What Are Gays Most Worrying Problem about growing old? + Anxiety of growing old (compiled)

[Guest Lao uncle]

On 6/19/2020 at 10:26 AM, Guest Man in Brief said:

Wow!! you just broke record.  The shortest explanation by far from you. Keep it up!!

However,  I would  still suggest an even shorter version you should consider:  "Let's not give a shit of what others think."    Save time, save space and paint the same message.

Unfortunately, you have to  "give a shit of what others think."  If you have social contacts.

It's natural to want to feel being wanted and then you have sex. At my age, the most brutal and direct fear is my attractiveness to others for sex. Call me shallow or whatever, sex don't lie. If someone is not attracted to you, he'll be very direct and rude. 

There's no discrimination worse than those who are themselves discriminated. That's why most old men prefer younger guys. So I appreciate places like Shogun where the old play with the old. To be honest, I'm not attracted to old men myself. But like gays flocking to gay places, we old men flock to Shogun just to feel that we belong. Amongst us old men, I don't mind the dirty talks and sometimes the request to allow them to touch me naked. That's the closest to having sex since most of us can't get it up long enough to have proper penetration.

[InBangkok]

1 hour ago, Guest Old Timer said:

That's exactly what happened to that evil Macau gambling magnate Stanley Ho with his 16 children and 4 wives. Though he seem rich and glamorous in the newspapers social reporting but behind his back and in the gossipy forums, he was cursed and laughed at for his deserved family troubles because of his ill gotten fortunes. 

Most people cursed him that this would be his retribution in his dying years AND it happened exactly to script like some well used tv soap opera. It brought solace to many many families ruined by his evil gambling empire and there's karma after all.

If he had given away his money like Bill Gates then he would have redeemed himself but he clung onto them and only gave the token amount just to appear so in the papers.

 

An example of a posting based on headlines without the story underneath having been read! Stanley Ho was not "cursed and laughed at" because of his fortune. Most Hong Kong people admired those who made fortunes like Ho. True, he was extremely wealthy. His estimated worth two years ago was US$6.5 billion. But unlike other posts in this thread which are mostly about being surrounded by one family in our old age, Stanley Ho did not have just one. As Guest Old Timer points out, he had four, a result of an ancient Qing Dynasty law whereby concubines remained legal in Hong Kong (where Ho had his residence) till 1971.

 

Secondly, his fortune was not ill-gotten. Guest Old Timer clearly does not like gambling but gazillions of Hong Kong and mainland Chinese do. I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes shenanigans might have been, but the fact is that he had the legal and sole right to build and operate casinos in Macao for decades. However, his company covered a much wider portfolio of businesses including shipping, property and the hospitality industry. Evil empire?

 

When you have that amount of money, are in your late 90s and have 3 wives and 14 of your 16 children still alive, some of whom are extremely well educated and extremely rich in their own right, you have a problem. How to divide up your assets? He chose to give most to just two of the children, Pansy and Lawrence from his second wife, and his fourth wife Angela, each of whom was already very rich and already played parts in his business empire. Incidentally about 25 years ago I recall a long article in the South China Morning Post Sunday Magazine section about Pansy Ho, a daughter by his second marriage and a very successful businesswoman. Asked about her hobbies when she was in her teens, she unashamedly replied that she collected pink diamonds. In 2018 she was named as Hong Kong's richest woman.

 

In common with virtually all Hong Kong gazillionaires Ho gave away a lot of his developing fortune in philanthropy. Admittedly only peanuts compared to Bill Gates. But Ho came from a different generation and a vastly different heritage where charitable giving was done without too much publicity.

 

 

 

 

[TT2880]

Saw this and thought how relevant this quote is for this person who started this topic. 

 

"When thinking about life, remember this: 

No amount of guilt can solve the past, and 
no amount of anxiety can change the future."

[Guest Old Timer]

49 minutes ago, InBangkok said:

 

An example of a posting based on headlines without the story underneath having been read! Stanley Ho was not "cursed and laughed at" because of his fortune. Most Hong Kong people admired those who made fortunes like Ho. True, he was extremely wealthy. His estimated worth two years ago was US$6.5 billion. But unlike other posts in this thread which are mostly about being surrounded by one family in our old age, Stanley Ho did not have just one. As Guest Old Timer points out, he had four, a result of an ancient Qing Dynasty law whereby concubines remained legal in Hong Kong (where Ho had his residence) till 1971.

 

Secondly, his fortune was not ill-gotten. Guest Old Timer clearly does not like gambling but gazillions of Hong Kong and mainland Chinese do. I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes shenanigans might have been, but the fact is that he had the legal and sole right to build and operate casinos in Macao for decades. However, his company covered a much wider portfolio of businesses including shipping, property and the hospitality industry. Evil empire?

