Should I Declare I am Gay during NS ? + Advise for Declaring 302 (Compiled)

[Guest Pooter]

57 minutes ago, HarrizZhafran said:

ohhhhh... he finds it impossible not to fantasise about having fun with the privates and commanders. he's scared someone may guess he's not straight.. he gets hardons often in camp. he even gets turned on around his friends.

 

Tell your friend to bear with it, not come out of the closet, and definitely do not declare 302. He has nothing to gain and plenty to lose. Getting charged or withholding that information upon enlistment will ruin his life. It is not worth taking that risk. He needs to go back and tell his PC the shameless nudity and naked teasing had gotten him confused, but he prayed about it and talked to a counselor, and now is definitely sure he not gay. He should also apologize for worrying the PC for no reason.

 

Your friend needs to be mentally stronger. NS will not last forever but any negative marks accrued on his official record will last forever. He might think he doesn't want to work in the public sector in the future but things change. Do not needlessly slam the door shut. That would be the biggest mistake of his life. As for the constant hard-ons, I also have this problem, and I always wear a jockstrap under my regular underwear to hide the erections. Yes that works. And never fantasize while in camp.

[HarrizZhafran]

he's seeing the formation counsellor for it soon.. you mean it'll be taken note of in his records? i googled about this and there was someone who said you won't get into trouble for declaring.. that you'll be exempted or be excused stay in. 

[Guest Pooter]

26 minutes ago, HarrizZhafran said:

he's seeing the formation counsellor for it soon.. you mean it'll be taken note of in his records? i googled about this and there was someone who said you won't get into trouble for declaring.. that you'll be exempted or be excused stay in.

 

Please trust me on this. His situation will be simpler if he follows my advice above, and says he was temporarily confused because he's never been in such an environment before and was overwhelmed by all the random nudity and sexual jokes since he had never seen lots of naked bodies up close, but now realizes he is not gay but merely recovering from sensory overload.

 

He may not get into "trouble" for declaring and allowed to stay ... or they could dismiss him because they think he is a lair ... but the easy way is to keep pretending to be straight, begin wearing jock straps beneath his underwear to hide any badly-timed erections, and teach himself to never fantasize about campmates, co-workers, or anyone where doing so could hurt his life.

[HarrizZhafran]

what do you mean by "trouble", allowed to stay? frankly i think he's really losing his cool.. especially when the guys get touchy. 

[Guest Pooter]

32 minutes ago, HarrizZhafran said:

what do you mean by "trouble", allowed to stay? frankly i think he's really losing his cool.. especially when the guys get touchy.

 

I am sure you have already seen all the variations of "trouble" from your research online. The possibilities can range from being dishonorably removed from NS, to being allowed to stay but having a notation that he is gay placed into his permanent file, which will follow him around for the rest of his life and possibly prevent him from being able to obtain certain jobs in the public sector or government service. Even if he thinks he doesn't ever want such jobs now, things could change in the future, so he really needs to calm down and stay closeted.

 

I understand the part about losing his cool but he needs to toughen up his mind. He can't run away every time he face uncomfortable situations in life. This is not just about NS but also all things. Start wearing a jockstrap beneath his underwear to hide the erections when the guys touch him. Also don't react to their touching in a sexual manner. Just take it as a joke and tease them back. Don't touch them. Just make silly jokes and let the moment pass. I know it is not easy, but he needs to train his brain, and not have a sexual reaction to this stuff.

[HarrizZhafran]

he's not touchy around them. he doesn't open up to people easily anyway. do you mean exempted by dishonourably removed from ns?

[Guest Pooter]

4 minutes ago, HarrizZhafran said:

he's not touchy around them. he doesn't open up to people easily anyway. do you mean exempted by dishonourably removed from ns?

 

I don't know all of the technical definitions. I assume that if they decide he lied about being gay before enlisting, they will treat him the same way they treat someone who is caught committing a crime while serving, and kick him out of NS with a notation in his file that he is discharged for dishonesty or some similar term. That is not something he will want in a permanent file for the rest of his life.

 

To be honest, I don't know what the outcome of his case would be, but I think he should follow the prudent course of action and not take an unnecessary risk. NS doesn't last forever. He needs to toughen up and get through it. Gays are also men and we should serve our nation with honor. The more who do so, the more likely that we can serve openly someday, as those in the West can now do.

[HarrizZhafran]

he was just curious about guys before enlisting, you know like how girls admire more attractive women? he only realised that he may not be straight when he started to fantasise about gguys, when he get turned on.. when he is surrounded by guys who don't exactly cover up at all times. technically he didn't lie right?

