PREP / Truvada Discussion : All discussion on PrEP & it's side effects(Compiled)

[Traveler3032]

Using condoms consistently for anal sex is the best solution. From what I know, you need to monitor your blood and kidney functions while on PrEP. If you bareback while on it, you can catch other STDs. I have been sexually active for the past two decades, and have never contracted STDs because I stick to the condom use. Nowadays, HIV infection is no longer a death sentence. But still why do we want to deal with a chronical disease which can be prevented?  

[wolfz]

PrEP doesn't protect you from all the other STIs out there....and even for HIV it's only 90-something % effective, so there's still a risk of getting HIV.

 

In an ideal world where everyone gets tested regularly, HIV negative people all take PrEP, and HIV positive people take their meds religiously, both/all parties do their part to prevent the transmission of HIV and the risk will truly be negligible. Unfortunately , I think we've still got some ways to go before we can reach that. Until then please remember that although PrEP does drastically reduce the chances of getting HIV, the risk still remains albeit small.

 

Do consider twice if you wish to undertake this risk that will affect the rest of your life. Even if you do get HIV meds you will still have to be on meds permanently. And your medical status may have effects on work, immigration, and other areas of your life. You may enjoy the bareback sex for say 30 mins or an hour, but the burden and other effects of HIV will haunt you for life.

[lovehandle]

  On 1/8/2018 at 11:31 PM, Magicerife said:

Condom’s the cheaper option if you ain’t using those expensive special condoms lo. You can easily get like a hundred for only 20 bucks from AFA I think? But Wah. Fuck once a day. So much time and energy. 

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those who opted Prep is obviously for a very gd reason, though they will tend to mask it w some other gd excuses

  On 1/9/2018 at 11:25 PM, Traveler3032 said:

Using condoms consistently for anal sex is the best solution. From what I know, you need to monitor your blood and kidney functions while on PrEP. If you bareback while on it, you can catch other STDs. I have been sexually active for the past two decades, and have never contracted STDs because I stick to the condom use. Nowadays, HIV infection is no longer a death sentence. But still why do we want to deal with a chronical disease which can be prevented?  

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[Guest Disgusted]

Really tempted to delete it as almost 80% of them have status on prep, seems like many are having bareback sex. Maybe even more as not everyone are that honest.

[Guest Dont]

On prep doesn’t mean they do bb. It’s just an added measures to deter hiv infection. Don’t assume. If Not sure, you can always say “strictly safe fun only”. If not sure about their status, ask. If not sure if you can trust them, then don’t do it at all. 

[Guest Dont be naive]

  On 4/12/2018 at 11:59 PM, Guest Dont said:

On prep doesn’t mean they do bb. It’s just an added measures to deter hiv infection. Don’t assume. If Not sure, you can always say “strictly safe fun only”. If not sure about their status, ask. If not sure if you can trust them, then don’t do it at all. 

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Apparently they would only take medicine if they know they frequently engage in unsafe sex acts, dont assume what? Sad community.

[Guest Nonsense]

That’s your view and your assumptions based on your encounters. 

 

Prep is a preventive measure. Like vaccines and other medication and supplements.

 You take flu jab is to increase your immunity to prevent getting flu. Does it mean you’re actively seeking to get flu from others?  You take vit c and other supplements/health booster cos you want to stay healthy and hope to prevent getting sick, that doesn’t mean you will or want to keep exposing yourself to sick people. 

 

I know people who take prep to reduce the chance of getting infected, and one can get infected by many ways other than bareback fuck. They just took it because they engaged in casual sex other than their partners and they wouldn’t want to infect their partners. That’s called being responsible (and pls don’t argue that being responsible is to not fuck around when you have bf, because fuck you you little holy innocent angel who think you’ll not fuck around when attached, not everyone is a cute little angel that you are)

 

Go back to your fucking school and learn bio. All bareback fucks are unsafe act. But not all unsafe acts are bareback fuck. Sad community is entirely your fucking opinion. 

[Guest :-(]

Casual sex is a big no no for me. Too many hiv gays out there eeeeewwwww

[Vometra]

Just wondering ... how do they get their prep? Do they take it every single day with or without sex? Isn't it bad for health with the side effects and all?