 

When you have that amount of money, are in your late 90s and have 3 wives and 14 of your 16 children still alive, some of whom are extremely well educated and extremely rich in their own right, you have a problem. How to divide up your assets? He chose to give most to just two of the children, Pansy and Lawrence from his second wife, and his fourth wife Angela, each of whom was already very rich and already played parts in his business empire. Incidentally about 25 years ago I recall a long article in the South China Morning Post Sunday Magazine section about Pansy Ho, a daughter by his second marriage and a very successful businesswoman. Asked about her hobbies when she was in her teens, she unashamedly replied that she collected pink diamonds. In 2018 she was named as Hong Kong's richest woman.

 

In common with virtually all Hong Kong gazillionaires Ho gave away a lot of his developing fortune in philanthropy. Admittedly only peanuts compared to Bill Gates. But Ho came from a different generation and a vastly different heritage where charitable giving was done without too much publicity.

That's what those money worshippers would always say about Stanley Ho. 笑貧不笑娼。 Being legal doesn't make it right when obviously it ruined many families. There's a whole blood sucking industry built upon his other shady side. You go Macau and act like you lose all your money and you'll get to see those stories in the forums for real.

 

If not for the internet and those open forums, you'll be misled to think that's glamorous. Those families who are ruined by gambling don't make headlines, they can only curse and tell their sad stories in the forums. You obviously only like to read about glamorous lives of the rich and famous and dismiss these families as losers. 

[Guest Guest]

27 minutes ago, Guest Old Timer said:

That's what those money worshipers would always say about Stanley Ho. 笑貧不笑娼。 Being legal doesn't make it right when obviously it ruined many families. There's a whole blood sucking industry built upon his other shady side. You go Macau and act like you lose all your money and you'll get to see those stories in the forums for real.

 

If not for the internet and those open forums, you'll be misled to think that's glamorous. Those families who are ruined by gambling don't make headlines, they can only curse and tell their sad stories in the forums. You obviously only like to read about glamorous lives of the rich and famous and dismiss these families as losers. 

I don't see how if one chooses to gamble and loses it all, one can put the blame on the casino or the casino owner and not himself. Shouldn't we all take ownership for our problems? We have a choice to or not to gamble.

 

And if others are successful, we applaud them if we can. Don't speak ill of them, it does ourselves no good. If they choose not to give it to charity, so be it... it is also their perogative. They do not answer to any of us; it is a choice they are free to exercise.

[yuquidam]

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Edited June 21, 2020 by yuquidam

[Guest Old Timer]

3 hours ago, yuquidam said:

I a gamblarr. A gamblarr alway a gamblarr lah. Till old age still a gamblarr wart. Karcino is a karcino werether owner Stanley Ho or Stanley Bo-hoh or Ivanhoh, I no care less lah. A karcino make me to gambel meh? Noh lah! Noh karcino I go horrse racing, play pokkar, play sar kee bai, play 5D, play ToTor, play marzong, bat soccer, online batting (aka online karcino), play sharres (Not invast. Invast BORIIIINNNG!) Etc etc etc

 

Soh far I losk my privite ang moh chu, owe mani mani fliends, lelartives and Ah Longsun planti marney until now hormeless (wife and 2 big suns chasse me out of hause), soh sliip in the bitchh parks, showar in bitchh parks jamban free, waiting food handout, still spand mai monly pubic assistence marney on 5D mostly. Why cannot ah?🤬😡

 

This not out topic ok! Bcos I old (coming 87yo liao) and pennisless. But I not got anxiety wart even soh old. Happy an free bcos I don blamme Tough Club for mai horrse racing, or ToTor or 5D. I also don blamme karcino or maiself. Soh wan to gambel don cry farther cry marther lah. For wart?

Erh, sorli ah, mai engrish and spareling not veri guud. CB veri cham, noh Tough Club to goh play horrse. (If noh undarstand, use goorgle translake ok?) *Piissh*✌️✌️✌️

[On behalf of Ah Beng Senior Gambler]

In the idealistic world, these Ah Beng Senior Gamblers say they don't blame others for their gambling, it's their own choosing. They die is their own business.

 

But in the real world, they'll beg, steal or borrow from their families until the whole family is dragged down by them. These old gamblers are already so hardened with their addiction, it's not possible to talk some sense into them anymore. They don't blame the casinos but like I said, Stanley Ho evil is more than just his casino, it's his legality that fooled people to think that it's okay to gamble big there. Then his spider web of evil empire that gets the gamblers in unseen ways.

 

The biggest problem is that these old gamblers don't even see the miseries that they caused to their families, they said they die is their own business but the truth is they don't go and die and leave the families in peace. They still come back again and again to beg, steal and borrow. 

 

That's why on the forums, it's the families who cursed Stanley Ho over and over again until he finally met his deserved karma. Everybody was so happy that heaven finally got eyes. 