[konior]

The worry is more of it goes into your record. Jobs in public service requires background checks, and this will exclude him for certain jobs. However, it is not known what jobs will be affected. He is only 20 or so, there is another 40+ years of opportunities that can be missed because he is thinking with little head.

 

There are other more immediate things, like the whole camp will know about it since there is nothing else to do during lull periods except gossip. Gossip and rumours that will affect him later on.

 

Actually, if he is in a unit, there is a good chance the guys around him already know. It's a 24/7 environment. The ones who are not comfortable would have slurred him, the rest would just either ignore or accept it. No big deal.

 

Most of us goes through without declaring. Learnt to smack down the little head when it flares up at the wrong time. That's part of growing up.

 

Of course, if he wants to make declaring a statement (political, personal standpoint, etc), by all means go ahead. He have to bear the consequences for the next 40+ years.

[HarrizZhafran]

1 hour ago, konior said:

The worry is more of it goes into your record. Jobs in public service requires background checks, and this will exclude him for certain jobs. However, it is not known what jobs will be affected. He is only 20 or so, there is another 40+ years of opportunities that can be missed because he is thinking with little head.

 

There are other more immediate things, like the whole camp will know about it since there is nothing else to do during lull periods except gossip. Gossip and rumours that will affect him later on.

 

Actually, if he is in a unit, there is a good chance the guys around him already know. It's a 24/7 environment. The ones who are not comfortable would have slurred him, the rest would just either ignore or accept it. No big deal.

 

Most of us goes through without declaring. Learnt to smack down the little head when it flares up at the wrong time. That's part of growing up.

 

Of course, if he wants to make declaring a statement (political, personal standpoint, etc), by all means go ahead. He have to bear the consequences for the next 40+ years.

there's the possibility of gossip.. he told me the guys there are like the male version from Mean Girls. 

[Guest Pooter]

It is time for your friend to thicken his skin, get tougher, and grow up. Gossip can be shrugged off and ignored. A notation on his permanent record would follow him around for the rest of his career. Declaring 302 is not worth the consequences. Millions of gays have served in NS with honor over the last five decades without publicly announcing their orientation and making a decision that could negatively impact their careers and futures for the next half-a-century. Unless your friend is a transgender or superfemme, which I 100% doubt, he needs keep his head level, do his assignments, and complete his NS like the millions of gays who have proceeded him.

[Guest Pooter]

1 hour ago, HarrizZhafran said:

there are that many gays around?

 

I estimate at least a millions gays have quietly and discreetly did NS over the past 50 years. That doesn't mean there are now a million gays in Singapore.

 

Singapore has around 5.8 million people this year with roughly 2.8 million men and 3.0 million women. By the 10% rule there should be 280,000 gay guys.

 

Only around 3.9 million are residents, roughly 1.9 million men and 2.0 million women, so about 190,000 now-living current and future gays did / will do NS.

 

Not sure how to break down the population trends over the last 50 years but the point is all eligible men should do NS, gay or straight, without distractions.

[lovehandle]

1 hour ago, HarrizZhafran said:

there are that many gays around?

is this something new? u sounded as though asking are there many Aliens around? I assumed there are many closeted and non-closeted ones

some childish gays asked me is there many gays around, some swayed as they walk around our flats, they are all above age 50yo, singles (mum knew them since small), some obviously they are though you may claimed that they are just sissies

 

some kept a moustache , looked bulky and manly but still cannot hide from me that they are gays and it is a group of brothers

some kept dogs , single also gave me that feel that they are......while I don't wish to be stereotypical.....I m that type of neighbours who kept myself locked in my own flat yet I can detect them, I cannot imagine if I would to really do a thorough research

yestday while shopping at a famous dept store, I saw two diff grp of 2 men discussing rice cookers (as a male, I too will attend cooking class, but I hardly get any straight men to discuss such home appliances esp related) and they don't even looked like siblings or F&B colleagues, they looked just like partners in a home....I have colleagues in the F&B line too, from their discussion, I knew whether are they f&B, this is a natural professional sense, u cannot lie

and Gays tend to give a kind of stare ie so gayish so u can easily see how many of them around

but the point is not about how many straights or gays around, be it how many, our quality of life has no diffce compared with the straights, hence be it pooter or konior emphasized there is no point in declaring at all (which is why I open my sttm by asking are we aliens)

 

 

I was also shocked by the overpopulation of Indians (yes they could be foreigners) in shogun sauna in this very recent year!

