And it is off topic here, so start yr own anti-ns thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GlennLee Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 hmmm... what about my story? i have actually did more stupid thing. i signed on as a regular. its been 3.5years and i really cannot stand all the jokes on me for being single all along till now age 23. i am not a gd lier. i tried really hard to push but i am about to give up. its too long till my ns liability ends. if i declare suddenly, will they ask me to pay the money? i took the lum sum cos i am diploma graduate. i have been trying to act straight all along but people are suspecting and forcing me to go to geylang for those prostitute in ktv. they do this often to test me. any suggestions for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 hmmm... what about my story? i have actually did more stupid thing. i signed on as a regular. its been 3.5years and i really cannot stand all the jokes on me for being single all along till now age 23. i am not a gd lier. i tried really hard to push but i am about to give up. its too long till my ns liability ends. if i declare suddenly, will they ask me to pay the money? i took the lum sum cos i am diploma graduate. i have been trying to act straight all along but people are suspecting and forcing me to go to geylang for those prostitute in ktv. they do this often to test me. any suggestions for me?Y dont u pretend that u have a girl friend who is a stewardess?U can always say that she's on flight during major occasion where she needs to be seen with u. Quote 鍾意就好，理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSL019 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I think u don't have to declare really. They might actually be gay or bi to be so interested in you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clickclock Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 i declared right after i posted to my vocations and they send me to mmi and i was down pes-ed to C9L9, now i am doing Clerk Work, and everyone in my unit cares about me i so happy that i am a open-mined aj.. haha, all my campmates know i am aj, whats the big deal to declare? i am open!Well i guess the SAF tackles this is different ways, I too declared after my posting to a vocation and I was sent to a medical board review, they did not downgrade my Pes status, I remained Pes B. Perhaps its depends the MO. Quote I draw sexy men, visit http://www.toastwire.tumblr.com click on 'My Artworks'. Willing to take on comissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeannyShortcake Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 hmmm... what about my story? i have actually did more stupid thing. i signed on as a regular. its been 3.5years and i really cannot stand all the jokes on me for being single all along till now age 23. i am not a gd lier. i tried really hard to push but i am about to give up. its too long till my ns liability ends. if i declare suddenly, will they ask me to pay the money? i took the lum sum cos i am diploma graduate. i have been trying to act straight all along but people are suspecting and forcing me to go to geylang for those prostitute in ktv. they do this often to test me. any suggestions for me?Oh since when do you have to bow to their schemes and plots?Just refuse them la."My life is my work." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 蒲眉蓬 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Declaring 302 is nothing. CPC will decide one. SAF already knew gays everywhere. There are tons of them around. All not the same.Individual case, different case. Some downgraded, while some don't.Some kenna senang job, while some kenna saii-gkarng.Some call back for reservist, while some don't.Always remember: If you lucky kenna a gay superior, your life is easy. Kenna one anti-gay arse-hole, your life susa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniform_guy Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Always remember: If you lucky kenna a gay superior, your life is easy. Kenna one anti-gay arse-hole, your life susa!I strongly disagree with your saying.. it really depend one your job scoop and your boss. Even if he is gay, your life will not be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heyhey Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Honestly, I really dont see any point in declaring 302 unless your whole motivation is to siam NS. Many of our brothers (and "sisters") have gone through it. You can appeal to down PES if you have any legitimate medical conditions but I really dont see how being AJ will affect NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstc82 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well i guess the SAF tackles this is different ways, I too declared after my posting to a vocation and I was sent to a medical board review, they did not downgrade my Pes status, I remained Pes B. Perhaps its depends the MO. brovo to that MO. I find saf shd get rid of 302. Why can't gays be commandos or guards etc? Why shd gays be downgraded? Gays are the same as str8 in capabilities. For gays who declare 302 just to get "downgraded" in order to get 9 to 5 hr has no respect for being gay n solidify the myth that gays are below str8s in capabilities . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonely57 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 9 - 5 isnt that great anyways.. imagine if ur camp is all the way in the east and u live all the way in the west.. $$$ and tiring.. id rather stay in.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeithkeith Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 What in your mind to declare as 302?There are alot of regular specialists & officers that is gay in SAF/SCDF/Police force. The forces still stand strong.If you know the rule, there is no problem.I do have guys that is bi/gay in my unit. They behave & do well in their job(official work, dun think wild).Those who willing to tell me his sex orientation, i am glad and able to help/guide them when they are having problem.Anyway, as long the guy perform well and do what he need to do during work time it will be alright.What happen after working hour, we shld not interfere as long dun commit any crime.Dont declare if you unable to cope it. There are alot of consideration and things that need to handle when you declare. If people around you against homosexuality, that goes your peaceful life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeithkeith Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 9 - 5 isnt that great anyways.. imagine if ur camp is all the way in the east and u live all the way in the west.. $$$ and tiring.. id rather stay in..Nowaday young generation NSF prefer to work 8 to 5 and stay out.They been pamper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Payon Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 By your logic, that means the older generation NSF must have not preferred to work 8 to 5 and stay out, right?Does staying out make one less of a soldier, or less capable of defending his nation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GlennLee Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 i regretted signing on as specialist cos i found that the job scope is not of my interest. i thought that i will be able to push through since they say until like very seng nang. but when i go in, i really don like how everything works there. everything goes by seniority and felt the friendship or relationship in there is sort of fake since i am hiding my true identity. i kind of feel really uncomfortable to work there. as they talk about girls and stuffs i have to try to act like i am very interested. to keep my identity plus no interest in the job and i felt no point to stay in there since i have no heart to stay. all these that made me think of declaring to maybe post to shore so that maybe i can take part time degree? cos sailing and work are really the facts i have to consider in order to study. afraid of not able to cope and stuffs. of course, i will be trying to hang in there as long as possible to reduce as much penalty i have to pay. but i dunno when i will give up. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simple84 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 The toughest part of declaring 302 really is about immediate family members, the doctor will need to clarify with your parents, as for me, the only irritating part is the B***H Doctor I had to face was Dorothy Teo whom I had to fight with her to justify I am Gay that time, I even had pictures of me and my Ex french kissing and she was being insistant I wasn't Gay and it was a mental disorder in her opinion that ended up me telling her to go fuck herself and she is unqualified as a doctor as she told me that if I was really that depressed, I should kill myself, hence I told her to kill herself instead literally and she should get out of working of SAF as she had symtoms of wanting to be a man IMO (moustache, leg hairs, and armpit hair *need I say more)... LOLI requested for another doctor and the other doctor was having a hard time not to laugh when I told him about my exchanges with her and he decided that I am under the Non effeminate kind and gave me my status as 302 To some army is an experience and I do admit i do have mixed feelings of that time, but...IMO, I'm happy i declared simply because, in reality, army doesnt pay enough and the shit they make us do aint well enough worth it (sorry but as long as we are being forced as compared to those who seriously want to serve, I do not agree that its the right way to go about for Home land security eg USA) Having no reservice for me is definitely an ok thing for me as I did deal with re-service men during my service and most of them are there having their time wasted by SAF, I would rather go for a real holiday then spending my time with people whom I really do not care about.As an ex clerk with *Acting Chief Clerk Access (I ORD with that as my vocation believe it or not =.="), SAF is NOT Allowed to disclose any info about you declared 302 and is liable to a lawsuit in the circumstances that you are discriminated in your future career endeavors. So yea... this is what I will share and its just my own personal experiences, opinions and opinions.Hope it helps others who wants info about declaring 302=] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clickclock Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) I just don't understand why some people on this forum would use the fact that "some officers/specs/men in the SAF are gays and that they are going through a wonderful time " as a reason for someone to not declare. Different guys have different ways of experiencing the army, some people would find it to be a waste of time while others would think that it is an honor to serve the army. Saying that gay people could live within 'the shadows' of straight SAF only serves to show an alternative for young enlistees to consider, not as a way to convince them otherwise from declaring. as for simple 84, I kinda feel sorry for you lol! My process was really painless and stressless, I simply had to say 'yes' to a board of high-ranking councellor-tasked military men for my declaration to be approved. I guess SAF has multiple standards in tackling the case. It's kinda unprofessional. Edited July 5, 2013 by Clickclock Quote I draw sexy men, visit http://www.toastwire.tumblr.com click on 'My Artworks'. Willing to take on comissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckysock Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 The toughest part of declaring 302 really is about immediate family members, the doctor will need to clarify with your parents, as for me, the only irritating part is the B***H Doctor I had to face was Dorothy Teo whom I had to fight with her to justify I am Gay that time, I even had pictures of me and my Ex french kissing and she was being insistant I wasn't Gay and it was a mental disorder in her opinion that ended up me telling her to go fuck herself and she is unqualified as a doctor as she told me that if I was really that depressed, I should kill myself, hence I told her to kill herself instead literally and she should get out of working of SAF as she had symtoms of wanting to be a man IMO (moustache, leg hairs, and armpit hair *need I say more)... LOLI requested for another doctor and the other doctor was having a hard time not to laugh when I told him about my exchanges with her and he decided that I am under the Non effeminate kind and gave me my status as 302 To some army is an experience and I do admit i do have mixed feelings of that time, but...IMO, I'm happy i declared simply because, in reality, army doesnt pay enough and the shit they make us do aint well enough worth it (sorry but as long as we are being forced as compared to those who seriously want to serve, I do not agree that its the right way to go about for Home land security eg USA) Having no reservice for me is definitely an ok thing for me as I did deal with re-service men during my service and most of them are there having their time wasted by SAF, I would rather go for a real holiday then spending my time with people whom I really do not care about.As an ex clerk with *Acting Chief Clerk Access (I ORD with that as my vocation believe it or not =.="), SAF is NOT Allowed to disclose any info about you declared 302 and is liable to a lawsuit in the circumstances that you are discriminated in your future career endeavors. So yea... this is what I will share and its just my own personal experiences, opinions and opinions.Hope it helps others who wants info about declaring 302=] Wow.. So Unprofessional.. Apparently, this Dorothy Teo is a psychologist not a doctor. (Did a little research, just curious).. Haha. Should have complain to the medical board or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Guy Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Im entering NS for BMT soon.Im a closeted gay and acting straight since Secondary School.Should I declare 302?If I dont, what if u get hard while showering with the others?Please advice me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raiden Alpha Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 (edited) Lot of guys get hard during shower,urine tests or medical checkups during NS time regardless of being straight,bi or gay.I don't see a need to declare and live by labels UNLESS declaring mean exempted