PaterTenebrarum Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Thickwhite, finally, this is my fave B52s song, from the Cosmic Thing album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Here's my favourite Damien Rice song.Prague Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Love Damien Rice.What about Muse? Probably the most popular alternative band among the mainstream crowd right now. I like pretty much three album of theirs, from Origin of Symmetry through Absolution to Black Holes and Revelations, they were pretty good. Below is them channeling Queen's spirit: Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umbrellaboi Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Florence and the machine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) B-52s Rock Lobster always brings a smile to my face.Jo Hamilton. I like the second song. Sounds very Flo and the Mach.The Irrepressibles... Edited November 20, 2011 by glowingember Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Watched Drive a few weeks back.Ryan Gosling exudes 'coolness'.Here's the movie intro with Kavinsky's song Nightcall.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMGF312PYtU Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Another track from Drive.This is Desire with Under Your Spell.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKYT5gGiZ3wCarey Mulligen looks so sweet and Ryan hmm.... Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 saturday's tune smoothing out. Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I'm not a fan of KoЯn, neither do I think that the song below is a five-star, but I admire their bold career move. We've heard dubstep everywhere from indie favorite James Blake to commercial megastar Britney Spears, but they are always confined in the electronica/dance music scene. Narcissistic Cannibal, their recent single, is probably the first song ever to incorporate elements of dubstep into a rock song. Not entirely surprised, though, KoЯn pretty much (for better or worse) invented a whole new genre of nu metal back in the mid-1990s. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 80s New York band Book of Love - Pretty Boys and Pretty GirlsWhen I'm without pretty boys,I dream about pretty girls. Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 sunday's almost over.MSTRKRFT X John Legend Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 La Roux! From 2009 Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 i was this close to posting the same track yesterday.glad that you beat me to that.good morning everyone, monday's a chockful to swallow.and this to fast forward to friday. Jessica 6, vocal contributor for Hercules and Love Affair. Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Back to the subject of a girl with a piano.I've brought out Regina Spektor in this thread before, but the song I posted (Samson) was from her Tori Amos-lite Soviet Kitsch days. Soviet Kitsch was consciously indie and unpolished, but her subsequent works prove that she's one of those few alternative musicians who are not afraid of borrowing direct pop hooks into their compositions, and at the same time, maintain a certain amount of originality and quirkiness that none other can pull; which is why I'm a bit surprised that she isn't as commercially successful as she could have been. Maybe the mainstream market was too into hip-hop and monotonous beats to care. If I kiss you where it's sore, will you feel better? Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Jessica 6 - I like.Wonder if she's related to Vanity 6 or Appollonia 6.She's like the Euro versionRegina Spektor - I have the E-e-e-e-e CD. She's like Tori Amos, Kate Bush and Sara Bareilles all rolled into one.I didn't catch Prince Caspian movie but this is a nice song to sing along to. Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) gt the flying club cup on the playlist on repeat.kinda stuck with beirut's charm yet again.this track struck me with its melancholic accoutrement. Edited November 28, 2011 by ziddyzid Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Not too sure if anyone remembers Lisa Loeb, she's pretty much the first artist to reach the top of the Billboard chart without having been signed to any recording contract. Regina Spektor - I have the E-e-e-e-e CD. She's like Tori Amos, Kate Bush and Sara Bareilles all rolled into one.What's the E-e-e-e-e CD? Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Regina Spektor...:-)The CD is actually Far (couldn't remember it while I was typing)In the CD, there is this song e-e-e-e-e-eet Lisa Loeb - haven't heard this song for a while...remembering the 90s...Remembered watching the movie Reality Bites and Gen X. Edited November 29, 2011 by glowingember Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Regina Spektor...:-)The CD is actually Far (couldn't remember it while I was typing)In the CD, there is this song e-e-e-e-e-eetAh, of course. That was a nice song.Far is good, but Begin to Hope is better and Soviet Kitsch is her magnum opus.I like the indie release 11:11 too; very very raw but showcases how much she can do with minimal arrangements (see the two songs below). Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Just wanna ask your take on Bjork's just released Biophilia in its entirety? I've just got it and personally, it's more of the same Bjork chic except for a few yawn tracks (Moon, Solstice) and a few outstanding ones (Mutual Core, Crystalline, Cosmonogy)....some of her tracks seem like they belong to some art film soundtrack with a full orchestra backing.I've given my two cents on this before, but my opinion has changed.Initially, I have been critical of this album, but surprisingly it has grown its charm on me. I still think this is one of Bjork's lesser works, but I don't think it's a weak album anymore. Aside from the tracks you mentioned (although I'm not a big fan of Crystalline), I'll also add the Vespertine-lite Virus and especially the Tesla coil-coated Thunderstorm as the highlights. I'm not sure what Tesla coil really is, but those bassy crackling distortion sound it created near the end of the song is freaking gorgeous.I even like Moon. But Solstice is indeed the most yawn-inducing Bjork song ever. Edited November 29, 2011 by derryfawne Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jayy Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Discovered this song watching the movie "Drive". It came on at a particular scene and it was so fitting I just had to look it up immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrapada Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Love his rendition of this song.. Great energy in how all the people are enjoying themselves, to the music to the beatto each other on stage. That guy has one heck of a soulful voice too! Quote Art makes the world go round! Love is the entirety of it! blog: www.confusedfella.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 @ConfusedFella - the rendition is very nice. The lead singer sings like Gypsy Kings. Where's he from?@jayy - I watched the movie too! It's very Hong Kong Chow Yun Fatt style. And the soundtrack has a very cool but detached feel to it. Maybe to keep to the theme of the movie. @DF - Bjork is too out there for me this time. But the vids are very beautiful. Here's a song by Dinah Washington remixed by the Verve.Is you or is you ain't my baby?So let's dance Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theOthertruth Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Good morning everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 It's cool to see more contributors on this thread.Bring in more diversity of taste to the thread, more ways to expand our musical pallette.Love his rendition of this song.. Great energy in how all the people are enjoying themselves, to the music to the beatto each other on stage. That guy has one heck of a soulful voice too! Good morning everybody.Welcome to the board!St. Vincent is cool. She's one of those artists that I appreciate, but not quite a fan of. Think this song is close to buying me over.I have all her three albums but haven't really listened to them. Maybe I should push her to the top of the to-be-listened list soon. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Some Vanessa Carlton here. Her songs are mostly piano-pop, although a good number of the songs from her second album, Harmonium, are pretty experimental that she would fit nicely on the alternative scene. The song I'm posting here is White Houses, which I always take as the song about losing it for the first time. And I like how the vibe of the song is not some emo bullcrap or horny nonsense; instead, it gives out a very comforting nostalgic bouncy feel. Makes sex sound beautiful. My first time, hard to explainRush of blood, oh, and a little bit of painOn a cloudy day, it's more common than you thinkHe's my first mistake Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm so gonna get arrested...Sneaking in Britney Spears...from her crazy era - Blackout CD.I've never heard this song played anywhere except on my ipod. The song is soaked in sex. Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 RedemptionThis is Bon Iver and their Grammy-nominated song Holocene Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thick.white Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Kate Bush's new album....What a disappointment! 50 Words for Snow....more like 50 Words for Boring.. I was hoping for a return to the style of her earlier albums, but instead she gives us Enya-like mush. I love both Kate and Enya's earlier music, but when every song just sounds the same as the last one and the whole album is all the same, there is something wrong!Apologies to those who enjoyed it. Just my disappointed opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 First heard of St Vincent from SYTYCD.This is a stripped down version of Paris is burning. Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Kate Bush's new album....What a disappointment! 50 Words for Snow....more like 50 Words for Boring.. I was hoping for a return to the style of her earlier albums, but instead she gives us Enya-like mush.I love both Kate and Enya's earlier music, but when every song just sounds the same as the last one and the whole album is all the same, there is something wrong!Apologies to those who enjoyed it. Just my disappointed opinion!I can understand where you're coming from.It's certainly no Dreaming or Hounds of Love; but I think it's still pretty good haha.I'm so gonna get arrested...Sneaking in Britney Spears...from her crazy era - Blackout CD.I've never heard this song played anywhere except on my ipod.The song is soaked in sex.I like Britney too, haha. I'm a pop apologist, believing that even some of the most commercial singers may have artistic merits. Edited December 2, 2011 by derryfawne Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 What about M.I.A.?Not too sure if I've brought her out before. I loathed her at first listen, sounded like some really bizarre hip-hop music. But over time, I learned to appreciate her creativity and exotic approach to urban music. Paper Planes is widely-acclaimed as one of the best songs in the 2000s, and rightly so. Those gunshots and ka-chings in the refrain are really strategic. (Of course, the song carries political messages too. But it works even if we're judging it fully as an ear-candy.) Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Clearly a display of how underground urban music dwelving into realism around.Heard of her way back then. Brash underground hip hop intermixed with diverse cultural influence is reflected upon many of her works. From her own Tamil undertones in "XXXO" to baile funk she exploited in "Bucky Gone Done". I like the spontaneity of the whole spectrum. My favourite after "Paper Planes" Friday it is and we have the XX covering the grounds of Florence + the Machine's You Got The Love.Enjoy. Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) MIA Paper Planes...first time hearing it. I like. Neneh Cherry is another singer/rapper I like. Thought she's very classy in her bad-mama style.This is her rap/hip hop version of Cole Porter's I've got you under my skin. Another one: Edited December 3, 2011 by glowingember Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jayy Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 @derryfawne I do like myself some MIA too, she has a really fresh style.@glowingember I've loved Get Naked ever since that album was released. Pure pop perfection.Since you guys are sneaking in pop, I shall too. I didn't even know this song till I heard it on X Factor though. Mad vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) @jayy - I'd normally skip Demi Lovato (and Selena Gomez) but Drew from X-Factor did a wonderful performance on the song. It's quite a good song.Just found this on my Ipod. Like it instantly.My favourite vulnerable male singer... Chris Garneau and his unplugged 'The Leaving Song'. Edited December 3, 2011 by glowingember Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Back to alternative, lol.Something from the 1990s. This is definitely one of Garbage's best tunes:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HBxUWSxcq8 Edited December 4, 2011 by derryfawne dreamer 1 Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jayy Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Love Garbage too. My favourite tune: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Cool. For those who like the '1990s girls can rock' scene, here's more: Very, very catchy. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowingember Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Ah Ah Ah Ah AhLiving without youAh Ah Ah Ah AhKnow all about you...Garbage - Specialhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cj_sPyOpcg Edited December 5, 2011 by glowingember Quote After all, tomorrow is another day. ~ S O'Hara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 More 1990s angsty grrrrl-can-rock.What do you all think about Alanis? Gifted singer-songwriter? Pre-fabricated hack? Manufactured for the mass but is equipped with undeniable knack for catchy melodies? Whatever it is, Jagged Little Pill is already the best-selling alternative rock album in the world (oh well, actually second... to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon).I think Alanis is a mildly entertaining singer-songwriter who definitely has her own place in the post-Nirvana world. Alternative purists may hate her, but she crafts hooks better than most obscure Pitchfork-approved acts that will come and go. And she'll have the last laughter, as her name goes down the history. These are my favorite tunes from her: Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Speaking of Pink Floyd, although I agree with the critical consensus that they hit prime with the three 1970 monster albums (The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, The Wall) and one unjustly underrated 1970 masterpiece (Animals), my personal favorite album from them actually dates back to their 1967 debut (my favorite tune from the album below). I think Syd Barrett is a mad talent (pun freaking intended). I like The Dark Side of the Moon of course, but I think OK Computer is much much better. Blame it on my young age, if you wish. Anyway, my favorite from Dark Side:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcG47CpsU6c Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theOthertruth Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 And it's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I like Belle & Sebastian too. Wanted to push them to the top of my 'must-listen' since months ago but haven't really did. *palmface*And since I was talking about Radiohead earlier, I suddenly get reminded about the following fan-made video from Indonesia. Really, really nice animated depiction of war. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeshirt Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 B&S's Stuart Murdoch side project God Help The Girl is pretty good too. And there're plenty of good grrrl groups in recent years. My fave is probably Dum Dum Girls, all killer looks and killer hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziddyzid Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 poetry in caution eternalized for a rose' Quote oh well the devil makes us sin but we like it when we're spinning, in his grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckisms Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 This thread needs more M83.New album, amazing. Period. Also, nobody talks about Alanis without mentioning Tori Amos!It's kinda disgusting to see that 10 + years later, that genre's shrunk by so much and replaced by... you know what.Even Sarah Mclachlan barely registers nowadays (she's mahn-streem but screw that).Did anyone hear of Zola Jesus though? The album's good stuff, but don't get your panties into a wad- can get quite emotional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Also, nobody talks about Alanis without mentioning Tori Amos!It's kinda disgusting to see that 10 + years later, that genre's shrunk by so much and replaced by... you know what.Even Sarah Mclachlan barely registers nowadays (she's mahn-streem but screw that).Did anyone hear of Zola Jesus though? The album's good stuff, but don't get your panties into a wad- can get quite emotional. Tori has been discussed lots and lots of times here. Probably one of the few artists that are recognized as favorites by most regular contributors in the thread. But it's true how Alanis and Tori both tackles their lyrics on a very personal level, and both tries really hard in their lyrics (one with cryptic metaphors, the other with wordplay repetition), and both started with very questionable career choice (Y Kant Tori Read, Alanis' Debbie Gibson-wannabe records).Sarah, on the other hand, though her post-Surfacing music is kind of mainstream, I don't think she's ever that much commercially successful (aside for that one album: Surfacing). Most Lilith Fair artists like Sarah just don't fit in to the general mainstream trend, they're more geared towards adult contemporary. Jewel and Alanis are pretty much the pinnacle of this genre in terms of commercial success (quite unfortunately), and the feat is somehow carried back to life for a short while in 2002 with Avril/Michelle/Vanessa (if you want to count them, of course... most people won't because they are too MTV-friendly, but I gotta say that they're not that bad).Zola Jesus sounds like a stripped-down Florence + the Machine. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckisms Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I don't mind Vanessa though, her newest album was actually quite pleasant and dreamy, Harmonium-like. Avril's hanging on, but Michelle has pretty much lost it.Maybe it's the amount of adult contemp that has gotten to me, but I think Sarah got much more airplay than Tori (virtually none on our shores) and Alanis (other that Ironic-not)Zola's way more violent with her electronic instrumentation when it's not acoustic compared to Flo, though (don't see the comparison other than the drama and melisma).Sounds like what a serious version of How to Destroy Angels (Reznor + Wife) could be. Reznor's totally mellowed out into film scores though, but Starfxxkers is still ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derryfawne Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I don't mind Vanessa though, her newest album was actually quite pleasant and dreamy, Harmonium-like. Avril's hanging on, but Michelle has pretty much lost it.Maybe it's the amount of adult contemp that has gotten to me, but I think Sarah got much more airplay than Tori (virtually none on our shores) and Alanis (other that Ironic-not)Zola's way more violent with her electronic instrumentation when it's not acoustic compared to Flo, though (don't see the comparison other than the drama and melisma).Sounds like what a serious version of How to Destroy Angels (Reznor + Wife) could be. Reznor's totally mellowed out into film scores though, but Starfxxkers is still ace.I think Avril, Michelle, and Vanessa, all of them still has it. But Avril aside, I don't see any of them peaking back into commercial conscience anymore.I hope you didn't miss Loud Music, though. I'd agree with you about Michelle after a couple of lackluster non-hits in This Way and Sooner Or Later (and a lackluster EP to go with it), but Loud Music is pretty strong. Cool guitar scratches in the verses, unexpected melodic twist, and just one point away from being one of her best tunes because for such a title, I would expect a chorus that smacks me in the head.Yes, it's the drama that I saw in Zola. Also, her singing technique reminds me a lot of Florence; her tendency to sing in mid-register with nose-y resonance.Now, Trent Reznor. I still don't understand why he decided to do all these post-ambient thing. I think Year Zero is his last output that I can call myself a fan of. I had a rough start with Trent Reznor, though. My first album of anything Trent-related was With Teeth, which I bought because I love the cover for no apparent reason:Of course, I have heard all sort of stuff about them before. This is sort of an industrial-influenced music, expect some really ugly instruments and such. Then Track 2 (You Know What You Are) came and it was a total assault on the ear. Well, at least that prepared my ear for more difficult industrial outfits like Ministry and Einsturzende Neubauten.Still not a big industrial fan, though. Quote “Do not take life too seriously. You’ll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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