[cutejack]

15 minutes ago, -Ignored- said:

is this something new? u sounded as though asking are there many Aliens around? I assumed there are many closeted and non-closeted ones

some childish gays asked me is there many gays around, some swayed as they walk around our flats, they are all above age 50yo, singles (mum knew them since small), some obviously they are though you may claimed that they are just sissies

 

some kept a moustache , looked bulky and manly but still cannot hide from me that they are gays and it is a group of brothers

some kept dogs , single also gave me that feel that they are......while I don't wish to be stereotypical.....I m that type of neighbours who kept myself locked in my own flat yet I can detect them, I cannot imagine if I would to really do a thorough research

yestday while shopping at a famous dept store, I saw two diff grp of 2 men discussing rice cookers (as a male, I too will attend cooking class, but I hardly get any straight men to discuss such home appliances esp related) and they don't even looked like siblings or F&B colleagues, they looked just like partners in a home....I have colleagues in the F&B line too, from their discussion, I knew whether are they f&B, this is a natural professional sense, u cannot lie

and Gays tend to give a kind of stare ie so gayish so u can easily see how many of them around

but the point is not about how many straights or gays around, be it how many, our quality of life has no diffce compared with the straights, hence be it pooter or konior emphasized there is no point in declaring at all (which is why I open my sttm by asking are we aliens)

 

 

I was also shocked by the overpopulation of Indians (yes they could be foreigners) in shogun sauna in this very recent year!

N most of those indians r married with kids .pls take note too.

[lovehandle]

5 minutes ago, cutejack said:

N most of those indians r married with kids .pls take note too.

U mean the indians who patronised gay related places (of cos incld toilets)?!

 

i do notice the older gen gay chinese men who frequented the grandpa saunas r often donning a ring too, some shared so openly that they have kids too(who r alrdy in their adulthood)

 

 

[cutejack]

4 minutes ago, -Ignored- said:

U mean the indians who patronised gay related places (of cos incld toilets)?!

 

i do notice the older gen gay chinese men who frequented the grandpa saunas r often donning a ring too, some shared so openly that they have kids too(who r alrdy in their adulthood)

 

 

Yeah .

Those older gen gay which mentioned are also true.

Edited October 19, 2017 by cutejack

[Summerbitch]

On 19/10/2017 at 6:48 PM, -Ignored- said:

is this something new? u sounded as though asking are there many Aliens around? I assumed there are many closeted and non-closeted ones

some childish gays asked me is there many gays around, some swayed as they walk around our flats, they are all above age 50yo, singles (mum knew them since small), some obviously they are though you may claimed that they are just sissies

 

some kept a moustache , looked bulky and manly but still cannot hide from me that they are gays and it is a group of brothers

some kept dogs , single also gave me that feel that they are......while I don't wish to be stereotypical.....I m that type of neighbours who kept myself locked in my own flat yet I can detect them, I cannot imagine if I would to really do a thorough research

yestday while shopping at a famous dept store, I saw two diff grp of 2 men discussing rice cookers (as a male, I too will attend cooking class, but I hardly get any straight men to discuss such home appliances esp related) and they don't even looked like siblings or F&B colleagues, they looked just like partners in a home....I have colleagues in the F&B line too, from their discussion, I knew whether are they f&B, this is a natural professional sense, u cannot lie

and Gays tend to give a kind of stare ie so gayish so u can easily see how many of them around

but the point is not about how many straights or gays around, be it how many, our quality of life has no diffce compared with the straights, hence be it pooter or konior emphasized there is no point in declaring at all (which is why I open my sttm by asking are we aliens)

 

 

I was also shocked by the overpopulation of Indians (yes they could be foreigners) in shogun sauna in this very recent year!

 

On 19/10/2017 at 7:03 PM, cutejack said:

N most of those indians r married with kids .pls take note too.

 

On 19/10/2017 at 7:11 PM, -Ignored- said:

U mean the indians who patronised gay related places (of cos incld toilets)?!

 

i do notice the older gen gay chinese men who frequented the grandpa saunas r often donning a ring too, some shared so openly that they have kids too(who r alrdy in their adulthood)

 

 

 

On 19/10/2017 at 7:15 PM, cutejack said:

Yeah .

Those older gen gay which mentioned are also true.

Not related. Move on. Next.

 

Ok back to topic. I didn't declared 302 too during the check up at cmpb. And I get a little crazy during my time in tekong and eventually "came out" to my officer who tell me that it's ok not to declare 302.  But as I've mentioned that i was a little crazy, I got this mindset that it's time I take back the control over who I am, so I insist of declaring 302. Went through my officer->MO->specialist at Alexandra. 