 

Whether his casino did not force people to gamble is not the matter, it's that he knew this is evil profits, whoever want that evil profit must fear to pay the worst karma prices. Otherwise, nobody in this world will be afraid to do the most evil things. Karma must be seen to work to strike some fear into evil people, only then the ordinary people will respect karma and try not to do evil. This is already happening in China.

[yuquidam]

@Guest Old Timer 

I do know what you mean. So happened that there are some hardened gamblers in my extended family, and I do know some friends whose parent is addicted to gambling. The way gamblers neglect their family is heart wrenching. Like hooked on drugs, no amount of money could ever be sufficient to feed their addiction. They could lose an entire month of salary just over a weekend of high stakes mahjong during CB even though Singapore Pools was closed. Sadly, like you pointed out, unless and until they acknowledge their gambling addiction and seek help, nothing could help them. 

Edited June 21, 2020 by yuquidam

[yuquidam]

58 minutes ago, Guest Old Timer said:

........

The biggest problem is that these old gamblers don't even see the miseries that they caused to their families, they said they die is their own business but the truth is they don't go and die and leave the families in peace. They still come back again and again to beg, steal and borrow. ...

Yes, you're absolutely correct and that's what the message of this senior Ah Beng had illustrated. For my own extended family I couldn't blame anyone, not Turf Club, not Singapore Pools, not those who host the mahjong sessions, not the 2 casinos, but the gambler relatives themselves...hiaz

Edited June 21, 2020 by yuquidam

[InBangkok]

45 minutes ago, Guest Old Timer said:

That's why on the forums, it's the families who cursed Stanley Ho over and over again until he finally met his deserved karma. Everybody was so happy that heaven finally got eyes. 

 

I really do not understand your beef against those who own casinos. Why not complain about the governments, including Singapore, who permit them to operate. And if you complain about casinos creating addicts, that argument is only very marginally true. The vast majority of those who attend casinos do so for entertainment, a little excitement  and perhaps to win a little cash - even though they know they are more likely to lose it. The first rule of betting is that the casino always wins. In my first years in Hong Kong, some friends and I would often go over to Macao for dinner followed by about 30 minutes in one of Stanley Ho's casinos. It had to be one of his because he was at that time the only operator. Dinner and Portuguese wine was extremely good and extremely cheap. So we were happy to lose a little at a casino. Not one of us became addicted to gambling in any way.

 

If you are so against people like Stanley Ho, I assume you will vent your spleen at the tobacco companies (and I would agree with you there - but they are legal products!),  those who manufacture all forms of alcohol, the drug kingpins and goodness knows what else. A very small number of people become gambling addicts. That is a mental disease, the same as alcoholism is a disease. Everyone knows that an alcoholic can never touch an alcoholic drink. Why do you not expect gambling addicts to get help and maintain the same rule? Help is available almost everywhere. Besides, if you abolish all casinos all over the world, do you seriously believe a determined gambler will never find something else to bet on - even if it is just the three card con trick seen on many streets in many cities?

 

 

[Guest Old Timer]

7 minutes ago, InBangkok said:

 

I really do not understand your beef against those who own casinos. Why not complain about the governments, including Singapore, who permit them to operate. And if you complain about casinos creating addicts, that argument is only very marginally true. The vast majority of those who attend casinos do so for entertainment, a little excitement  and perhaps to win a little cash - even though they know they are more likely to lose it. The first rule of betting is that the casino always wins. In my first years in Hong Kong, some friends and I would often go over to Macao for dinner followed by about 30 minutes in one of Stanley Ho's casinos. It had to be one of his because he was at that time the only operator. Dinner and Portuguese wine was extremely good and extremely cheap. So we were happy to lose a little at a casino. Not one of us became addicted to gambling in any way.

 

If you are so against people like Stanley Ho, I assume you will vent your spleen at the tobacco companies (and I would agree with you there - but they are legal products!),  those who manufacture all forms of alcohol, the drug kingpins and goodness knows what else. A very small number of people become gambling addicts. That is a mental disease, the same as alcoholism is a disease. Everyone knows that an alcoholic can never touch an alcoholic drink. Why do you not expect gambling addicts to get help and maintain the same rule? Help is available almost everywhere. Besides, if you abolish all casinos all over the world, do you seriously believe a determined gambler will never find something else to bet on - even if it is just the three card con trick seen on many streets in many cities?

I already said we all know that running a casino is earning quick and evil profit. Whoever running it must pay the worst karma price for it. 

It's like prostitution, do we blame the prostitutes or the Johns? I rather blame the owners of these prostitution dens for exploiting quick evil profits. 