[fourth]

  On 4/13/2018 at 3:54 AM, Guest Nonsense said:

That’s your view and your assumptions based on your encounters. 

 

Prep is a preventive measure. Like vaccines and other medication and supplements.

 You take flu jab is to increase your immunity to prevent getting flu. Does it mean you’re actively seeking to get flu from others?  You take vit c and other supplements/health booster cos you want to stay healthy and hope to prevent getting sick, that doesn’t mean you will or want to keep exposing yourself to sick people. 

 

I know people who take prep to reduce the chance of getting infected, and one can get infected by many ways other than bareback fuck. They just took it because they engaged in casual sex other than their partners and they wouldn’t want to infect their partners. That’s called being responsible (and pls don’t argue that being responsible is to not fuck around when you have bf, because fuck you you little holy innocent angel who think you’ll not fuck around when attached, not everyone is a cute little angel that you are)

 

Go back to your fucking school and learn bio. All bareback fucks are unsafe act. But not all unsafe acts are bareback fuck. Sad community is entirely your fucking opinion. 

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why isn't there a like button for this. Bravo! =)

[fourth]

  On 4/13/2018 at 4:34 AM, Vometra said:

Just wondering ... how do they get their prep? Do they take it every single day with or without sex? Isn't it bad for health with the side effects and all?

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google Prep Singapore. they bring in Teno-EM from Thailand. a bottle costs 50sgd if you buy when you're in bkk, but they charge you 65. i think it's fair to let them earn some, cuz otherwise the other ways to get PrEP in sg is just too bloody damn ex.

 

https://prepsingapore.com/en/

 

https://prepsingapore.com/en/home/9-teno-em.html

 

i get mine from Cipla from India. Same price, $50, and i have them couriered. reached me within a week.

 

PrEP is an added protection. frankly speaking, who has oral sex with condoms? no, right? 

 

so please get your kidney and liver functions screened before self-medicating. better that way la.

[fourth]

  On 4/13/2018 at 4:34 AM, Vometra said:

Just wondering ... how do they get their prep? Do they take it every single day with or without sex? Isn't it bad for health with the side effects and all?

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https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep

 

there you go.

 

How you best take PrEP depends on how far in advance you plan having sex, how regularly you have sex and not necessarily how much sex you have.

 

There are slightly different recommendations for anal sex and vaginal sex. Switching between dosing options depending on your sexual activity and patterns is totally OK. You can adjust your PrEP regime to best suit you as your situation changes.
 

It is important to be aware that EBD or on demand and 4 pills per week are only suitable for anal sex. Daily PrEP and Holiday PrEP are the only methods of taking PrEP that are suitable for both anal and vaginal sex.

The iPrEx study that led to the approval of PrEP in the US used daily dosing (1 PrEP pill per day) and the UK's PROUD studyalso used PrEP once a day.
 
The French and Canadian Ipergay study looked at taking PrEP on demand ie leading up to a specific sexual event rather than everyday to see if PrEP was also effective in this setting: it was. This study was mainly in men who have sex (MSM) and a small number of trans women. We know that a minimum of 6 pills per week is required for adequate protection for vaginal sex.

Both Ipergay and PROUD returned the same effectiveness rate of 86%. It's worth understanding that "effectiveness" is how well a prevention tool works at reducing transmissions within a group of people. If an individual uses PrEP as instructed it offers almost 100% protection from HIV. No one in either study (Ipergay or PROUD) who took PrEP as directed seroconverted (became HIV positive).

How to take PrEP

The 4 ways to take PrEP

Daily PrEP (1 pill per day)

The lead in time for daily PrEP is 7 days. It is suitable for both anal and vaginal sex.

If taking daily PrEP, it is best to take it at the same time each day so that it becomes part of a routine but a few hours late or early is fine.

 

You can keep your PrEP next to your tooth brush and tooth paste and take your pill each morning after you brush your teeth. It's little things like this that will help you remember to take your PrEP. PrEP is an 'opt in' treatment - it doesn't have to be forever.