Guess What? In the end after 1yr 10months, before Ord. I'm still 50% declared with mindef. I didn't sign any form with them, didn't affect my vocation (thanks God, as I totally love what I'm doing in army), all I've found out is that during a period of time under my record there's a 302 notice. And after a few months they removed it.

 

Experts please advice whether I'm out as 302 or not in the army.

[HarrizZhafran]

47 minutes ago, Summerbitch said:

 

 

 

Not related. Move on. Next.

 

Ok back to topic. I didn't declared 302 too during the check up at cmpb. And I get a little crazy during my time in tekong and eventually "came out" to my officer who tell me that it's ok not to declare 302.  But as I've mentioned that i was a little crazy, I got this mindset that it's time I take back the control over who I am, so I insist of declaring 302. Went through my officer->MO->specialist at Alexandra. 

Guess What? In the end after 1yr 10months, before Ord. I'm still 50% declared with mindef. I didn't sign any form with them, didn't affect my vocation (thanks God, as I totally love what I'm doing in army), all I've found out is that during a period of time under my record there's a 302 notice. And after a few months they removed it.

 

Experts please advice whether I'm out as 302 or not in the army.

my friend decided to declare.. he told his ma'am and the formation psychologist. the psychologist booked an appointment with the MO and he gave my friend light duty and excuse stay in to minimise the interaction with the company people. My friend was told that the process will take months though.. like half a year. 

[Guest Hazing One Bunkmate]

1 hour ago, Summerbitch said:

Ok back to topic. I didn't declared 302 too during the check up at cmpb. And I get a little crazy during my time in tekong and eventually "came out" to my officer who tell me that it's ok not to declare 302.  But as I've mentioned that i was a little crazy, I got this mindset that it's time I take back the control over who I am, so I insist of declaring 302. Went through my officer->MO->specialist at Alexandra. Guess What? In the end after 1yr 10months, before Ord. I'm still 50% declared with mindef. I didn't sign any form with them, didn't affect my vocation (thanks God, as I totally love what I'm doing in army), all I've found out is that during a period of time under my record there's a 302 notice. And after a few months they removed it. Experts please advice whether I'm out as 302 or not in the army.

 

Not an expert but it seems like you are a case of "lost" paperwork, as in your officer (or officers) really didn't want to force the issue and make you actually declare 302, so eventually the notice was removed. It is probably the same as a case where you thought you "might" be gay but then decided that you are straight after all and withdrew your intent to declare. Should this ever come up in the future, just say you were confused for a period of time due to being on the receiving end of some mean-spirited but non-abusive hazing, before working it out mentally and getting back on the same track as the majority of society.

[Guest Hazing One Bunkmate]

43 minutes ago, HarrizZhafran said:

my friend decided to declare.. he told his ma'am and the formation psychologist. the psychologist booked an appointment with the MO and he gave my friend light duty and excuse stay in to minimise the interaction with the company people. My friend was told that the process will take months though.. like half a year.

 

So your friend declares 302 but nothing will get 'better' for him until six months later? Things will probably get 'worse' actually, as rumours will spread through his unit, and the hazing / ragging / teasing from his bunkmates might possibly increase! Exactly why so many guys were saying he should bear with the situation and not declare. At this point, when the form is ready for his signature six months later, he should say he changed his mind and decided to turn straight again. Then, just like in the case of Summerbitch, they can lose his file as well.

[HarrizZhafran]

22 minutes ago, Guest Hazing One Bunkmate said:

 

So your friend declares 302 but nothing will get 'better' for him until six months later? Things will probably get 'worse' actually, as rumours will spread through his unit, and the hazing / ragging / teasing from his bunkmates might possibly increase! Exactly why so many guys were saying he should bear with the situation and not declare. At this point, when the form is ready for his signature six months later, he should say he changed his mind and decided to turn straight again. Then, just like in the case of Summerbitch, they can lose his file as well.

the bunk mates are ok. it's just the rest who have been disturbing him. what if the time is shortened to 3 months instead?

[CKW]

On 17/10/2017 at 10:43 PM, HarrizZhafran said:

so my friend has sounded off to his PC that he thinks he's not straight.. she said that he can get charged for withholding this info at cmpb before enlisting. is it true? i mean, not like he sexually harass anyone what.. 

 

Hi, I didn't read the advice that the others gave you (too many!) but here's mine:

 

Firstly, your PC is such a bitch! Instead of helping him, she threatens to charge him! This is why women should not be given too much authority in the SAF and Mindef. They always abuse it.