We can't stop gambling or prostitution, I know that. But let there be karmic justice in this world that if you want to profit from such evil gotten profits then you must "不得好死。"

The best that we can do is to control it in the best way we can. For drugs, death penalties. For prostitution, let it be controlled and legal so that the prostitution don't benefit the gangsters.

 

For gambling, at least let the government earn the revenue and not benefit these greedy individuals. That at least can pay for some social recovery programs for the families without other taxpayers bearing the burden.

 

When gambling benefits greedy individuals like Stanley Ho, he'll only get more greedy and try to get more profits through his shady spider web of evil empire. That only benefited him and only him for years before they opened the casino licensing. There's no social recovery programs in HK or Macau that these afflicted families can turn to. Stanley Ho could at least quietly give 10% of his profits to society and you can imagine how big and helpful these programs will be because of his vast and obscene profits. But no, he wanted even more by running those other evil side lines.

 

The obscene amount of wealth that he can accumulate only show the amount of evils he accumulated. If karma don't get him, then heaven got no eyes.

 

[yuquidam]

Thanks guys. Even our our late SM LKY (also founding PM) couldn't agree to casinos for fear of worsening addiction. However, the cabinet managed to win him over with some addiction management system in place.

 

Think we (including myself) have veered off topic. Time to get back to topic about anxiety of getting old? Lol

Edited June 21, 2020 by yuquidam

[InBangkok]

1 hour ago, Guest Old Timer said:

I already said we all know that running a casino is earning quick and evil profit. Whoever running it must pay the worst karma price for it. 

It's like prostitution, do we blame the prostitutes or the Johns? I rather blame the owners of these prostitution dens for exploiting quick evil profits. 

We can't stop gambling or prostitution, I know that. But let there be karmic justice in this world that if you want to profit from such evil gotten profits then you must "不得好死。"

The best that we can do is to control it in the best way we can. For drugs, death penalties. For prostitution, let it be controlled and legal so that the prostitution don't benefit the gangsters.

 

For gambling, at least let the government earn the revenue and not benefit these greedy individuals. That at least can pay for some social recovery programs for the families without other taxpayers bearing the burden.

 

When gambling benefits greedy individuals like Stanley Ho, he'll only get more greedy and try to get more profits through his shady spider web of evil empire. That only benefited him and only him for years before they opened the casino licensing. There's no social recovery programs in HK or Macau that these afflicted families can turn to. Stanley Ho could at least quietly give 10% of his profits to society and you can imagine how big and helpful these programs will be because of his vast and obscene profits. But no, he wanted even more by running those other evil side lines.

 

The obscene amount of wealth that he can accumulate only show the amount of evils he accumulated. If karma don't get him, then heaven got no eyes.

 

 

i really fail to understand your logic. You seem to suggest that casinos do not pay taxes. If you seriously believe that, I'm sorry to disappoint you. They pay a great deal of tax. The taxes on casinos in Macao are between 35% and 39% of gross revenues. This generates roughly 45% of the territory's annual GDP and is one reason for personal income tax being just 12%. Yet the casino tax in Singapore is less than half that n Macao. Surely your ire should be directed at the Singapore government?

 

And why are you so against Stanley Ho, a man who did in fact give away a lot of his wealth during his lifetime? Why not direct your anger at someone like Sheldon Adelson. It was Adelson after all who built the first foreign licensed casino in Macau and who has boasted to the world that the total cost was returned in less than 10 months. Adelson owns much of Las Vegas and other gaming cities in the USA and is worth around 5 times more than Stanley Ho ever was! Is it merely because Adelson is American and you don't care what others earn?

 

You also seem to have no problem with the manufacturers of alcohol or tobacco products. There are far more nicotine addicts and alcoholics than there are gambling addicts. These products also are licensed by governments and contribute a great deal of government revenues. What is the difference?

[Guest Waichan]

On 6/21/2020 at 10:43 AM, InBangkok said:

 

An example of a posting based on headlines without the story underneath having been read! Stanley Ho was not "cursed and laughed at" because of his fortune. Most Hong Kong people admired those who made fortunes like Ho. True, he was extremely wealthy. His estimated worth two years ago was US$6.5 billion. But unlike other posts in this thread which are mostly about being surrounded by one family in our old age, Stanley Ho did not have just one. As Guest Old Timer points out, he had four, a result of an ancient Qing Dynasty law whereby concubines remained legal in Hong Kong (where Ho had his residence) till 1971.

 

Secondly, his fortune was not ill-gotten. Guest Old Timer clearly does not like gambling but gazillions of Hong Kong and mainland Chinese do. I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes shenanigans might have been, but the fact is that he had the legal and sole right to build and operate casinos in Macao for decades. However, his company covered a much wider portfolio of businesses including shipping, property and the hospitality industry. Evil empire?