 

Be kind to yourself and try to remember to take your pill every day. Your peace of mind and relieving the stress and anxiety that is sometimes involved in staying HIV negative is also hugely important. It’s not just about sex, it's about your head and your heart too.

You can take PrEP with or without food, and at any time of the day.

 

One of the benefits of taking daily PrEP is that you can miss a pill from time to time and still have adequate protection.

Event Based Dosing or on demand PrEP
 

This dosing option is only suitable for anal sex, not vaginal. If you are using PrEP on demand it is really important not to miss any doses.

Because Ipergay is the only study that looked at using PrEP in this way there has been a certain amount of hesitation from advocates and organisations but we are confident there is enough evidence and data from a real world setting to say that Event Based Dosing or on demand PrEP works for anal sex.

If you know that you might have condomless sex 24 hours in advance:

• Take 2 pills 2 - 24 hours before sex

• Take 1 pill 24 hours later

• Take 1 more pill 24 hours after that

If you are having sex for an extended period of time perhaps over a few days or a weekend, continue to take a pill every 24 hours until you have 2 sex free days.

This option is not recommended if you have an active hepatitis B infection as the drugs in PrEP also supress the hepatitis B virus and as such starting and stopping PrEP can lead to viral flare ups and subsequent liver inflammation.

How you best take PrEP depends on how far in advance you plan having sex, how regularly you have sex and not necessarily how much sex you have.

 

There are slightly different recommendations for anal sex and vaginal sex. Switching between dosing options depending on your sexual activity and patterns is totally OK. You can adjust your PrEP regime to best suit you as your situation changes.
 

It is important to be aware that EBD or on demand and 4 pills per week are only suitable for anal sex. Daily PrEP and Holiday PrEP are the only methods of taking PrEP that are suitable for both anal and vaginal sex.

The iPrEx study that led to the approval of PrEP in the US used daily dosing (1 PrEP pill per day) and the UK's PROUD studyalso used PrEP once a day.
 
The French and Canadian Ipergay study looked at taking PrEP on demand ie leading up to a specific sexual event rather than everyday to see if PrEP was also effective in this setting: it was. This study was mainly in men who have sex (MSM) and a small number of trans women. We know that a minimum of 6 pills per week is required for adequate protection for vaginal sex.

Both Ipergay and PROUD returned the same effectiveness rate of 86%. It's worth understanding that "effectiveness" is how well a prevention tool works at reducing transmissions within a group of people. If an individual uses PrEP as instructed it offers almost 100% protection from HIV. No one in either study (Ipergay or PROUD) who took PrEP as directed seroconverted (became HIV positive).

How to take PrEP

The 4 ways to take PrEP

Daily PrEP (1 pill per day)

The lead in time for daily PrEP is 7 days. It is suitable for both anal and vaginal sex.

If taking daily PrEP, it is best to take it at the same time each day so that it becomes part of a routine but a few hours late or early is fine.

 

You can keep your PrEP next to your tooth brush and tooth paste and take your pill each morning after you brush your teeth. It's little things like this that will help you remember to take your PrEP. PrEP is an 'opt in' treatment - it doesn't have to be forever.

 

Be kind to yourself and try to remember to take your pill every day. Your peace of mind and relieving the stress and anxiety that is sometimes involved in staying HIV negative is also hugely important. It’s not just about sex, it's about your head and your heart too.

You can take PrEP with or without food, and at any time of the day.

 

One of the benefits of taking daily PrEP is that you can miss a pill from time to time and still have adequate protection.

Event Based Dosing or on demand PrEP
 

This dosing option is only suitable for anal sex, not vaginal. If you are using PrEP on demand it is really important not to miss any doses.

Because Ipergay is the only study that looked at using PrEP in this way there has been a certain amount of hesitation from advocates and organisations but we are confident there is enough evidence and data from a real world setting to say that Event Based Dosing or on demand PrEP works for anal sex.

If you know that you might have condomless sex 24 hours in advance:

• Take 2 pills 2 - 24 hours before sex

• Take 1 pill 24 hours later

• Take 1 more pill 24 hours after that

If you are having sex for an extended period of time perhaps over a few days or a weekend, continue to take a pill every 24 hours until you have 2 sex free days.