 

Secondly, tell him that there is no need to declare anything. If he really chooses to be gay, it is none of the PC's business, as long as he serves his NS in a proper way.

 

I know some straight guys fantasise and even sexually experiment with other guys during their NS days, but eventually decide that being gay is not for them. And they go on to marry and have kids and don't think of sex with guys anymore after that.

 

So it's really too early to officially declare gay. And with that kind of lousy PC, it's definitely not worth the trouble.

 

Take care!

Edited October 21, 2017 by CKW

[HarrizZhafran]

2 minutes ago, CKW said:

 

Hi, I didn't read the advice that the others gave you (too many!) but here's mine:

 

Firstly, your PC is such a bitch! Instead of helping him, she threatens to charge him! This is why women should not be given too much authority in the SAF and Mindef. They always abuse it.

 

Secondly, tell him that there is no need to declare anything. If he really chooses to be gay, it is none of the PC's business, as long as he serves his NS in a proper way.

 

I know some straight guys fantasise and even sexually experiment with other guys during their NS days, but eventually decide that being gay is not for them. And they go on to marry and have kids and don't think of sex with guys anymore after that.

 

So it's really too early to officially declare gay. And with that kind of lousy PC, it's definitely not worth the trouble.

 

Take care!

i mean he said that feels gay after some time.. from my knowledge it's a offence if you declare late like that right? he went on to declare anyway because he was fantasising too much. 

[CKW]

Just now, HarrizZhafran said:

i mean he said that feels gay after some time.. from my knowledge it's a offence if you declare late like that right? he went on to declare anyway because he was fantasising too much. 

 

Oh I see.

 

Actually, a lot of gay guys don't declare, because they feel it's none of the SAF's business  

 

Did anything bad happen to him after he declared? Sorry if you might have mentioned above. Thread too long to read  LOL

[HarrizZhafran]

1 minute ago, CKW said:

 

Oh I see.

 

Actually, a lot of gay guys don't declare, because they feel it's none of the SAF's business  

 

Did anything bad happen to him after he declared? Sorry if you might have mentioned above. Thread too long to read  LOL

so far nope.. he was given excuse stay in and light duty to minimise his interaction with the rest of his company. what im scared is people may guess after some time.. considering he's not well-liked in camp already, his company mates may find this more reason to hate on him. 

[Guest Genie Bottle Open]

The fact that he isn't well liked is anther reason why he shouldn't have declared. People will find out soon enough and his situation might get worse, especially if it takes three, or six, or whatever months for his paperwork to clear. I don't know your friend, and I'm sorry to criticize him, but he sounds mentally weak to me. How terrible could the guys in the unit be that he can't simply ignore those jerks, perform his duties, and count the days until ORD?

 

Is he flamingly and obviously gay? If so maybe there is no option but to declare 302. But if he can pass for straight, he really should have stayed in the closet, rather than making things more complicated. I believe even the queeniest gays should still be able to perform office work and support services in the event the nation ever has to be involved in a real war. I'm only unsure about TG / TS / TV. Oh well. Can't put the gay genie back in the bottle now.

[HarrizZhafran]

23 minutes ago, krykry189 said:

My NS days were so normal... the guys in my bunk and platoon were so ordinary... lol.

 

But the officers were quite goodlooking and yummy. How come most of the SAF officers are so hot.... how does SAF even shortlist recruits for OCS? Although not all are goodlooking, but most of them are.... just go OCS and anyhow point to some cadet, also can be quite a decent catch! Seems like too much of a coincidence that many of them look good. Or is it just my bias?

yes.. if not hot, at least cute sia. so tempting to just seduce them

[HarrizZhafran]

21 minutes ago, Guest Genie Bottle Open said:

The fact that he isn't well liked is anther reason why he shouldn't have declared. People will find out soon enough and his situation might get worse, especially if it takes three, or six, or whatever months for his paperwork to clear. I don't know your friend, and I'm sorry to criticize him, but he sounds mentally weak to me. How terrible could the guys in the unit be that he can't simply ignore those jerks, perform his duties, and count the days until ORD?

 

Is he flamingly and obviously gay? If so maybe there is no option but to declare 302. But if he can pass for straight, he really should have stayed in the closet, rather than making things more complicated. I believe even the queeniest gays should still be able to perform office work and support services in the event the nation ever has to be involved in a real war. I'm only unsure about TG / TS / TV. Oh well. Can't put the gay genie back in the bottle now.

technically none of the privates will know for sure, unless any commander leak out the info. which is unprofessional, in my opinion. yeah, i guess cuz people call him gay already before he declared. the other side reason he declared is to change vocation cuz he heard that can down pes. so he didn't wanna be under combat fit. he wanna be a clerk instead. 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, HarrizZhafran said:

technically none of the privates will know for sure, unless any commander leak out the info. which is unprofessional, in my opinion. yeah, i guess cuz people call him gay already before he declared. the other side reason he declared is to change vocation cuz he heard that can down pes. so he didn't wanna be under combat fit. he wanna be a clerk instead. 