 

When you have that amount of money, are in your late 90s and have 3 wives and 14 of your 16 children still alive, some of whom are extremely well educated and extremely rich in their own right, you have a problem. How to divide up your assets? He chose to give most to just two of the children, Pansy and Lawrence from his second wife, and his fourth wife Angela, each of whom was already very rich and already played parts in his business empire. Incidentally about 25 years ago I recall a long article in the South China Morning Post Sunday Magazine section about Pansy Ho, a daughter by his second marriage and a very successful businesswoman. Asked about her hobbies when she was in her teens, she unashamedly replied that she collected pink diamonds. In 2018 she was named as Hong Kong's richest woman.

 

In common with virtually all Hong Kong gazillionaires Ho gave away a lot of his developing fortune in philanthropy. Admittedly only peanuts compared to Bill Gates. But Ho came from a different generation and a vastly different heritage where charitable giving was done without too much publicity.

 

 

 

 

 There are still lots of millionaire in Hong Komg obviously.

[Guest Afraid of Aging]

So jealous of people with full substantial hair and smooth neck.  No collar bone.  Eyes lifted in crescent shape, smooth facial skin well toned and fresh. No pimples, no saggy look. All teeth white and intact.  No wrinkles nor crow feet.  Eyes big and full of life.   

 

All Grandpas here cannot compare to those cute boys.

[Guest guest]

Anxiety is bad for body health and mental health. We must learn to reduce and handle anxiety.

[Steve5380]

On 8/1/2020 at 6:16 AM, Guest Afraid of Aging said:

So jealous of people with full substantial hair and smooth neck.  No collar bone.  Eyes lifted in crescent shape, smooth facial skin well toned and fresh. No pimples, no saggy look. All teeth white and intact.  No wrinkles nor crow feet.  Eyes big and full of life.   

 

All Grandpas here cannot compare to those cute boys.

 

What you describe is not exclusive of cute boys.

 

Grandpas we don't have substantial hair anymore but can have a smooth neck

No collar bone?  What you mean?  We all have two collar bones, one on each side.

Grandpas we can still have smooth facial skin somewhat toned and fresh.

Grandpas we don't need to have pimples, saggy look.

Keep good dental hygiene, including oil pulling, and you  will retain your teeth into grandpahood. White depends on what you eat and drink.

Grandpas can have wrinkles and crow feet eliminated or reduced with botox and fillers.

What is great with big eyes?  to look like an owl? 

If you want to have eyes full of life, what you need to do is look people in the eye.

[Guest Hazily Instructor]

I would probably die alone. My body would be discovered rotting in my apartment after a week. But let us see what would happen to @Steve5380 10 years from now. He is the oldest in this forum.

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest Hazily Instructor said:

I would probably die alone. My body would be discovered rotting in my apartment after a week. But let us see what would happen to @Steve5380 10 years from now. He is the oldest in this forum.

 

I will try to remember to report here how I die in 10 years or more.  

 

I may not die alone, but if I do,  to be discovered rotting in my house a week later is a FORTUNATE way.   It means that I was living competently until my heart suddenly stopped.  No lengthy illness, no stay in a hospital,  no suffering.   

[drektster]

nobody, even those with children wants to be a burden to them. especially so in singapore.

[upshot]

1 minute ago, drektster said:

nobody, even those with children wants to be a burden to them. especially so in singapore.

If everyone breaks thorough that old mentality thinking, we will all be in a better place as a society bro heh That kind of old practice or belief used to work and was the foundation for having a family. Times have change.

 

Most will not face that and worst, thinks it is too far off to worry... 'just work harder later, got time'. For now, I want to shop, enjoy life and have sex till I drop. Not saying its right or wrong. Its a choice man. Problem is when shit happens do they own up and take their punishment for not preparing or will they shout and demand someone must look after them. heh.

 

Everyone thinking of staying single be you LGBTQ person, str8, wanting to stay single or divorcing a spouse (who intend to keep the kids and distance them from you) or you have nasty kids sponging off you even if they earn a living just to have more to spend, you should be thinking about this circumstance very seriously and soon as you can.

 

I thought of this and worked towards that for over 20 yrs. It is too simplistic to think there is always a fairy godfather or make belief deity out there waiting to help you. Even if you are financially sound just adequate for example, you get cancer and that 'torpedo' every cent you have very likely. Wanting to go out as many nights to get fucked or look to fuck, we are in that higher risk group PLUS we are the one heading to the end most likely on our own. How's that for an imagery.

 

And there is the growing old gracefully to content with and the courage of dying. Each one of us WILL have to go thorough all of these life phases. Please do not have this notion, someone will always be there to help you and look after you. Even if you manage to gather a group of old gay guys living together supporting each other. You sure you picked the right ones? Like every gay guy is a "goodie two shoes". Look at the toxicity here in a small forum and that tells you plenty. I would say trying to solve as much of your own problem first before looking elsewhere. This is still a dog-eat-dog world unfortunately.