This option is not recommended if you have an active hepatitis B infection as the drugs in PrEP also supress the hepatitis B virus and as such starting and stopping PrEP can lead to viral flare ups and subsequent liver inflammation.

 

If you would like to read more about EBD / on demand PrEP including infographics for examples of dosing please visit theiBase leaflet.

4 pills per week or sometimes called "the Ts and Ss"
 

This dosing option is only suitable for anal sex, not vaginal.
 

We recommend daily dosing for 7 days then stepping down to 4 pills per week.

4 pills per week usually involves taking a pill on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday hence "the Ts and Ss"

15 pills per month was the median (average) number of pills that people in the Ipergay study took, this equates to 4 pills per week. Data suggests that 4 pills per week offers almost the same level of protection as daily.

This option has several benefits. Some people who might only have sex once or twice per month might not want to take a pill everyday if it's only for protection for these 1 or 2 events. 4 pills per week will maintain a good baseline of drug in the system and some people choose to move up to 7 pills per week when they know they are in a more sexually active period.

Some people using PrEP on demand find that they might be taking 4 pills per week most weeks of the month and so opt for structuring this into the Ts and Ss instead.

This dosing option has the benefit of reducing the number of pills taken per month by almost half which in turn reduces the cost per month by almost half.

Although these dosing options don't appear to follow one simple rule of thumb, they are based on study data and as such study data doesn't focus on or contain much in the way of the minutiae of details of real life use of PrEP.

 

 

Holiday PrEP

If you are thinking of using PrEP for a pre-planned block of time where you anticipate your risk of exposure to HIV to be higher due to increased number of partners of unknown HIV status, situations where condoms are not easily or always used, where substances might be used or will be having sex while travelling to a country with a high HIV prevalence then this option is worth considering.

 

This option is suitable for both anal and vaginal sex.

Based on a 7 day period (or holiday) we recommend 7-7-7:

7 days daily dosing before the period
7 days daily dosing during the period (or for as long as the specific period lasts)
7 days daily dosing after the period.

There are a few reasons why we recommend 7 days pre and post. 7 days lead-in has now been recommended as providing adequate levels for both anal and vaginal sex. If you are planning PrEP around a holiday or working trip away and you experience any mild side effects (most people do not experience any side effects) then most of these should have subsided within a week, in time for the pre-planned block of time.

 

1 pot of PrEP (30 pills) will cover a 2 week block. People seem to be more comfortable using this method in week blocks although EBD/on demand as per Ipergay instructions states to dose only for 2 sex free days after the event.

[Vometra]

  On 4/13/2018 at 5:21 AM, fourth said:

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Thanks fourth, really really informative, especially the EBD and Holiday PrEP ...

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[fourth]

Yep! Very good info to know =) If I know I'm going to have a good time with my regular after we have all done our checks (with 4th gen test kits), prep on demand isn't a bad option. 

[Guest Disgusted]

  On 4/13/2018 at 4:31 AM, Guest :-( said:

Casual sex is a big no no for me. Too many hiv gays out there eeeeewwwww

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Its pretty scary seeing as gays in their early 20's already on prep, god knows what dirty acts they have engaged in prior to taking the medicine.

[Ironrod]

  On 4/13/2018 at 6:32 AM, Guest Disgusted said:

Its pretty scary seeing as gays in their early 20's already on prep, god knows what dirty acts they have engaged in prior to taking the medicine.

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I think it's more scary if they don't even try to protect themselves and engaged in sexual acts!!!!

[tomcat]

  On 4/13/2018 at 6:34 AM, Ironrod said:

 

I think it's more scary if they don't even try to protect themselves and engaged in sexual acts!!!!

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THIS. the fact that this even needs to be reiterated as a response is mindblowing. thank you.

 

  On 4/13/2018 at 5:25 AM, fourth said:

If you know that you might have condomless sex 24 hours in advance:

• Take 2 pills 2 - 24 hours before sex

• Take 1 pill 24 hours later

• Take 1 more pill 24 hours after that

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Yup, this is what I have been doing.