 

That is a pathetic reason. Well during the interviews, it will most likely be identified as intended skivving. And will go on record. You have a very pathetic thing for a friend hope you realise.

[HarrizZhafran]

27 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

That is a pathetic reason. Well during the interviews, it will most likely be identified as intended skivving. And will go on record. You have a very pathetic thing for a friend hope you realise.

intended skivving? what's that? there's no way anyone would know this other reason unless he confesses to it.. which i don't think he would as he can get into trouble for that.

[CKW]

4 hours ago, HarrizZhafran said:

so far nope.. he was given excuse stay in and light duty to minimise his interaction with the rest of his company. what im scared is people may guess after some time.. considering he's not well-liked in camp already, his company mates may find this more reason to hate on him. 

 

I see. I often wondered what really would happen if you declare. 

 

Actually, I still feel that he should not have declared because it can cause unnecessary anxiety and stress. And like in your friend's case, it can give nasty people an excuse to tekan, ostracise, or persecute him. (I believe most decent NSFs and commanders will not harass him about it; only the nasty and immature ones will.)

 

Hope the rest of his NS is okay. 

[HarrizZhafran]

11 hours ago, CKW said:

 

I see. I often wondered what really would happen if you declare. 

 

Actually, I still feel that he should not have declared because it can cause unnecessary anxiety and stress. And like in your friend's case, it can give nasty people an excuse to tekan, ostracise, or persecute him. (I believe most decent NSFs and commanders will not harass him about it; only the nasty and immature ones will.)

 

Hope the rest of his NS is okay. 

yeah.. hope he'll be able to get to a better place because it's not like he wanna get exempted from ns.. it's just that he prefers being a clerk rather than being combat fit. there will definitely be a shock for everyone when they learn he's on excuse stay in till next year. 

[abang]

Honestly what is the REAL motive behind the 302 status?

Before the medical board, the candidate is subject to a series of so-called medical examinations to assess his mental state.  His parents are called and unless he has very understanding parents, it would be a major family issue.

 

OK all done and now it is medical board time.  3 senior medical officers sit on the board (if I recalled correctly on Friday afternoons) and swiftly give their irrevocable verdict.  The wait between the medical board and the results of the medical board to the final posting of a new vocation takes months. 

 

In the meantime, almost everyone who are not in the know knows your medical condition as it is NOT a secret anymore.  OK, the revocation is confirmed but aiyah, you expect a change to an office environment. However it is still the army and worst, all the military slangs, insults continued.  You are scorned for "Keng-ing" because you are no longer allowed to stay in camp after dark but you still need to participate in all day-time activities - yes, all those good-duty (GD) stuff and the physical exercises too...

 

So before one takes the leap of faith, re-ponder on the decision.  Declaring the status is NOT a way out of those strenuous stuff and physical demands.  Are you able to live through the torment of name-calling and tease for the rest of your service?  

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, abang said:

Honestly what is the REAL motive behind the 302 status?

Before the medical board, the candidate is subject to a series of so-called medical examinations to assess his mental state.  His parents are called and unless he has very understanding parents, it would be a major family issue.

 

OK all done and now it is medical board time.  3 senior medical officers sit on the board (if I recalled correctly on Friday afternoons) and swiftly give their irrevocable verdict.  The wait between the medical board and the results of the medical board to the final posting of a new vocation takes months. 

 

In the meantime, almost everyone who are not in the know knows your medical condition as it is NOT a secret anymore.  OK, the revocation is confirmed but aiyah, you expect a change to an office environment. However it is still the army and worst, all the military slangs, insults continued.  You are scorned for "Keng-ing" because you are no longer allowed to stay in camp after dark but you still need to participate in all day-time activities - yes, all those good-duty (GD) stuff and the physical exercises too...

 

So before one takes the leap of faith, re-ponder on the decision.  Declaring the status is NOT a way out of those strenuous stuff and physical demands.  Are you able to live through the torment of name-calling and tease for the rest of your service?  

Lol, I didn’t know about the prohibition on 302s staying in camp after dark. Similar policy in the Forbidden City of old, when intact men were required to leave after dark and only eunuchs remained. 