 

 

*feeing the troll* time....

 

 

[Guest Guest]

10 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I will try to remember to report here how I die in 10 years or more.  

 

I may not die alone, but if I do,  to be discovered rotting in my house a week later is a FORTUNATE way.   It means that I was living competently until my heart suddenly stopped.  No lengthy illness, no stay in a hospital,  no suffering.   

 

Your heart suddenly stop? Dream on. You might have a stroke and lay paralyzed in bed for days, until you wet your pants and shit in your own underwear and invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive, as karma for the way you treated @abang in his last few posts here. 

[tyan]

Actually even in the straight worlds, people used to say that having a kids to take care of u when one is old.
 

However, we can see obvious signs that children are not really accompanying of their parents enough. They are too occupied with their work, family etc. Those who are rich, thinks that by providing money for parents, it is enough. Those who are middle or poor, are struggling meet ends meet. 

 

I am not sure what will happen 10 - 20 years later. 

[Steve5380]

7 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Your heart suddenly stop? Dream on. You might have a stroke and lay paralyzed in bed for days, until you wet your pants and shit in your own underwear and invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive, as karma for the way you treated @abang in his last few posts here. 

 

You are at risk of stroke if your blood vessels to the head are nearly blocked.  This can be your risk, being overweight and eating plenty of unhealthy foods.  I have good cholesterol readings, a carotid ultrasound  some years ago indicated that I am at no risk of stroke.  I take supplements of vitamins K2-MK7 and D3, reducing chances of calcium deposits in blood vessels,  although this also protects my heart from valve failures. I also take CoQ10 for the heart and I have low blood pressure,  so my heart may not fail either.   

 

I don't know... what can I die from in 10 years??  Maybe I won't die at all.   Too bad for @abang's related karma... I think this one is only in your perverted head. 

[wilfgene]

48 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Your heart suddenly stop? Dream on. You might have a stroke and lay paralyzed in bed for days, until you wet your pants and shit in your own underwear and invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive, as karma for the way you treated @abang in his last few posts here. 

 

26 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You are at risk of stroke if your blood vessels to the head are nearly blocked.  This can be your risk, being overweight and eating plenty of unhealthy foods.  I have good cholesterol readings, a carotid ultrasound  some years ago indicated that I am at no risk of stroke.  I take supplements of vitamins K2-MK7 and D3, reducing chances of calcium deposits in blood vessels,  although this also protects my heart from valve failures. I also take CoQ10 for the heart and I have low blood pressure,  so my heart may not fail either.   

 

I don't know... what can I die from in 10 years??  Maybe I won't die at all.   Too bad for @abang's related karma... I think this one is only in your perverted head. 

Seem like an insinuation on the present condition of abang who has made a speech in an anniversary party.  Mods to verify?

[Steve5380]

1 minute ago, wilfgene said:

 

Seem like an insinuation on the present condition of abang who has made a speech in an anniversary party.  Mods to verify?

 

What do you know about abang?   There were rumors that he passed away, which we all regret.

[wilfgene]

1 minute ago, Steve5380 said:

 

What do you know about abang?   There were rumors that he passed away, which we all regret.

Ask mods to verify other once-active  members such as raiden alpha, clickclock, darkflame and etc.

[Steve5380]

1 minute ago, wilfgene said:

Ask mods to verify other once-active  members such as raiden alpha, clickclock, darkflame and etc.

 

You can ask mods yourself, since you brought this up.  But what is this "speech he made at an anniversary party" you mentioned?

[wilfgene]

13 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You can ask mods yourself, since you brought this up.  But what is this "speech he made at an anniversary party" you mentioned?

I don't even know how to mention and highlight a member.  Abang claimed to be even older than me.  Not considered way off topic.  Something along the line of not being ashamed of not being straight.

[Steve5380]

12 hours ago, wilfgene said:

I don't even know how to mention and highlight a member. 

 

To mention and highlight a member,  you type "@" and start typing the name of the member, and as soon as you type the first letter of his name a menu appears with member names converging to the name you are typing;  when you recognize the name of the member in the list, you click on it and this ends the process.  With this, the member is also notified that he was quoted. 

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Edited October 18, 2020 by Steve5380

[Guest Malaysia]

On 7/20/2019 at 6:39 PM, fab said:

 

Do u think u will still be so horny by then?

 

 

Don't have high hope in any political party, or rather, a monopolized govt. 

 

I rather support a at least tripartied Parliament.

Like in Malaysia? 3 political figures trying to vye for power? And alot of frogs jumping from 1 party to another. Just like someone mentioned in fb. Lets have 3 shifts for them. AM, PM and night shift for them. 3 PM. No need to fight.

[Why?]