 

Since my sexual habits/frequency is quite low, maybe one hookup every 2 months.

It's better to not overload my liver and kidney with taking daily Prep.
if I do find myself having sex with more frequency, only then continue on with 1 per day.

I do feel a abit woozy taking two Prep at one go after a long period.

but the last thing i want is for my body to build a resistance,

which some sites are already reporting in some cases.
so i'd still prefer this than taking 1 daily.

 

also 4 tabs every few months, is also not that big of an expense,

making this preventive medication a feasible and cost-effective option

on top of condoms and other safety measures

 

 

 

 

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[Ben Ben Ben]

Someone told me gays on prep are dirty

is it true?

[tomcat]

well

  On 4/13/2018 at 7:26 AM, Ben Ben Ben said:

Someone told me gays on prep are dirty

is it true?

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it might very well be, altho I don't feel particularly filthy right this moment.

 

but you know what they say, better dirty than dead.

not that HIV is a death sentence anyway,

 

so, yes what exactly is the point of your question again?

slut-shaming is outdated already leh. 

 

 

[fourth]

  On 4/13/2018 at 7:03 AM, tomcat said:

THIS. the fact that this even needs to be reiterated as a response is mindblowing. thank you.

 

Yup, this is what I have been doing.

 

Since my sexual habits/frequency is quite low, maybe one hookup every 2 months.

It's better to not overload my liver and kidney with taking daily Prep.
if I do find myself having sex with more frequency, only then continue on with 1 per day.

I do feel a abit woozy taking two Prep at one go after a long period.

but the last thing i want is for my body to build a resistance,

which some sites are already reporting in some cases.
so i'd still prefer this than taking 1 daily.

 

also 4 tabs every few months, is also not that big of an expense,

making this preventive medication a feasible and cost-effective option

on top of condoms and other safety measures

 

 

 

 

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I do 7 days before and 7 days after.

 

Then on demand, then 5 days after. 

 

Agree. Slut shaming is outdated. Can't stand those ppl. So chaste? Then don't secretly post behind anonymity. 

[Guest guest justicemustbeserved]

@Guest Nonsense  

  On 4/13/2018 at 3:54 AM, Guest Nonsense said:

I know people who take prep to reduce the chance of getting infected, and one can get infected by many ways other than bareback fuck. They just took it because they engaged in casual sex other than their partners and they wouldn’t want to infect their partners. That’s called being responsible (and pls don’t argue that being responsible is to not fuck around when you have bf, because fuck you you little holy innocent angel who think you’ll not fuck around when attached, not everyone is a cute little angel that you are)

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wtf... Being responsible IS not fucking around.. WTF mindset is this sia... you here telling people that that is just his opinion there you are sweeping everyone here... AND PLEASE THIS MINDSET IS FREAKING WRONG. PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE AND LOYAL TO YOUR PARTNER... and pls don't argue that being responsible is to take PreP... like you say there is many MANY other ways to get infected.... pls dont argue!? joker... literally slapping yourself with your own statement...

[Guest Nonsense]

Aww, there you go, cute little angel. Grow up.

[Guest justicemustbeserved]

literally slapping yourself with your own statement~ nothing to say? happily living in your own world then...

[Guest Lol]

  On 4/13/2018 at 11:12 AM, Guest justicemustbeserved said:

literally slapping yourself with your own statement~ nothing to say? happily living in your own world then...

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These prep sluts trying to justify their slut ways of sucking and letting strangers cock rape their loose asshole unprotected is funny.

[Guest Nonsense]

What’s there to say to a baby? Gigigagagugu 

obviousky you’re either too young and childish, old fat ugly poor childish to be hooked up, or simply undesirable to have a bf to say such thing. 

And don’t insult all those guys who visit sauna, polygamist and simply put it, guys who can afford/desirable to fuck around. At least they are doing something to prevent the spread of hiv. And I’m not talking about bareback sex. 

Please, go eat baby food and faster grow up

[Guest justicemustbeserved]

LOL i am happily attached, faithful and responsible. Thanks for the "concern" ya...