[HarrizZhafran]

4 hours ago, abang said:

Honestly what is the REAL motive behind the 302 status?

Before the medical board, the candidate is subject to a series of so-called medical examinations to assess his mental state.  His parents are called and unless he has very understanding parents, it would be a major family issue.

 

OK all done and now it is medical board time.  3 senior medical officers sit on the board (if I recalled correctly on Friday afternoons) and swiftly give their irrevocable verdict.  The wait between the medical board and the results of the medical board to the final posting of a new vocation takes months. 

 

In the meantime, almost everyone who are not in the know knows your medical condition as it is NOT a secret anymore.  OK, the revocation is confirmed but aiyah, you expect a change to an office environment. However it is still the army and worst, all the military slangs, insults continued.  You are scorned for "Keng-ing" because you are no longer allowed to stay in camp after dark but you still need to participate in all day-time activities - yes, all those good-duty (GD) stuff and the physical exercises too...

 

So before one takes the leap of faith, re-ponder on the decision.  Declaring the status is NOT a way out of those strenuous stuff and physical demands.  Are you able to live through the torment of name-calling and tease for the rest of your service?  

how would everyone know for sure when it's confidential? what are good-duty stuff?

[abang]

Good duty = General duty...or in army terms, sai gang..shit jobs

[AlVinyl]

14 hours ago, HarrizZhafran said:

how would everyone know for sure when it's confidential? what are good-duty stuff?

Few years back when I served, they would indicate on the medical docket who is 302 and such (not sure about now) And thus anyone who handles the medical docket would know, and more likely than not, people would talk amongst themselves in the office and news travel.. TA-DAH, more people know of the supposedly confidential status.

[HarrizZhafran]

4 hours ago, AlVinyl said:

Few years back when I served, they would indicate on the medical docket who is 302 and such (not sure about now) And thus anyone who handles the medical docket would know, and more likely than not, people would talk amongst themselves in the office and news travel.. TA-DAH, more people know of the supposedly confidential status.

i thought that it'll be strictly confidential.. so now my friend needs to get out as soon as possible?

[suckmegood]

3 hours ago, HarrizZhafran said:

i thought that it'll be strictly confidential.. so now my friend needs to get out as soon as possible?

 

It is supposed to be confidential. But how many times confidential info got leaked? So long the info is handled by a living human, news will spread.  

[Guest Cuzz]

That is right. It is 'supposed' to be confidential, but people talk to people, and those people talk to people. Furthermore, your friend's unit will notice that his assignments and duties have changed, and begin to speculate over the reason. Even if nobody tells them, they already have their own suspicions, and will figure it out for themselves.

 

Your friend has not helped himself. So he will transfer from combat fit to clerk duty? But this takes a while. In the end, he will have done about half of his NS in combat fit anyway, so he might as well have stayed in combat fit the entire time. The younger generation need to stop defining themselves based highly on one's sexual orientation.

[Summerbitch]

On 22/10/2017 at 7:29 AM, abang said:

Honestly what is the REAL motive behind the 302 status?

Before the medical board, the candidate is subject to a series of so-called medical examinations to assess his mental state.  His parents are called and unless he has very understanding parents, it would be a major family issue.

 

OK all done and now it is medical board time.  3 senior medical officers sit on the board (if I recalled correctly on Friday afternoons) and swiftly give their irrevocable verdict.  The wait between the medical board and the results of the medical board to the final posting of a new vocation takes months. 

 

In the meantime, almost everyone who are not in the know knows your medical condition as it is NOT a secret anymore.  OK, the revocation is confirmed but aiyah, you expect a change to an office environment. However it is still the army and worst, all the military slangs, insults continued.  You are scorned for "Keng-ing" because you are no longer allowed to stay in camp after dark but you still need to participate in all day-time activities - yes, all those good-duty (GD) stuff and the physical exercises too...

 

So before one takes the leap of faith, re-ponder on the decision.  Declaring the status is NOT a way out of those strenuous stuff and physical demands.  Are you able to live through the torment of name-calling and tease for the rest of your service?  

Abang.. different generation already la...

Last I checked (before i die die want to declare) they don't inform parents anymore..

 

Instead of 3 reviews, I only had one. I brought it up and ask my mindef specialist why, he said cause he is high enough and that's why don't need. All I need to do was to wait in camp for my MO to call me up to go sign.

 

As for revocation, most likely no revocation. Cause after I declared, I sort of being made as the "expert" in my unit. And whenever there's new batch of newly pop privates come in, and if any of them want to declare, the officers will ask me to go counsel or tell them what happened. In the end only 2 went to declare after me. 1 stay with my unit, same as me, didn't get revocationalised but he got sign paper... another got transfer to another unit after he passed his course also got sign the paper from what he told me.