from doing sai kang. Edited December 28, 2013 by Raiden Alpha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiswim Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Nothing will happen to you if you get hard in shower. What's more, heard that Tekong has installed doors for the cubicles.You probably get teased if the unfortunate happened.Unless you start to rape your bunk mates, otherwise just go through the rite of passage. By declaring 302,you are just denying yourself from a lot of opportunities in your NS. Quote An alternate profile | http://www.dudesnude.com/members/885057/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rong Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Pros of declaring 302: None Cons of declaring 302: You're officially noted as a homosexual by the government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clickclock Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Firstly, its all closed shower concept now, there are cubicles constructed in BMT =) so you need not worryand when you are serving NS I seriously doubt that you will have the energy to feel bothered about getting hard while showering with other guys, u'll be pretty exhausted at the end of the day when you shower. well, regarding your choice on whether or not to declare, you'll need to ask yourself, are you the honorable, chiong sua type? or the exploitative, laid back person like me haha. there is no guarantee that 302 will give you a laxed vocation but the probability is worth mentioning. Quote I draw sexy men, visit http://www.toastwire.tumblr.com click on 'My Artworks'. Willing to take on comissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinkun Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Not sure about other schools, but school 4 have doors on the cubicles. Quote https://merlinsfolio.wordpress.com/ https://medium.com/@merlincheng "On the Internet, no one knows you are a cat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasleyLim Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 (edited) Just act like how you act around your friends and you'll be fine. If you get hard during showers then liddat lor, it's not like straight guys don't get random boners also. If need be, just say you miss porn. But trust me, you will be too tired to even think much less wank. Edited December 28, 2013 by EasleyLim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Dont worry, you will be too tired to get an erection. It is seldom that most of your platoon mates are Adonis. Quote 鍾意就好，理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GachiMuchi Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Im entering NS for BMT soon. Im a closeted gay and acting straight since Secondary School. Should I declare 302? If I dont, what if u get hard while showering with the others? Please advice me I am sure, many many years later when you are in your 50s or 70s. You would wish you have a hard on as easy as ABC. And IF your reason for declaring yourself a 302 just because you are going to get a hard on while showering. Then you are certainly not a very bright kid. You can go toilet and jo before you strip naked and shower. Then it's quite unlikely you will have a hard on immediately after you came. Here are some info on your morning erection. http://www.blowingwind.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=46857#entry721597 Quote http://gachimuchi2008.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lao beng Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Not sure about other schools, but school 4 have doors on the cubicles. wow how many schools are there in tekong now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_M Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Any idea y the change from Alfra, bravo, charlie etc to Apache Bronco Cougar? Hello, people. The discussion is on 302 not on how many schools. Get back to topic. Quote http://www.facebook.com/gachimuchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theonlyone Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Anyone declared 302? Is it true that you cannot marry once you declare? I am bi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasleyLim Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Didn't I see your post on sg gay confessions some time back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sexyboi Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hi all. I have declared 302 during my national service & i ORDed recently. I have read a few post that regarding about whether declaring 302 will affect your future career or not. Theres a post mentioned that all this "302" info will only stays with the SAF & the medical officer.So i wasnt sure, i m wondering, does it stops or affect me from working in any sector or agency etc industry?It will be great for anyone who are already working, declared 302 in ns to share your thoughts and experience. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildboysg Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I'm gonna go for the ns medical checkup soon... should I declare about being bi/gay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Only if you find the medical officer examining your cock is cute and your type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildboysg Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Only if you find the medical officer examining your cock is cute and your type.you declared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasleyLim Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Why declare in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hehe....my medical officer wasn't my type so I didn't declare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildboysg Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Why declare in the first place?I'm just considering to declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasleyLim Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I'm just considering to declare. Again, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildboysg Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Again, why?to come out of the closet I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstc82 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 What has one's sexuaity got to do abt capabilities? Is there anything different Btw a str8 and gay man or woman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeannyShortcake Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Coming out of the closet doesn't mean you have to declare during the medical checkup. You won't get much perks cause so many have declared before you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildboysg Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Coming out of the closet doesn't mean you have to declare during the medical checkup. You won't get much perks cause so many have declared before you.I see do you know anyone who declared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstc82 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 If Ts wanna come out of the closet, start with telling your family and friends first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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