Play personal attack when you know you can't argue your way out?

I never insult wor since when? Just saying that the moment they fuck around, they are not responsible in ANY WAY. what atleast they do something to prevent!?!? dafuq reason is that... how can it be an excuse!??! comon, you need to "grow up" your mindset... 
There are things you can't do when you are attached. Unless you tell me is a open relationship then yea, both party agree to it and they should know the risk of fucking around. Just that dont freaking blame each other or anyone if anything happen.

[Guest justicemustbeserved]

can afford to do so? desirable? excuses HAHAHHAHAH

[lean n mean]

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[Vometra]

  On 4/13/2018 at 12:30 PM, lean n mean said:

FYI, the site for Truvada for PrEP has responsibly highlighted possible kidney and liver failure (https://www.truvada.com/what-is-truvada/side-effects) so pls be careful with your choices.

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Yup, dun self medicate, no matter how fit or healthy u feel now ...

Best is get a doctor prescription, and go back for routine check up while on PrEP ...

[blackite]

Anyone want to buy?

[Ben Ben Ben]

I Guess don’t flirt is the right medicine 

[fourth]

  On 4/13/2018 at 10:45 AM, Guest guest justicemustbeserved said:

@Guest Nonsense  

wtf... Being responsible IS not fucking around.. WTF mindset is this sia... you here telling people that that is just his opinion there you are sweeping everyone here... AND PLEASE THIS MINDSET IS FREAKING WRONG. PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE AND LOYAL TO YOUR PARTNER... and pls don't argue that being responsible is to take PreP... like you say there is many MANY other ways to get infected.... pls dont argue!? joker... literally slapping yourself with your own statement...

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uh. open relationships? three way relationships? a quad? who are you to deny relationships of this nature? so if someone from an open relationship takes prep, that's not responsible? utter rubbish! get off your moral high horse. there are way more people having casual fun outside of their so called "monogamous" relationships than you know it. 

 

monogamy is NOT the only way mind you. sheesh.

[Guest Sexy Man]

  On 4/13/2018 at 8:23 AM, fourth said:

 

I do 7 days before and 7 days after.

 

Then on demand, then 5 days after. 

 

Agree. Slut shaming is outdated. Can't stand those ppl. So chaste? Then don't secretly post behind anonymity. 

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Would love to meet you, sexy man! Hi from Australia 

[kjboy]

  On 4/13/2018 at 5:21 AM, fourth said:

 

google Prep Singapore. they bring in Teno-EM from Thailand. a bottle costs 50sgd if you buy when you're in bkk, but they charge you 65. i think it's fair to let them earn some, cuz otherwise the other ways to get PrEP in sg is just too bloody damn ex.

 

https://prepsingapore.com/en/

 

https://prepsingapore.com/en/home/9-teno-em.html

 

i get mine from Cipla from India. Same price, $50, and i have them couriered. reached me within a week.

 

PrEP is an added protection. frankly speaking, who has oral sex with condoms? no, right? 

 

so please get your kidney and liver functions screened before self-medicating. better that way la.

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I did oral with condom. Period.

[fourth]

  On 4/15/2018 at 9:45 AM, kjboy said:

I did oral with condom. Period.

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anyone else?

[kjboy]

  On 4/15/2018 at 10:24 AM, fourth said:

 

anyone else?

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and my 2 buddies

[fourth]

  On 4/15/2018 at 10:25 AM, kjboy said:

and my 2 buddies

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good for u =)

[kjboy]

  On 4/15/2018 at 10:26 AM, fourth said:

 

good for u =)

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good for u too. U can raw~ hehe

[Guest Fakeprep]

Obviously is fake

practise safe sex but gay don’t realise that safe sex don’t exist at all

[fourth]

  On 4/15/2018 at 12:21 PM, Guest Fakeprep said:

Obviously is fake

practise safe sex but gay don’t realise that safe sex don’t exist at all

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whatever hole you crawl out of, please crawl back in.

[tomcat]

  On 4/15/2018 at 7:35 PM, fourth said:

 

whatever hole you crawl out of, please crawl back in.