Before you reached the stage of becoming "real old" to determine who will take care of you.  It is not difficult to foresee, if you can ask yourself the following questions"

 

1)  How many siblings do you have, are they close to you?

2) Do your nephew or niece still treat you as their uncle or care about your existence?

3)  How many "extremely closed" friends do you have. Can you count any within 5 fingers?

4)  Are your closed friend foreigners or local?

5)  Do you have financial means to stay in nursing home?

6)  Are you and your neighbour very close?

7)  Do you have drinking Kakis?

 

If all of the above is negative,  then yes, you will be very much at your own device. 

 

Best remedy, is to stay healthy, live frugally and minimally for as long as you still breath and forget about the above questions.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Why?

[upshot]

47 minutes ago, Why? said:

Before you reached the stage of becoming "real old" to determine who will take care of you.  It is not difficult to foresee, if you can ask yourself the following questions"

 

1)  How many siblings do you have, are they close to you?

2) Do your nephew or niece still treat you as their uncle or care about your existence?

3)  How many "extremely closed" friends do you have. Can you count any within 5 fingers?

4)  Are your closed friend foreigners or local?

5)  Do you have financial means to stay in nursing home?

6)  Are you and your neighbour very close?

7)  Do you have drinking Kakis?

 

If all of the above is negative,  then yes, you will be very much at your own device. 

 

Best remedy, is to stay healthy, live frugally and minimally for as long as you still breath and forget about the above questions.

 

 

 

I think within that scope... one thing that is important to note. How are their health history base on what they eat, workout habit if any, lifestyle and also 'drinking' buddies? heheh That one.. I would take you out of the equation heheheh..

 

Its no use people you 'intend' to shortlist to look after you, ends up YOU looking after them later in life. If at the end, all are old man too fragile thus who can help who look after them? Best laid plan will still have no 100% guaranteed. People change and when it is a matter of your life versus their own or immediate family, loyalty can change. Help yourself first is the best decision before you look to others. I feel anyway.

[TT2880]

Hello. 

 

It all begins with self-care. When there is self-care, all others will automatically fall in place. 

 

What is self-care? The ability to not only care for oneself but also extending the same care that one bestowed to himself to the others. 

 

Thank you. 

[Guest Karmacharmelion]

7 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Your heart suddenly stop? Dream on. You might have a stroke and lay paralyzed in bed for days, until you wet your pants and shit in your own underwear and invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive, as karma for the way you treated @abang in his last few posts here. 

I'm appalled at the state of callousness of gays in this forum!!!

First, abang's indirect calls for help was totally ignored. Did you even help, all you did was bitch at him when he was alive. Now you have the cheek to use karma to cover up your remorse. I know who you are.

 

Now, this post about karma takes it to extreme. Are you even human to wish this "invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive," upon another? What you wish upon others, let karma grant it to you instead.

 

There's nothing more callous than to see old or sick gays being discriminated and sidelined like rubbish.

 

Are we gays even human to allow all this callousness here to go on?

[Why?]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

What do you know about abang?   There were rumors that he passed away, which we all regret.

I doubt so.  He is still young in his late 50s, around Larry's age.  Though he did mention about underwent cetain ailment treatment, I think he has recovered, and regularly travel to JB (sometime with his niece/nephew) to buy cheap grocery there. He did cry foul about renting out one of his rooms in Potong Pasir, but due to fussy tenant and low yield, he quitted sourcing.  The last we heard about him wanting to work hard and involved less in BW forum.  It is not what you think he is  He may suddently appear again and give you a creep of your life and that will mean more "cat fight" and bitching again.

[Guest farannn]

abang's passing was also mentioned in Thailand forums where some amdk knew him  personally.

It's sad there's none here that he could count on as friends in old age and sickness.

 

[Why?]

54 minutes ago, Guest farannn said:

abang's passing was also mentioned in Thailand forums where some amdk knew him  personally.

It's sad there's none here that he could count on as friends in old age and sickness.

 

Did he suggest anything to be counted on here in his previous post?  He does mingle well with AMDK most of the time.  Anyway, I hope it is not true of what is mentioned in other forum.  Even if it does, it is so sad that anyone can suddently dissappear.  Nobody can guarantee gay life is easy, whether you are rich or poor, attached or single  Better start respecting every member here before they are being lifted to heaven to join the other passing gay and then allow God to embrace them with love that gay has never experienced before. 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Why?

[wilfgene]

41 minutes ago, Why? said:

Did he suggest anything to be counted on here in his previous post?  He does mingle well with AMDK most of the time.  Anyway, I hope it is not true of what is mentioned in other forum.  Even if it does, it is so sad that anyone can suddently dissappear.  Nobody can guarantee gay life is easy, whether you are rich or poor, attached or single  Better start respecting every member here before they are being lifted to heaven to join the other passing gay and then allow God to embrace them with love that gay has never experienced before. 