 

So based on what little that I know and experienced, I find that it's a waste of time to declare. Nothing change. Except the officers will treat you better. HAHAHAHAHA and that those closeted guys will approach you secretly.

[cutejack]

1 hour ago, Summerbitch said:

Abang.. different generation already la...

Last I checked (before i die die want to declare) they don't inform parents anymore..

 

Instead of 3 reviews, I only had one. I brought it up and ask my mindef specialist why, he said cause he is high enough and that's why don't need. All I need to do was to wait in camp for my MO to call me up to go sign.

 

As for revocation, most likely no revocation. Cause after I declared, I sort of being made as the "expert" in my unit. And whenever there's new batch of newly pop privates come in, and if any of them want to declare, the officers will ask me to go counsel or tell them what happened. In the end only 2 went to declare after me. 1 stay with my unit, same as me, didn't get revocationalised but he got sign paper... another got transfer to another unit after he passed his course also got sign the paper from what he told me.

 

So based on what little that I know and experienced, I find that it's a waste of time to declare. Nothing change. Except the officers will treat you better. HAHAHAHAHA and that those closeted guys will approach you secretly.

Approach for?

[abang]

Sorry if there is no "perks", why bother to be labelled?

[LeanMature]

On 21/10/2017 at 2:36 PM, CKW said:

 

Oh I see.

 

Actually, a lot of gay guys don't declare, because they feel it's none of the SAF's business  

 

Did anything bad happen to him after he declared? Sorry if you might have mentioned above. Thread too long to read  LOL

 

Most don't declare.  Those who do are usually posted to non-combat units.  If they remain in combat units, they are not allowed to stay in.  So if you want some fun at night, better don't declare.

[lovehandle]

19 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

Most don't declare.  Those who do are usually posted to non-combat units.  If they remain in combat units, they are not allowed to stay in.  So if you want some fun at night, better don't declare.

eeeeeeee so now why all of you have fun stories to report

 

cos all choose not to declare for a clear reason

[EasleyLim]

5 hours ago, Summerbitch said:

Abang.. different generation already la...

Last I checked (before i die die want to declare) they don't inform parents anymore..

 

Instead of 3 reviews, I only had one. I brought it up and ask my mindef specialist why, he said cause he is high enough and that's why don't need. All I need to do was to wait in camp for my MO to call me up to go sign.

 

As for revocation, most likely no revocation. Cause after I declared, I sort of being made as the "expert" in my unit. And whenever there's new batch of newly pop privates come in, and if any of them want to declare, the officers will ask me to go counsel or tell them what happened. In the end only 2 went to declare after me. 1 stay with my unit, same as me, didn't get revocationalised but he got sign paper... another got transfer to another unit after he passed his course also got sign the paper from what he told me.

 

So based on what little that I know and experienced, I find that it's a waste of time to declare. Nothing change. Except the officers will treat you better. HAHAHAHAHA and that those closeted guys will approach you secretly.

 

Lol you became SME on 302? 

[superflawless]

I believe there's no reservists for 302.

At least not for me. But then I declared during the 90s, so I cannot attest to the current situation.

 

[Heyhihello]

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[robin]

I will question why the need to declare 302. If it is for the sake of staying out or a lighter vocation, there are other ways.

Once it is declared & kept in record, yiu do not know what it will be used for.

[HarrizZhafran]

On 24/10/2017 at 7:36 AM, Summerbitch said:

Abang.. different generation already la...

Last I checked (before i die die want to declare) they don't inform parents anymore..

 

Instead of 3 reviews, I only had one. I brought it up and ask my mindef specialist why, he said cause he is high enough and that's why don't need. All I need to do was to wait in camp for my MO to call me up to go sign.

 

As for revocation, most likely no revocation. Cause after I declared, I sort of being made as the "expert" in my unit. And whenever there's new batch of newly pop privates come in, and if any of them want to declare, the officers will ask me to go counsel or tell them what happened. In the end only 2 went to declare after me. 1 stay with my unit, same as me, didn't get revocationalised but he got sign paper... another got transfer to another unit after he passed his course also got sign the paper from what he told me.

 

So based on what little that I know and experienced, I find that it's a waste of time to declare. Nothing change. Except the officers will treat you better. HAHAHAHAHA and that those closeted guys will approach you secretly.

'expert' in what way? so if you were not revocationalized, what did you do in your camp then?