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yea..it is already 2018, get with the program.

for lack of a better word, it is all so "backward"

 

i can't believe the amount of repressed individuals

or those with moral hang ups and projections.

 

to prove my point, here is a song from 25 years ago.
for all these weirdos who can't get past the idea

that not everyone has to be like them.

the words still ring true, quarter of a century later..lol
i'm not your bitch. don't hang your shit on me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest justicemustbeserved]

  On 4/13/2018 at 6:35 PM, fourth said:

uh. open relationships? three way relationships? a quad? who are you to deny relationships of this nature? so if someone from an open relationship takes prep, that's not responsible? utter rubbish! get off your moral high horse. there are way more people having casual fun outside of their so called "monogamous" relationships than you know it. 

 

monogamy is NOT the only way mind you. sheesh.

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@fourth haiz... that's why I say you all are loving I  your own world... keep personal attacking where you know you can't win the argument... since when I deny or insult or whatsoever shit.. omg please read leh... I JUST SAY IF THEY GET ANY STD IT'S THEIR OWN ISSUE CAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT. and they should not blame anyone but themselves ah... like the canto say. you choose to eat salted fish you know you gonna get thirsty. I don't deny the relationship or whatsoever just saying that its their choice. 

 

being in a monogamous relationship is being responsible to each other... don't keep finding excuses for your dick if you can't just stay to 1 person. 

 

my point is, you want open relationships. then be prepared to take the risk... 

[Guest justicemustbeserved]

living in your own*

[tomcat]

  On 4/16/2018 at 6:31 AM, Guest justicemustbeserved said:

@fourth haiz... that's why I say you all are loving I  your own world... keep personal attacking where you know you can't win the argument... since when I deny or insult or whatsoever shit.. omg please read leh... I JUST SAY IF THEY GET ANY STD IT'S THEIR OWN ISSUE CAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT. and they should not blame anyone but themselves ah... like the canto say. you choose to eat salted fish you know you gonna get thirsty. I don't deny the relationship or whatsoever just saying that its their choice. 

 

being in a monogamous relationship is being responsible to each other... don't keep finding excuses for your dick if you can't just stay to 1 person. 

 

my point is, you want open relationships. then be prepared to take the risk... 

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dude, you fighting with others, but actually you are the one who misunderstand.

the word "Responsibility" has many context in this discussion.

specifically, physical responsibility vs commitment/relationship responsibility.

 

many of the people are talking about the former, while the latter is very subjective.

it really depends on the boundaries of the relationship itself.

 

not sure how gullible you are, or how much salt you eaten before rice

(since you like salted fish) but let me just cut through the bullshit for you.

 

the reality is that a large portion of men who are grinding, hooking up, 

visiting saunas are themselves in monogamous relationships.

 

even better is when both partners are doing it behind each others' back

and both have the delusion that the other is faithful, so they choose to demonise 

preventive medication like Prep, and the people who do try to protect themselves.

you sure your bf is not playing around? how do you make 100% sure?

lock up his cock and cork his ass? what about his naughty mouth?

hmm, please share your foolproof methods.

 

fact is, you can't know 100% for sure,

so you only believe what you can wrap your head around.

who is living in their own world now? 

BYE.



 

 

 

[fourth]

  On 4/16/2018 at 6:31 AM, Guest justicemustbeserved said:

@fourth haiz... that's why I say you all are loving I  your own world... keep personal attacking where you know you can't win the argument... since when I deny or insult or whatsoever shit.. omg please read leh... I JUST SAY IF THEY GET ANY STD IT'S THEIR OWN ISSUE CAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT. and they should not blame anyone but themselves ah... like the canto say. you choose to eat salted fish you know you gonna get thirsty. I don't deny the relationship or whatsoever just saying that its their choice. 

 

being in a monogamous relationship is being responsible to each other... don't keep finding excuses for your dick if you can't just stay to 1 person. 

 

my point is, you want open relationships. then be prepared to take the risk... 

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winning the argument? winning isn't the point. it is your blatant disregard for other forms of relationships that have been proven to work other than monogamy. in your earlier post, that isn't your point. what you were driving across is, if you cheat, then you bear the risk. and you did not take into considerations of other forms of relationships. 