Pete Buttigieg is a member here and still in the candidate race?  The old thread read 'Being Gay and Christian'.  @Raidenalpha described it as gabring.  On the topic, I suggest start by forgetting retirement and support euthanasia.  

[Guest guest]

2 hours ago, Guest farannn said:

abang's passing was also mentioned in Thailand forums where some amdk knew him  personally.

It's sad there's none here that he could count on as friends in old age and sickness.

 

He last online was in 2018. So no one can confirmed if he is still alive?

[Guest pass on]

There was another guy who always frequent absolute and stay telok blangah.

 

He also suddenly disappeared from the forum. No one seems to be bothered or even noticed.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, wilfgene said:

Pete Buttigieg is a member here and still in the candidate race?  

 

 

Is this true?  I would feel honored to chat with Pete Buttigieg.  He is one of the smartest persons I know.   And if he is a member of BW,  this speaks very highly of BW!

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Edited October 18, 2020 by Steve5380

[Guest Guest]

Self care and self dependence is good, but when it comes to end of life stage, it is very difficult. When illnesses like cancer ravages your body and leaves you half alive.

 

Maybe we should have a network of sorts in our community, volunteers kind enough to help clean up before it reaches the ‘eaten alive by rats and roaches’ stage.

[Why?]

Is there a need for a proper passing ceremony?  Why the hassle of wasting money and not just burn and dump ash into the sea to be liberated from any religious ritual.  I know some people are "pantang",  but why do gay people care?

[Guest Guest]

 

22 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

What do you know about abang?   There were rumors that he passed away, which we all regret.

 

You regret his passing away, but you have no regrets for the way you treated him before he did? White trash are well known for this type of hypocrisy. 

 

 

16 hours ago, Guest Karmacharmelion said:

I'm appalled at the state of callousness of gays in this forum!!!

First, abang's indirect calls for help was totally ignored. Did you even help, all you did was bitch at him when he was alive. Now you have the cheek to use karma to cover up your remorse. I know who you are.

 

Now, this post about karma takes it to extreme. Are you even human to wish this "invite all those little rats and cockroaches to eat you alive," upon another? What you wish upon others, let karma grant it to you instead.

 

There's nothing more callous than to see old or sick gays being discriminated and sidelined like rubbish.

 

Are we gays even human to allow all this callousness here to go on?

 

Oooooo ... so what do you call @Steve5380's response of naming @abang to be "childish" and "immature" in the latter's last few calls for information and help? 

[Steve5380]

12 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

You regret his passing away, but you have no regrets for the way you treated him before he did? White trash are well known for this type of hypocrisy. 

 

Oooooo ... so what do you call @Steve5380's response of naming @abang to be "childish" and "immature" in the latter's last few calls for information and help? 

 

Your whole "abang" issue is utmost stupidity and abuse of the memory of a person.  I didn't mistreat him in any way, this is your invention.  And I must say that to do this just to try to bash me is quite miserable!   Have respect for those you involve yet cannot participate in the conversation.  

 

You calling me white trash is pure abomination, a sign that you are trash,  I don't know of which color and I don't care about.

[wilfgene]

9 hours ago, appboy said:

 

I set up a few interest-based tele groups before Covid to build genuine friendship but they die down after CB. Not sure what's the reason.

 

Many other groups that I've seen went to the dark side and become another porn sharing groups.

Haven't you come across news of old folks being manipulated, cheated of their savings and social benefits?  As well as chronically poisoned to death?  On top of monetary scandal of AFA?  Your discretion to exercise.

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Your whole "abang" issue is utmost stupidity and abuse of the memory of a person.  I didn't mistreat him in any way, this is your invention.  And I must say that to do this just to try to bash me is quite miserable!   Have respect for those you involve yet cannot participate in the conversation.  

 

You calling me white trash is pure abomination, a sign that you are trash,  I don't know of which color and I don't care about.

 

It really says something of your character when, even until today, you refuse to acknowledged that you mistreated @abang in his last few queries for assistance and help. 

[Steve5380]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

It really says something of your character when, even until today, you refuse to acknowledged that you mistreated @abang in his last few queries for assistance and help. 

 

It really says something of your character when, without having any connection with abang and any idea if he felt mistreated by me or not, you keep making stupid accusations over and over.  Why don't you leave abang and me in peace?

[Guest Karmacharmelion]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

...

Oooooo ... so what do you call @Steve5380's response of naming @abang to be "childish" and "immature" in the latter's last few calls for information and help? 

Wow, just for calling someone childish is such a sin to you

then wishing someone to be eaten alive, you should go 28 levels of hell to be eaten alive 28 lives.

 

You hit us old men exactly where we feared most, you are pure evil. I know who you are and you had been a troll since your days at sgboy.