 

you may have overlooked other kinds of relationships at that point. it is possible, right? if that's the case then no issues.

 

my stand is firm: anyone who chooses to take prep is using it as either an added form of protection, or a first layer of protection. so if protection is in place, what's so bad about that?

[fourth]

  On 4/16/2018 at 8:09 AM, tomcat said:

 

 

dude, you fighting with others, but actually you are the one who misunderstand.

the word "Responsibility" has many context in this discussion.

specifically, physical responsibility vs commitment/relationship responsibility.

 

many of the people are talking about the former, while the latter is very subjective.

it really depends on the boundaries of the relationship itself.

 

not sure how gullible you are, or how much salt you eaten before rice

(since you like salted fish) but let me just cut through the bullshit for you.

 

the reality is that a large portion of men who are grinding, hooking up, 

visiting saunas are themselves in monogamous relationships.

 

even better is when both partners are doing it behind each others' back

and both have the delusion that the other is faithful, so they choose to demonise 

preventive medication like Prep, and the people who do try to protect themselves.

you sure your bf is not playing around? how do you make 100% sure?

lock up his cock and cork his ass? what about his naughty mouth?

hmm, please share your foolproof methods.

 

fact is, you can't know 100% for sure,

so you only believe what you can wrap your head around.

who is living in their own world now? 

BYE.



 

 

 

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the reality is that a large portion of men who are grinding, hooking up, 

visiting saunas are themselves in monogamous relationships. 

 

this is the true norm. this can't be more true.

[Guest Nonsense]

 

Don’t waste time on that cute little angel. People got bf, be it imaginary or what, too ugly to lose him so cannot anyhow play. Such a plight.  

 

 

[juzabishanguy]

U' all keep saying until like that is as if there are no more true loyal gays in Sg le...all are more loyal to their own loins....dats quite.......

demoralising........

[Guest justicemhstbeserved]

  On 4/16/2018 at 8:44 AM, fourth said:

 

the reality is that a large portion of men who are grinding, hooking up, 

visiting saunas are themselves in monogamous relationships. 

 

this is the true norm. this can't be more true.

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so many people suicide why don't you suicide? every one does it DOES Not mean that it is RIGHT or you must follow suit right? stop trying to justify or personal attacking others... the more you personal attacking just makes it ugly for yourself covering up... 

[Sticky&Sweet]

  On 4/13/2018 at 3:54 AM, Guest Nonsense said:

That’s your view and your assumptions based on your encounters. 

 

Prep is a preventive measure. Like vaccines and other medication and supplements.

 You take flu jab is to increase your immunity to prevent getting flu. Does it mean you’re actively seeking to get flu from others?  You take vit c and other supplements/health booster cos you want to stay healthy and hope to prevent getting sick, that doesn’t mean you will or want to keep exposing yourself to sick people. 

 

I know people who take prep to reduce the chance of getting infected, and one can get infected by many ways other than bareback fuck. They just took it because they engaged in casual sex other than their partners and they wouldn’t want to infect their partners. That’s called being responsible (and pls don’t argue that being responsible is to not fuck around when you have bf, because fuck you you little holy innocent angel who think you’ll not fuck around when attached, not everyone is a cute little angel that you are)

 

Go back to your fucking school and learn bio. All bareback fucks are unsafe act. But not all unsafe acts are bareback fuck. Sad community is entirely your fucking opinion. 

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Why are you so upset? Haha ... as you said in the first paragraph, people have their views and assumptions mah. And it's based on their encounters. So let it be lah.

 

I don't have Grindr but I go to PlanetRomeo to chat sometimes. You may not believe me, but 10 out of 10 people I chatted who are on PreP ask for bareback sex. I always ask why, and they will always say "Because I'm on PreP. It's OK." But it's not.  

 

As such, I think it is not wrong to say that there IS a group of gay people out there who use PreP just because they want to engage in bareback sex, and that's all there is. In itself, then it is a abuse of PreP because the correct procedure of PreP is to use it with condoms, not without.